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Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
December 13 2018 00:47 GMT
#8221
Say you are playing an 8 player Free For All on a 256x256 map. Which race would do the best and which the worst statistically?
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10045 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-13 01:15:43
December 13 2018 01:00 GMT
#8222
On December 13 2018 05:07 dwpunch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2018 03:36 ProMeTheus112 wrote:
On December 13 2018 00:44 dwpunch wrote:Also, I really want a good starting recommendation on the custom hotkey setup for P! Any guides or suggestions on that?

If you want you can just use default hotkeys they are fine.


Thanks!


You should probably consider re-binding your keys tho, it helps out a ton. You have to customize it to meet your needs tho, do you hotkey your nexus to 098? If so, do you like it (does it feel comfortable)? If you hotkey your nexus' to 456 you should probably have probes on E or S, it makes it way easier to produce workers.

These are things i highly recommend newer or returning players to think about. If you're gonna practice you might as well do it efficiently, it's important to start creating good habits early. Think about how you wanna position your gateways (simcity), how you wanna macro (f key or hotkey gates), where you want to rally your gates and how you wanna utilize your f keys (fkey on nexus' or gates or rally point?) etc.

Obviously this is only assuming you wanna practice to improve, not just play to have fun. If you wanna improve you have to practice with a purpose, set goals for yourself. We all have different postures and position our keyboards differently so you really have to come up with a layout that works for you.
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10333 Posts
December 13 2018 02:43 GMT
#8223
On December 13 2018 09:47 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Say you are playing an 8 player Free For All on a 256x256 map. Which race would do the best and which the worst statistically?

There's too much luck/diplomacy/bullshit in 8 player FFAs for there to be a concrete answer to this, but I'd wager that Protoss is well-off because of Mind Control being an important asset in long games like this.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
[AS]Rattus
Profile Joined March 2017
428 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-13 12:39:59
December 13 2018 12:37 GMT
#8224
speaking of FFAs... BW community need to change and start playing smth else than Hunters only.
i like that new FFA initiative from you guys but it was only americans right?
https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/539879-game-nhffa-password-lucky-server-us-west
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2042 Posts
December 13 2018 14:55 GMT
#8225
Protoss is imba in FFA, especially on 256x256 maps because of canons and HT and arbiter/carier. You can protect many expansions by making canons and keeping 1-2 HT there (kills any amount of drops / muta / wraith / scout etc.) and add cariers with statis to statis enemys army.. No talking about recall so you can move from one side of a map to another. :-)
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10333 Posts
December 13 2018 18:29 GMT
#8226
On December 13 2018 21:37 [AS]Rattus wrote:
speaking of FFAs... BW community need to change and start playing smth else than Hunters only.
i like that new FFA initiative from you guys but it was only americans right?
https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/539879-game-nhffa-password-lucky-server-us-west

1. This is not new, it's been around for a looong time.

2. It's almost entirely non-Americans (if you're referring t o the USA).
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6642 Posts
December 13 2018 20:02 GMT
#8227
On December 13 2018 09:47 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Say you are playing an 8 player Free For All on a 256x256 map. Which race would do the best and which the worst statistically?

I would echo the others and say Protoss, carriers, arbiter, mass cannon, HT, mind control etc. just makes it the best on these humongous maps.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2042 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-14 09:36:04
December 14 2018 09:24 GMT
#8228
Protoss just have an universal response to everything. Z or T has to commit to either strong anty ground/anty air and with a cost of mobility. (making a 200/200 mech makes it only good when you have few bases and never attack..)

Zerg is also quite ok for defending but terrible for attacking. Using hydra / defiler / nydyus you can quite easily protect most bases, but in long run P will always kill you.
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28804 Posts
December 23 2018 10:11 GMT
#8229
ya

256x256 ffa is basically protoss >>> zerg >>> terran. Terran is far too slow, and unable to do much with a fragmented army. Zerg has good fragmented armies (they can defend successfully for a while against almost anything with just some defiler lurker hydra, they can pull off damaging attacks with just small amounts of defiler lurker ling), but the big mobile armies are so fragile compared to what protoss can show up with. Protoss has the by far cheapest defense while also being fairly mobile and having a lot of splash damage in their more powerful compositions.

Zerg can do some good stuff with queens (be really diligent about parasiting, for one), sometimes they can get to crush 'typical ffa mass capital ship army' really well. But that again hinges on protoss not taking advantage of their full potential - the dark archon is the ultimate ffa spellcaster.
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Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-25 03:03:15
December 25 2018 02:59 GMT
#8230
Are there any guides on how to do TvP terran timing pushes? I read the liquipedia article and while I thought it was pretty helpful, I feel like it doesn't give enough intuition about when to siege and unsiege tanks.
Cryoc
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany912 Posts
December 25 2018 10:07 GMT
#8231
This is mostly a skill you develop with more experience I would say because it depends a lot on how much army each side has and where it currently is. I would say you usually siege up when you are just getting in range of your opponent's army with 1-2 tanks and then only unsiege your back tanks and crawl forward. But if there are only a couple of dragoons at your natural you should not really siege but a-move them until he groups up with his main force. Scanning the area ahead of you as you are moving is also helpful to know when the Protoss is about to engage, so you can siege as forward as possible.

I made a siege expand tutorial a while ago where I also did a timing push near the end of the video, but the explanation on how to push is pretty basic:
https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-strategy/446553-how-to-siege-expand-in-tvp#1
http://www.twitch.tv/cryoc
bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
December 25 2018 16:33 GMT
#8232
How to see enemy's stats in the ladder games? I play with some players who have barcode.
https://www.facebook.com/StarcraftRemasteredVN/
crbox
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1180 Posts
December 25 2018 18:50 GMT
#8233
On December 26 2018 01:33 bovienchien wrote:
How to see enemy's stats in the ladder games? I play with some players who have barcode.


I don’t think you can (not sure), as I believe there’s no functionality to click on your opponent’s profile affer playing with him/her
bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
December 26 2018 00:32 GMT
#8234
^ I mean I can type /s [nickname] to see wins and loses. I think I also can see that thing from barcode players but I don't know how to do it.
https://www.facebook.com/StarcraftRemasteredVN/
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
December 26 2018 11:59 GMT
#8235
So whats with the afreeca stream list in the sidebar, not working unless u visit the main page then search for the streamer. Everytime i use the teamliquid link it gives "stream has ended due to an error"
the url seems to be the same
https://play.afreecatv.com/dpfgc3/209869094 (doesnt work)
http://play.afreecatv.com/dpfgc3/209869094 (works, via visiting main page)
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2356 Posts
December 26 2018 23:12 GMT
#8236
i want to know why the replay section is so inactive. Last one is tt1 vs ggaemo and thats like a year old rep.
ἡ τῆς Νεμέσεως τάξις
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10333 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-26 23:16:53
December 26 2018 23:16 GMT
#8237
On December 27 2018 08:12 XenOsky wrote:
i want to know why the replay section is so inactive. Last one is tt1 vs ggaemo and thats like a year old rep.

If I may venture a guess, it is because of the advent of non-rep viewing functionality. Double and single FPV. HD VodS, etc. All push replays into the subculture further.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2356 Posts
December 27 2018 05:55 GMT
#8238
we need zimp t_t
ἡ τῆς Νεμέσεως τάξις
ajmbek
Profile Joined November 2008
Italy460 Posts
December 27 2018 12:26 GMT
#8239
On December 13 2018 09:47 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Say you are playing an 8 player Free For All on a 256x256 map. Which race would do the best and which the worst statistically?


If it is BGH or some other map with infinite resources then Protoss.

Otherwise Terran may be better then Protoss, but there is no much difference.
Sic iter ad astra
ajmbek
Profile Joined November 2008
Italy460 Posts
December 27 2018 12:28 GMT
#8240
On December 25 2018 11:59 Anc13nt wrote:
Are there any guides on how to do TvP terran timing pushes? I read the liquipedia article and while I thought it was pretty helpful, I feel like it doesn't give enough intuition about when to siege and unsiege tanks.


Look for Brat_OK games vs P during the Razer TSL.
Sic iter ad astra
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