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Jealous
10333 Posts
On December 10 2018 14:23 kidcrash wrote: I'm sure pros know better than I do but doesn't rush's factory placement at 19:04 cause "building exit blocked"? If those are flush against the top of the map then yes. If not, then no. | ||
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Sero
United States692 Posts
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Highgamer
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6642 Posts
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Jealous
10333 Posts
On December 10 2018 23:17 jello_biafra wrote: I was curious as to whether you get the money back for the unit if the building is blocked, I just tested it and it turns out you do. I always assumed you didn't. If your upgrading facility dies before the upgrade finishes, you get refunded that too, but you still see progamers sometimes cancel the upgrade just before the upgrade facility dies lol, mostly forward Forge in PvZ (or at least you used to). | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6642 Posts
On December 11 2018 02:03 Jealous wrote: If your upgrading facility dies before the upgrade finishes, you get refunded that too, but you still see progamers sometimes cancel the upgrade just before the upgrade facility dies lol, mostly forward Forge in PvZ (or at least you used to). That's true, you do see that, I guess the only logical reason to do so would be if you had your backup forge finished before your initial forge dies so you can cancel and start it in the second one straight away  | ||
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Jealous
10333 Posts
On December 11 2018 02:20 jello_biafra wrote: That's true, you do see that, I guess the only logical reason to do so would be if you had your backup forge finished before your initial forge dies so you can cancel and start it in the second one straight away I wish I could remember the specific instance but I remember a progamer jump to his Forge right before it dies to cancel it and he said/acted like he was relieved that he got there in time lol. Was a while ago though TT__TT | ||
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rand0MPrecisi0n
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badpenny
Canada54 Posts
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Jealous
10333 Posts
On December 11 2018 03:41 rand0MPrecisi0n wrote: You only get 75% back in the case of upgrades (+1) or researches (stim, storm etc) Embarrassing to me if true, gonna test later tonight. | ||
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y2kid
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rand0MPrecisi0n
313 Posts
Wait for a good P user to explain which situations those are. @Jealous I learned that a couple months ago too. It seems to be an obscure piece of info in the foreign community. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28804 Posts
There are mostly two cases where you might prioritize it over ground armor: in a protoss vs terran game where you are going carriers (shields can at some upgrade level mean your interceptors take one more goliath hit, which is a significant difference, and armor upgrades are pretty inconsequential against terran because their units deal so much damage), and a protoss vs zerg game where you're starting to be more archon heavy. (archons having 350 shields and only 10 health). It's definitely good to get shield upgrades in late game pvz - but usually, people who do will get two forges rather than one, and then they're hardly ever prioritizing shield over armor - they're getting both at the same time. I guess if you make your second forge early (I like doing this sometimes, but it's not very common), your upgrade pattern will be +1 attack from 1 forge, then your second forge finishes a little after +1 attack, you follow up with +2 attack and +1 armor, before you go +3 attack and +1 shield, and then +2 armor and +2 shield and +3 armor and +3 shield. I think that specific situation, where you choose +1 shield instead of +2 armor with your second forge, is the most frequently occurring example of choosing shield over armor. | ||
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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
when a P unit takes damage which hits its shield (has at least 1 shield point) and that same hit also damage hit points, then the shield armor bonus AND the regular armor bonus will apply. And this will keep happening midfight for each of your units anytime they regenerate a shield point, so every hu... 2 seconds or something. | ||
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dwpunch
10 Posts
I used to be a Zerg main but now I want to learn Protoss. Liquipedia seems to have good guides for beginners, any other sources of must read for newbies? Also, I really want a good starting recommendation on the custom hotkey setup for P! Any guides or suggestions on that? | ||
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molotow[eef]
Germany81 Posts
On December 12 2018 00:57 ProMeTheus112 wrote: there is a significant factor with shield upgrade for late game especially : when a P unit takes damage which hits its shield (has at least 1 shield point) and that same hit also damage hit points, then the shield armor bonus AND the regular armor bonus will apply. And this will keep happening midfight for each of your units anytime they regenerate a shield point, so every hu... 2 seconds or something. Are you sure on that? Was pretty sure that if it overlaps, only regular armor applies.. | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
On December 13 2018 02:53 molotow[eef] wrote: Are you sure on that? Was pretty sure that if it overlaps, only regular armor applies.. yes just checked it again now for example goons with +2armor +3 shield, if your goon has 14shield 100hp and gets hit by another goon for 20dmg (no upgrade), then he will lose all his shield but no hp, because that's a total of 6 armor (1natural armor + 2 armor + 3 shield armor). On next shield regen tick it will gain that shield armor bonus being added to normal armor against a hit again, and so on every ~2seconds. | ||
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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
On December 13 2018 00:44 dwpunch wrote:Also, I really want a good starting recommendation on the custom hotkey setup for P! Any guides or suggestions on that? If you want you can just use default hotkeys they are fine. | ||
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dwpunch
10 Posts
On December 13 2018 03:36 ProMeTheus112 wrote: If you want you can just use default hotkeys they are fine. Thanks! | ||
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