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traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
March 10 2013 05:01 GMT
#2421
Well usually you simcity your main to have extra mining time and then lift off barracks and simcity your natural right?
"Appreciate the things you have before they become the things you had."
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-10 05:50:48
March 10 2013 05:44 GMT
#2422
the extra mining time doesn't matter, it saves you like 8 or 16 minerals
you should pretty much always build your rax in your nat, the 9depot can go in either main or nat but usually you're better off placing that in the nat as well
edit: an alternate way to do it is to start walling off your main ramp instead of sim citying your nat, but it's a lot more annoying to play against early zealots
Bakuryu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany1065 Posts
March 10 2013 07:47 GMT
#2423
On March 10 2013 06:50 traceurling wrote:
What type of build do you prefer Bakuryu?


i always play 4 hatch hydra because thats the only zvp build i can play.
i'm too bad to decide which one is better.
traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
March 10 2013 08:47 GMT
#2424
On March 10 2013 16:47 Bakuryu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2013 06:50 traceurling wrote:
What type of build do you prefer Bakuryu?


i always play 4 hatch hydra because thats the only zvp build i can play.
i'm too bad to decide which one is better.

Liquipedia doesn't turn up anything D: if it's not too much trouble, could you write a short guide on it? Please? :D
"Appreciate the things you have before they become the things you had."
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
March 10 2013 10:11 GMT
#2425
Hehe yes a bakuryu guide would be awesome
traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
March 10 2013 10:59 GMT
#2426
Bakuryu (and thus anything Bakuryu related) is awesome :D
"Appreciate the things you have before they become the things you had."
Bakuryu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany1065 Posts
March 10 2013 12:30 GMT
#2427
i started my zvp in about 2008 where i took the 4 hatch hydra build from this guide: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=72062
i adjusted some things to make it better and more versatile vs some protoss builds, but the general idea is still the same as in every macro zvp.
ewffy
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation2 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-10 15:00:15
March 10 2013 14:52 GMT
#2428
TvZ or TvT science vessel question. If for example terran player A wants to kill a lot of drones/scvs of player B using a science vessel and he has like 2 vessels so the 1-st vessel applies defensive matrix and then irradiate to the 2-nd. So 2-nd vessel goes and just hanges around in the mineral line of B. Question: when B's drones/scvs get damaged does he get that computer announcement: Our forces are under attack?

Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-10 20:53:46
March 10 2013 18:12 GMT
#2429
On March 09 2013 23:25 Golgotha wrote:
any tweaks you would make to it so that it would be good for me and the ZvP of today? I always felt like liquipedia BOs were outdated. thank you kindly.

There are tons of replays in http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=310883 and http://www.teamliquid.net/replay/ you can get modern zvp builds from if you want to learn 3hat spire. (snail vs huro is a pretty nice one as example and you can PM me if you have questions.)
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Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
March 10 2013 22:59 GMT
#2430
thanks harem I will watch snail vs huro right now
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
March 11 2013 01:39 GMT
#2431
I understand the purpose behind the 3 hatch spire build and it's weaknesses and strengths. But the 4 hatch hydra build I do not know what it is used for. I feel like going hydra den first would leave me vulnerable to sairs too much... What is the trade off? Thanks!
traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
March 12 2013 02:53 GMT
#2432
Would ensnare be useful in ZvT? It slows down stimmed marines' movement and attack speed a lot and marines cluster up pretty well...
"Appreciate the things you have before they become the things you had."
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10313 Posts
March 12 2013 06:53 GMT
#2433
On March 12 2013 11:53 traceurling wrote:
Would ensnare be useful in ZvT? It slows down stimmed marines' movement and attack speed a lot and marines cluster up pretty well...

Jaedong completely destroyed Fantasy with it on Chupung Ryung. It is definitely viable.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Glueburn
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States496 Posts
March 12 2013 19:40 GMT
#2434
Is Random a viable decision for a casualish player?
Wanting to get decent at 1v1, but I enjoy all the races too much to pick one yet.
Sometimes you have to play a long time to be able to play like yourself. - Miles Davis
traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
March 12 2013 19:46 GMT
#2435
Casual Players can do whatever, just know a little bit about each matchup
"Appreciate the things you have before they become the things you had."
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10313 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-12 20:24:44
March 12 2013 20:23 GMT
#2436
On March 13 2013 04:40 CampinSam wrote:
Is Random a viable decision for a casualish player?
Wanting to get decent at 1v1, but I enjoy all the races too much to pick one yet.

The problem with playing random is that you will have to learn all 9 MUs, all 3 races' hotkeys, and all the intricacies that come with that. Therefore, progress should be a lot slower in terms of both skill and rank, because progress is spread over more areas. However, there is nothing barring you from getting decent at 1v1 by playing random, it will just take longer imo. The only drawback I can envision is that no one on ladder wants to play vR.

EDIT: What I found helps is playing R in 2v2 (no one really bans you for that), and then race-picking in 1v1.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
March 12 2013 21:40 GMT
#2437
How do you defend against a 9/9 gate without taking an enormous amount of damage in ZvP?
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10313 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-12 22:10:02
March 12 2013 22:09 GMT
#2438
On March 13 2013 06:40 ninazerg wrote:
How do you defend against a 9/9 gate without taking an enormous amount of damage in ZvP?

In-base or proxy? What is the build you started with?
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
March 13 2013 12:57 GMT
#2439
I assume 12 hatch vs they build gateways at their natural? What I would do is just build enough lings to hold them off and 1-3 sunkens...
"Appreciate the things you have before they become the things you had."
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5498 Posts
March 13 2013 16:12 GMT
#2440
How many often was the odd-eye esque symmetry used in KESPA maps?
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
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