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jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6642 Posts
March 05 2013 23:15 GMT
#2381
On March 06 2013 07:52 traceurling wrote:
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On March 06 2013 07:34 Dead9 wrote:
On March 06 2013 02:08 traceurling wrote:
Are there any 4 player maps that have a equal height main-natural set up, and has rotational symmetry?

colosseum is the only one i can think of
rotational symmetry is not that common in 4p maps because it leads to positional imbalances

I was asking for equal ground as in both main and natural are low/low or high/high ground...and lots of popular 4player maps are rotational; Fighting Spirit, Dante's Peak, La Mancha, Gemlong, Luna, Sniper Ridge, Jade etc.

Fortress?
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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
March 05 2013 23:26 GMT
#2382
er whoops for some reason i was thinking equal ground out of main lol
azlea, katrina maybe?

there are some positional imbalances on a lot of older rotational maps, i think newer maps don't really have any issues though
but on some of the older maps it's really noticable; like TvP on luna is way easier for T if you're counterclockwise from P since you can just slowpush through your 3rd and siege up their nat
Bakuryu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany1065 Posts
March 06 2013 04:46 GMT
#2383
On March 06 2013 02:28 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 11:37 Bakuryu wrote:
yep needs a replay.

does anybody remember a ZvP from the time around 2007 in a 3 player map, most likely (like 95%) longinus but could also be tau cross, zerg is spawning top left, protoss spawning at bottom. zerg goes for 4 or 5 pool, protoss does some 1 base build i think, the zerg only scouts the bottom natural with his ovi and proceeds to attack the other base with his lings.
when the zerg realizes that he attacked the wrong base, he sends the lings to the right base and u see a camera shot at the zerg player who is going like "this cant be true".
his lings couldnt do any damage, but the protoss never scouted in the beginning and didnt even know that the zerg went 4 or 5 pool, so he probably assumed it was some sort of 9 pool.
in the end, the zerg ended up winning. (it was at least an even game, but i do remember the zerg winning)
i searched through various players TLPD which came into my mind, but because of lack of vods, i dont think if i can ever find it again.

This sounds like a game that was on Neo Medusa, I'll start looking into it.

It is not this one here,
http://www.gomtv.net/classics3/vod/642
im looking for a different one
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
March 06 2013 22:20 GMT
#2384
On big game hunters 2v2 3v3 and 4v4 what is a standard opening for a zerg player? Something safe and not all in. Thanks!
Pucca
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Taiwan1280 Posts
March 06 2013 22:49 GMT
#2385
Is 2 rax FE viable in TvP? SO I've tried doing the seige exspand but honestly it seems I cannot pull it off no matter how much I practice it. I tried moving to a bunker expsand Rax ---> Bunker ---> CC but then I become overwhelmed by goons by the time I get my tank out. So maybe if I 2 rax FE no?
Master Chief
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
March 06 2013 22:54 GMT
#2386
overpool speed or 9pool speed most of the time, you can 2hat gas or even 3hat gas depending on spawns though. build your hatches inbase most of the time
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
March 06 2013 23:17 GMT
#2387
On March 07 2013 07:49 Pucca wrote:
Is 2 rax FE viable in TvP? SO I've tried doing the seige exspand but honestly it seems I cannot pull it off no matter how much I practice it. I tried moving to a bunker expsand Rax ---> Bunker ---> CC but then I become overwhelmed by goons by the time I get my tank out. So maybe if I 2 rax FE no?


No.
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JJSawry
Profile Joined March 2013
4 Posts
March 06 2013 23:28 GMT
#2388
Siege Expand works, but the timing is tight, and you must micro the tanks, as you won't have siege when his goons arrive.
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
March 06 2013 23:40 GMT
#2389
how is your siege expand going wrong?
are you getting broken before your tank is out? are you losing tanks or something?
siege expand is way easier to pull off than 1rax fe
Pucca
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Taiwan1280 Posts
March 07 2013 00:38 GMT
#2390
What is Saron Zerg style or "Saren Lurker"? TSL1 Chill uses to describe a build zerg is going for he said it in this VOD

Master Chief
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
March 07 2013 02:10 GMT
#2391
Sauron Zerg is when you have a whole bunch of bases and you just rally units into the other guy's base and nonstop pour units at him. I think it was a JulyZerg game which first coined the term? I forget.
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traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
March 07 2013 02:12 GMT
#2392
On March 07 2013 09:38 Pucca wrote:
What is Saron Zerg style or "Saren Lurker"? TSL1 Chill uses to describe a build zerg is going for he said it in this VOD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSXKgk3Gzwk&list=PLHnkhby108CWYF4qfjtVoa_cN65sAenRe


For future reference, it's easier to look up on liquipedia when all you're asking is "what is this strat"
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Sauron_(strategy)
Basically macro up and drone hard early game with only enough units to hold off attacks, then when you have a muscly economy get triple upgrades and spam hydra lurker ling -> spam ultra long defiler and a move shit and just overwhelm the Protoss forces
"Appreciate the things you have before they become the things you had."
Capresis
Profile Joined September 2008
United States518 Posts
March 07 2013 05:47 GMT
#2393
On March 07 2013 07:49 Pucca wrote:
Is 2 rax FE viable in TvP? SO I've tried doing the seige exspand but honestly it seems I cannot pull it off no matter how much I practice it. I tried moving to a bunker expsand Rax ---> Bunker ---> CC but then I become overwhelmed by goons by the time I get my tank out. So maybe if I 2 rax FE no?

Send us some replays please. We'll help you make siege expand work.
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5504 Posts
March 07 2013 06:41 GMT
#2394
On March 07 2013 07:49 Pucca wrote:
Is 2 rax FE viable in TvP? SO I've tried doing the seige exspand but honestly it seems I cannot pull it off no matter how much I practice it. I tried moving to a bunker expsand Rax ---> Bunker ---> CC but then I become overwhelmed by goons by the time I get my tank out. So maybe if I 2 rax FE no?


Amm go watch an Idra TSL game and copy paste what he is doing. Now I say IdrA because thats almost the only thing he ever did.

2 rax FE not really, but + Show Spoiler +
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
March 07 2013 08:03 GMT
#2395
I was wondering if anyone has an unprotected copy of Luna the Final that I can play around with?
"Appreciate the things you have before they become the things you had."
Capresis
Profile Joined September 2008
United States518 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 09:23:57
March 07 2013 09:18 GMT
#2396
On March 07 2013 17:03 traceurling wrote:
I was wondering if anyone has an unprotected copy of Luna the Final that I can play around with?

I do not have an unprotected Luna, but if you are willing to download some things you can unprotect it and most other maps yourself.

I downloaded three unprotectors and only could get this one to work: Unprotector 2. I tried it on an older iCCup map, I am assuming it will work on all of them.

Then to open it I had to use Scmdraft2. Supposedly Scmdraft2 has an unprotector built in but I couldn't figure it out. Maybe my antivirus ate some essential files and you can get it to work, idk.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
March 07 2013 12:07 GMT
#2397
D- Zerg here playing on Fish. I just had a ZvP on Fighting Spirit which I felt like I had but lost. Should have defended my bases better because I was 3 base to his 2. But damn. I really fucked up my engagements and lost many lurkers. The BO I followed was just the overpool opening. After that I pretty much just wing it and try to do what I've seen the TLS Zergs do in the VODs. Just playing by feel I guess and I know my mechanics, build order, and micro need work. But if there is something that I could have done to really seal that game, I would love to know.

What I would really like to know is what I should have done in the situation I was in. I played defensively and waited for hiim to attack, but I still got rolled. Was it right to try and get ultras or should I have gone defilers? How could I have done better with my defenses so that I won? Was my opponent a good player or terribad? Damn if he was terribad, lol what does that make me...

All criticism is good! Please help! Here is the replay.

http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=53029
Bakuryu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany1065 Posts
March 07 2013 14:03 GMT
#2398
On March 07 2013 21:07 Golgotha wrote:
D- Zerg here playing on Fish. I just had a ZvP on Fighting Spirit which I felt like I had but lost. Should have defended my bases better because I was 3 base to his 2. But damn. I really fucked up my engagements and lost many lurkers. The BO I followed was just the overpool opening. After that I pretty much just wing it and try to do what I've seen the TLS Zergs do in the VODs. Just playing by feel I guess and I know my mechanics, build order, and micro need work. But if there is something that I could have done to really seal that game, I would love to know.

What I would really like to know is what I should have done in the situation I was in. I played defensively and waited for hiim to attack, but I still got rolled. Was it right to try and get ultras or should I have gone defilers? How could I have done better with my defenses so that I won? Was my opponent a good player or terribad? Damn if he was terribad, lol what does that make me...

All criticism is good! Please help! Here is the replay.

http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=53029


protoss was about max C-/C probably.
overpool is not really a build, just an opening (in zvt/zvp)
never just wing a build in zvp, because there are just so many things u can do wrong.
if ur playing a macro oriented build, u should first focus on macro and then microing in the macro-free time.
u played mass lair style with a sub-par economic build, apart from changing your build or randomly all inning u had nearly no chance to win.
please get a zvp build, it will save about 3 years time.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
March 07 2013 22:50 GMT
#2399
thank you mr. bakuryu. I will find a build order and practice it non-stop (hard to find one). thank you for the advice!
pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2503 Posts
March 08 2013 05:02 GMT
#2400
Can anyone link me to that Teamliquid staff GIF of Sea??
"Awaken my Child, and embrace the Glory that is your Birthright"
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