I was asking for equal ground as in both main and natural are low/low or high/high ground...and lots of popular 4player maps are rotational; Fighting Spirit, Dante's Peak, La Mancha, Gemlong, Luna, Sniper Ridge, Jade etc.

Fortress?

Dead9

United States4725 Posts

March 05 2013 23:26 GMT

#2382

er whoops for some reason i was thinking equal ground out of main lol
azlea, katrina maybe?

there are some positional imbalances on a lot of older rotational maps, i think newer maps don't really have any issues though
but on some of the older maps it's really noticable; like TvP on luna is way easier for T if you're counterclockwise from P since you can just slowpush through your 3rd and siege up their nat

Bakuryu

Germany1065 Posts

March 06 2013 04:46 GMT

#2383

On March 06 2013 02:28 BisuDagger wrote:

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This sounds like a game that was on Neo Medusa, I'll start looking into it.

It is not this one here,
http://www.gomtv.net/classics3/vod/642
im looking for a different one

Golgotha

Korea (South)8418 Posts

March 06 2013 22:20 GMT

#2384

On big game hunters 2v2 3v3 and 4v4 what is a standard opening for a zerg player? Something safe and not all in. Thanks!

Pucca

Taiwan1280 Posts

March 06 2013 22:49 GMT

#2385

Is 2 rax FE viable in TvP? SO I've tried doing the seige exspand but honestly it seems I cannot pull it off no matter how much I practice it. I tried moving to a bunker expsand Rax ---> Bunker ---> CC but then I become overwhelmed by goons by the time I get my tank out. So maybe if I 2 rax FE no?

Dead9

United States4725 Posts

March 06 2013 22:54 GMT

#2386

overpool speed or 9pool speed most of the time, you can 2hat gas or even 3hat gas depending on spawns though. build your hatches inbase most of the time

Zergneedsfood

United States10671 Posts

March 06 2013 23:17 GMT

#2387

On March 07 2013 07:49 Pucca wrote:
Is 2 rax FE viable in TvP? SO I've tried doing the seige exspand but honestly it seems I cannot pull it off no matter how much I practice it. I tried moving to a bunker expsand Rax ---> Bunker ---> CC but then I become overwhelmed by goons by the time I get my tank out. So maybe if I 2 rax FE no?

No.

JJSawry

4 Posts

March 06 2013 23:28 GMT

#2388

Siege Expand works, but the timing is tight, and you must micro the tanks, as you won't have siege when his goons arrive.

Dead9

United States4725 Posts

March 06 2013 23:40 GMT

#2389

how is your siege expand going wrong?
are you getting broken before your tank is out? are you losing tanks or something?
siege expand is way easier to pull off than 1rax fe

Pucca

Taiwan1280 Posts

March 07 2013 00:38 GMT

#2390

What is Saron Zerg style or "Saren Lurker"? TSL1 Chill uses to describe a build zerg is going for he said it in this VOD

Birdie

New Zealand4438 Posts

March 07 2013 02:10 GMT

#2391

Sauron Zerg is when you have a whole bunch of bases and you just rally units into the other guy's base and nonstop pour units at him. I think it was a JulyZerg game which first coined the term? I forget.

traceurling

United States1240 Posts

March 07 2013 02:12 GMT

#2392

On March 07 2013 09:38 Pucca wrote:
What is Saron Zerg style or "Saren Lurker"? TSL1 Chill uses to describe a build zerg is going for he said it in this VOD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSXKgk3Gzwk&list=PLHnkhby108CWYF4qfjtVoa_cN65sAenRe

For future reference, it's easier to look up on liquipedia when all you're asking is "what is this strat"
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Sauron_(strategy)
Basically macro up and drone hard early game with only enough units to hold off attacks, then when you have a muscly economy get triple upgrades and spam hydra lurker ling -> spam ultra long defiler and a move shit and just overwhelm the Protoss forces

Capresis

United States518 Posts

March 07 2013 05:47 GMT

#2393

Send us some replays please. We'll help you make siege expand work.

thezanursic

5500 Posts

March 07 2013 06:41 GMT

#2394

Amm go watch an Idra TSL game and copy paste what he is doing. Now I say IdrA because thats almost the only thing he ever did.

2 rax FE not really, but + Show Spoiler +

traceurling

United States1240 Posts

March 07 2013 08:03 GMT

#2395

I was wondering if anyone has an unprotected copy of Luna the Final that I can play around with?

Capresis

United States518 Posts

March 07 2013 09:18 GMT

#2396

On March 07 2013 17:03 traceurling wrote:
I was wondering if anyone has an unprotected copy of Luna the Final that I can play around with?

I do not have an unprotected Luna, but if you are willing to download some things you can unprotect it and most other maps yourself.

I downloaded three unprotectors and only could get this one to work: Unprotector 2. I tried it on an older iCCup map, I am assuming it will work on all of them.

Then to open it I had to use Scmdraft2. Supposedly Scmdraft2 has an unprotector built in but I couldn't figure it out. Maybe my antivirus ate some essential files and you can get it to work, idk.

Golgotha

Korea (South)8418 Posts

March 07 2013 12:07 GMT

#2397

D- Zerg here playing on Fish. I just had a ZvP on Fighting Spirit which I felt like I had but lost. Should have defended my bases better because I was 3 base to his 2. But damn. I really fucked up my engagements and lost many lurkers. The BO I followed was just the overpool opening. After that I pretty much just wing it and try to do what I've seen the TLS Zergs do in the VODs. Just playing by feel I guess and I know my mechanics, build order, and micro need work. But if there is something that I could have done to really seal that game, I would love to know.

What I would really like to know is what I should have done in the situation I was in. I played defensively and waited for hiim to attack, but I still got rolled. Was it right to try and get ultras or should I have gone defilers? How could I have done better with my defenses so that I won? Was my opponent a good player or terribad? Damn if he was terribad, lol what does that make me...

All criticism is good! Please help! Here is the replay.

http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=53029

Bakuryu

Germany1065 Posts

March 07 2013 14:03 GMT

#2398

On March 07 2013 21:07 Golgotha wrote:
D- Zerg here playing on Fish. I just had a ZvP on Fighting Spirit which I felt like I had but lost. Should have defended my bases better because I was 3 base to his 2. But damn. I really fucked up my engagements and lost many lurkers. The BO I followed was just the overpool opening. After that I pretty much just wing it and try to do what I've seen the TLS Zergs do in the VODs. Just playing by feel I guess and I know my mechanics, build order, and micro need work. But if there is something that I could have done to really seal that game, I would love to know.

What I would really like to know is what I should have done in the situation I was in. I played defensively and waited for hiim to attack, but I still got rolled. Was it right to try and get ultras or should I have gone defilers? How could I have done better with my defenses so that I won? Was my opponent a good player or terribad? Damn if he was terribad, lol what does that make me...

All criticism is good! Please help! Here is the replay.

http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=53029

protoss was about max C-/C probably.
overpool is not really a build, just an opening (in zvt/zvp)
never just wing a build in zvp, because there are just so many things u can do wrong.
if ur playing a macro oriented build, u should first focus on macro and then microing in the macro-free time.
u played mass lair style with a sub-par economic build, apart from changing your build or randomly all inning u had nearly no chance to win.
please get a zvp build, it will save about 3 years time.

Golgotha

Korea (South)8418 Posts

March 07 2013 22:50 GMT

#2399

thank you mr. bakuryu. I will find a build order and practice it non-stop (hard to find one). thank you for the advice!

pebble444

Italy2503 Posts

March 08 2013 05:02 GMT

#2400

Can anyone link me to that Teamliquid staff GIF of Sea??