• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:21
CEST 22:21
KST 05:21
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies18Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview2herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026)5Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview5[ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course12
Community News
Weekly Cups (May 11-17): Classic wins double0Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results2Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win1Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !18Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0
StarCraft 2
General
herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview Weekly Cups (May 11-17): Classic wins double Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists
Tourneys
Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 527 Hell Train The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 526 Rubber and Glue Mutation # 525 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
25 Years Since Brood War Patch 1.08 (Spoiler) ASL21 Winner's Interview vespene.gg — BW replays in browser [ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies UA StarCraft: Mawin (T) vs hanniGan (P) Showmatch
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV ZeroSpace Megathread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software)
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Esports Organizations: Raisi…
TrAiDoS
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1444 users

Dark Swarm - too strong in zvt? - Page 7

Forum Index > Brood War Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 5 6 7 8 9 10 Next All
A3iL3r0n
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States2196 Posts
November 30 2004 09:55 GMT
#121
On November 30 2004 06:38 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2004 06:06 poor newb wrote:
sci vessals > zerg
just mass sci vessals and irradiate everything, get some mm to protect aginst scourage


you obviously don't get it. if you keep your marines and vessels together he can dark swarm and kill the marines before you irradiatet "everything" + he can scourge your vessels at the same time. If you try to fly over to his defilers to irradiate them you cannot protect them with m&m.

I just played This game which demonstrates the power of dark swarm pretty well
http://www.wgtour.com/match.php?action=dl&datab=broodwar&id=486060&url=upload/ladder/broodwar/5941in9.rep


As I watching the rep I thought shit, Infinity is getting raped, but then I realized that the Terran could never leave his base with his main army because if the Zerg ever got the Terran ramp it would be gg. I still don't think swarm is over powered though, because its a game-ender for the Zerg and you should lose if Zerg has that many units + swarm. For the rep, interesting build, it looked a bit rough in that rep, but I think it would be an interesting strat to have in a repetoire to play once in a while.
My psychiatrist says I have deep-seated Ragneuroses :(
_GniL_
Profile Joined August 2004
Canada66 Posts
November 30 2004 10:01 GMT
#122
On November 30 2004 18:47 LastWish wrote:
I get sick and tired of these terran cryings -
How come T>Z with all these imba swarms around lol. Actually if there were no swarms, i doubt zerg would have any chance to beat 200/200 Terran Army. If u want to make swarm 125 why not but don't forget to make iradiate 100 too.


Exactly Zerg has no chance of beating a 200/200 terran army.And with all the bullshit Terran can do like just bunker up you need dark swarm.I don't hear people bitching when Oov is sitting just massing and rolling out when Zerg can't do shit.
SnoopySnacks
Profile Joined May 2003
Tarsonis903 Posts
November 30 2004 10:07 GMT
#123
oOv style isnt jsut about "massing and rolling out" dickwad.
Holy shit I'm good. Why u easy?
_GniL_
Profile Joined August 2004
Canada66 Posts
November 30 2004 10:10 GMT
#124
Oov overpowers you with superior Macro which is extremely difficult to keep up with from the Zerg view.You've seen so many pros just get wasted TvZ by Oov that it's not even funny.So i know it's more then 1 thing asswipe
SnoopySnacks
Profile Joined May 2003
Tarsonis903 Posts
November 30 2004 10:26 GMT
#125
well these pro zergs simply arnt as good.
Holy shit I'm good. Why u easy?
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
November 30 2004 10:28 GMT
#126
On November 30 2004 19:26 tlstmddn wrote:
well these pro zergs simply arnt as good.


Zerg has been the most used race in korea since starcraft was introduced over there, what are the fucking odds that the best players just happen to be terran?
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
SnoopySnacks
Profile Joined May 2003
Tarsonis903 Posts
November 30 2004 10:31 GMT
#127
just because its the most used race doesnt mean they will be automatically better.
Holy shit I'm good. Why u easy?
A3iL3r0n
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States2196 Posts
November 30 2004 10:35 GMT
#128
On November 30 2004 19:31 tlstmddn wrote:
just because its the most used race doesnt mean they will be automatically better.


Hmm, statistically if more players used Zerg the higher the possibility of having talented Zerg players. This is why large schools usually dominate smaller schools in sports, they have a larger talent pool.
My psychiatrist says I have deep-seated Ragneuroses :(
SnoopySnacks
Profile Joined May 2003
Tarsonis903 Posts
November 30 2004 10:49 GMT
#129
who knows? maby they are not as commited or dont practice as much? Anyway where is the proof that says there are more zergs than terrans?
Holy shit I'm good. Why u easy?
mightypenny_ph
Profile Joined September 2004
Philippines259 Posts
November 30 2004 11:00 GMT
#130
swarm is zerg's best weapon!!!!
SlayerS_`BoxeR` + [ReD]NaDa
ProudCappi
Profile Joined October 2004
United States366 Posts
November 30 2004 11:02 GMT
#131
Hmm... a TvT final and *WAAHH* the game is imbalanced.

I wonder if these crying zergs would be crying if it had been a ZvZ final.

-proud capitalist- |freedom|property|individualism|self-reliance|
Luhh
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2974 Posts
November 30 2004 11:02 GMT
#132
Darkswarm SHOULD be strong since it's often the only way to kill off a terran who has a large force, with a large one of your own. Perhaps it shouldn't remain for as long as it does now, but I don't think it's that big of an issue. You remember that they reduced the time disruption web was active right? Perhaps a similar scenario...
I wouldn´t call him stupid, but let´s just say he´s unlucky when thinking...
z3rgy
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (South)100 Posts
November 30 2004 11:18 GMT
#133
lots of zerg palyers are doing good these days pro zergs dont sux look at chojja O_O
hi
jangnan
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)1 Post
November 30 2004 11:19 GMT
#134
you people sadden me.......
if you can't play late game in zvt, that means that you are just not good enough.
you can do many things.
drop harass, guardian( also harass), ultra, hydra lurker ssam ssa muk gi, etc.
stop crying about it it is fair.
Pob
Profile Joined February 2004
880 Posts
November 30 2004 11:58 GMT
#135
agree with the guy who said if you are gonna make swarm more expensive at least make irridate more expensive , ridiculous spell
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32278 Posts
November 30 2004 12:16 GMT
#136
On November 30 2004 19:35 A3iL3r0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2004 19:31 tlstmddn wrote:
just because its the most used race doesnt mean they will be automatically better.


Hmm, statistically if more players used Zerg the higher the possibility of having talented Zerg players. This is why large schools usually dominate smaller schools in sports, they have a larger talent pool.


The china should be #1 in Football World Cup

Ohhh wait, they are not.

(no bad cooments on china intended)
Moderator<:3-/-<
ahk-gosu
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (South)2099 Posts
November 30 2004 12:24 GMT
#137
On November 30 2004 13:53 poor newb wrote:
learn how to move units




just move your units out of it..........
its not that hard.
just try to keep your units at the zergs entrance.
if someone can push a terran into his own base and he is losing to dark swarms, he is most likely going to lose the game.
imo terran is the hardest to push back and to break into.
Micro.Macro.Scouting.Harassment.
oPtioNaLk
Profile Joined September 2004
Korea (South)564 Posts
November 30 2004 12:53 GMT
#138
On November 30 2004 21:16 IntoTheWow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2004 19:35 A3iL3r0n wrote:
On November 30 2004 19:31 tlstmddn wrote:
just because its the most used race doesnt mean they will be automatically better.


Hmm, statistically if more players used Zerg the higher the possibility of having talented Zerg players. This is why large schools usually dominate smaller schools in sports, they have a larger talent pool.


The china should be #1 in Football World Cup

Ohhh wait, they are not.

(no bad cooments on china intended)


That's not the same as the talent pool discussion because China may have a big talent pool but their culture does not support or nurture football as much as America does. Please think before you make false analogies.
_GniL_
Profile Joined August 2004
Canada66 Posts
December 01 2004 03:34 GMT
#139
ZvT late game if you have enough of a economy then you should win and if u contained the Terran long enough.TvZ you need to win mid game when zerg is usually at their weakest once Zerg has
Ultra/Ling/Defiler or another combo then it's really hard for the Terran to win.TvZ/ZvT is definately the hardest matchup and takes the most skill out of all the possible matchups there are in SC.
And it's qualitity player not quantity.
SnoopySnacks
Profile Joined May 2003
Tarsonis903 Posts
December 01 2004 03:47 GMT
#140
ZvT is not about containing the terran they can break out easilly with tanks. TvZ is all about winning the battles you fight, if you lose one badly the chances are you will lose the game.

Btw do they teach english in canada?
Holy shit I'm good. Why u easy?
Prev 1 5 6 7 8 9 10 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Patches Events
19:30
Patches' Patch Clash #7
RotterdaM245
Liquipedia
BSL
19:00
RO8 - Day 4
DragOn vs Dewalt
TerrOr vs OyAji
ZZZero.O319
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 245
JuggernautJason134
ProTech94
BRAT_OK 89
EmSc Tv 22
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 32393
Mini 351
ZZZero.O 319
ggaemo 168
firebathero 119
Zeus 53
Dewaltoss 48
910 28
NaDa 12
Dota 2
Gorgc10276
League of Legends
JimRising 231
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu387
Other Games
FrodaN4610
Grubby3214
Liquid`RaSZi2079
singsing1820
B2W.Neo743
mouzStarbuck350
KnowMe320
summit1g283
QueenE70
shahzam1
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1073
BasetradeTV42
StarCraft 2
angryscii 33
EmSc Tv 22
EmSc2Tv 22
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 25
• Reevou 7
• Response 1
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 4
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1185
• lizZardDota244
Other Games
• imaqtpie1081
• WagamamaTV324
• Shiphtur271
• tFFMrPink 16
Upcoming Events
OSC
3h 40m
Universe Titan Cup
14h 40m
Rogue vs Percival
Wardi Open
15h 40m
Monday Night Weeklies
19h 40m
Replay Cast
1d 3h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 14h
GSL
2 days
herO vs Classic
Cure vs Clem
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
GSL
3 days
Maru vs SHIN
Zoun vs Rogue
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Spring Champion…
3 days
SKillous vs Strange
Lambo vs Strange
Ryung vs Strange
Lambo vs Ryung
Ryung vs SKillous
Lambo vs SKillous
Replay Cast
4 days
Maestros of the Game
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
TBD vs SHIN
TBD vs Rogue
IPSL
5 days
ZZZero vs WorsT
Julia vs eOnzErG
Replay Cast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
IPSL
6 days
Dragon vs Artosis
dxtr13 vs Hawk
BSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W8
2026 GSL S1
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

2026 KK StarCraft Pro League
BSL Season 22
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
YSL S3
Acropolis #4
SCTL 2026 Spring
WardiTV Spring 2026
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals

Upcoming

CSCL: Masked Kings S4
Escore Tournament S2: King of Kings
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
Bounty Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.