Killing the defilers with irradiate with the back up of tanks is alright. Besides, you shouldn't be at a point where you let them cast an offensive swarm in your base. Unless you get ultimately surprised by some kind of drop.

LastWish

2015 Posts

December 02 2004 01:28 GMT

#166

On December 01 2004 19:55 eternalbliss wrote:
Fuck Dark Swarm, so cheap, t.t.

Fuck Terrans, so stupid, t.t.

Peace

cSf.Vicek

Czech Republic271 Posts

December 02 2004 04:56 GMT

#167

it is too strong, only way is to do not zerg let build any defiler

kP_cHoBo

United States439 Posts

December 02 2004 05:58 GMT

#168

On November 29 2004 16:39 Day[9] wrote:
Games i recommend watching to see terrans countering swarm really well -->
July vs ArtOfTerran on Requiem

On November 29 2004 12:14 Legionnaire wrote:
Firebats and medics/irradiate, you should watch Artofterran vs Julyzerg on requiem (pro league match) you will see what i mean. Its a bloody awesome game.

Why cry about one imbalance, there are quite a few.

There is a strategy forum for things like this.

EVERYONE KEEPS TALKING ABOUT THIS VOD PLZ GIVE ME THE LINK!! PLZ!! I BEEN SEARCHING FOR ABOUT A MONTH NOW...

FeelTheMoment

89 Posts

December 02 2004 07:32 GMT

#169

I am terran but I think toss and zerg need their high-tech advantage to make the game more fun. Without the threaten of hive units tvz will be mad boring when terran play it safe.

EAGER-beaver

Canada2799 Posts

December 02 2004 08:39 GMT

#170

i love dark swarm, it has completely changed my zvt style. I used to just mass to ultras off of 4 gas, but that usually meant getting crushed mid game cause zerg has no answers to 10 tanks and m&m control. Now I power off of 2 gas sources and tech straight to defilers at the 13-15 minute mark I'll start my 1st swarm. Because of the lower unit count during the entire game, I spend much more time microing drops and other sneaky disruption tactics. All in all, much more fun way of playing

7op

Canada654 Posts

December 02 2004 08:48 GMT

#171

I agreee let's ban dark swarm

baelrog

Austria705 Posts

December 02 2004 21:15 GMT

#172

On November 29 2004 20:17 emperor wrote:

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ya i agree , u can make some pretty trails with them defilers

without swarm this whole shit would slowly become even more cost ineffeciant than it already is. i mean without consume zerg needs many defilers lurks terrors ultras or whatever he uses. the fact is zerg needs so fucking many gas that he just cant afford swarm without consume

baelrog

Austria705 Posts

December 02 2004 21:16 GMT

#173

i want to add that an "small" army of 12 lurks and 3 defilers already cost about 2k mins. an abasolutely ridicolous sum of money. i do think that there are some maps like guiltine where zerg can get too many gases it becomes a bit imba but not on lt

LastWish

2015 Posts

December 02 2004 21:32 GMT

#174

On December 02 2004 17:48 7op wrote:
I agreee let's ban dark swarm

Let's ban iradiate too and see what happens.
Listen Swarm is OK, maybe the consume thing could be more like 25 mana for zergling and more mana for higher units since one zergling is only 25 minerals. By consuming ultra u should get full mana anyway.

88)WhyYouKickMyDog

United States608 Posts

December 02 2004 23:44 GMT

#175

i HATE accidentally consuming ultras T_T

88)WhyYouKickMyDog

United States608 Posts

December 02 2004 23:44 GMT

#176

this, i believe, makes it fair.

Jethro

Norway95 Posts

December 02 2004 23:52 GMT

#177

How about consuming an ovie with 2 ultras in it? :D
Do you get more mana restored from an comsumed ultra than a consumed ling btw?

Liquid`Drone

Norway28804 Posts

December 03 2004 00:07 GMT

#178

nope

ahk-gosu

Korea (South)2099 Posts

December 03 2004 00:16 GMT

#179

no
every unit including air units
small medium large

all give the defiler 50 mana.
this pretty much makes the use of defiler mana upgrade useless, seeing as how it will only cost 50 minerals to get instant 100 mana.
i think it is pretty balanced.
the real unbalance is the units that work within the dark swarm.
lurker is really a ranged unit but works in it :/.
ultralisks have way too much armor in this game especially vs protoss.
cracklings 3 3 vs marines or zlots 3 3 ups.
the upgrades negate eachother (except zlot armor 1 and shield ups) but cracklings attack much faster which just means that in the end, zerg gets the huge advantage.
3 cracklings with 3 3 ups should beat a zlot with 3 3.
1 crackling vs 1 marine 3 3 ups should win also

ultra armor. 6 armor.
makes marine damage ( with 3 ups) only 3 because of 6+3 marine damage - 6
this means that marines have to hit an ultra about 136 times in order to kill it.
and usually the zerg has more than 1.................
think about if they have 7 ultras. 7 x 136 = enough. do the math

vs protoss.
zlots attack type :/ 2x
6 armor ultras 12 minus damage from initial 16 + 6 - 12 = 12
400 devided by 12 = a lot seeing as how zlots hits are very slow.

even vs lings :/ 3 hits. comeon................
maybe the terrans are a bit balanced because tanks do 70 damage seige without upgrades. 85 is hugeeeee. defense matrix can eat up 250 damage per casting. irradiate kills off every zerg unit except ultra and devourer. but i think the damage should be a bit faster. a tad bit.

but protoss. dark archons can help with this problem but maelstrom has a huge mana cost and the maelstrom lasts a VERY VERY VERY short amount of time. i think the balance should be that the maelstrom effect lasts a bit longer. maybe about 9 seconds?

Jethro

Norway95 Posts

December 03 2004 03:24 GMT

#180

the zealot is a tier 1 unit, and an ultra is a tier 3. Shoud'nt the ultra's own zealot's? Toss have many units that counters ultra's pretty good: DT's, Reaver's, Goon's, DA's and Archon's.

it's the same principal with ultra's vs rine's. an ultra is a high tech unit while marines is NO TECH units.