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On November 30 2004 05:27 baelrog wrote:
how to counter a terran leaving his tanks with a mass of tanks and rines??? lurk/hyd will die so as lurk/ling. and unless u can afford really manny upgrades ultras+cracks u have no chance because guardiens die if they are not used over a cliff. and swarm is also available just with hive tech. so whats your point man? without swarm zerg couldn not win a single z vs t on high levels because the old hyd/lurk still you are still using in z vs t doesnt work vs the good terrs anymore.
just because your terra gets slaid at wgt by the gosu zerg swarm is not imba.
My point man, is that i'm not gonna comment on every newbie that talks bullshit here. How about you learn this game instead of flaming me just because you don't know what you're talking about
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On November 30 2004 06:06 poor newb wrote:
sci vessals > zerg
just mass sci vessals and irradiate everything, get some mm to protect aginst scourage
you obviously don't get it. if you keep your marines and vessels together he can dark swarm and kill the marines before you irradiatet "everything" + he can scourge your vessels at the same time. If you try to fly over to his defilers to irradiate them you cannot protect them with m&m.
I just played This game which demonstrates the power of dark swarm pretty well
http://www.wgtour.com/match.php?action=dl&datab=broodwar&id=486060&url=upload/ladder/broodwar/5941in9.rep
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actually i agrees that dark swarm is indeed too powerful..in some instances when the zerg has too many bases.. defilers just keerp comsuming lings and casting dark swarms to keep the terran army out and also use iot to flank the terran army
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Make Vessel a possibility to consume :>
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All these topics about something too strong leads to nothing, only to some flaming....I think that you are enough skilled to kill it all infinity 
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On November 29 2004 11:52 Kobayashi wrote:
generally speaking defilers are hugely underused, people prefer to spend there money on ultras and not have to micro anything. Plague is also amazing (not so much zvt)
Well,actually in ZvT it can be quite disasterous plaguing the m&m ,taking all the energy of the medics and leaving the marines quite defenseless and you can combine it with parasite(which cannot be restored now due to lack of energy) and ensnare to make things horrible.
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You can protect your vessels from scourges if your micro is good enough.But mine surely isnt.
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On November 29 2004 16:17 Mindcrime wrote:
Nerf swarm but make irrad only do 150 dmg and cost 100 mana gogo~
wtf are you joking?
this means that guardians dont die in 1 irradiate.
and mana upping to 100??? are you retarded orsomething??
even storm cost 75 and its strong as heck.
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the only real imbalance in this game imo is:
dark archon spell cost
ultralisk armor vs zlots :/
cracklings vs zlots
to sum up the 2 above zlot attack x 2 :/
scout ground damage for its cost :/
scout upgrades
tell me some else i missed
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im sure yellow will disagree about dark swarm being too powerful 
it is amazing how many topics about how zerg being too powerful among us newbie....while the top pros whing about zerg being too weak.
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On November 29 2004 12:14 Legionnaire wrote:
Firebats and medics/irradiate, you should watch Artofterran vs Julyzerg on requiem (pro league match) you will see what i mean. Its a bloody awesome game.
Why cry about one imbalance, there are quite a few.
There is a strategy forum for things like this.
That was a very great game. ArtOfTerran handled that very well.
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so much whine...first z is imba cause boxer bunker rushed..and since he did it its obviosly not possible to defend against!..then its all the terrans thinking carriers r to good in pvt..and now swarm is to good? ...whats the next ridiculus claim? maybe dweb is imbalanced in pvz...cause its so hard for zerg to ever win that match up..just like tvz favours zerg so much 
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I didn't bother reading any of this but the first page, I will simply state this and not look back. Do not question it.
At the high level end of gaming swarm is far from imbalanced. As it takes a lot to do and slows the zerg down enormously. Look at most zergs when they get defilers, their money will tend to skyrocket.
Also, simply teching to swarm unless you have gained a large advantage leaves the zerg open to die in a variety of ways, or if they are secure, they will most definitely lose any expansions should the terran be playing how he should. Swarm should never be a, "surprise! I've got swarm!" Unless one has fucked up.
All I will say is that if you are finding swarm to be imbalanced it is not because of the game. It is because of your own mistakes earlier on that put you in a precarious position to let swarm become a nuisance. In which case, you deserve to be punished for your insolence and swarmed by the swarm.
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Flee before the might of the swarm... @ Broodwar.com
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On November 30 2004 10:23 ahk-gosu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2004 16:17 Mindcrime wrote:
Nerf swarm but make irrad only do 150 dmg and cost 100 mana gogo~ wtf are you joking? this means that guardians dont die in 1 irradiate. and mana upping to 100??? are you retarded orsomething?? even storm cost 75 and its strong as heck.
Way to miss my point. My point was that nerfing swarm would be equivolent to crippling irrad. -_-;
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On November 29 2004 12:00 PIKI wrote:
Dark Swarm is ok.
Consume is imbalanced :/
Yea gotta agree. But then again irradiate > zerg xcept scourge.
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yup defilers are really very strong... i think consume capability should be taken away... im a terran user... hehehehe... BoxeR + NaDa Rocks!!!!
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I get sick and tired of these terran cryings -
How come T>Z with all these imba swarms around lol. Actually if there were no swarms, i doubt zerg would have any chance to beat 200/200 Terran Army. If u want to make swarm 125 why not but don't forget to make iradiate 100 too.
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On November 30 2004 18:47 LastWish wrote:
I get sick and tired of these terran cryings -
How come T>Z with all these imba swarms around lol. Actually if there were no swarms, i doubt zerg would have any chance to beat 200/200 Terran Army. If u want to make swarm 125 why not but don't forget to make iradiate 100 too.
Exactly Zerg has no chance of beating a 200/200 terran army.And with all the bullshit Terran can do like just bunker up you need dark swarm.I don't hear people bitching when Oov is sitting just massing and rolling out when Zerg can't do shit.
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