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LOL:
The knowledge that ground PvZ is more of a I-might-as-well-say-gg-when-I-build-first-probe is widespread. I've never beated a zerg unless he is below my level or I got extremely lucky.
My questions is:
Do you take a risk and defend against one possible strategy (i.e assume he will go lurkers and plan accordingly, completely disregarding the aspect of mutalisks etc.) or is there a way to play conservatively and not get owned by zerg's 7:2 base ratio? (which will happen if you plan against everything and never actually strike against the zerg)
There is just so many things that zerg can do after owning your rush
-mutas
-lurks
-2/3hatch hydra
-slow lurk drop
-mass drop
-hydraling
-mutaling
-lurkling
-1base muta
-1base lurker
-3hatch ling
-....
-....
Oh god, just listing them makes numerous losses flash before my eyes... Help me LOL!
(oh yeah, is it true that you know oG)Fury_au?)
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On February 19 2004 05:37 Legionnaire wrote: Show nested quote +On February 16 2004 18:59 ApollyoN wrote: LOL; Please explain the basis of the 10 gate/12 gas/ core later build vs Zerg, both the sair and templar techs, such as what to look for in terms of zerg reactions to the build and how to counter those reaction, like describing how you would decide whether to add more gates and put on the pressure as opposed to taking your natural expo or teching up a different tree. Good question? ~_~ Thanks   Ouch! thats a fairly general question involving a lot of thinking for all of the tech strategies for toss T_T I might hide from this until next time unless you can make an aspect on that you want me to focus on.
kk in that case I would like a focus on the templar tech aspect and how to use that most effectively.
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On February 19 2004 14:21 JeeJee wrote:
LOL:
The knowledge that ground PvZ is more of a I-might-as-well-say-gg-when-I-build-first-probe is widespread. I've never beated a zerg unless he is below my level or I got extremely lucky.
My questions is:
Do you take a risk and defend against one possible strategy (i.e assume he will go lurkers and plan accordingly, completely disregarding the aspect of mutalisks etc.) or is there a way to play conservatively and not get owned by zerg's 7:2 base ratio? (which will happen if you plan against everything and never actually strike against the zerg)
There is just so many things that zerg can do after owning your rush
-mutas
-lurks
-2/3hatch hydra
-slow lurk drop
-mass drop
-hydraling
-mutaling
-lurkling
-1base muta
-1base lurker
-3hatch ling
-....
-....
Oh god, just listing them makes numerous losses flash before my eyes... Help me LOL!
(oh yeah, is it true that you know oG)Fury_au?)
If you really think pvz is that unbalanced your too much of a newb for LOL (Or anyone else for that matter) to help you. Its unbalanced, not impossible. And its even far less unbalanced when playing the average WGT zerg, because most average zergs have no clue how to exploit the zvp inbalance, or simply aren't good enough to make the balance seem unfair.
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My eyes burn from "unbalanced", everyone says that! It's imbalanced!
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On February 20 2004 08:12 -_- wrote:
My eyes burn from "unbalanced", everyone says that! It's imbalanced!
Your mom is unbalanced when I'm holding a leg up so I can get better access.
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On February 20 2004 08:20 Brown wrote: Show nested quote +On February 20 2004 08:12 -_- wrote:
My eyes burn from "unbalanced", everyone says that! It's imbalanced! Your mom is unbalanced when I'm holding a leg up so I can get better access.
show some respect -_-
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On February 20 2004 08:20 Brown wrote: Show nested quote +On February 20 2004 08:12 -_- wrote:
My eyes burn from "unbalanced", everyone says that! It's imbalanced! Your mom is unbalanced when I'm holding a leg up so I can get better access.
WOW Do you hate him ?? LMAO
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On February 19 2004 19:30 Commander[SB] wrote
If you really think pvz is that unbalanced your too much of a newb for LOL (Or anyone else for that matter) to help you. Its unbalanced, not impossible. And its even far less unbalanced when playing the average WGT zerg, because most average zergs have no clue how to exploit the zvp inbalance, or simply aren't good enough to make the balance seem unfair.
Obviously your feeble brain is yet to realize that it was a mere exaggeration and that the real question was
Do you take a risk and defend against one possible strategy (i.e assume he will go lurkers and plan accordingly, completely disregarding the aspect of mutalisks etc.) or is there a way to play conservatively?
I challenge your statement that most zergs on WGT do not exploit it. They do exploit it otherwise they wouldn't kill me. Perhaps moving past the c6 mark could help you realize that.
And I was not aware that there existed a level of newbishness that could not be helped. A person who has never played SC could still be helped, wouldn't you agree? 
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some ppl think helping anyone is impossible because they suck at it
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Australia4514 Posts
On February 19 2004 12:55 FakeSteve)307 wrote: Peter This has nothing to do with strategy but you will see it if i post it here: We want RWAs from more players who know what they're talking about. I think the best options would be you, with your undoubtedly fantastic australian accent, and Giyom. If you could A) Make an RWA or two and B) Somehow get in touch with / convince Giyom to do the same.. Well everyone would be good and happy!
if i move and i can speak into a microphone without anyone around (so i dont feel like a retard) then i might try to do some.
and i'll tell elky to bash up giyom and make him do some rwa's
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Sweden1282 Posts
can elky actually bash anyone? -__-
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On February 20 2004 23:27 Legionnaire wrote: Show nested quote +On February 19 2004 12:55 FakeSteve)307 wrote: Peter This has nothing to do with strategy but you will see it if i post it here: We want RWAs from more players who know what they're talking about. I think the best options would be you, with your undoubtedly fantastic australian accent, and Giyom. If you could A) Make an RWA or two and B) Somehow get in touch with / convince Giyom to do the same.. Well everyone would be good and happy! if i move and i can speak into a microphone without anyone around (so i dont feel like a retard) then i might try to do some. and i'll tell elky to bash up giyom and make him do some rwa's
A) You just went up like 12 points on the Awesome scale
B) if you want to play some fuck-around games, ken is having some 3v3 or 4v4 or racewars or something after tourney.. channel FNT on europe
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On February 20 2004 13:08 JeeJee wrote: I challenge your statement that most zergs on WGT do not exploit it. They do exploit it otherwise they wouldn't kill me. Perhaps moving past the c6 mark could help you realize that. And I was not aware that there existed a level of newbishness that could not be helped. A person who has never played SC could still be helped, wouldn't you agree?
They kill you because you suck, not because they know how to exploit zvp on land maps (mostly temple). Not many C level zergs know how to exploit a lurker contain with scourges. Not many know how to make sudden tech switches in safe situations. Not many know how to take islands while teching to hive to have fast crack/ultra without having to use much ground control. Not many can just mass expand and keep the expoes up while both lurker containing, dropping, and keeping the toss on his toes.
And yes, a person can be 'too newbie' for written advice to be of any help, perhaps your not good enough to realize this. Go look at some of the 'need help' posts on wgtour and try to answer them. You'll often come across questions such as "How should I micro zerglings?" or "How should I play zerg?" - Those people are far too newbie to help =/
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They kill you because you suck, not because they know how to exploit zvp on land maps (mostly temple). Not many C level zergs know how to exploit a lurker contain with scourges. Not many know how to make sudden tech switches in safe situations. Not many know how to take islands while teching to hive to have fast crack/ultra without having to use much ground control. Not many can just mass expand and keep the expoes up while both lurker containing, dropping, and keeping the toss on his toes.
And yes, a person can be 'too newbie' for written advice to be of any help, perhaps your not good enough to realize this. Go look at some of the 'need help' posts on wgtour and try to answer them. You'll often come across questions such as "How should I micro zerglings?" or "How should I play zerg?" - Those people are far too newbie to help =/
They kill me because they exploit the zerg's strength. Just because they're c6 doesn't make them newbs. They might just be starting out.
Example: I've been owned by cambio[shlt] who later went 10-0 and stopped playing. I agree going 10-0 is nothing because I went 16-1 myself. Relatively I suck of course when compared to the Greats
On about c2 level, after I went 16-1 vs the noobie terrans and tosses they got on WGT, zergs did EXACTLY that to me.
Contain with lurk/ol/scourge is quite popular.
Opening with a mutaling and switching into a lurk drop to own your probes at both your bases (or vice versa) isn't rare either.
Sunk/lurk abuse while taking both islands and pumping mass ultra/lings is so popular, I've been owned by it this week.
Your last sentence applies to cambio[shlt] who did exactly that. He had the map in under 17 minutes and there was nothing that I could do about that because he switched techs and I had to turtle even more
Plus, nobody on WGT posts "how should I play <race>". They mostly ask about build orders or some micro tips in certain situations. Moreover, everyone is a newb at some point and unless they ask questions and put in some hardcore practice, they won't get better very fast.
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I think we both have good pionts and this arguement is dumb and pointless.
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i agree. let's all be friends...
Leg, make another one >.<
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Valhalla18444 Posts
AND BY THE WAY PETER
The Legions had Legates, not lords!
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Australia4514 Posts
I'm afraid you are confused young minion.
The world is called Legion, and i am its lord.
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LOL - I am having problems losing to toss with zerg. Would you be so kind to meet me on bnet and show me how?
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