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On June 30 2009 09:41 Rekrul wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2009 09:27 Chanted wrote:
First off, why blame Strelok here, blame Valor adminstaff. I completely understand where Strelok is coming from, and I think he is doing the right thing here. Its easy to sit there and say, "oh stop being a crybaby and just play the game" and so on, but most of you are ignorant to the underlying issues here.
From reading this situation, most likely Fenix is the one who disconnected. Otherwise, I doubt Strelok would make a complaint about replaying that game. Secondly, Strelok obviously thought he had the advantage of the game, and if I thought I had a good advantage of the game, and the other guy disconnects, damn sure I would fight for my rights.
Now, Strelok a really good player seems to think that he has the advantage in this game, so does SDM, a headcoach for Estro, and he has been in the scene way longer then Artosis or anyone else on this site.
And there is Artosis, who is saying that the advantage isnt clear, and NOBODY seems to doubt that, or even think that he can be wrong. It`s a fucking joke, that is what that is. If Strelok can be wrong, so can Artosis, but I really hope this replay finds it way to the public, so we all can see and judge for ourselves.
Really unfortunate for the credability of Valor tournement. Head admin makes a decision, gets disputed, second Headadmin if we can call SDM that, comes and supports that decision. Anywhere else, iccup/wgtour etc, this would be a FINAL decision, as in Final, Finito, 1-1 and go for last game. But here, Fenix complains to someone OUTSIDE the tournement staff, actually leaking the replay somewhat, and is probably breakin the Valor rule allready here. Then this person OUTSIDE the Valor staff, overwrites 2 admins, its just ridicolous. Whether the decision to change this is right or not, this is unacceptable. Valor allowing themselves to be stepped upon like that just goes to show how little balls they have to stand by their decisions.
I see where Artosis is coming from, if he believes that the decision is wrong, and nobody had the advantage, I think I would probably do what he did, and try to get it changed, so he has Balls
Strelok is standing by principles, not letting Valor jerk him anymore around, even if it costs him his participation in Valor, and probably even a cashprize, since he could very well beat Fenix 2-0 now, and then his next opponent, so he has Balls
Valor, making a decision, then getting it backed up by another admin, only to have it reverted from someone OUTSIDE of their staff, simply lack balls and now credibility
I love how all these nerds come in here and try to talk about the situation "logically." You're all idiots. This slight fuck-up in Valor almost did Strelok a huge favor. Now that it's reversed it's back to even. He has nothing to be pissed about. It's like my son's weekly allowance is 10$ but then I accidentally give him an 100$ bill. I then later count the money in my wallet and ask him "SON DID I GIVE YOU 10 OR 100?" he then says "10$" then I search his pockets, find the 100$, spank him for being a bad boy, then give him his 10$. But then the kid gets angry and throws the 10$ on the ground and says "I DONT WANT IT!!" Guess there'll be no new legos for Strelok to build this week!
Your comparisons are always really terrible. But it basically shows that you do not even try to understand Streloks point. Maybe from your point of view you just cannot comprehend. But enough with that.
Obviously, more has happened behind the scenes than what can be told in a single forum post. I actually respect Strelok more just for the fact that he just gave the information what has happened and did not get involved into this useless flamewar just to have the last word. Since Strelok is basically known for good sportsmanship, and the tournament has been terrible organized unitl now, I believe that his reasons are genuine.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
And if any of you were wondering. I just asked some people who know everything about the situation.
Fact 1: Daniel Lee didn't even watch the replay.
Fact 2: The reason why it was "FIVE DAYS" is because Strelok was at a LAN and didn't bother checking his email for that extent of time.
WHATS UP NOW?
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On June 30 2009 10:10 Malinor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2009 09:41 Rekrul wrote:On June 30 2009 09:27 Chanted wrote:
First off, why blame Strelok here, blame Valor adminstaff. I completely understand where Strelok is coming from, and I think he is doing the right thing here. Its easy to sit there and say, "oh stop being a crybaby and just play the game" and so on, but most of you are ignorant to the underlying issues here.
From reading this situation, most likely Fenix is the one who disconnected. Otherwise, I doubt Strelok would make a complaint about replaying that game. Secondly, Strelok obviously thought he had the advantage of the game, and if I thought I had a good advantage of the game, and the other guy disconnects, damn sure I would fight for my rights.
Now, Strelok a really good player seems to think that he has the advantage in this game, so does SDM, a headcoach for Estro, and he has been in the scene way longer then Artosis or anyone else on this site.
And there is Artosis, who is saying that the advantage isnt clear, and NOBODY seems to doubt that, or even think that he can be wrong. It`s a fucking joke, that is what that is. If Strelok can be wrong, so can Artosis, but I really hope this replay finds it way to the public, so we all can see and judge for ourselves.
Really unfortunate for the credability of Valor tournement. Head admin makes a decision, gets disputed, second Headadmin if we can call SDM that, comes and supports that decision. Anywhere else, iccup/wgtour etc, this would be a FINAL decision, as in Final, Finito, 1-1 and go for last game. But here, Fenix complains to someone OUTSIDE the tournement staff, actually leaking the replay somewhat, and is probably breakin the Valor rule allready here. Then this person OUTSIDE the Valor staff, overwrites 2 admins, its just ridicolous. Whether the decision to change this is right or not, this is unacceptable. Valor allowing themselves to be stepped upon like that just goes to show how little balls they have to stand by their decisions.
I see where Artosis is coming from, if he believes that the decision is wrong, and nobody had the advantage, I think I would probably do what he did, and try to get it changed, so he has Balls
Strelok is standing by principles, not letting Valor jerk him anymore around, even if it costs him his participation in Valor, and probably even a cashprize, since he could very well beat Fenix 2-0 now, and then his next opponent, so he has Balls
Valor, making a decision, then getting it backed up by another admin, only to have it reverted from someone OUTSIDE of their staff, simply lack balls and now credibility
I love how all these nerds come in here and try to talk about the situation "logically." You're all idiots. This slight fuck-up in Valor almost did Strelok a huge favor. Now that it's reversed it's back to even. He has nothing to be pissed about. It's like my son's weekly allowance is 10$ but then I accidentally give him an 100$ bill. I then later count the money in my wallet and ask him "SON DID I GIVE YOU 10 OR 100?" he then says "10$" then I search his pockets, find the 100$, spank him for being a bad boy, then give him his 10$. But then the kid gets angry and throws the 10$ on the ground and says "I DONT WANT IT!!" Guess there'll be no new legos for Strelok to build this week! Your comparisons are always really terrible. But it basically shows that you do not even try to understand Streloks point. Maybe from your point of view you just cannot comprehend. But enough with that. Obviously, more has happened behind the scenes than what can be told in a single forum post. I actually respect Strelok more just for the fact that he just gave the information what has happened and did not get involved into this useless flamewar just to have the last word. Since Strelok is basically known for good sportsmanship, and the tournament has been terrible organized unitl now, I believe that his reasons are genuine.
I agree with you. He didnt attack anyone with his post, he merely stated he no longer wanted to participate. There is no reason to flame him, yet rekrul decided to completely misread everything he said, and construe it as something entirely different. Then he has the idea that WERE all idiots...*cough* lol. Maybe if it was someone like LS who has been really retarded in the past, but strelok is always nice, and approachable with a positive attitude. Why even bash on someone like that?
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On June 30 2009 09:56 Liquid`NonY wrote:
the whole idea that there is some magical moral property to a "final decision" that everyone must stick to is ridiculous. mistakes can be made. situations can be re-evaluated. i'm surprised that eSports fans get upset when a tournament is willing to admit they messed up on their final decision so that they can do what's best for the tournament. if anyone should get upset, it'd be someone like a businessman in his suit and tie who is sponsoring it and cares more about reputation than fair play.
whatever is best for the tournament trumps anything else. artosis always knows what's best for a tournament (not being sarcastic at all here).
i don't understand how strelok dropping out is professional, best for the tournament, or best for him. nothing is certain in life. if he was literally a professional player, i have no doubt his coach would've made him stay in the tournament.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On June 30 2009 10:13 eXigent. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2009 10:10 Malinor wrote:On June 30 2009 09:41 Rekrul wrote:On June 30 2009 09:27 Chanted wrote:
First off, why blame Strelok here, blame Valor adminstaff. I completely understand where Strelok is coming from, and I think he is doing the right thing here. Its easy to sit there and say, "oh stop being a crybaby and just play the game" and so on, but most of you are ignorant to the underlying issues here.
From reading this situation, most likely Fenix is the one who disconnected. Otherwise, I doubt Strelok would make a complaint about replaying that game. Secondly, Strelok obviously thought he had the advantage of the game, and if I thought I had a good advantage of the game, and the other guy disconnects, damn sure I would fight for my rights.
Now, Strelok a really good player seems to think that he has the advantage in this game, so does SDM, a headcoach for Estro, and he has been in the scene way longer then Artosis or anyone else on this site.
And there is Artosis, who is saying that the advantage isnt clear, and NOBODY seems to doubt that, or even think that he can be wrong. It`s a fucking joke, that is what that is. If Strelok can be wrong, so can Artosis, but I really hope this replay finds it way to the public, so we all can see and judge for ourselves.
Really unfortunate for the credability of Valor tournement. Head admin makes a decision, gets disputed, second Headadmin if we can call SDM that, comes and supports that decision. Anywhere else, iccup/wgtour etc, this would be a FINAL decision, as in Final, Finito, 1-1 and go for last game. But here, Fenix complains to someone OUTSIDE the tournement staff, actually leaking the replay somewhat, and is probably breakin the Valor rule allready here. Then this person OUTSIDE the Valor staff, overwrites 2 admins, its just ridicolous. Whether the decision to change this is right or not, this is unacceptable. Valor allowing themselves to be stepped upon like that just goes to show how little balls they have to stand by their decisions.
I see where Artosis is coming from, if he believes that the decision is wrong, and nobody had the advantage, I think I would probably do what he did, and try to get it changed, so he has Balls
Strelok is standing by principles, not letting Valor jerk him anymore around, even if it costs him his participation in Valor, and probably even a cashprize, since he could very well beat Fenix 2-0 now, and then his next opponent, so he has Balls
Valor, making a decision, then getting it backed up by another admin, only to have it reverted from someone OUTSIDE of their staff, simply lack balls and now credibility
I love how all these nerds come in here and try to talk about the situation "logically." You're all idiots. This slight fuck-up in Valor almost did Strelok a huge favor. Now that it's reversed it's back to even. He has nothing to be pissed about. It's like my son's weekly allowance is 10$ but then I accidentally give him an 100$ bill. I then later count the money in my wallet and ask him "SON DID I GIVE YOU 10 OR 100?" he then says "10$" then I search his pockets, find the 100$, spank him for being a bad boy, then give him his 10$. But then the kid gets angry and throws the 10$ on the ground and says "I DONT WANT IT!!" Guess there'll be no new legos for Strelok to build this week! Your comparisons are always really terrible. But it basically shows that you do not even try to understand Streloks point. Maybe from your point of view you just cannot comprehend. But enough with that. Obviously, more has happened behind the scenes than what can be told in a single forum post. I actually respect Strelok more just for the fact that he just gave the information what has happened and did not get involved into this useless flamewar just to have the last word. Since Strelok is basically known for good sportsmanship, and the tournament has been terrible organized unitl now, I believe that his reasons are genuine. I agree with you. He didnt attack anyone with his post, he merely stated he no longer wanted to participate. There is no reason to flame him, yet rekrul decided to completely misread everything he said, and construe it as something entirely different. Then he has the idea that WERE all idiots...*cough* lol
Yes from my point of view I cannot comprehend. In life I surround myself only with people who have a real understanding of morals, ethics, trust, and common sense. I just can't stand to associate with people who act like dumb whiney little bitches. So when I see someone acting like a whiney little bitch I just can't help but overreact. Sorry guys my bad!!
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On June 30 2009 09:56 Liquid`NonY wrote:
the whole idea that there is some magical moral property to a "final decision" that everyone must stick to is ridiculous. mistakes can be made. situations can be re-evaluated.
The point is being missed over and over, especially by Rekrul who is missing it in a rather insistent fashion, almost willingly, I suspect, to keep the drama going.
- He did not disagree that the game should be 0-1, in fact he agreed with that:
On June 29 2009 21:42 Strelok. wrote:
I would agree with his decision 0-1 and replay second game IF it wasn't made week after but immediatly.
- Strelok is mad because the issue was handled in a rather amateur manner, and for this reason he withdrew from the tournament:
On June 29 2009 20:51 Strelok. wrote:
But i really can't understand when serious men, professionals, change their decisions, "final decisions" as they call them, for many times. That is why i decided to drop off from the tournament. I drop off not because i think this decision is unfair
- His intention was not that of getting a freewin, otherwise he wouldn't drop off the tournament (duh) and say:
On June 29 2009 20:51 Strelok. wrote:
I feel sorry for people who wanted me to win and for people who just wanted to see good games between me and Fenix.
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If I understood it correctly, Strelok had not lost yet otherwise he wouldn't need to withdraw, so he did this to make a point. Considering the amount of money at stake, this shows he either has balls or plain doesn't care about the money. People who are calling him a cheater or a coward should learn to read and stop making fools out of themselves.
PS. this last paragraph is not meant as a response to Nony's post.
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On June 30 2009 10:13 eXigent. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2009 10:10 Malinor wrote:On June 30 2009 09:41 Rekrul wrote:On June 30 2009 09:27 Chanted wrote:
First off, why blame Strelok here, blame Valor adminstaff. I completely understand where Strelok is coming from, and I think he is doing the right thing here. Its easy to sit there and say, "oh stop being a crybaby and just play the game" and so on, but most of you are ignorant to the underlying issues here.
From reading this situation, most likely Fenix is the one who disconnected. Otherwise, I doubt Strelok would make a complaint about replaying that game. Secondly, Strelok obviously thought he had the advantage of the game, and if I thought I had a good advantage of the game, and the other guy disconnects, damn sure I would fight for my rights.
Now, Strelok a really good player seems to think that he has the advantage in this game, so does SDM, a headcoach for Estro, and he has been in the scene way longer then Artosis or anyone else on this site.
And there is Artosis, who is saying that the advantage isnt clear, and NOBODY seems to doubt that, or even think that he can be wrong. It`s a fucking joke, that is what that is. If Strelok can be wrong, so can Artosis, but I really hope this replay finds it way to the public, so we all can see and judge for ourselves.
Really unfortunate for the credability of Valor tournement. Head admin makes a decision, gets disputed, second Headadmin if we can call SDM that, comes and supports that decision. Anywhere else, iccup/wgtour etc, this would be a FINAL decision, as in Final, Finito, 1-1 and go for last game. But here, Fenix complains to someone OUTSIDE the tournement staff, actually leaking the replay somewhat, and is probably breakin the Valor rule allready here. Then this person OUTSIDE the Valor staff, overwrites 2 admins, its just ridicolous. Whether the decision to change this is right or not, this is unacceptable. Valor allowing themselves to be stepped upon like that just goes to show how little balls they have to stand by their decisions.
I see where Artosis is coming from, if he believes that the decision is wrong, and nobody had the advantage, I think I would probably do what he did, and try to get it changed, so he has Balls
Strelok is standing by principles, not letting Valor jerk him anymore around, even if it costs him his participation in Valor, and probably even a cashprize, since he could very well beat Fenix 2-0 now, and then his next opponent, so he has Balls
Valor, making a decision, then getting it backed up by another admin, only to have it reverted from someone OUTSIDE of their staff, simply lack balls and now credibility
I love how all these nerds come in here and try to talk about the situation "logically." You're all idiots. This slight fuck-up in Valor almost did Strelok a huge favor. Now that it's reversed it's back to even. He has nothing to be pissed about. It's like my son's weekly allowance is 10$ but then I accidentally give him an 100$ bill. I then later count the money in my wallet and ask him "SON DID I GIVE YOU 10 OR 100?" he then says "10$" then I search his pockets, find the 100$, spank him for being a bad boy, then give him his 10$. But then the kid gets angry and throws the 10$ on the ground and says "I DONT WANT IT!!" Guess there'll be no new legos for Strelok to build this week! Your comparisons are always really terrible. But it basically shows that you do not even try to understand Streloks point. Maybe from your point of view you just cannot comprehend. But enough with that. Obviously, more has happened behind the scenes than what can be told in a single forum post. I actually respect Strelok more just for the fact that he just gave the information what has happened and did not get involved into this useless flamewar just to have the last word. Since Strelok is basically known for good sportsmanship, and the tournament has been terrible organized unitl now, I believe that his reasons are genuine. I agree with you. He didnt attack anyone with his post, he merely stated he no longer wanted to participate. There is no reason to flame him, yet rekrul decided to completely misread everything he said, and construe it as something entirely different. Then he has the idea that WERE all idiots...*cough* lol. Maybe if it was someone like LS who has been really retarded in the past, but strelok is always nice, and approachable with a positive attitude. Why even bash on someone like that?
didnt attack anyone? he claimed the valor admins screwed him, when in fact he was just trying to get his 0-1 overturned. he was certainly not taking the high road. especially given that he purposefully avoided talking about what the admin's decision actually was.
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On June 30 2009 10:12 Rekrul wrote:
And if any of you were wondering. I just asked some people who know everything about the situation.
Fact 1: Daniel Lee didn't even watch the replay.
Fact 2: The reason why it was "FIVE DAYS" is because Strelok was at a LAN and didn't bother checking his email for that extent of time.
WHATS UP NOW?
Please explain how this changes anything.
The decision was still changed, and the timeframe is unspecified, so it could have been 4 days, or 4 days and 23 hours for all we know. Not that it's relevant anyway.
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timeframe was specified actually
he said they made the decision, he then went to a lan for 2 days, and when he got back he had a pm that the decision was changed.
whats wrong with changing a decision? why should they let a bad decision stand when it can be easily fixed? they hadnt even played the rest of the matches yet.
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Washington, D.C9935 Posts
agreed with artosis & co.
think this through, it is uncharacteristic someone with your reputation for being manner to act so unreasonably. tourney organizers have been making mistakes since caveman rock throwing contests.
holy shit this thread is growing quickly
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On June 30 2009 10:21 LG)Sabbath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2009 09:56 Liquid`NonY wrote:
the whole idea that there is some magical moral property to a "final decision" that everyone must stick to is ridiculous. mistakes can be made. situations can be re-evaluated. The point is being missed over and over, especially by Rekrul who is missing it in a rather insistent fashion, almost willingly, I suspect, to keep the drama going. - He did not disagree that the game should be 0-1, in fact he agreed with that: Show nested quote +On June 29 2009 21:42 Strelok. wrote:
I would agree with his decision 0-1 and replay second game IF it wasn't made week after but immediatly. - Strelok is mad because the issue was handled in a rather amateur manner, and for this reason he withdrew from the tournament: Show nested quote +On June 29 2009 20:51 Strelok. wrote:
But i really can't understand when serious men, professionals, change their decisions, "final decisions" as they call them, for many times. That is why i decided to drop off from the tournament. I drop off not because i think this decision is unfair - His intention was not that of getting a freewin, otherwise he wouldn't drop off the tournament (duh) and say: Show nested quote +On June 29 2009 20:51 Strelok. wrote:
I feel sorry for people who wanted me to win and for people who just wanted to see good games between me and Fenix. ----- If I understood it correctly, Strelok had not lost yet otherwise he wouldn't need to withdraw, so he did this to make a point. Considering the amount of money at stake, this shows he either has balls or plain doesn't care about the money. People who are calling him a cheater or a coward should learn to read and stop making fools out of themselves. PS. this last paragraph is not meant as a response to Nony's post.
No, it's you that is misunderstanding.
What Strelok is saying NOW doesn't matter.
Fact of the matter is when it did happen Strelok tried to get the 1-1 or 0-0. Maybe he didn't try but even just passively agreeing with a very unfair referee decision in your favor is cheating. He sat on his ass for 5 days waiting and hoping for his freebee until Artosis came around and fixed the situation. And as I mentioned just before it wasn't them making him wait, but him making them wait by not replying to his email. If he was such a mannered player he would have said "No, screw that, whats fair is to just re-game it." But he didn't...what he says is BS, his actions have shown his true character. Hopefully he'll learn from this.
Now he's trying to flip it around and act like he has been done a terrible misjustice simply because he had to wait for 5 days for the correct and honorable decision to be made. Even saying he's gunna drop out of the tournament because of it (lol).
If you can't understand how pathetic all of that is then you're a fucking idiot.
The fact of the matter is is that e-sports in general and especially foreign e-sports is in it's absolute infancy. In general people running the show are incompetent as there simply aren't enough people with the experience and skillset and principles like Artosis to make the correct decisions all the time. Hopefully that will progress but for now, it is up to the players to maintain the integrity of a tournament. Thats why people like me, who actually understand this, get fucking mad when these little faggot gamers act like little faggot gamers instead of grown up human beings.
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Just play the games Strelok and Fenix, I don't give a crap if its in valor because I can't even watch it without paying those fools, I just want these games to be played and be exciting.
Okay there settled, 0-1 go on with games 2 and 3. You do these builds all the time, you should be able to crush him, you had time to come up with something new and better. Gogogogo. Kick some trash Mozart.
Also go make a stream or something Strelok.
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On June 30 2009 10:30 Rekrul wrote:
Thats why people like me, who actually understand this, get fucking mad when these little faggot gamers act like little faggot gamers instead of grown up human beings.
Basically, anyone viewing the case differently (not to mention nearly noone has first hand information in the first place) is a "fucking idiot" who just does not understand. Speaking of understanding, try again to comprehend that maybe there is a tiny chance that someone is really pissed at an organization, and his actions are not only directed towards the fact that he did not get a free win.
I am not sure you should be judging who is a "grown up human being".
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Strelok's only mistake was assuming that Valor was a professionally-ran tournament. Mistakes like these are the differences between "amateur" and "professional."
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these type of dicussions = best birthday present for rekrul
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On June 30 2009 10:30 Rekrul wrote:
Maybe he didn't try but even just passively agreeing with a very unfair referee decision in your favor is cheating. He sat on his ass for 5 days waiting and hoping for his freebee until Artosis came around and fixed the situation.
Do you have the replay? Otherwise if SDM didn't even watch the replay, I don't know where you got the "unfair" qualification from. Post the replay and we'll see. He did say he thought he was ahead in the game. In any case the option of 0-1 was not offered, despite Fenix asking for it.
If things are the way you paint them, then I'd agree with all of what you said, but it seems you're just taking huge guesses here.
Also I don't see how "he sat on his ass for 5 days" couldn't just be something you pulled out of your ass, as noone knows what goes inside Strelok's head, and we hardly have any idea about what he did in those 5 days. If we're going to go by his record, he is known for being one of the most mannered top players around, so I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.
On June 30 2009 10:30 Rekrul wrote:
Thats why people like me, who actually understand this, get fucking mad when these little faggot gamers act like little faggot gamers instead of grown up human beings.
I also get mad when people try to bend the rules in their favor, this in fact happens a lot in the community, but we don't know for a fact that it's what happened here, so I'd say we stick to this very american concept of "innocent until proven guilty".
You show great passion when publicly destroying people who are consistently unmannered, and it would be nice if you used the same passion to defend people who still haven't been proven to be guilty in any reasonably believable way.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On June 30 2009 10:40 Malinor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2009 10:30 Rekrul wrote:
Thats why people like me, who actually understand this, get fucking mad when these little faggot gamers act like little faggot gamers instead of grown up human beings.
Basically, anyone viewing the case differently (not to mention nearly noone has first hand information in the first place) is a "fucking idiot" who just does not understand. Speaking of understanding, try again to comprehend that maybe there is a tiny chance that someone is really pissed at an organization, and his actions are not only directed towards the fact that he did not get a free win. I am not sure you should be judging who is a "grown up human being".
HOW FUCKING DARE THEY TRY TO RUN A TOURNAMENT ONLINE AND ALLOW PEOPLE FOR FREE GIVING THEM THE CHANCE AT TV TIME ON GOM AND CASH PRIZES
HOW DARE THEY DO THAT AND THEN MAKE A LITTLE MISTAKE AND FIX IT
HOW DARE YOU VALOR, U SHOULD BE FUCKING ASHAMED OF URSELF, DO US FOREIGNERS ALL A BIG FAVOR AND JUST GO AWAY AND NEVER COME BACK U PATHETIC ORGANIZATION
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/facepalm at the amount of retards in this thread...
this entire drama stems from 2 root cause:
i) Valor is run by an inexperienced admin, and thus an error in judgement and decision has been made.
ii) Strelok, knowingly that the game is even and no victor are decided yet, agreed on allowing Fenix to forfeit a game and thus stealing a win from fenix. Anyone with any decent sense would've propose a rematch right away after the game got disconnected.
now maybe strelok didn't realise that lipton is not knowledge-able enough to make fair decision in a SC tourney, regardless if strelok were a good sport and proposed a rematch instantly after the game got disconnected we wouldn't have these dramas now..
now that the tourney admins has admitted their errors in decision and ruled out their initial judgement which was totally unfair and unjustified, strelok comes QQ-ing about what bullcrap "final decision"? he knew the decision was unfair, he took the advantage and stole a free win, and when a re-game is requested strelok just quits because of his free win got taken away?
seriously, and he comes here to rant about professionalism? what a pathetic joke...
he just completely shat on the face on tasteless and SDM that were helping to promote e-sports and gives all the foreign players a chance to get air-time...
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On June 30 2009 10:45 LG)Sabbath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2009 10:30 Rekrul wrote:
Maybe he didn't try but even just passively agreeing with a very unfair referee decision in your favor is cheating. He sat on his ass for 5 days waiting and hoping for his freebee until Artosis came around and fixed the situation.
Do you have the replay? Otherwise if SDM didn't even watch the replay, I don't know where you got the "unfair" qualification from. Post the replay and we'll see. He did say he thought he was ahead in the game. In any case the option of 0-1 was not offered, despite Fenix asking for it. If things are the way you paint them, then I'd agree with all of what you said, but it seems you're just taking huge guesses here. Also I don't see how "he sat on his ass for 5 days" couldn't just be something you pulled out of your ass, as noone knows what goes inside Strelok's head, and we hardly have any idea about what he did in those 5 days. If we're going to go by his record, he is known for being one of the most mannered top players around, so I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.Show nested quote +On June 30 2009 10:30 Rekrul wrote:
Thats why people like me, who actually understand this, get fucking mad when these little faggot gamers act like little faggot gamers instead of grown up human beings.
I also get mad when people try to bend the rules in their favor, this in fact happens a lot in the community, but we don't know for a fact that it's what happened here, so I'd say we stick to this very american concept of "innocent until proven guilty".You show great passion when publicly destroying people who are consistently unmannered, and it would be nice if you used the same passion to defend people who still haven't been proven to be guilty in any reasonably believable way.
We have different view points. In my eyes the fact that he didn't step up and just be like "yo yo yo no thats okay admins whats fair is fair lets just replay it" makes him VERY GUILTY. But then again I like to hold people to a higher standard so I dunno! I'm not making huge guesses.
Even if Strelok had a slight advantage and he's right it doesn't even matter. Theres absolutely no way it was anything but a re-game situation as Artosis said it was. I mean if you can't take a kid whos life was 7 years of starcraft in the attic and then finally achieved his dream living in Korea working to help promote starcraft e-sports in every way possible's word for it then who the fuck are you going to listen to.
LMAO.
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On June 30 2009 10:46 Rekrul wrote:
HOW FUCKING DARE THEY TRY TO RUN A TOURNAMENT ONLINE AND ALLOW PEOPLE FOR FREE GIVING THEM THE CHANCE AT TV TIME ON GOM AND CASH PRIZES
Giving stuff away for free doesn't excuse doing a lousy job, if that's the case.
Especially not when one of the tournament organizers spent an entire hour ranting about the lack of professionalism in our community on live TV in one of the previous games.
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