EPTif certain admins of this site didn't have such hubris this community would be so much stronger.
[Valor] Strelok Statement - Page 10
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fffff5
Australia1 Post
if certain admins of this site didn't have such hubris this community would be so much stronger. | ||
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5unrise
New Zealand646 Posts
On June 30 2009 10:30 Rekrul wrote: No, it's you that is misunderstanding. What Strelok is saying NOW doesn't matter. Fact of the matter is when it did happen Strelok tried to get the 1-1 or 0-0. Maybe he didn't try but even just passively agreeing with a very unfair referee decision in your favor is cheating. He sat on his ass for 5 days waiting and hoping for his freebee until Artosis came around and fixed the situation. And as I mentioned just before it wasn't them making him wait, but him making them wait by not replying to his email. If he was such a mannered player he would have said "No, screw that, whats fair is to just re-game it." But he didn't...what he says is BS, his actions have shown his true character. Hopefully he'll learn from this. Now he's trying to flip it around and act like he has been done a terrible misjustice simply because he had to wait for 5 days for the correct and honorable decision to be made. Even saying he's gunna drop out of the tournament because of it (lol). If you can't understand how pathetic all of that is then you're a fucking idiot. Dude just because someone doesn't agree with you, on a pretty controversial matter, doesn't make them a fucking idiot... I'm more inclined to agree with you though that common-sense should prevail if even over regulation that doesn't make sense. | ||
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LG)Sabbath
Argentina3024 Posts
On June 30 2009 10:50 Rekrul wrote: Even if Strelok had a slight advantage and he's right it doesn't even matter. Theres absolutely no way it was anything but a re-game situation as Artosis said it was. I mean if you can't take a kid whos life was 7 years of starcraft in the attic and then finally achieved his dream living in Korea working to help promote starcraft e-sports in every way possible's word for it then who the fuck are you going to listen to. LMAO. rofl yeah Artosis does a great job imo, too bad the first decision wasn't made by him, would have saved people all this trouble | ||
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gumbum8
United States721 Posts
both Strelok and Artosis both stopped posting a long time ago, and they were the only ones who really brought any meaning to this thread. Trust me, i know shit when i see it, I've made at least 3 threads that were closed in a day (and spent weeks dying a slow and painful internet death). Why is everyone a dick online? There are better ways to express your opinion than calling people fucking stupid. Both these people have decent points, and obviously they would have made different decisions in the same situation. Why does every dissagreement have to be stardrama? 5 sentences, 2 rhetorical questions, & 1 point in this post. | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On June 30 2009 11:17 gumbum8 wrote: 5 sentences, 2 rhetorical questions, & 1 point in this post. LOLOLOLL | ||
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ZeitgeistMovie
144 Posts
On June 30 2009 10:53 fffff5 wrote: apparently if you're a teamliquid admin you're allowed to flood the forum with shitty troll posts. if certain admins of this site didn't have such hubris this community would be so much stronger. You're right but you worded it wrong. They have a strong, but small community. That's what happens when there is social stratification, classes, if you will. It's like the Amish people, every strong and tight-knit, but very small. | ||
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Byo
Canada209 Posts
The onus of making such decision lies solely on the admins and those running the tournment, And once that decision is made, than its final. If the strelok played any role in influencing the ref's decision, then it was the ref that was unprofessional, he should know full well whose interest strelok was looking after. If you want to talk professionalism, quiting isn't part of it. | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On June 30 2009 10:53 fffff5 wrote: apparently if you're a teamliquid admin you're allowed to flood the forum with shitty troll posts. if certain admins of this site didn't have such hubris this community would be so much stronger. blow it out your ass  i like how the teamliquid mod staff's relatively hands-off approach to retarded nonkorean sc drama is always somehow blamed for the plight of the community | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On June 30 2009 11:21 ZeitgeistMovie wrote: You're right but you worded it wrong. They have a strong, but small community. That's what happens when there is social stratification, classes, if you will. It's like the Amish people, every strong and tight-knit, but very small. this is true to an extent but you'll notice that the only people banned in here are that guy who blames tl admins for everything, and that guy who quoted a warning i posted and said "QFT" (and he's only temp banned for two days) that is definitely not par for the course and if you actually spend some time around here you'll see that threads about retarded nonkorean sc drama do not represent the way tl's forums function on the whole some people never get that far, they just go to gg.net and blame the tl admins for everything forever | ||
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peidongyang
Canada2084 Posts
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
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Inzek
Chile802 Posts
but i also think his reaction was maybe too strong, i mean he should note that he is against the second "final" decision, or with whole process, play win or lose, etc... never come back, but leaving in the middle of the tourney is disrespectful for averyone (even if he thinks he was not respected too)... fenix could do some fair play too giving up game 2, but maybe thats too much... | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On June 30 2009 12:58 Inzek wrote: im with strelok (in his complains)... even if the first "final" decision was wrong, admins cant go changing their decision. but i also think his reaction was maybe too strong, i mean he should note that he is against the second "final" decision, or with whole process, play win or lose, etc... never come back, but leaving in the middle of the tourney is disrespectful for averyone (even if he thinks he was not respected too)... fenix could do some fair play too giving up game 2, but maybe thats too much... back to gg.net! | ||
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xbarisg
United States14 Posts
fenix wins game 1 fenix d/c game 2 judges/dlee rule strelok victory fenix/strelok play game 3, strelok wins 5 days later judges reverse the ruling (presumably b/c fenix took exception to the game 2 ruling) after consulting with artosis and say series should be replayed starting from game 2 strelok says no either we start it all over or say i won game 2 or i quit. then he quits? was game 3 ever played? | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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Lamprey
United States4 Posts
Now whether Strelokk had a sizeable advantage or not is what is up for debate and none of us here have any idea if he did or not. It seems that Lipton and SDM felt that he did, but Artosis did not and convinced everyone else that the advantage was not big enough to warrant giving him the game and that it should be replayed. Then you throw in that SDM and Lipton told Strelok they had ruled in his favor for game 2 and then a few days later the decision is suddenly reversed and yea, you can understand why Strelok would be pissed. To argue that Strelok is trying to cheat or be amoral is simply garbage. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
On June 30 2009 10:12 Rekrul wrote: And if any of you were wondering. I just asked some people who know everything about the situation. Fact 1: Daniel Lee didn't even watch the replay. Fact 2: The reason why it was "FIVE DAYS" is because Strelok was at a LAN and didn't bother checking his email for that extent of time. WHATS UP NOW? rekrul you realize you could've just read the OP right? On June 29 2009 20:51 Strelok. wrote: I am public person. I have fans, haters, people who just follow my rezults. That's why i feel responsible to make such statement. I got trouble in my match against Fenix in Ro8 Valor. I don't want to explain the details of complaint fully, because i don't want flame war starting. Lipton, the main runner of the tournament got letters from both sides with all their arguments, after what he made "final decision". Fenix didn't like it and refused to accept it and continue series. I talked to Daniel Lee, the organizator of this tournament. He also agreed with my arguments and made his "final decision" which was nearly the same with Liptons one. Sounds very nice and professional, yeah? After that i went to Moscow to LAN finals for 2 days. I came back and saw the PM with Liptons words that he changes his "final decision" without having no new arguments or reasons. You know, i understand when girls in the shop, can't select between 2 dresses and change their decisions many times. But i really can't understand when serious men, professionals, change their decisions, "final decisions" as they call them, for many times. That is why i decided to drop off from the tournament. I drop off not because i think this decision is unfair (even though i think so), i drop because 2 from 3 "big bosses" of the professional tournament changed their final decision without having any new reasons or information in 5 days after making previous one. I feel sorry for people who wanted me to win and for people who just wanted to see good games between me and Fenix. I can only hope you will read my arguments and accept them. Eugin "Strelok" Oparyshev. I'd feel sorry for strelok regardless but.. he took the easy way out On June 29 2009 23:40 Strelok. wrote: I won't reply more in this thread, because i already said all i wanted to. | ||
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xbarisg
United States14 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On June 30 2009 13:28 Lamprey wrote: Makes perfect sense why it should be 1-1 and even 0-0 sort of makes sense. Strelok had an advantage in game 2 and Fenix D/Cs. Maybe Fenix D/Cs because he is losing? Who knows. Regardless, if Strelok had a advantage it is logical that the game should go to him. Thus, 1-1 is plausible. However; 0-0 is essentially the same as 1-1, it is tied but because there was a D/C in game 2 it could make sense to just start over at 0-0 and do a new Bo3 instead of making it 1-1 and having a single deciding game next as game 2 is a bit ambiguous. Now whether Strelokk had a sizeable advantage or not is what is up for debate and none of us here have any idea if he did or not. It seems that Lipton and SDM felt that he did, but Artosis did not and convinced everyone else that the advantage was not big enough to warrant giving him the game and that it should be replayed. Then you throw in that SDM and Lipton told Strelok they had ruled in his favor for game 2 and then a few days later the decision is suddenly reversed and yea, you can understand why Strelok would be pissed. To argue that Strelok is trying to cheat or be amoral is simply garbage. You assume so much in your reasoning. SDM was a coach for a progaming team, I would think he would know if the game was favored one way or the other. If he made the final decision ofc. The point is we don't know what happened game 2 so we can't assume why their made their decisions and why they changed. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On June 29 2009 20:51 Strelok. wrote:I got trouble in my match against Fenix in Ro8 Valor. I don't want to explain the details of complaint fully, because i don't want flame war starting. Lipton, the main runner of the tournament got letters from both sides with all their arguments, after what he made "final decision". Fenix didn't like it and refused to accept it and continue series. I talked to Daniel Lee, the organizator of this tournament. He also agreed with my arguments and made his "final decision" which was nearly the same with Liptons one. Sounds very nice and professional, yeah? After that i went to Moscow to LAN finals for 2 days. I came back and saw the PM with Liptons words that he changes his "final decision" without having no new arguments or reasons. I know he won't post anymore here, but I really want to know what Strelok's "argument" was when he talked to Lipton and SDM. If the game really was indeed close as Artosis says, then Strelok basically bullshitted when he asked for the win. Seems to me Strelok lied, surprisingly go away with it(terrible decision by the judge), only to get caught later. Got pissed, threw a hissy fit, and quit. If so, Fenix deserves to move on and Strelok deserves to be out of the tournament. And all is well. | ||
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