EPT[Valor] Strelok Statement - Page 12
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Louder
United States2276 Posts
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VarsityUser
United States84 Posts
artosis and especially rekrul you both come off as VERY biased. artosis is basically purely defending his own decision. You agreed to run the Valor tournament as a team of admins, you can't change decisions of one admin when he has already told a player a result over 'X' amount of time. Its a pretty basic and logical equation, minus the biased rage you failed as admins, and now BOTH players are taking fault for it. | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
why would "bias" come into this at all that's such a copout | ||
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Aurious
Canada1772 Posts
ex. Ro8 Strelok beats Fenix Ro4 begins: Strelok vs X Admin: oh we fucked up replay vs Fenix Strelok: WTF, you made your decision Admin: Too bad go play... Now what would you do in this situation? I think it's kinda obvious. Admins admit they fucked up, but shouldn't punish the player they awarded with the "technical win" It was the admins who fucked up not the players so why should a player that was awarded by the admin have to pay for the admins poor decision? Fair Play? Yes, but at what cost towards the tournament as a whole? | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
If a decision is BAD ( as it seems the first decision was the bad one ) it is actually GOOD if the decision gets reversed. Thats exactly what happened , right ? It doesnt matter that much at all that it was called a ' final decision '. I mean would you find it good if someone gets the death penalty because it was the 'final decision' when he actually after weeks of proper research was found to be not guilty.. Guys just use your brain.. If the so called 'final decision' was bad, wrong, false, not the best ( name it however u want ) it is absolutely appropriate to change the decision.. and strelok using this as a reason to quit this tournament is in my opinion very childish and immature behaviour.. | ||
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KhaosKreator
Canada145 Posts
On June 30 2009 17:15 Louder wrote: Strelok has a valid complaint about a decision being changed days later after he was given a "final" decision from two of the three tournament administrators, regardless of whether the call itself was valid. It's a valid complaint, yes, but it doesn't mean that he should throw a temper tantrum about it. If Strelok does not want to play in a tournament where bad decisions are corrected, then he doesn't have to. He should drop out. And he is. So all is well.  @Aurious: That's a fair argument, but you should look at it from Fenix's side as well. An unfair decision is made, and Fenix doesn't make top 8 because of it. Then the unfair decision is miraculously fixed! And Leta doesn't get a game loss for typing ppp! This is a good thing! | ||
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AsianEcksDragon
United States1036 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10696 Posts
A: If Strelok had a CLEAR like in FUCKING CLEAR advantage over Fenix he should have gotten a win. B: Strelok had not that big of an advantage: Replay. C: Strelok is a nice guy: Replay. But it came out to D: Drama! | ||
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cHicKeLoR
Germany559 Posts
Strelok should not have quit. I see no reason (besides some which Rekrul already pointed out) for him to quit. Besides that... well there is not much to say... | ||
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Random()
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
That you had a "better position" in game 2 is not enough to give it to you, only if you had a very clear advantage (3 mining bases vs 1 or something of that sorts) then it should have been ruled in your favor. Your decision to drop out only makes it worse for people supporting you and cheering for you. | ||
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Not_A_Notion
Ireland441 Posts
On June 30 2009 17:40 MaGic~PhiL wrote: If a decision is BAD ( as it seems the first decision was the bad one ) it is actually GOOD if the decision gets reversed. Thats exactly what happened , right ? Exactly, being inert when it comes to bad decisions is always bad, though in reply to one point above by another if the decision had been made on say game #3 then it probably would not have been reversed if Strelok had played the RO 4 game, but that would be more because you've gone beyond the point of no return, not because it was the fair decision. Its understandable that Strelok is pissed off, that's only natural, but sh*t happens the decision doesn't stop Strelok from going out and 2-0ing Fenix to take it 2-1, if I was Strelok I'd rather try and do that than just let Fenix into the semis and potentially get prize money that I could have had. Off topic; White-Ra Vs Baby as the special match No effin way, can't wait | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On June 30 2009 19:20 Velr wrote: There are only 3 fair outcomes that could have been made: A: If Strelok had a CLEAR like in FUCKING CLEAR advantage over Fenix he should have gotten a win. B: Strelok had not that big of an advantage: Replay. C: Strelok is a nice guy: Replay. But it came out to D: Drama! "A" should be clarified as "fenix was in an unwinnable situation barring strelok getting up and walking away from his computer for the rest of the game" | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
On June 30 2009 20:43 keV. wrote: So, does like, everyone but me have a premium gom account =( nah i dont have one. glad i don't | ||
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Mongery
892 Posts
On June 30 2009 20:43 keV. wrote: So, does like, everyone but me have a premium gom account =( Its idiotic to have a gom account these days, why should we? | ||
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Kenny
United States678 Posts
It doesn't matter if Strelok received confirmation from 2 admins, fact is what he was asking for was ridiculous and as as player like himself who has played in SO many events, he should know this by now. | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On June 30 2009 10:17 Rekrul wrote: In life I surround myself only with people who have a real understanding of morals, ethics, trust, and common sense. Does not compute. ------ In other news, I lay fault on the organizers. The fact that Artosis had to step in to make sure this was sorted out is sad. | ||
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Mongery
892 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On June 30 2009 17:05 Game wrote: integrity? my ass, an entire tournaments integrity isnt at jeopardy because someone cries about a controversial decision in which both sides are wrong, but ultimately one of them makes it right. So you're saying you've never made a mistake and completely reversed it later? Did it take away your integrity? No, really let me know. I want to know how pitiful you are. Integrity, fuck off Completely irrelevant you crying prick. This is a major tournament that is widely advertised and endorsed by GOMTV. It ruins the integrity because days after the decision it was reversed - which makes it inherently unfair. There is no way you can continue playing that match and say that its fair at all because the situation has changed, the players have had more time to practice (or not practice because they may have been led to believe that it's over), etc.... Stop being such a fucking douchebag you arrogant ass. There's one big thing missing here (maybe I just didn't catch it): What actually happened? After the admins decision, did they play game 3? Or did Artosis come in right away and stop the whole thing? Because it seems like they should have played and there should have been results, which are very important to the discussion. | ||
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Epicfailguy
Norway893 Posts
You can blame it on professionalism or whatever you want, but I expected more from you. | ||
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