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mark05
Profile Joined March 2009
Canada807 Posts
June 30 2009 17:38 GMT
#241
that just put another shadow over a tournament that i dont even care about since i cant watch it lawl
yes, I'm MarkOhFive
errol1001
Profile Joined April 2008
454 Posts
June 30 2009 19:05 GMT
#242
On June 30 2009 23:42 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2009 19:20 Velr wrote:
There are only 3 fair outcomes that could have been made:

A: If Strelok had a CLEAR like in FUCKING CLEAR advantage over Fenix he should have gotten a win.

B: Strelok had not that big of an advantage: Replay.

C: Strelok is a nice guy: Replay.


But it came out to

D: Drama!


"A" should be clarified as "fenix was in an unwinnable situation barring strelok getting up and walking away from his computer for the rest of the game"


You mean like during nony vs f91 liquibition right?
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
June 30 2009 19:33 GMT
#243
Mark05, thank you, useless troll.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
June 30 2009 20:33 GMT
#244
I just wanna see the fucking matches. I don't care for all this nonsense.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
scwizard
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1195 Posts
June 30 2009 21:10 GMT
#245
Is this some ESPORTS?
Toxiferous
Profile Joined June 2009
United States388 Posts
July 01 2009 04:16 GMT
#246
On June 30 2009 17:21 VarsityUser wrote:
well its pretty obvious whats going on here. Nobody is right, its rules vs players vs player vs rules.

artosis and especially rekrul you both come off as VERY biased. artosis is basically purely defending his own decision.

You agreed to run the Valor tournament as a team of admins, you can't change decisions of one admin when he has already told a player a result over 'X' amount of time. Its a pretty basic and logical equation, minus the biased rage you failed as admins, and now BOTH players are taking fault for it.

it's a valid complaint and a valid solution.
There is nothing to be biased about.
Mazer
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada1086 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-01 05:05:04
July 01 2009 04:51 GMT
#247
I really hope you re-consider your decision to drop out... I'm sure you can beat Fenix twice and a lot of people are cheering for you. Really seems silly considering the situation.
renegade_zerg
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Korea (South)525 Posts
July 01 2009 09:13 GMT
#248
Can I take Streloks' place in the tournament?? I'm a C rank Zerg GOGO
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27151 Posts
July 01 2009 10:17 GMT
#249
Enough with the flaming in the topic. Thank you.
ModeratorGodfather
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
July 01 2009 10:37 GMT
#250
Sorry manifesto7
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
Not_A_Notion
Profile Joined May 2009
Ireland441 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-01 11:42:59
July 01 2009 10:44 GMT
#251
*link removed*


Edit
As per below.
My bad sorry Manifesto7
A worrying lack of anvils
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27151 Posts
July 01 2009 10:59 GMT
#252
On July 01 2009 19:44 Not_A_Notion wrote:
Tastelss Statement on the Issue on SCforAll

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=96656

Try looking at the forum first.
ModeratorGodfather
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-01 11:58:07
July 01 2009 11:54 GMT
#253
What are rules? why do we need them? why do people follow rules of a game? without rules people will allied mine, people will use wall hack, people will have 20k mineral 2 mins into the game, map hacks, wowwalker, D2bots, Rules are for the protection of something we call fair play.

Now in this situation, where the very same rules we put in places are impeding the "fair play" it is designed to protect. then the rules must be ignored in order to serve its original purpose: "protect fair play"

One situation in which we can all agree on is if Kesp reversed their decision on gorush for typing the wrong thing in game, admitted they made a mistake, because the rules are trying to promote fair play. screwing gorush out of their game was not fair play, since he did not lost the game fair and square.

Let's look at this similar e situation, if "final decision" is indeed a rule that designed to protects fair play, and that same very rule is impeding fair play then fuck the rules, change that final decision, and promote fair play.

Strelot you need to do some critical thinking before your actions, try to take emotion out of your decisions.

GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
July 01 2009 12:35 GMT
#254
Judges' decisions are not to be reversed after announcement.
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
July 01 2009 20:50 GMT
#255
It's the only fair decision I don't understand how it would be difficult to understand. Strelok you know better.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
Orbifold
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1922 Posts
July 02 2009 09:00 GMT
#256
On June 29 2009 20:51 Strelok. wrote:
You know, i understand when girls in the shop, can't select between 2 dresses and change their decisions many times. But i really can't understand when serious men, professionals, change their decisions, "final decisions" as they call them, for many times.


Strelok, this is unacceptable misogyny and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Your contention that it is wrong to reverse a poor decision is absurd. Should we hang an innocent man because a judge said his ruling was "final"? Kudos to Valor for correcting their mistake, accepting fault, and putting in the time and effort to hold this tournament in the first place.
Allow me to reintroduce myself...
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6179 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-02 09:10:12
July 02 2009 09:07 GMT
#257
fuck. sad that strelok decided to drop out
i hate valor tournament and daniel lee even more.
I used to like him but after him being such an unprofessional douche at the first round of VODded valor tour and now this... I don't enjoy gom matches anymore ;/

edit: i agree that if game is close, then its replay of that game.
but fuck no you don't go and change your final decisions ;/
5unrise
Profile Joined May 2009
New Zealand646 Posts
July 02 2009 09:16 GMT
#258
On July 01 2009 20:54 rei wrote:
What are rules? why do we need them? why do people follow rules of a game? without rules people will allied mine, people will use wall hack, people will have 20k mineral 2 mins into the game, map hacks, wowwalker, D2bots, Rules are for the protection of something we call fair play.

Now in this situation, where the very same rules we put in places are impeding the "fair play" it is designed to protect. then the rules must be ignored in order to serve its original purpose: "protect fair play"

One situation in which we can all agree on is if Kesp reversed their decision on gorush for typing the wrong thing in game, admitted they made a mistake, because the rules are trying to promote fair play. screwing gorush out of their game was not fair play, since he did not lost the game fair and square.

Let's look at this similar e situation, if "final decision" is indeed a rule that designed to protects fair play, and that same very rule is impeding fair play then fuck the rules, change that final decision, and promote fair play.

Strelot you need to do some critical thinking before your actions, try to take emotion out of your decisions.



Sage man, sage, everything I wanted to say
Vex
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Ireland454 Posts
July 02 2009 11:26 GMT
#259
On June 29 2009 23:16 Rekrul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2009 23:07 nebffa wrote:
On June 29 2009 22:47 Rekrul wrote:
Example 1:

I was playing in a poker tournament in Macau. I was going pretty far and had a big stack. I put out a huge bluff on this guy but he called me. I showed my hand. Then he showed me a hand that beat mine but then accidentally flipped it upside down and threw it into the muck. The rules state that if you do this your hand is dead. That means I win the hand. This pot was worth a lof of money in equity for me. One faggot kid chimed up and he's like "YO THATS UR POT MAN HE MUCKED IT." I looked at the kid like he was a fucking idiot. The dealer was trying to ship me the pot. "Give him the pot." I said. Kids like "no dude thats ur pot..."

"GIVE HIM THE FUCKKKKING POT."

The idiot that mucked his hand had no idea what was going on. But justice was had. I did not deserve those chips. He made the right call. Some other guy at the table said "WOW, respect." Just another day in the life.

Example 2:

Similar situaion. I called a huge turn bet with a straight flush draw (king jack high) on a QTssxx board and then missed on the the river. I checked and the other guy checked. I slammed my hand down face up as always do. He then just like insta mucked his hand. The dealer shipped me the pot then the guy (who is a genuinely nice guy) was like "OMG I HAD KJ TOO I THOUGHT U HAD SOMETHING BETTER BY THE WAY U FLIPPED UR HAND UP SO I JUST MUCKED."

I looked him in the eye, "are you serious?" "Yes!" He was not lying to me. I then counted the pot and gave him half of it.



BUT!!! I guess not everyone can be the man.


this thread is about how other people made wrong decisions, not about how much of a man you are


Wrong decisions were made. Wrong decisions were corrected and balance was restored. Now this little girl is whining.

While I do possess male genetalia and am a man, what I said is that I am THE man.


your grosely mis informed, you have very big problems dude.
"Bonjwa" is the most retarded word ever. Wtf does it even sound like.
Vex
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Ireland454 Posts
July 02 2009 14:53 GMT
#260
i think the 1-1 or start again was quite fair, because fenix seems like the kinda guy who would dis on purpose. (he spammed artosis) these kinda wankers do this kinda shit, its in their nature.

think about it, if he did, the 1-1 is diserved as strelok wins, so starting again is a viable option..
"Bonjwa" is the most retarded word ever. Wtf does it even sound like.
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