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blomsterjohn
Profile Joined June 2008
Norway466 Posts
July 02 2009 21:15 GMT
#261
rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
July 02 2009 21:48 GMT
#262
On July 03 2009 06:15 blomsterjohn wrote:
rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men


Rules are made to control us because without them, humanity would destroy itself.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
ggnet)mOnion
Profile Joined June 2009
United States72 Posts
July 02 2009 21:52 GMT
#263
i hope strelok replays the 2nd game and stuff and continues in the tournament, i think he's a standup guy and nick's tight too

not every admin in the business can be an sc pro, this is just one of those time unfortunately
KINETICAAAAAAAAAA
Adeny
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway1233 Posts
July 02 2009 22:18 GMT
#264
On July 03 2009 06:48 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2009 06:15 blomsterjohn wrote:
rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men


Rules are made to control us because without them, humanity would destroy itself.


That's exactly what he said.
No_eL
Profile Joined July 2007
Chile1438 Posts
July 03 2009 00:17 GMT
#265
very sad, i hate this kind of situation.. they are off the limits of the entertaining...

im really sorry about this i love the style of fenix and stelok, they are awesome players.
Beat after beat i will become stronger.
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
July 03 2009 01:32 GMT
#266
Seems to me like Strelok didn't have a problem with keeping quiet when he was about to receive a free win, and then went nuts when one of the most trusted and well known foreign Starcraft organizers made the right change. This "Final Decision" argument just seems weak, as well as the "5 Days" thing. I don't understand why he dropped out, that's basically giving Fenix a free win because he himself couldn't get one.
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
sCuMBaG
Profile Joined August 2006
United Kingdom1144 Posts
July 03 2009 15:10 GMT
#267
On June 29 2009 22:45 StorZerg wrote:
If a store asst manager (ie gamestop) prices a rock band kit for $25 instead of $200 they must sell it at that price. Store manager cannot say "ops miss priced" and put the correct sticker on. The store is obligated to sell the rock band kit at the marked price. (though the asst manager may get fired)


you're clearly wrong.

even something shown in a display-window with a price on it...
that's called an offer to commonality or something like that (right now i can't recall the english word for it)

which means he is not bound to it. even advertisement with a prize is not actually mandatory

he will say "sorry, that was a mistake... do you want your purchase anyways?"
and you will have to take it or leave it.

Strelok left it obviously
RA
Profile Joined October 2008
Latvia791 Posts
July 03 2009 15:12 GMT
#268
And the most stupid thing is that all of this could have been evaded. Strelok isn't competing, Fenix got a free win which isn't too entertaining game wise, unless you love the drama then it is entertaining. But the most important thing is that now someone will think worse of either Strelok, Artosis or anyone of the three or maybe all organizers of the Valor tournament.
I have my biases for quite some time (it wasn't like that but it changed because of minor things stacking up) and because of that I'm more behind Strelok.
errol1001
Profile Joined April 2008
454 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-03 16:17:09
July 03 2009 15:27 GMT
#269
Your opponent discs on you when you may have, what, an 80% chance to win. 80% of the time the first decision (to award the game to Strelok) is better. 20% of the time, the second decision (to make them replay the game) is better. If you want to bitch about anyone, how about Fenix, who is already up a game (a very lame game at that), going to artosis to try to get the decision reversed when he knew he was most likely going to lose?

Or, Maybe it was just a disc. with Strelok having only a 55% chance of winning. Then it would make sense to just make them replay the game.

The really important thing was how close that second game was. We were going to see it so we could decide on our own if that decision was good. But, they didn't show the game, which is really lame. It also makes it the first situation (Strelok getting screwed) look more likely.

ED: Ok, I watched Artosis' state of the game explanation. Too close to call, and it was definitely more like oh, Strelok might have a 55% chance of winning, so the right decision was made in the end.
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-03 15:41:44
July 03 2009 15:40 GMT
#270
nm
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27154 Posts
July 03 2009 15:44 GMT
#271
On July 04 2009 00:40 Foucault wrote:
nm


Probably a good call.
ModeratorGodfather
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-03 15:48:11
July 03 2009 15:46 GMT
#272
On July 04 2009 00:44 Manifesto7 wrote:
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On July 04 2009 00:40 Foucault wrote:
nm


Probably a good call.


Yeah, although I still think it was retarded but oh well

I didn't have the energy to write it more eloquently and thus I abandoned the post.
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
swat
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Australia142 Posts
July 03 2009 16:20 GMT
#273
Is it just me or even if they said "our decision is..." rather than "our final decision is..." then went and changed it as they did, Sterlok would still be angry about it all? /shrug...
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
July 03 2009 16:23 GMT
#274
On July 04 2009 01:20 swat wrote:
Is it just me or even if they said "our decision is..." rather than "our final decision is..." then went and changed it as they did, Sterlok would still be angry about it all? /shrug...


The wording is pretty important though.
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
July 03 2009 16:33 GMT
#275
I just watched the Artosis overview of the last second of the disconnect game. Strelok has an advantage, but it's clear that Fenix could've come back, and it wasn't a sure thing. It should've been replayed.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10011 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-03 17:25:15
July 03 2009 16:59 GMT
#276
sorry but after watching this: http://www.scforall.com/sctv/sc_tv01.asp?mNum=s03&movNum=307
strelok had a clear advantage, from a p users point of view this is how i see it; fenix didnt have alot of probes, 70% of his probes arnt mining, strelok has the upg+unit advantage and his eco+tech is kicked in, fenix has all his units scattered around the map, strelok's 4th cc is about to finish so he was going to setup on the expansion close to fenix's double exp on the bottom left side of the map(fenix wouldnt be able to defend the push through the bridges and his arb tech is way too weak, plus with his new exp almost done strelok would have easily been able to turret up the bridge area and setup a strong push), also from personal experience this would have been the perfect situation for t to attack because p's scattered all across the map and is distracted, strelok is about to exp on the 9oclock base so for sure hes going to be moving out in that area, also fenix's probes arnt mining so his eco isnt going to be strong in the early stages so even if(IF which i cant see that happening) he manages to hold off streloks attack strelok is going to be able to reinforce his army alot faster than fenix, the only thing i would have liked to see is t's factory count and how many addons he had but it wasnt shown ;/

fenix's eco wouldnt have kicked in before t's rush, this situation on a different map is debatable but on desti i dont like fenix's position, however seeing as it is bw and that anything could happen the ruling i would have given would have had to do with whoever disced, if strelok disced the game would have been replayed but if fenix disced i would have given the win to strelok (i still have no idea which player disced)

edit: i didnt mention this on purpose but you also have to take into account that fenix didnt have anything to defend his bottom left exp when his probes were afked on his geyser, not only didnt he have an ob to see the vults moving out(he wouldnt have had time to move his probes) but he also doesnt have any units around his exp, i didnt mention this because when theres a disc you cant assume what is going to happen, but each coin has two sides so you have to look at both possibilities (one is strelok doesnt notice anything and keeps his vult in his base and the other is he notices it and harasses it, however in this situation if your in fenix's position then your relying on a luck factor)
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n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
July 03 2009 18:08 GMT
#277
On June 30 2009 05:43 AttackZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2009 05:18 Wurzelbrumpft wrote:
maybe the game was even at that point, but that can still mean that it is heavily in favour of one person over the other. i dont have facts, but strelok may have played fenix often and knows that he wont lose in the later stages of the game. After all fenix is known for being a cheesy faggot

What the fuck is trash like this doing posting here?


Hmmn, is it just me or is thread exceptionally bad? I agree with attackzergs comments.
MyLove + Your Love= Supa Love
Perguvious
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1783 Posts
July 04 2009 10:23 GMT
#278
strelok probably reads every single one of these posts.

hehehee.
SweetNJoshSauce
Profile Joined July 2010
United States468 Posts
March 06 2019 21:01 GMT
#279
There's been some new developments with information regarding the Valor Tournament, and I'm ready to share my findings. After conducting a number of interviews over the last 10 years I've methodically gotten to the bottom of the issue, and long story short, both Artosis and Strelok have good points and the actual conflict lies more in a grey area than a black and white one. I'll be formatting my post here in a second so that the information and evidence presented here is readable and comprehensive. Stay tuned!
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
March 06 2019 21:07 GMT
#280
On March 07 2019 06:01 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:
There's been some new developments with information regarding the Valor Tournament, and I'm ready to share my findings. After conducting a number of interviews over the last 10 years I've methodically gotten to the bottom of the issue, and long story short, both Artosis and Strelok have good points and the actual conflict lies more in a grey area than a black and white one. I'll be formatting my post here in a second so that the information and evidence presented here is readable and comprehensive. Stay tuned!


I'm staying tuned
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
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