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I am public person. I have fans, haters, people who just follow my rezults. That's why i feel responsible to make such statement.
I got trouble in my match against Fenix in Ro8 Valor. I don't want to explain the details of complaint fully, because i don't want flame war starting. Lipton, the main runner of the tournament got letters from both sides with all their arguments, after what he made "final decision". Fenix didn't like it and refused to accept it and continue series. I talked to Daniel Lee, the organizator of this tournament. He also agreed with my arguments and made his "final decision" which was nearly the same with Liptons one. Sounds very nice and professional, yeah? After that i went to Moscow to LAN finals for 2 days. I came back and saw the PM with Liptons words that he changes his "final decision" without having no new arguments or reasons.
You know, i understand when girls in the shop, can't select between 2 dresses and change their decisions many times. But i really can't understand when serious men, professionals, change their decisions, "final decisions" as they call them, for many times. That is why i decided to drop off from the tournament. I drop off not because i think this decision is unfair (even though i think so), i drop because 2 from 3 "big bosses" of the professional tournament changed their final decision without having any new reasons or information in 5 days after making previous one. I feel sorry for people who wanted me to win and for people who just wanted to see good games between me and Fenix. I can only hope you will read my arguments and accept them.
Eugin "Strelok" Oparyshev.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Fair enough Strelok, sound reasoning
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I don't know situation exactly, but it seems you are having your point here - changing decision by admin when one was took already sounds very unprofessional to me as well.
Sad to hear you were dedicated to this tournament but had no chance to proove it in a game.
Regards,
Maciej "Raven" Polak
http://www.terran.pl/tv/
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On June 29 2009 20:51 Strelok. wrote:
But i really can't understand when serious men, professionals, change their decisions, "final decisions" as they call them, for many times. That is why i decided to drop off from the tournament. I drop off not because i think this decision is unfair (even though i think so), i drop because 2 from 3 "big bosses" of the professional tournament changed their final decision without having any new reasons or information.
Yeah I think it would be hard to find someone who is really a professional admin in the gaming community, most tourney organizers are just amateurs pretending to be professionals. Last year in my country the WCG was cancelled 2-3 days before the final tourney, so yeah, people pretend to be professionals in the gaming community. We got like 3 or 4 cancelled WCGs here so i'ts a common thing.
I'm glad you stick to your principles, I think it's important for top players to do so, it's the only way things will change. I don't know the details of your case but if you are right, then I hope more players also quit, it's just a tourney anyway, there will be many more, but if people just accept crap, then that becomes the standard eventually (like it happened here with WCG, people just accept it and it keeps happening).
Good luck man and if it means anything, I think your attitude towards the game and scene make you an admirable player.
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Belgium9953 Posts
Hmm now I'm curious what the debate was about.
Certainly sounds like Lipton fucked you over.
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Sad story. But Strelok is right.
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On June 29 2009 21:06 RaGe wrote:
Hmm now I'm curious what the debate was about.
Certainly sounds like Lipton fucked you over.
i am also curious.
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who cares what the debate was about.
the point is that when you run a tournament. you dont change your call two days later without some new information like "hack evidence in replay after further analyisis" or something.
Somber eloquence from Strelok.
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i fully agreed with you... when this happens im also get so angry
well, minus one Terran player.. =(
good luck Strelok, and keep it up with this attitude
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Its ridiculous for them to have changed their decision for no good reason after 5 days but to be honest I think you should continue the tournament. You may not like everything that happens to you but why give it all up when you worked so hard to be there? I don't think they should be allowed the ability to dictate whether you play or not. Of course I don't know all the details but I hope you reconsider.
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
The unprofessional thing was the decision. Fenix approached me and told me what Lipton's decision was, and it was clearly wrong. For this reason I spoke to those in charge and fixed it.
Here's what happened.
Game 1: Fenix wins.
Game 2: at 15 minutes, the game is very close, and someone disconnects.
Original decision made by admins:
"Either replay BOTH games, or be 1-1 and play game 3."
When I heard of this, after watching the replay of game 2, it was clearly wrong. Infact, it might be one of the worst decisions I have EVER seen. For this reason I made a fuss on Fenix's behalf to make sure that the right outcome came out of it. The outcome is obvious. Replay game 2. This is the ONLY way to solve this situation. Personally, I don't care if Lipton, a non-SC player made some shit decision and it got reversed. Its GOOD that it got reversed. Lipton is trying his best, but he doesn't understand competitive SC.
In summary: replay game 2. If you stand against this because an ignorant admin ruled differently at first, then you don't respect Fenix and you don't respect fair play. May the best player win, not the one lucky enough to get a bad admin to make poor decisions in his favor.
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Strelok and White-ra are always sheer class and mannered.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On June 29 2009 21:31 Artosis wrote:
Here's what happened.
Game 1: Fenix wins.
Game 2: at 15 minutes, the game is very close, and someone disconnects.
Original decision made by admins:
"Either replay BOTH games, or be 1-1 and play game 3."
LOL no wonder Strelok didn't want to talk about the decision.
Was the game really that close? No way Strelok was ahead in game 2?
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the valor drama continues!
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On June 29 2009 21:40 lazz wrote:
the valor drama continues!
Without IdramA for a change!
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The admin did have enough information about this game. If he needed help - he could ask you Artosis, Daniel Lee or any other starcraft man. He decided that his opinion is enough. Daniel Lee watched replays and agreed with his opinion. I would agree with his decision 0-1 and replay second game IF it wasn't made week after but immediatly You, Artosis, probably think you better understand starcraft then me, Daniel Lee and Lipton. It's your right. But you can't agree that people, especially referees, have to respond for their words. Otherwise noone will trust them.
As you see, i don't want to prove my point of view about game chances in game 2, simply because i don't want to start flame war, even though i really had better position.
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Why would they replay the 1st game too?
I have not seen game 2, but why woulnt they just replay the game by their own if the disconnect was not a ragequit?
i would really really like to see game2 so i can
a) support strelok since he should not have to replay an already won game
b) flame strelok for killing the reputation of the ill born valor tourney
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Regardless of situation, admin was in the wrong. If your going to be Running a tournament, and you don't know what your doing talk with someone. Don't just make random decisions and then contradick your own words. Makes you look like an ass and makes the players look like ass'
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On June 29 2009 21:42 Strelok. wrote:
You, Artosis, probably think you better understand starcraft then me, Daniel Lee and Lipton.
What an unfair thing to say.
EDIT: especially since Artosis worked with Daniel Lee at scforall for a period of time.
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