[Valor] Strelok Statement - Page 8

On June 30 2009 00:32 WeakTuna wrote:
I always wondered why does player with big "name", such has reckrul, artosis etc never get temp ban ( or maybe they are some time, but i never saw it). It's that i dont find their post funny or anything, but some time i think they turn some post in huge drama storry and find it sad (funny but sad) And btw Happy birthday reckrul.

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On June 30 2009 06:50 LG)Sabbath wrote:

childish as opposed to your one-line flame-post which is an example of maturity, am I right?

On June 30 2009 08:00 fast ball player wrote:
No one knows shit who hasnt watched game 2. Period. If it was really too close to call, then bad luck replay the game. If Strelok had a lock on the game, give it to him. If it was 66% or 75% in Strelok's favor but still could go either way then it's hard to make a fair decision and I'd probably take into account which player disconnected.

I am sympathetic to Strelok, as I have dealt with SC tournaments run by idiots, and you definitely should be able to consider the matter closed once the big guy in charge says a final decision has been made. Goes to show how video games still get no respect and trying to play them seriously is pretty much a waste of time. Such things would never happen in ping pong or snooker let alone soccer or basketball.

On June 30 2009 08:25 NovaTheFeared wrote:
It's no wonder Strelok didn't want to go into the details of the situation, since he wasn't man enough to do the right thing and insist on a rematch for the 2nd game. Instead he tried to steal a game from a bad ref decision.

On June 30 2009 08:30 SiGurD wrote:


Think out of his situation, what would you have done?

On June 30 2009 00:45 LG)Sabbath wrote:

I love it when someone lists their own opinion as a fact... It almost makes them sound reasonable.

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People must have missed it when strelok said that he would have accepted 0-1 if that had been the decision in the first place.

Also, 1 week (really?) of training for a tourney and then all your time spent goes to the toilet when the admins change their decision... I guess Strelok's time must not be worth much to you guys!

ps. oh shit rekrul drama inserted into thread, AND he whines about strelok adding drama to the issue... world explodes

On June 30 2009 08:58 {88}iNcontroL wrote:


Oh you nailed me man! The fact that it is my opinion and I claimed that my opinion coincided with a fact suddenly debunks my point! Brilliant dude.. truly brilliant.

Alternatively.. how about SURE they are not "facts" in the strictest sense.. but they are logical and probably descriptions of the events done in a applicable fashion.

Artosis made the right call. That has been held up in almost every fucking tourney that is reputable in the history of bw. If a game is close, you replay it when the unfortunate events occurs like a disconnect. You don't arbitrarily give a win or reward the player "refusing to regame."

On June 30 2009 09:27 Chanted wrote:
First off, why blame Strelok here, blame Valor adminstaff. I completely understand where Strelok is coming from, and I think he is doing the right thing here. Its easy to sit there and say, "oh stop being a crybaby and just play the game" and so on, but most of you are ignorant to the underlying issues here.
From reading this situation, most likely Fenix is the one who disconnected. Otherwise, I doubt Strelok would make a complaint about replaying that game. Secondly, Strelok obviously thought he had the advantage of the game, and if I thought I had a good advantage of the game, and the other guy disconnects, damn sure I would fight for my rights.

Now, Strelok a really good player seems to think that he has the advantage in this game, so does SDM, a headcoach for Estro, and he has been in the scene way longer then Artosis or anyone else on this site.
And there is Artosis, who is saying that the advantage isnt clear, and NOBODY seems to doubt that, or even think that he can be wrong. It`s a fucking joke, that is what that is. If Strelok can be wrong, so can Artosis, but I really hope this replay finds it way to the public, so we all can see and judge for ourselves.

Really unfortunate for the credability of Valor tournement. Head admin makes a decision, gets disputed, second Headadmin if we can call SDM that, comes and supports that decision. Anywhere else, iccup/wgtour etc, this would be a FINAL decision, as in Final, Finito, 1-1 and go for last game. But here, Fenix complains to someone OUTSIDE the tournement staff, actually leaking the replay somewhat, and is probably breakin the Valor rule allready here. Then this person OUTSIDE the Valor staff, overwrites 2 admins, its just ridicolous. Whether the decision to change this is right or not, this is unacceptable. Valor allowing themselves to be stepped upon like that just goes to show how little balls they have to stand by their decisions.

I see where Artosis is coming from, if he believes that the decision is wrong, and nobody had the advantage, I think I would probably do what he did, and try to get it changed, so he has Balls
Strelok is standing by principles, not letting Valor jerk him anymore around, even if it costs him his participation in Valor, and probably even a cashprize, since he could very well beat Fenix 2-0 now, and then his next opponent, so he has Balls
Valor, making a decision, then getting it backed up by another admin, only to have it reverted from someone OUTSIDE of their staff, simply lack balls and now credibility

On June 29 2009 21:31 Artosis wrote:
The unprofessional thing was the decision. Fenix approached me and told me what Lipton's decision was, and it was clearly wrong. For this reason I spoke to those in charge and fixed it.

Here's what happened.
Game 1: Fenix wins.
Game 2: at 15 minutes, the game is very close, and someone disconnects.

Original decision made by admins:
"Either replay BOTH games, or be 1-1 and play game 3."

When I heard of this, after watching the replay of game 2, it was clearly wrong. Infact, it might be one of the worst decisions I have EVER seen. For this reason I made a fuss on Fenix's behalf to make sure that the right outcome came out of it. The outcome is obvious. Replay game 2. This is the ONLY way to solve this situation. Personally, I don't care if Lipton, a non-SC player made some shit decision and it got reversed. Its GOOD that it got reversed. Lipton is trying his best, but he doesn't understand competitive SC.

In summary: replay game 2. If you stand against this because an ignorant admin ruled differently at first, then you don't respect Fenix and you don't respect fair play. May the best player win, not the one lucky enough to get a bad admin to make poor decisions in his favor.

On June 30 2009 09:41 Rekrul wrote:


I love how all these nerds come in here and try to talk about the situation "logically." You're all idiots.

This slight fuck-up in Valor almost did Strelok a huge favor. Now that it's reversed it's back to even. He has nothing to be pissed about.

It's like my son's weekly allowance is 10$ but then I accidentally give him an 100$ bill. I then later count the money in my wallet and ask him "SON DID I GIVE YOU 10 OR 100?" he then says "10$" then I search his pockets, find the 100$, spank him for being a bad boy, then give him his 10$. But then the kid gets angry and throws the 10$ on the ground and says "I DONT WANT IT!!"

Guess there'll be no new legos for Strelok to build this week!

On June 30 2009 09:56 eXigent. wrote:


OR....you could of read streloks post properly, and realized that he was mostly mad/upset because it took them FIVE DAYS to reverse their decision. He already said in his post that he would of gladly took the 0-1 and replayed it on the spot. Go back and read it, just so it sinks in before you start another random flame based off of a twisted personal opinion. As a matter of fact, why are soo many people stating that he just wanted the win? let me repeat what he said earlier...

He is pissed that it took them 5 days to change their mind. So, due to this lack of professionalism , he has decided to withdraw. It's that simple. Thats it, nothing more. You cannot create the arguement that he wanted the win...when he clearly fucking said he was fine with the 0-1.

You may think someone's an idiot for approaching this "logically" (rofl?) but how are you not one for approaching it full of bullshit?

On June 30 2009 10:00 Rekrul wrote:


OH NOES I SAT IN MY ROOM JERKING OFF WITH A LEATHER BELT FOR FIVE DAYS SRAIGHT DESPERATELY AWAITING THE MODS FINAL DECISION TO BE FINALIZED I WAS ON THE EDGE OF MY SEAT EATING DORITOS DIPPING THEM IN KETCHUP BECAUSE I HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS GOING ON I REFUSED ANY SOCIAL CONTACT AND I EVEN CALLED MY MOM A DUMB BITCH FOR EVEN INSINUATING THAT I SHOULD EAT A REAL MEAL, HOW DARE THE ADMINS DO THIS TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!