EPTOn June 30 2009 01:15 JWD wrote:
manner thong
manner thong
Sounds painful.
[Valor] Strelok Statement - Page 6
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jtype
England2167 Posts
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caelym
United States6421 Posts
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Nylan
United States795 Posts
On June 30 2009 01:23 caelym wrote: Strelok made the right choice. The foreigner community lets bad decisions like this slide way too often, and it hurts our professionalism. Esports really shouldn't be like a private lan where friends can just get together and make a compromise after a "final" ruling has been made. Judges make bad calls all the time in other professions, and they have to live with it. Why is the Valor tournament any different? Judges don't usually have lots of time to make the right decision, and keeping game flow is highly important. | ||
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LG)Sabbath
Argentina3022 Posts
On June 30 2009 01:29 Nylan wrote: Judges don't usually have lots of time to make the right decision, and keeping game flow is highly important. you must not play on clan leagues a lot... what with the 3 hour long clanwars when admins get involved... I sometimes get nightmares from that | ||
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B1nary
Canada1267 Posts
On June 30 2009 00:46 -StrifeX- wrote: All the big names rarely get banned. It's an admin decision. I also believe rekrul might still be an admin. I know he was at one time. Rek has been temp banned before for shitting on Plexa ^^ | ||
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blipster8
United States71 Posts
On June 30 2009 01:00 Klive5ive wrote: The only information I need is that Strelok was offered 1-1 and took it. Any respectable player would have declined immediately and asked for a re-game. I mean, I'd hope it's pretty obvious that the dispute is over whether Strelok had an advantage in game 2? The initial decision was that he was ahead by enough to justify giving him the game, which was evidently what he believed. It's not like people were considering just handing him the game for no reason. As for Strelok's reaction: I would be annoyed if someone had at first judged me to be ahead by enough to warrant playing from 1-1, and then later changed his mind and taken the game away. I'm not claiming that I would lnecessarily eave the tournament over it, but... it would suck, right? My impression is that no one's being deliberately bm about this; given the reputations of the people in question, it seems most likely Strelok and the judges honestly thought he had the advantage and Artosis honestly doesn't agree. In any case: debating the decision itself in this thread is fairly pointless, because the whole issue hinges on whether Strelok was in fact considerably ahead in game 2, or whether the game was even enough to require replaying. Since the replay hasn't been released, none of us can know, and hence none of us could possibly know what the right decision should have been. | ||
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Strayline
United States330 Posts
On June 30 2009 02:34 blipster8 wrote: In any case: debating the decision itself in this thread is fairly pointless, because the whole issue hinges on whether Strelok was in fact considerably ahead in game 2, or whether the game was even enough to require replaying. Since the replay hasn't been released, none of us can know, and hence none of us could possibly know what the right decision should have been. Yeah this was basically my take. | ||
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Toxiferous
United States388 Posts
It sucks on both ends. Only fair way to do it is replay the game. No reason to dismiss the chance at 1000$ just because a bit of unprofessionalism on their part. Just replay the game, imo  | ||
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LG)Sabbath
Argentina3022 Posts
On June 30 2009 01:00 Klive5ive wrote: In any case: debating the decision itself in this thread is fairly pointless, because the whole issue hinges on whether Strelok was in fact considerably ahead in game 2, or whether the game was even enough to require replaying. Since the replay hasn't been released, none of us can know, and hence none of us could possibly know what the right decision should have been. I don't think this thread was made for discussion, but rather as a last resort that Strelok is using to try to solve the issue. And by "issue" I mean the recurring lack of professionalism in non-korean tournaments, which ironically was pointed out by SDM himself. | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
On June 30 2009 00:40 pokerface wrote: OMG ur such a genius!! :D This post made my day,even better than the whole thread hahahah glad i could help | ||
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
If my government actually made a mistake and sent me 20,000 dollars for taxes instead of 200 and then later fixed the mistake would I have any right to that money or to being upset? Yes its annoying that Valor is a complete crap tournament and is being run worse then most of the tournaments put out by community sites BUT you are not a crap person and have no right to demand that lipton and DLEE stick to an obviously RETARDED decision. Can we play a bo5, with disconnects resulting in a replay of the entire series? I'm sure given enough oppurtunities I can beat you..... | ||
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Wurzelbrumpft
Germany471 Posts
On June 30 2009 00:15 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Facts: 1. It was bad for the admins to make a decision and go back on it. 2. Strelok can justifiably by upset about that. 3. Fenix AND strelok should not have lost because of this. 3a. This means that Fenix deserved the regame as a close game -> disconnect should never be awarded a win in tourney play AND strelok should be man enough/have a cool head to accept a shitty decision WHICH MEANS he recovers from admins flipping a decision. 4. Artosis made the right decision to have them replay game 2. lol you might look up fact somewhere, because none of these things are any. | ||
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InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3474 Posts
On June 30 2009 02:34 blipster8 wrote: In any case: debating the decision itself in this thread is fairly pointless, because the whole issue hinges on whether Strelok was in fact considerably ahead in game 2, or whether the game was even enough to require replaying. Since the replay hasn't been released, none of us can know, and hence none of us could possibly know what the right decision should have been. I disagree. To me the issue is whether or not both Lipton and Daniel said it was their "final decision" that Strelok would get the win in game 2. Once a decision is called final, it should under no circumstances be changed (even if it was a questionable one) unless the situation changes, which it did not. In my opinion this is unprofessional behaviour. | ||
JWD
United States12607 Posts
haha yeah, my phone's autocomplete is mischievous sometimes | ||
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Coulthard
Greece3359 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On June 30 2009 00:32 WeakTuna wrote: I always wondered why does player with big "name", such has reckrul, artosis etc never get temp ban ( or maybe they are some time, but i never saw it). It's that i dont find their post funny or anything, but some time i think they turn some post in huge drama storry and find it sad (funny but sad) And btw Happy birthday reckrul. certain people can get away with more than other people, based on who they are and the contributons they have made to this site and to the community in general artosis and rekrul can do absolutely whatever they want on teamliquid, if you don't like it that's real unfortunate | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
Some ideas I have: 1) He supports his partner. 2) He thinks it was a correct decision based on his own experience in professional SC. 3) He doesn't care that much about that isse and simply agreed on Lipton's decision to be done with it. 4) There were some facts we don't know about. I don't think 3) is the case, he seems to care at least that much about Valor. Just listing it for completeness' sake. Any other thoughts? SDM has been around in the professional scene too long to make such bad decisions just like that, at least that's my opinion. So this really bugs me quite a bit... | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On June 30 2009 03:51 spinesheath wrote: Has anyone ever thought about why SDM reinforced Lipton's decision? I am not entirely sure what I that is supposed to mean. Some ideas I have: 1) He supports his partner. 2) He thinks it was a correct decision based on his own experience in professional SC. 3) He doesn't care that much about that isse and simply agreed on Lipton's decision to be done with it. 4) There were some facts we don't know about. I don't think 3) is the case, he seems to care at least that much about Valor. Just listing it for completeness' sake. Any other thoughts? SDM has been around in the professional scene too long to make such bad decisions just like that, at least that's my opinion. So this really bugs me quite a bit... progaming doesn't have these problems and its not like daniel lee is heavily experienced in running online tournaments, there's no reason to believe he is has the experience necessary to always make the correct judgement call | ||
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