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On June 30 2009 03:20 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2009 02:34 blipster8 wrote:
In any case: debating the decision itself in this thread is fairly pointless, because the whole issue hinges on whether Strelok was in fact considerably ahead in game 2, or whether the game was even enough to require replaying. Since the replay hasn't been released, none of us can know, and hence none of us could possibly know what the right decision should have been. I disagree. To me the issue is whether or not both Lipton and Daniel said it was their "final decision" that Strelok would get the win in game 2. Once a decision is called final, it should under no circumstances be changed (even if it was a questionable one) unless the situation changes, which it did not. In my opinion this is unprofessional behaviour.
QFT
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On June 30 2009 03:54 lamarine wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2009 03:20 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:On June 30 2009 02:34 blipster8 wrote:
In any case: debating the decision itself in this thread is fairly pointless, because the whole issue hinges on whether Strelok was in fact considerably ahead in game 2, or whether the game was even enough to require replaying. Since the replay hasn't been released, none of us can know, and hence none of us could possibly know what the right decision should have been. I disagree. To me the issue is whether or not both Lipton and Daniel said it was their "final decision" that Strelok would get the win in game 2. Once a decision is called final, it should under no circumstances be changed (even if it was a questionable one) unless the situation changes, which it did not. In my opinion this is unprofessional behaviour. QFT
put some effort into your posts or don't post
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On June 30 2009 04:00 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2009 03:54 lamarine wrote:On June 30 2009 03:20 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:On June 30 2009 02:34 blipster8 wrote:
In any case: debating the decision itself in this thread is fairly pointless, because the whole issue hinges on whether Strelok was in fact considerably ahead in game 2, or whether the game was even enough to require replaying. Since the replay hasn't been released, none of us can know, and hence none of us could possibly know what the right decision should have been. I disagree. To me the issue is whether or not both Lipton and Daniel said it was their "final decision" that Strelok would get the win in game 2. Once a decision is called final, it should under no circumstances be changed (even if it was a questionable one) unless the situation changes, which it did not. In my opinion this is unprofessional behaviour. QFT put some effort into your posts or don't post
QFT
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The bottom line of what most likely happened is that Fenix disconnected in the second game. There are some possible solutions as to how decide the consequences of this. I would agree that a replay is a good solution, but stating it as the only right decision without knowing the detailed scenario is too presumptuous for my taste. So in this situation the arbiters make a decision which they think to be reasonable in the beginning, but later think is wrong. The unfortunate part now is that the first decision was apparently called final.
If that is really the situation in all its truth, i can very well understand the feelings of every party involved. Strelok is pissed because he was promised an outcome in his favor, a promise which was broken. Everybody would be pissed to a certain extent. Was it ok to revise the decision by the arbiters? If it really was called 'final', formally certainly not - but this is not a tournament where millions of dollars are on the line, so arbiters can make mistakes and should be forgiven for making them.
Now i also would encourage Strelok to see past this misstep by the arbiters and continue playing. If he does not want to, this can can also be understood and has to be respected. 'Legally' i think he's right and of course there is also a certain amount of pride involved. Insulting him like it has happened in this thread is completely unwarrented.(It is always easy to demand high moral standards for *other* people, right?)
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well written man well this valor tournament look like a stupid joke
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On June 30 2009 03:07 AttackZerg wrote:
I don't understand this at all strelok. I have several friends who know you, one of them being oystein who call you a very good mannered guy and yet you get upset that you have to replay a supposedly even game instead of the entire series what the fuck?
If my government actually made a mistake and sent me 20,000 dollars for taxes instead of 200 and then later fixed the mistake would I have any right to that money or to being upset?
Yes its annoying that Valor is a complete crap tournament and is being run worse then most of the tournaments put out by community sites BUT you are not a crap person and have no right to demand that lipton and DLEE stick to an obviously RETARDED decision.
Can we play a bo5, with disconnects resulting in a replay of the entire series? I'm sure given enough oppurtunities I can beat you.....
daniel lee and lipton must have thought strelok had the advantage in game 2. i don't understand why some people are saying they handed strelok game 2 for no reason. a final decision was made, and it was reversed a week later. i can definitely see why strelok would be upset. a lot of it comes down to how game 2 actually played out, but once two official refs make a final decision, they should stand by it. you should not give strelok shit for practicing for an entire week just to have the "final decision" flipped around. strelok must have believed he was ahead in game 2, and therefore went along with the refs' decision. then gets screwed later on.
i am not in position to judge what should have happened (at least until i watch the game 2 replay on my own). but you have to look at this from strelok's perspective, too. it's unfortunate to see something like this happen.
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On Who Wants to Be A Millionaire, once you say final answer, you can't change it.
On June 29 2009 22:47 Rekrul wrote:
Example 1:
I was playing in a poker tournament in Macau. I was going pretty far and had a big stack. I put out a huge bluff on this guy but he called me. I showed my hand. Then he showed me a hand that beat mine but then accidentally flipped it upside down and threw it into the muck. The rules state that if you do this your hand is dead. That means I win the hand. This pot was worth a lof of money in equity for me. One faggot kid chimed up and he's like "YO THATS UR POT MAN HE MUCKED IT." I looked at the kid like he was a fucking idiot. The dealer was trying to ship me the pot. "Give him the pot." I said. Kids like "no dude thats ur pot..."
"GIVE HIM THE FUCKKKKING POT."
We should all listen to the guy who gambles with kids, you big meanie.
Replay game 2 seems the only logical thing to do and I am the newbiest of newbies when it comes to SC
If Fenix is low enough to spam bot or whatever Artosis, I am assuming he is low enough to DC on purpose.
Seeing the game 2 replay is only thing that will solve this.
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no matter who is wrong or right.. no fucking matter.. streloks behaviour is childish and not playing game 2 and 3 is just stupid..
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maybe the game was even at that point, but that can still mean that it is heavily in favour of one person over the other. i dont have facts, but strelok may have played fenix often and knows that he wont lose in the later stages of the game. After all fenix is known for being a cheesy faggot
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On June 30 2009 05:17 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
no matter who is wrong or right.. no fucking matter.. streloks behaviour is childish and not playing game 2 and 3 is just stupid..
...lol.
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On June 30 2009 05:18 Wurzelbrumpft wrote:
maybe the game was even at that point, but that can still mean that it is heavily in favour of one person over the other. i dont have facts, but strelok may have played fenix often and knows that he wont lose in the later stages of the game. After all fenix is known for being a cheesy faggot
What the fuck is trash like this doing posting here?
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On June 29 2009 20:51 Strelok. wrote:
I am public person. I have fans, haters, people who just follow my rezults. That's why i feel responsible to make such statement.
I got trouble in my match against Fenix in Ro8 Valor. I don't want to explain the details of complaint fully, because i don't want flame war starting. Lipton, the main runner of the tournament got letters from both sides with all their arguments, after what he made "final decision". Fenix didn't like it and refused to accept it and continue series. I talked to Daniel Lee, the organizator of this tournament. He also agreed with my arguments and made his "final decision" which was nearly the same with Liptons one. Sounds very nice and professional, yeah? After that i went to Moscow to LAN finals for 2 days. I came back and saw the PM with Liptons words that he changes his "final decision" without having no new arguments or reasons.
You know, i understand when girls in the shop, can't select between 2 dresses and change their decisions many times. But i really can't understand when serious men, professionals, change their decisions, "final decisions" as they call them, for many times. That is why i decided to drop off from the tournament. I drop off not because i think this decision is unfair (even though i think so), i drop because 2 from 3 "big bosses" of the professional tournament changed their final decision without having any new reasons or information in 5 days after making previous one. I feel sorry for people who wanted me to win and for people who just wanted to see good games between me and Fenix. I can only hope you will read my arguments and accept them.
Eugin "Strelok" Oparyshev.
Wow thats really lack of professionalism. I would go rage-mode on them by saying "How can you change you're opinion when the final decision was stated already and that we both were fine with it.."
I would do exactly the same as you Strelok, step up on the pedestal and just tell you're story cause were backing you up on this.
Strelok btw, I think you should post on gosugamers, and the other community site just to tell you're story.
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Ummm fenix wasn't ok with that. Read the thread.
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So Lipton ruled it 1-1, then was the 3rd game played?
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On June 30 2009 05:17 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
no matter who is wrong or right.. no fucking matter.. streloks behaviour is childish and not playing game 2 and 3 is just stupid..
childish as opposed to your one-line flame-post which is an example of maturity, am I right?
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if the series was already played out and strelok won then i dont see why it should have to be replayed. admins made a bad decision it's their job to live with it and not pass responsibility to the players.
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On June 30 2009 04:00 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2009 03:54 lamarine wrote:On June 30 2009 03:20 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:On June 30 2009 02:34 blipster8 wrote:
In any case: debating the decision itself in this thread is fairly pointless, because the whole issue hinges on whether Strelok was in fact considerably ahead in game 2, or whether the game was even enough to require replaying. Since the replay hasn't been released, none of us can know, and hence none of us could possibly know what the right decision should have been. I disagree. To me the issue is whether or not both Lipton and Daniel said it was their "final decision" that Strelok would get the win in game 2. Once a decision is called final, it should under no circumstances be changed (even if it was a questionable one) unless the situation changes, which it did not. In my opinion this is unprofessional behaviour. QFT put some effort into your posts or don't post
QFT
Is this acceptable?
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On June 30 2009 07:16 sixghost wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2009 04:00 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On June 30 2009 03:54 lamarine wrote:On June 30 2009 03:20 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:On June 30 2009 02:34 blipster8 wrote:
In any case: debating the decision itself in this thread is fairly pointless, because the whole issue hinges on whether Strelok was in fact considerably ahead in game 2, or whether the game was even enough to require replaying. Since the replay hasn't been released, none of us can know, and hence none of us could possibly know what the right decision should have been. I disagree. To me the issue is whether or not both Lipton and Daniel said it was their "final decision" that Strelok would get the win in game 2. Once a decision is called final, it should under no circumstances be changed (even if it was a questionable one) unless the situation changes, which it did not. In my opinion this is unprofessional behaviour. QFT put some effort into your posts or don't post QFT Is this acceptable?
lol dan!! jajajajaja
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Someone would guess that names like Rekrul would behave a bit better with less of arrogance and not cause more drama then it's already made. Oh well... I guess you can behave like that when entire admin team of TL is behind you.
Anyhow, full support to Strelok and man, best of luck in next tournaments and I hope these unpleasant moments from Valor won't affect your performance in future.
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