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maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5872 Posts
June 27 2009 15:40 GMT
#61
On June 28 2009 00:28 G5 wrote:
obviously idra is a foreigner and should be considered one in all tournaments. Don't get mad at the guy or blame the guy for accomplishing more than any other foreigner in years and being able to play at the very top level of the game. If he rapes every tournament he enters, it's because he worked harder than anyone else / played better than anyone else in that tournament. There is no way you can hold that against anyone.


But then why should other progamers be restricted? ;;
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-27 15:44:39
June 27 2009 15:44 GMT
#62
On June 28 2009 00:40 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2009 00:28 G5 wrote:
obviously idra is a foreigner and should be considered one in all tournaments. Don't get mad at the guy or blame the guy for accomplishing more than any other foreigner in years and being able to play at the very top level of the game. If he rapes every tournament he enters, it's because he worked harder than anyone else / played better than anyone else in that tournament. There is no way you can hold that against anyone.


But then why should other progamers be restricted? ;;

who you have in mind?
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
Pads
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
England3228 Posts
June 27 2009 15:44 GMT
#63
On June 28 2009 00:40 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2009 00:28 G5 wrote:
obviously idra is a foreigner and should be considered one in all tournaments. Don't get mad at the guy or blame the guy for accomplishing more than any other foreigner in years and being able to play at the very top level of the game. If he rapes every tournament he enters, it's because he worked harder than anyone else / played better than anyone else in that tournament. There is no way you can hold that against anyone.


But then why should other progamers be restricted? ;;


because their korean? the whole point of this topic is if IdrA should be allowed it FOREIGN tournaments.
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Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
June 27 2009 15:45 GMT
#64
He should be allowed to play, not because of something silly like "he's bottom of B-team" or "he's pro in Korea so he's not foreigner" or anything like that, but because people want to see him play.
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reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
June 27 2009 15:46 GMT
#65
On June 28 2009 00:40 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2009 00:28 G5 wrote:
obviously idra is a foreigner and should be considered one in all tournaments. Don't get mad at the guy or blame the guy for accomplishing more than any other foreigner in years and being able to play at the very top level of the game. If he rapes every tournament he enters, it's because he worked harder than anyone else / played better than anyone else in that tournament. There is no way you can hold that against anyone.


But then why should other progamers be restricted? ;;

I don't think any progamers, Korean or not should be restricted from any international tournament. I doubt high level Korean progamers would join foreign tournaments anyway.
pN]Reaper[
Profile Joined March 2009
Romania7 Posts
June 27 2009 15:56 GMT
#66
Nony had this chance, Draco had it also, as stated above.

I really don't see any reason why he should be banned from tourneys. He is the first one who succeeded in Korea so far, fair play to him. It should be seen as a challenge by the foreign community. Who can bash Idra?
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-27 16:10:14
June 27 2009 16:09 GMT
#67
On June 28 2009 00:44 Pads wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2009 00:40 maybenexttime wrote:
On June 28 2009 00:28 G5 wrote:
obviously idra is a foreigner and should be considered one in all tournaments. Don't get mad at the guy or blame the guy for accomplishing more than any other foreigner in years and being able to play at the very top level of the game. If he rapes every tournament he enters, it's because he worked harder than anyone else / played better than anyone else in that tournament. There is no way you can hold that against anyone.


But then why should other progamers be restricted? ;;


because their korean? the whole point of this topic is if IdrA should be allowed it FOREIGN tournaments.


Foreign vs Korean is a stupid distinction. Koreans aren't magically better, they are better because they have a professional organization that supports 10 hour a day training of the best players. What has really been meant by "Korean" was always "Korean professionals", not Korean nationality. Now that Idra is a professional, he's more Korean than Foreign by the implied definitions.

I think people like to see him play in foreign tournaments because they can't see him play in Korea, and everyone wants to know how he's doing. Starcraft's days are numbered anyways, with Starcraft 2 less than a year away, so frankly I think it's fine for him to participate in foreign tournaments for everyone's entertainment. It's not like he has a chance to make A-team and be a regular in Proleague before Starcraft 2 takes over, so we have no other way to see if professional training improved his game.
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
June 27 2009 16:12 GMT
#68
At this point I dont think it matters much. If anything IdrA brings more attention (be it good or bad) to the e-sports scene, which in the end helps Starcraft become more popular. SC 2 is out soon and I expect all foreign SC tournaments to die out almost immediately.

Once starcraft 2 hits it will be up to American companies to start their own teams.

Heres to hoping that they do.
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Clasic
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
June 27 2009 16:15 GMT
#69
On June 27 2009 15:20 AlwaysGG wrote:
lol i don't think idra wud join A-team any time soon not even when sc2 come out.

i have nothing against him but the gap between korean and foreigner is still very significant


This.

I picked no, because Idras in Korea getting special training while other players only play a few hours a day and trying their best while hes getting gosu Korean advice...
No no no no its not mine!
ZenDeX
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Philippines2916 Posts
June 27 2009 16:35 GMT
#70
On June 28 2009 01:15 Clasic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2009 15:20 AlwaysGG wrote:
lol i don't think idra wud join A-team any time soon not even when sc2 come out.

i have nothing against him but the gap between korean and foreigner is still very significant


This.

I picked no, because Idras in Korea getting special training while other players only play a few hours a day and trying their best while hes getting gosu Korean advice...

This simply means that if any foreigner wants to beat IdrA, he should get pro.

Since every foreigner wants to beat IdrA, they should be all pros.

And if they are all pros...
Mongery
Profile Joined May 2009
892 Posts
June 27 2009 16:39 GMT
#71
On June 27 2009 15:36 SnowFantasy wrote:
I disagree completely with that.

He should be able to compete in them even after he joins the A team.


I think i can agree with you in that point actually!
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maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5872 Posts
June 27 2009 16:42 GMT
#72
On June 28 2009 01:09 Zzoram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2009 00:44 Pads wrote:
On June 28 2009 00:40 maybenexttime wrote:
On June 28 2009 00:28 G5 wrote:
obviously idra is a foreigner and should be considered one in all tournaments. Don't get mad at the guy or blame the guy for accomplishing more than any other foreigner in years and being able to play at the very top level of the game. If he rapes every tournament he enters, it's because he worked harder than anyone else / played better than anyone else in that tournament. There is no way you can hold that against anyone.


But then why should other progamers be restricted? ;;


because their korean? the whole point of this topic is if IdrA should be allowed it FOREIGN tournaments.


Foreign vs Korean is a stupid distinction. Koreans aren't magically better, they are better because they have a professional organization that supports 10 hour a day training of the best players. What has really been meant by "Korean" was always "Korean professionals", not Korean nationality. Now that Idra is a professional, he's more Korean than Foreign by the implied definitions.

I think people like to see him play in foreign tournaments because they can't see him play in Korea, and everyone wants to know how he's doing. Starcraft's days are numbered anyways, with Starcraft 2 less than a year away, so frankly I think it's fine for him to participate in foreign tournaments for everyone's entertainment. It's not like he has a chance to make A-team and be a regular in Proleague before Starcraft 2 takes over, so we have no other way to see if professional training improved his game.


I agree with everything you just said.

It's just that it seems a bit hypocritical that other progamers are not allowed to participate.
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-27 16:54:08
June 27 2009 16:51 GMT
#73
On June 28 2009 01:35 lolaloc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2009 01:15 Clasic wrote:
On June 27 2009 15:20 AlwaysGG wrote:
lol i don't think idra wud join A-team any time soon not even when sc2 come out.

i have nothing against him but the gap between korean and foreigner is still very significant


This.

I picked no, because Idras in Korea getting special training while other players only play a few hours a day and trying their best while hes getting gosu Korean advice...

This simply means that if any foreigner wants to beat IdrA, he should get pro.

Since every foreigner wants to beat IdrA, they should be all pros.

And if they are all pros...


Right, because there are so many American/European teams that offer a living wage for people who want to play Starcraft 10 hours a day.

Foreigners can't just "go pro". They don't have the same opportunity for training that Idra does.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
June 27 2009 16:58 GMT
#74
Eventually we all know Idras going to reach a level(which wont be long) as you can already tell by his results to where foreigners wont be able to take a Bo5 from him(the chinese might win a game or 2) thats when he should be banned from tourneys.

until then no
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SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-27 17:46:42
June 27 2009 17:45 GMT
#75
On June 28 2009 01:35 lolaloc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2009 01:15 Clasic wrote:
On June 27 2009 15:20 AlwaysGG wrote:
lol i don't think idra wud join A-team any time soon not even when sc2 come out.

i have nothing against him but the gap between korean and foreigner is still very significant


This.

I picked no, because Idras in Korea getting special training while other players only play a few hours a day and trying their best while hes getting gosu Korean advice...

This simply means that if any foreigner wants to beat IdrA, he should get pro.

Since every foreigner wants to beat IdrA, they should be all pros.

And if they are all pros...


like going pro is so easy as you make it sound
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isleyofthenorth
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Austria894 Posts
June 27 2009 17:46 GMT
#76
i hope he will play a proleague match or so soon
Fr33t
Profile Joined June 2008
United States1128 Posts
June 27 2009 17:48 GMT
#77
On June 28 2009 01:12 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
Once starcraft 2 hits it will be up to American companies to start their own teams.

Heres to hoping that they do.

Here's to knowing they won't.
"Wow you could literally transport Lomo's face to a girl and the result would be pretty deceptive."
ZenDeX
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Philippines2916 Posts
June 27 2009 17:53 GMT
#78
On June 28 2009 02:48 Fr33t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2009 01:12 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
Once starcraft 2 hits it will be up to American companies to start their own teams.

Heres to hoping that they do.

Here's to knowing they won't.

Here's to wishing that we aren't so negative.
jeddus
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States832 Posts
June 27 2009 17:56 GMT
#79
He is and always will be one of us.

His place is in our tournaments as well as whatever he does over there.
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Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
June 27 2009 18:12 GMT
#80
he's great to watch and he's still beatable... Have him in every tournament as far as i'm concerned=p
go idra
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