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Shizuru~
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Malaysia1676 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-27 13:05:49
June 27 2009 11:40 GMT
#41
On June 27 2009 19:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
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On June 27 2009 18:42 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Idra should play in the tournaments until his skill rises to that of a korean progamer. Right now he's bottom of B-team level which isn't a terribly large gap from the best foreign players as shown by the numerous matches he's lost to them.


hes not bottom of b team at cj


how would u know?

nothing against (T)IdrA, but its not like they have an official b-teamer in house ranking list that they publish publicly now is there?

(T)IdrA should be allowed to join any tournaments that he wants to play in unless the tourneys regulations says otherwise..
Dyno.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States286 Posts
June 27 2009 11:49 GMT
#42
I don't like Idra but I wouldn't want to see him banned from foreigner tournaments.
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-27 11:59:05
June 27 2009 11:58 GMT
#43
On June 27 2009 20:40 Shizuru~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2009 19:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On June 27 2009 18:42 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Idra should play in the tournaments until his skill rises to that of a korean progamer. Right now he's bottom of B-team level which isn't a terribly large gap from the best foreign players as shown by the numerous matches he's lost to them.


hes not bottom of b team at cj


how would u know?

nothing against (T)IdrA, but its not like they have an official b-teamer in house ranking list that they publish publicly now is there?

(T)IdrA should be allowed to join any tournaments that he wants to play in unless the tourneys regulations says otherwise..

i remember the minor league video artosis uploaded idra said that his coaches make the team do a inhouse ranking tournament
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-27 12:19:18
June 27 2009 12:09 GMT
#44
On June 27 2009 20:40 Shizuru~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2009 19:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On June 27 2009 18:42 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Idra should play in the tournaments until his skill rises to that of a korean progamer. Right now he's bottom of B-team level which isn't a terribly large gap from the best foreign players as shown by the numerous matches he's lost to them.


hes not bottom of b team at cj


how would u know?

nothing against (T)IdrA, but its not like they have an official b-teamer in house ranking list that they publish publicly now is there?

(T)IdrA should be allowed to join any tournaments that he wants to play in unless the tourneys regulations says otherwise..

Well he was top 50% in eSTRO... not that that's saying much

EDIT: actually, what am I saying? Top 50% in any progaming house is damn good.
ModeratorGood content always wins.
VarsityUser
Profile Joined June 2009
United States84 Posts
June 27 2009 12:36 GMT
#45
On June 27 2009 16:12 stroggos wrote:
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On June 27 2009 15:54 Sosha wrote:
Interesting topic.
I think he should be allowed to enter foreign tournaments, as they're prolly the only way he'll win money in tournaments. Lets face it, most don't believe he'll make it into an A-team squad.. and lord knows he won't be winning a starleague etc..

He's still technically a foreigner, so that should make him eligible. I don't really consider him that much different from any other foreigner, except the dedication that he's shown. Just because he's been in Korea, doesn't make him any different from us - he's just been under the extreme training regiment as that of the Koreans, like 12-14 hours a day of nothing but gaming. Everyone could reach the same level if they had the dedication..

Of course a lot of ppl have to worry about work/school/etc instead of being able to mass-game like that all the time.. Which might explain the gap in skill.
But honestly.. who all has he stomped over?
I know he recently beat Mondi..
Didn't F91 stomp him though?

Best way to end the debate, put him in a showmatch w/ all the top foreigners of today.
Best of 3 against
white-ra
ret
draco
incontrol
arew
etc.. and perhaps some chinese (although they're almost considered in a league of their own)
Pj / Legend

gL


that list gave me cerebral lawsly



me too. especially when it said arew after incontrol lawl
If its not too much to ask, I'd like my stats returned. I feel I deserve them - Combat-EX
Tom Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1114 Posts
June 27 2009 12:39 GMT
#46
Personally, I was always suprised Idra was able to find the time to actually participate in foreigner events. Afterall, a progamer has to practice almost all the time and this is not mentioning participation in the offline qualifiers.

In any case, I see no problem with Idra participating. While he is doing incredibly well (in foreigner events), I still do not think he has yet reached the point where no foreigner would be able to touch him. As long as that is the case, I think he deserves a place in foreigner events just like anyone else.

Besides, his participation is mutually beneficial. Other foreigners get to play someone with Korean training, while Idra gets to play with people he can actually talk to.
You and your "5 years of competitive RTS experience" can take a hike. - FrozenArbiter
Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
June 27 2009 12:54 GMT
#47
Probably not, but it's fun to see how he progresses and brings a lot of hype so whatever.
#1 Kwanro Fan
[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
June 27 2009 12:55 GMT
#48
i so called this lol O_O
I may not be the best player right now but I think I can beat any 'best' players. I'll beat all the best players and become the best player. Watch me. - Jju
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-27 12:55:26
June 27 2009 12:55 GMT
#49
On June 27 2009 21:39 Tom Phoenix wrote:
Personally, I was always suprised Idra was able to find the time to actually participate in foreigner events. Afterall, a progamer has to practice almost all the time and this is not mentioning participation in the offline qualifiers.

In any case, I see no problem with Idra participating. While he is doing incredibly well (in foreigner events), I still do not think he has yet reached the point where no foreigner would be able to touch him. As long as that is the case, I think he deserves a place in foreigner events just like anyone else.

Besides, his participation is mutually beneficial. Other foreigners get to play someone with Korean training, while Idra gets to play with people he can actually talk to.

i think he gets premission from his coaches to play in them
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
despite
Profile Joined June 2009
Bulgaria105 Posts
June 27 2009 12:55 GMT
#50
I voted yes because there will always be some skillless newb who will show him the difference between korean and foreign starcraft.
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-27 13:23:00
June 27 2009 13:22 GMT
#51
Might be just me, but did the OP really want to start discussion over this pointless topic, or he just needed this for flame war?
Answer is obvious, he should be allowed to particpate - hes not @ the level where he won't drop single game to foreigners, and even if he was - its not his fault others don't have the time and such means of training. But at the same times hes better than any other foreigner, at least considering his recent results - but that doesn't disqualify him, right?
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
Tom Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1114 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-27 13:30:46
June 27 2009 13:30 GMT
#52
On June 27 2009 21:55 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
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On June 27 2009 21:39 Tom Phoenix wrote:
Personally, I was always suprised Idra was able to find the time to actually participate in foreigner events. Afterall, a progamer has to practice almost all the time and this is not mentioning participation in the offline qualifiers.

In any case, I see no problem with Idra participating. While he is doing incredibly well (in foreigner events), I still do not think he has yet reached the point where no foreigner would be able to touch him. As long as that is the case, I think he deserves a place in foreigner events just like anyone else.

Besides, his participation is mutually beneficial. Other foreigners get to play someone with Korean training, while Idra gets to play with people he can actually talk to.

i think he gets premission from his coaches to play in them


Well, yes, that is preety obvious. My point was that I thought he was so busy with practice and events in Korea that he would not be able to find the time to participate (especially in so many of them).
You and your "5 years of competitive RTS experience" can take a hike. - FrozenArbiter
whatusername
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada1181 Posts
June 27 2009 13:41 GMT
#53
On June 27 2009 20:40 Shizuru~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2009 19:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On June 27 2009 18:42 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Idra should play in the tournaments until his skill rises to that of a korean progamer. Right now he's bottom of B-team level which isn't a terribly large gap from the best foreign players as shown by the numerous matches he's lost to them.


hes not bottom of b team at cj


how would u know?

nothing against (T)IdrA, but its not like they have an official b-teamer in house ranking list that they publish publicly now is there?

(T)IdrA should be allowed to join any tournaments that he wants to play in unless the tourneys regulations says otherwise..


u know fakesteve is quite good friends with IdrA and musth ave asked him
im gay
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
June 27 2009 13:42 GMT
#54
For the sake of idrama i would prefer watching Idra in foreigner's leagues . Besides Idra is showing great dedication in to progameing . Might as well start earning money from it .
SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
June 27 2009 13:52 GMT
#55
On June 27 2009 22:41 whatusername wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2009 20:40 Shizuru~ wrote:
On June 27 2009 19:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On June 27 2009 18:42 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Idra should play in the tournaments until his skill rises to that of a korean progamer. Right now he's bottom of B-team level which isn't a terribly large gap from the best foreign players as shown by the numerous matches he's lost to them.


hes not bottom of b team at cj


how would u know?

nothing against (T)IdrA, but its not like they have an official b-teamer in house ranking list that they publish publicly now is there?

(T)IdrA should be allowed to join any tournaments that he wants to play in unless the tourneys regulations says otherwise..


u know fakesteve is quite good friends with IdrA and musth ave asked him


yeah. everytime i come on west fakesteve and idra are in op tl-west talking (it isn't that often but still)
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-27 14:12:07
June 27 2009 14:10 GMT
#56
Having (T)IdrA in foreign competition only raises the level of play in the competition, and that can only be good for the foreign community.

No?

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jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
June 27 2009 14:56 GMT
#57
On June 27 2009 23:10 tree.hugger wrote:
Having (T)IdrA in foreign competition only raises the level of play in the competition, and that can only be good for the foreign community.

No?



Exactly.
Delerium
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States324 Posts
June 27 2009 15:22 GMT
#58
On June 27 2009 20:40 Shizuru~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2009 19:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On June 27 2009 18:42 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Idra should play in the tournaments until his skill rises to that of a korean progamer. Right now he's bottom of B-team level which isn't a terribly large gap from the best foreign players as shown by the numerous matches he's lost to them.


hes not bottom of b team at cj


how would u know?

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nothing against (T)IdrA, but its not like they have an official b-teamer in house ranking list that they publish publicly now is there?

(T)IdrA should be allowed to join any tournaments that he wants to play in unless the tourneys regulations says otherwise..

because he's motherfucking

fake steve

bitch.
G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2921 Posts
June 27 2009 15:28 GMT
#59
obviously idra is a foreigner and should be considered one in all tournaments. Don't get mad at the guy or blame the guy for accomplishing more than any other foreigner in years and being able to play at the very top level of the game. If he rapes every tournament he enters, it's because he worked harder than anyone else / played better than anyone else in that tournament. There is no way you can hold that against anyone.
ZenDeX
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Philippines2916 Posts
June 27 2009 15:33 GMT
#60
IdrA owning everyone in foreign tournaments could lead to:
a) All foreign players having to go pro (just to beat IdrA), thus leading to ESPORTS revolution
b) The end of the foreign scene because IdrA just wins all of them (which is stupid and not likely to happen)
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