EPTIdrA vs. Foreigners - Page 10
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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CaptainPlatypus
United States852 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On July 30 2009 18:19 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: Not really.. I never came out and said "no chinese" (because I forgot honestly) but I've gone on record a number of times saying I prefer not dealing with the Chinese due to the latency issues, and I'd rather see them excluded from Euroamerican (yes, I think I made that up) leagues, and no Chinese applied for the ladder. Had one applied, it probably would've crossed my mind and I would've said something. For the record, Artosis MSNed me prior to him and IdrA applying and asked if it was ok, and I said yes. From an organizer's standpoint, it was a no-brainer. IdrA is a high profile figure. He brings in people. Whether people like him and want to see him play, or people want to see him lose and BM someone, when IdrA plays, people tune in. Had I had my streaming shit sorted out, it was a perfect opportunity to draw people in. I was under the impression that PJ and Never played in SC2GG SL? I may have the wrong tournament here... mightve been ASL? Regardless, some tournaments choose to and some do not. | ||
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Sadist
United States7260 Posts
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dhe95
United States1213 Posts
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
On July 29 2009 21:04 Twisted wrote: The only reason why this is a discussion is because Idra shows an incredible lack of sportmanship by never respecting the skill of the non-Korean amateurs when he loses games. This is shown in frustrated nerd-rage calling his opponents skillless newbies and not gg-ing. If he actually showed some class and if he would be liked by the community no-one would deny him to any tournament. Fact of the matter is that he's a pompous asshole and his Starcraft skill or what he accomplishes should not excuse that. If anything I would not allow him because of the reasons stated above, not because he's officially a pro-gamer. I think the consensus is that he should not be allowed anymore once he joins the A-team, which I think is a fine way of handling it. I think gamers on A-teams get paid salary anyway and he'd be playing Proleague etc. so he wouldn't 'need' to play non-Korean tournaments anymore. I agree about Idra being a pompus, annoying asshole and that being the reason that people dislike him and brings up this entire discussion. However I don't agree about him playing foreign tournaments when he's a pro, because the only difference between him and fellow korean pros is their nationality. Surely koreans grow up with Starcraft but so what? Would we rather have a non-korean owning up foreign leagues than a korean? Seems like it. This is too much about nationality imo; if Idra is allowed in foreign tournaments, everyone below A-team koreans should be able to play too. I feel like we are participating in creating an unwanted gap between the korean and foreign Starcraft scenes by acting in this manner. Everyone, no matter nationality, should be able to play tournaments unless skill level differences are too big. Idras skill level obviously is very high right now and he wins tournaments left and right, why is he then allowed to play? | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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wo0py
Netherlands922 Posts
I think those things matter more than the rights to play in a tournament. Wouldn't you let a programer play in you tour if he wanted too? | ||
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Not_A_Notion
Ireland441 Posts
So for anybody who thinks he shouldn't play...ban him from any tournaments you yourselves organize by simply saying you can't have a Kespa pro licence to enter(As indeed Plexa said earlier, just really worth re-iterating), other than that there is not much point to this thread . + Show Spoiler + Right, that's my share of banging my head off of this wall. please hit me if I post again on this thread | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On July 30 2009 21:26 Carnac wrote: There are valid arguments for both sides. For example many sports ban professionals from entering amateur competitions, the same argument can be made here. On the other hand I understand why many people want to see him compete. Except amateurs don't get ANY money. The amateur golfer who came joint 5th in the British Open made ZERO money purely because he's an amateur. These tournaments have large prize pools so they aren't "amateur" tournaments. Foreigner players aren't amateurs they are strictly "semi-professionals". In any other sport it makes no difference where you train. Samuel Eto'o can still compete in the African cup of nations, despite the fact he has a clear advantage since he plays in Spain with top class professionals. Tennis player Andy Murray trained abroad but he can still play in the Davis Cup. Not only is the "Idra can't play" argument ridiculous on common sense grounds since he brings in the most viewers, it's also ridiculous on logical grounds too. Here's a brilliant example. Shutai Zhang won the British GO championship 10 years in a row, despite the fact he had trained as a professional in China. Since he has British citizenship he could compete and win the prize money. | ||
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stk01001
United States786 Posts
he's not THAT great of a player, anyone who's that predictable can never be a true force.. | ||
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
IF he ever makes it to the A team then he should be banned | ||
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
Ppl say he's beatable but if one person starts dominating every foreign tournament and that person is already a pro and already has professional training and already is in Korea ... that wouldn't seem to be fair or good for the community. | ||
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Monkeyboi2k3
United States175 Posts
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BalliSLife
1339 Posts
DUH plus the only thing i wanna see is a rematch between f91 and idra | ||
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Exteray
United States1094 Posts
On June 27 2009 15:27 arsonist wrote: Fair argument. That being said, would you think it was fair for ANY Korean B-teamer to join? I just foresee a point in the future where IdrA, even if he's still on the B-team, is going to wreck everyone... and when that happens, what's the point of having foreign tournaments anymore? The future is the present, my friend. | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
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Zurles
United Kingdom1659 Posts
and most of you fools were calling him terrible a few months ago. | ||
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ambient
United States32 Posts
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On July 30 2009 19:27 Plexa wrote: I was under the impression that PJ and Never played in SC2GG SL? I may have the wrong tournament here... mightve been ASL? Regardless, some tournaments choose to and some do not. Yeah they played in ASL. Artosis allowed them to play in Stamina as well. It all depends on the organizer's preferences. | ||
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