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SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13081 Posts
June 27 2009 18:13 GMT
#81
Idra can only lose to protoss i cant see him losing vs any z or t in bo5.

Players that got chance vs him is Whitera Pj Legend Fenix Draco(when he is active) and few others maybe.
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-27 18:25:38
June 27 2009 18:24 GMT
#82
Yes he should.

And to take it one step further I think korean pros should be allowed to play in foreigner tourniments as well.

Mainly for the selfish reason that I enjoy watching korean pros curbstomp foreigners


Besides look at PJ vs Savior at WCG. Sure its only one game out of many but skilled foreigners can compete against sloppy over confident under preforming pros

I mean did you guys see the games from the last valor ro8? Horrible. I think avoiding things like THAT should be more of a priority than keeping idra out of foreigner events.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
ActualSteve
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States627 Posts
June 27 2009 18:26 GMT
#83
Why hasn't IdrA commented on this, yet?
You are now breathing manually.
eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
June 27 2009 18:29 GMT
#84
On June 28 2009 03:26 ActualSteve wrote:
Why hasn't IdrA commented on this, yet?


because he probably doesn't care about these silly discussions that randomly seem to pop up about him. Just taking a guess here.
HooHa!
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States688 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-27 18:33:18
June 27 2009 18:31 GMT
#85
Idra should be allowed in foreign tourney's if they let them. He will always be a "foreigner." He's got our blood, our own homegrown piss, our breadmaking skills.

I mean unless someone specifically says "no people in korea can play this tourney" or No "idras" Then fine. He is a great player who is beating people why not?

You can have progamers play in foreign tourney's if you wanted to, and if THEY wanted to also, I am just sure they don't care much for it because they consider their priorities more. Unless you are sea shield and you are charmed by TL attack.

I mean its really just up to the two parties, the gamers and the guys who run the games.
Hoo Ra!
arsonist
Profile Joined October 2006
Canada80 Posts
June 27 2009 18:39 GMT
#86
On June 27 2009 22:22 Itachii wrote:
Might be just me, but did the OP really want to start discussion over this pointless topic, or he just needed this for flame war?
Answer is obvious, he should be allowed to particpate - hes not @ the level where he won't drop single game to foreigners, and even if he was - its not his fault others don't have the time and such means of training. But at the same times hes better than any other foreigner, at least considering his recent results - but that doesn't disqualify him, right?


I haven't flamed anyone, and I specifically said it's nothing against IdrA... it's just a discussion.

If anything, it's a compliment to his increasing skill.
Failsafe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States1298 Posts
June 27 2009 18:43 GMT
#87
I doubt Idra's participation in the "foreigner scene" would actually draw any complaints from the foreigners who have to play against him. I would find the issue more interesting if the likes of G5, JF, Nony, Mondi, Ret, etc. were opposed to it. If his competition doesn't think there's a reason to complain, then why should you?
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igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
June 27 2009 19:11 GMT
#88
Is Idra better than draco at his peak?
jkillashark
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States5262 Posts
June 27 2009 20:54 GMT
#89
In Korea and Japan, they take baduk commonly known as the board game go very seriously. Kids start training VERY early starting in their grade school years and often become pro in middle school. Those who are training to become a pro are often forbidden from playing amateur tournaments. Why?

Playing against weaker opponents who have bad habits will give the trainee bad habits themselves. (Thought process. ahha this works against these nubs) (Reality: Works against nubs and builts a bad habit that good pros will dismantle and tear apart). Actually, this works for many sports and probably goes for SC as well.

Once IdrA starts winning back-to-back tournaments, I think he should resign himself from the foreign scene. He's proven that he's able to dominate them, so why keep trouncing on them when there's bigger fish to fry? It's not like he's improving himself. When I play table tennis, I try to avoid playing people who I know I'm going to because they have poor technique because I develop bad habits playing against them. Since they suck and will often mess up, my footwork gets lazy, I half expect not to return a serve properly. Yeah sure, I'll have to eventually play weaker players but when I do I don't try to win, I look for ways to improve my own game by playing them. (Example, focus on footwork and only use my forehand.) Korean Footwork (Ryu Seung Min 2004 Olympic Champion) Getting your butt kicked by a better player helps you improve faster cause you see how you lose points when they're forced as opposed to the other guy making mistakes.

I think IdrA is getting closer to Korean progamer level, a lot more than people give credit. Go Greg! Screw the amateurs, go for gold in South Korea!
Do your best, God will do the rest.
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
June 28 2009 17:14 GMT
#90
On June 27 2009 19:18 I3oxerfan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2009 19:06 Piste wrote:
I vote yes ofcourse.
Idra is from usa, he plays bw, so why not?
Also he is a B-teamer so he doesn't show on proleague.
And who wouldn't want to see such high level Terran play from a foreigner?
Draco has been in korea too, same as nony. They shouldn't be able to compete in feroign tournament as well then.



No. It is a different. Nony and Draco were in Korea. Idra is in Korea.

obviously you don't read.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
June 28 2009 17:26 GMT
#91
On June 28 2009 04:11 igotmyown wrote:
Is Idra better than draco at his peak?


Well draco did beat Midas who made it to WCG grand finals and thats big , Idra has yet to beat an A - teamer .
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
June 28 2009 17:27 GMT
#92
what a ridiculous thread. half the time it's, "omg idra lost to a foreigner! he should leave korea asap he sux!" then 2 seconds later now, "omg he's too good for foreigner scene, he is progamer!"

just lol...qft what g5 said
Sup
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13921 Posts
June 28 2009 17:34 GMT
#93
go usa woot woot
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
shafiru
Profile Joined January 2009
111 Posts
June 28 2009 17:39 GMT
#94
On June 29 2009 02:26 raga4ka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2009 04:11 igotmyown wrote:
Is Idra better than draco at his peak?


Well draco did beat Midas who made it to WCG grand finals and thats big , Idra has yet to beat an A - teamer .

IdrA has beaten Savior, Kwanro, and many others. You just don't hear about it.
bengaliToss ftw...
anderoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1876 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-28 17:48:59
June 28 2009 17:40 GMT
#95
On June 28 2009 05:54 jkillashark wrote:
Once IdrA starts winning back-to-back tournaments, I think he should resign himself from the foreign scene. He's proven that he's able to dominate them, so why keep trouncing on them when there's bigger fish to fry?

This is true, but it's easy money for him so I doubt he'd resign himself
d1v
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Sweden868 Posts
June 28 2009 17:48 GMT
#96
Well, in order to determine whether Idra should be excluded, I guess we have to find out why we ban Korean progamers from foreigner tournaments in the first spot:

As far as I know, it has nothing to do with their nationality or heritage. The reason why Korean progamers are excluded is, that their skill outmatches the foreigner community's best player's skill by far. This is not because Koreans are naturally better at SC, but because of the rigid training Korean progamers undergo. Even Korean B-Teamers have such a high winning-rate vs top foreign players, that it's common sense to exclude them from foreign tournaments.

Now, Idra has been to Korea for more than a year now, IIRC. He's undergone the training schedule of Korean progamers and has become one of them. While he's certainly not untouchable, he's undoubtedly on the level of a Korean B-Team progamer, who, as stated above, are all excluded from foreigner tournaments.

Hence, the only stringent thing to do would be excluding him from foreign tournaments as well.

As a Terran player, I really love to see him play, but I find that it's just become more and more unfair, since he's just starting to dominate every foreign event he participates in.
Adams Æbler
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
June 28 2009 17:50 GMT
#97
On June 29 2009 02:26 raga4ka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2009 04:11 igotmyown wrote:
Is Idra better than draco at his peak?


Well draco did beat Midas who made it to WCG grand finals and thats big , Idra has yet to beat an A - teamer .

You know Trap and shuttle are STX A-team right?
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
June 28 2009 17:57 GMT
#98
On June 28 2009 05:54 jkillashark wrote:
In Korea and Japan, they take baduk commonly known as the board game go very seriously. Kids start training VERY early starting in their grade school years and often become pro in middle school. Those who are training to become a pro are often forbidden from playing amateur tournaments. Why?

Playing against weaker opponents who have bad habits will give the trainee bad habits themselves. (Thought process. ahha this works against these nubs) (Reality: Works against nubs and builts a bad habit that good pros will dismantle and tear apart). Actually, this works for many sports and probably goes for SC as well.

Once IdrA starts winning back-to-back tournaments, I think he should resign himself from the foreign scene. He's proven that he's able to dominate them, so why keep trouncing on them when there's bigger fish to fry? It's not like he's improving himself. When I play table tennis, I try to avoid playing people who I know I'm going to because they have poor technique because I develop bad habits playing against them. Since they suck and will often mess up, my footwork gets lazy, I half expect not to return a serve properly. Yeah sure, I'll have to eventually play weaker players but when I do I don't try to win, I look for ways to improve my own game by playing them. (Example, focus on footwork and only use my forehand.) Korean Footwork (Ryu Seung Min 2004 Olympic Champion) Getting your butt kicked by a better player helps you improve faster cause you see how you lose points when they're forced as opposed to the other guy making mistakes.

I think IdrA is getting closer to Korean progamer level, a lot more than people give credit. Go Greg! Screw the amateurs, go for gold in South Korea!


money
I3oxerfan
Profile Joined January 2008
215 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-28 18:00:09
June 28 2009 17:58 GMT
#99
Have you seen the games betwenn Idra and Yayba?

Pretty good games.


+ Show Spoiler +
No gg by Idra.
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
June 28 2009 18:27 GMT
#100
I think its kind of unfair because really everyone is using 'foreigner' as a word for amateur not just literally foreign. Since hes professional i think everyone else should have a chance to win tournaments considering there's prize money involved. It should be like any sport, you'd never have a professional compete at an amateur event for money.
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