EPT[idea]Limit practice time for progamers? - Page 7
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NotJumperer
United States1371 Posts
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Chef
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Though to be honest... I don't think 8 or 10 hours straight of playing SC is the most effective way to create winning players. If I were a coach, I would devote at least some hours of the day to focused discussion about the game away from the computer. I would like to see a team explore different training techniques instead of following the oldschool philosophy 'practice makes perfect.' | ||
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29 fps
United States5725 Posts
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Chef
10810 Posts
On May 30 2009 08:29 DM20 wrote: All their expenses are paid for by the team sponsor and most of the money they make is probably getting saved up. And lots of the retired progamers end up casting or coaching, so its not like they don't get anything out of it. B teamers only get room and board if I recall correctly. There's no money being saved up. But then, they also don't stay much longer than a year or two if they never get up to being A team do they? I don't think you can say 'lots of progamers end up casting or coaching' when it's probably like under 30 total, and only the superstars really. But then that's sports. People who dream big either catch the wave to success and fame or crash and burn. They can go do normal work if they don't want to take the risks. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36401 Posts
On May 30 2009 08:23 Jumperer wrote: Those B teamers are screwed for life. getting paid 10 cent a day and having to practice 50 hours a day or get hit with a baseball bat ala old KTF coach. you need to stop thinking about it as "just a video game" and more as a profession. if you look at any competition / sport / profession based on skill, whether its basketball, soccer, chess, table tennis, bowling, or painting, there are going to be people who fail at it. there are millions of kids who don't make the NBA and waste their lives trying to make the NBA despite practicing just as much. that's just what happens in these kinds of things, people who are the best make money and for every success story there are thousands of failures. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
The problem with SC teams is that there's a HUGE CONFLICT OF INTEREST. B teamers and even lesser A teamers are incredibly important in helping the stars, or at least those who make it onto the proleague roster, practice. There lies a problem. As a coach who's main interest is the team, how do you deal with important practice partners who don't have a chance in hell of making it? The important thing to consider is that coaches are respected people. They're like teachers. Kids usually listen to them. And if they don't look out for the kids, then there's a problem.I really don't believe that they're nice enough to look out for the interest of lesser player. And tell that player he should quit early and go back to living a normal life, for example. Instead, I'm sure the coach would rather retain these 2nd rate players in the interest of the team. Neither helping them grow, but neither letting them go. In general, I have a problem with how the whole thing is structured. I liken it to college sports in the US, to a certain extent... Except at least US college athletes get booty and under-the-table money at least. These Korean kids don't even get their own room. | ||
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DM20
Canada544 Posts
On May 30 2009 08:53 Chef wrote: B teamers only get room and board if I recall correctly. There's no money being saved up. But then, they also don't stay much longer than a year or two if they never get up to being A team do they? I don't think you can say 'lots of progamers end up casting or coaching' when it's probably like under 30 total, and only the superstars really. But then that's sports. People who dream big either catch the wave to success and fame or crash and burn. They can go do normal work if they don't want to take the risks. Its the ones who put in the 10 hour days that make it big, and there are other jobs besides casting and coaching those are just the ones with the most limelight. Flash said in an interview he'd like to teach about pro gaming when he was older. Gaming is a big part of Korean culture, just being good at it will surely open a lot of doors. | ||
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DM20
Canada544 Posts
On May 30 2009 09:12 baubo wrote: I'm not sure if it has been brought up, but what really separates SC teams and normal "I practice hard so I can get into the NBA/MLB/NFL/pro soccer" is that the latter is about personal decisions. Even if they get bad advice, these are still outside advice. The problem with SC teams is that there's a HUGE CONFLICT OF INTEREST. B teamers and even lesser A teamers are incredibly important in helping the stars, or at least those who make it onto the proleague roster, practice. There lies a problem. As a coach who's main interest is the team, how do you deal with important practice partners who don't have a chance in hell of making it? The important thing to consider is that coaches are respected people. They're like teachers. Kids usually listen to them. And if they don't look out for the kids, then there's a problem.I really don't believe that they're nice enough to look out for the interest of lesser player. And tell that player he should quit early and go back to living a normal life, for example. Instead, I'm sure the coach would rather retain these 2nd rate players in the interest of the team. Neither helping them grow, but neither letting them go. In general, I have a problem with how the whole thing is structured. I liken it to college sports in the US, to a certain extent... Except at least US college athletes get booty and under-the-table money at least. These Korean kids don't even get their own room. Have you ever seen the movie Rudy? Some of these kids biggest goal is to play one game in proleague. Achieving your goals is very enjoyable. | ||
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leveIs
United States44 Posts
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fearus
China2164 Posts
10 hours pratice is nothing for what they are doing. | ||
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DM20
Canada544 Posts
On May 30 2009 11:11 fearus wrote: The main problem here is you young gen-y kids living in a western country baffled by this concept of hard-work because you have been living in an era of give me give me give me. 10 hours pratice is nothing for what they are doing. k,I'll get off your lawn. | ||
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fearus
China2164 Posts
finish the hedges before you go thx | ||
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whatusername
Canada1181 Posts
On May 30 2009 07:43 Dazed_Spy wrote: They should enforce a minimum time in which they are forced to practice, a reasonable hour, and allow the players to pick if they want to go further or not. thats what some teams do already don't they? i remember hwaseung had like 6 hours minimum of practice and idra saying something how they're required 10 hours of practice but chooses to practice even more | ||
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[)ark_Archer
United States28 Posts
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On May 30 2009 11:02 DM20 wrote: Have you ever seen the movie Rudy? Some of these kids biggest goal is to play one game in proleague. Achieving your goals is very enjoyable. Daniel Ruettiger got into Notre Dame, one of the more prestigious colleges in the US, probably because he studied hard and worked on his academics. Football may be his drive, but in the end he spent his time on things that would translate into later life success. Surely you can't tell me that being a B teamer on a SC team for 3 years will help one achieve more success later in life, because of that person finally got a chance to play a proleague game live. | ||
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Clow
Brazil880 Posts
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Scooge
Iceland144 Posts
On May 30 2009 13:01 baubo wrote: Daniel Ruettiger got into Notre Dame, one of the more prestigious colleges in the US, probably because he studied hard and worked on his academics. Football may be his drive, but in the end he spent his time on things that would translate into later life success. Surely you can't tell me that being a B teamer on a SC team for 3 years will help one achieve more success later in life, because of that person finally got a chance to play a proleague game live. Maybe you should give it up and stop worrying about what other people do with their lives. No one forces these kids to join the B team. There is actually competition to even GET to the B team. Maybe they enjoy what they're doing and whatever they get from it is enough. Shocking, but success isn't defined as upper middle-class with a nice house, nice car and a family by 30 for everyone. | ||
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
On May 30 2009 11:11 fearus wrote: The main problem here is you young gen-y kids living in a western country baffled by this concept of hard-work because you have been living in an era of give me give me give me. 10 hours pratice is nothing for what they are doing. I agree. What the hell, 10 hours is that much? Fuck, if you want to be the best you better practice your ass off or there will be someone else who will practice more than you and beat you. Do you think talent is enough to succeed? I can tell you that in the end all it matters is hard work because there is always someone almost or as talented as you who is waiting to take your spot. The idea on limiting practicing time is just retarded. And to 5 hours a day... What the hell?! Why the hell not limit studying time a day for everyone or working hours for everyone. Why there are people who are working 80-100 hours a week, Stop it!!! Lol Did you ever read about Kasparov preparation to the tournaments when he was in top form and his schedule during long tournaments. I can tell you that all he was doing was sleeping/eating and playing/analyzing games with his personal coaches. And he was taking one or two walks a day to think about games... Moreover, the famous time when he lost to Deep Blue, he underestimated his opponent, didn't follow usual schedule and got beaten by a computer that any of present top grandmasters could beat without much problem. And the need I can add that I am doing 10 hours each day, sometimes more sometimes a bit less and I feel fine. What's wrong if someone has drive, ambition and a goal? | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On May 30 2009 14:44 Scooge wrote: Maybe you should give it up and stop worrying about what other people do with their lives. No one forces these kids to join the B team. There is actually competition to even GET to the B team. Maybe they enjoy what they're doing and whatever they get from it is enough. Shocking, but success isn't defined as upper middle-class with a nice house, nice car and a family by 30 for everyone. I never said anything about forcing them to join. If you read carefully, everything I mentioned is about what happens to them while being ON the team. As for success, they're freaking teenagers. There's a reason why there are child labor laws and other restrictions placed on minors. Young people don't exactly make the best life decisions. | ||
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Piste
6183 Posts
On May 30 2009 08:23 Jumperer wrote: Those B teamers are screwed for life. getting paid 10 cent a day and having to practice 50 hours a day or get hit with a baseball bat ala old KTF coach. Well, at least they are getting payed  They get to play computer game for their job! They have free food and living, so they can save their pennies.On May 30 2009 08:50 29 fps wrote: i dont think they play for 10 hrs straight anyways. they watch reps, discuss, etc +1 @Jumperer: http://www.scforall.com/sctv/sc_tv01.asp?mNum=s03&movNum=100 Does that sound unhealthy for B-teamer? rafting, cliff jumping, paintball, football/volleyball ? You know progamers have to excercise too. That's on their schelude. ![[image loading]](http://image.fighterforum.com/showImage.asp?realFile=FFPICT20070215123944001.JPG) | ||
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