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On April 29 2009 00:38 MasterReY wrote:Ok guys, i have to write a comment on this one now after i saw all this dumb comments in this thread and in the LR: "you can't know what ur typing when you don't see the monitor" ???? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? Sorry, i don't want to insult you, but such comments speak of a lack of intelligence. since when people type with a MONITOR???? You type with a KEYBOARD and ur FINGERS. Nothing else. 95% of the people don't even need EYES to type! They press the buttons on the KEYBOARD with their FINGERS. Even the 5% rest of the people don't need a MONITOR either because they use the EYES to see how often they press which buttons. The most "unskilled" writers can stare at their KEYBOARD and COUNT how often they press a button. still no MONITOR needed at all. To the people who say "spellcheck": .....omg. you know the average reaction time of a human is about 1 second? So do you really think leta types ONE LETTER PER SECOND???? Ofc you type faster than that and you cannot spellcheck every letter before you press the next button, which includes the ENTER BUTTON ! It's almost not possible to stop pressing the enter button when you realize you have pressed one "p" too much. The MONITOR DOESNT MATTER AT ALL !!!!! Thats why you often see "i go to shcool" "*school". Because the message is already sent when you realize you fucked up a word, if its the last word in a sentence. And in Leta's case it even was the last LETTER of his message ! Also i've read: Show nested quote +To think I use to think hockey refs made bad calls
At least they don't disqualify a team for asking for a timeout improperly
I don't understand these kespa rules they seem to only allow referees to get some screen time. Are dq's sexy in Korea? ....DUDE, WHY ARE YOU LYING????? KeSPA DIDN't DQ THE WHOLE TEAM !!!!!! JUST ONE PLAYER !!! I hate it SO MUCH when people fucking LIE and state WRONG INFO or stupid comments which all don't matter just to exaggerate a situation. Please stop that..... Also i just read: Show nested quote +On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note. This again fucks up all this stupid monitor comments, BUT don't even think about this point now. The reasons i mentioned above are 100% enough to clarify, why this monitor comments are stupid and useless. So i don't expect much constructive replies to this but IF you want to reply, DO NOT mention this last point like "oh ok it wasn't clear the monitor was just flickering, so thats why i posted that" because thats not the reason i posted this.
what did you smoke? 
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On April 29 2009 01:07 MasterReY wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 00:53 hasuprotoss wrote:On April 29 2009 00:38 MasterReY wrote:Ok guys, i have to write a comment on this one now after i saw all this dumb comments in this thread and in the LR: "you can't know what ur typing when you don't see the monitor" ???? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? Sorry, i don't want to insult you, but such comments speak of a lack of intelligence. since when people type with a MONITOR???? You type with a KEYBOARD and ur FINGERS. Nothing else. 95% of the people don't even need EYES to type! They press the buttons on the KEYBOARD with their FINGERS. Even the 5% rest of the people don't need a MONITOR either because they use the EYES to see how often they press which buttons. The most "unskilled" writers can stare at their KEYBOARD and COUNT how often they press a button. still no MONITOR needed at all. To the people who say "spellcheck": .....omg. you know the average reaction time of a human is about 1 second? So do you really think leta types ONE LETTER PER SECOND???? Ofc you type faster than that and you cannot spellcheck every letter before you press the next button, which includes the ENTER BUTTON ! It's almost not possible to stop pressing the enter button when you realize you have pressed one "p" too much. The MONITOR DOESNT MATTER AT ALL !!!!! Thats why you often see "i go to shcool" "*school". Because the message is already sent when you realize you fucked up a word, if its the last word in a sentence. And in Leta's case it even was the last LETTER of his message ! Also i've read: To think I use to think hockey refs made bad calls
At least they don't disqualify a team for asking for a timeout improperly
I don't understand these kespa rules they seem to only allow referees to get some screen time. Are dq's sexy in Korea? ....DUDE, WHY ARE YOU LYING????? KeSPA DIDN't DQ THE WHOLE TEAM !!!!!! JUST ONE PLAYER !!! I hate it SO MUCH when people fucking LIE and state WRONG INFO or stupid comments which all don't matter just to exaggerate a situation. Please stop that..... Also i just read: On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note. This again fucks up all this stupid monitor comments, BUT don't even think about this point now. The reasons i mentioned above are 100% enough to clarify, why this monitor comments are stupid and useless. So i don't expect much constructive replies to this but IF you want to reply, DO NOT mention this last point like "oh ok it wasn't clear the monitor was just flickering, so thats why i posted that" because thats not the reason i posted this. Dear MasterRey, It has become apparent that you are an anti-fan boy. This coupled with your random as hell caps lock activations have brought the conclusion of the general consensus to the fact that you are an idiot. Sincerely, hasuprotoss PS: You aren't even addressing the real issue behind whether hitting "pp" is acceptable. Instead you are going off on some stupid random tangent. I'm totally not an anti-fanboy. Leta is actually really one of my favorite players. believe it or not. Ofc this decision is totally stupid, and i know the issue is that they should make an exception because it basically means the same as "ppp" and can't be confused with another msg. Don't assume things that make me stupid please. I posted that because there are so many stupid comments and the issue is rather obvious here and stated many times before in the thread(without stupid lies with it) so i didn't need to repeat that i think. My post only addresses to the wrong comments in this thread. And don't say i derail the thread because of that or w/e because the OP's issue is discussed and "solved" already like i said. My caps are on the important words in my post like "monitor" and "keyboard" so that they stand out more to clarify my msg.
You're still assuming that Leta knew how many p's he pressed. Who knows, maybe he thought that he pressed three. There is absolutely no way to know. I don't know why you are arguing that a perfect execution of typing three p's in a high intensity environment is necessary. Especially when something screws up with your monitor (even a little bit can throw you off).
Plus your paragraph about spellchecking is full of fail. It argues against what you seem to be saying. Plus you state that the reaction time of humans is 1 second. That's obviously not the case or else driving would be a much scarier place.
I'm not really going to continue to argue with you unless you actually bring something semi-intelligent to the table. Right now I have no idea what you are arguing and instead you sound like some rampant angry caveman through your first post.
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On April 29 2009 01:18 Juicyfruit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 00:58 MasterReY wrote:On April 29 2009 00:42 Zozma wrote:On April 29 2009 00:38 MasterReY wrote:Ok guys, i have to write a comment on this one now after i saw all this dumb comments in this thread and in the LR: "you can't know what ur typing when you don't see the monitor" ???? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? Sorry, i don't want to insult you, but such comments speak of a lack of intelligence. since when people type with a MONITOR???? You type with a KEYBOARD and ur FINGERS. Nothing else. 95% of the people don't even need EYES to type! They press the buttons on the KEYBOARD with their FINGERS. Even the 5% rest of the people don't need a MONITOR either because they use the EYES to see how often they press which buttons. The most "unskilled" writers can stare at their KEYBOARD and COUNT how often they press a button. still no MONITOR needed at all. To the people who say "spellcheck": .....omg. you know the average reaction time of a human is about 1 second? So do you really think leta types ONE LETTER PER SECOND???? Ofc you type faster than that and you cannot spellcheck every letter before you press the next button, which includes the ENTER BUTTON ! It's almost not possible to stop pressing the enter button when you realize you have pressed one "p" too much. The MONITOR DOESNT MATTER AT ALL !!!!! Thats why you often see "i go to shcool" "*school". Because the message is already sent when you realize you fucked up a word, if its the last word in a sentence. And in Leta's case it even was the last LETTER of his message ! Also i've read: To think I use to think hockey refs made bad calls
At least they don't disqualify a team for asking for a timeout improperly
I don't understand these kespa rules they seem to only allow referees to get some screen time. Are dq's sexy in Korea? ....DUDE, WHY ARE YOU LYING????? KeSPA DIDN't DQ THE WHOLE TEAM !!!!!! JUST ONE PLAYER !!! I hate it SO MUCH when people fucking LIE and state WRONG INFO or stupid comments which all don't matter just to exaggerate a situation. Please stop that..... Also i just read: On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note. This again fucks up all this stupid monitor comments, BUT don't even think about this point now. The reasons i mentioned above are 100% enough to clarify, why this monitor comments are stupid and useless. So i don't expect much constructive replies to this but IF you want to reply, DO NOT mention this last point like "oh ok it wasn't clear the monitor was just flickering, so thats why i posted that" because thats not the reason i posted this. Uh... hey there. I really don't understand what you're trying to say. It's not like the fact that he didn't need to see to type changes anything. Well, what most people are saying is that Leta thought he typed "ppp" and since he couldn't see his monitor there was no way for him to know that one of the "p"s didn't go through. 1. He can know he posted 2. But ok lets assume he didn't 2. if he's unsure he can still backspace and type "ppp" again. and yes he should take the effort and backspace if he's unsure, because its clearly stated in the rules and he should knew he gets DQ for this (ofc the rule itself is stupid, sop lets not talk about that, leta has to know its important to make sure he writes "ppp" instead of "pp") 3. Like i said before, even if he noticed that he typed just "pp" then he still would send it because the reaction time is not 0.1 secs (the time he needs to press the enter button after his last p) Dude, you gotta realize that the game IS STILL GOING ON because after the issue is resolved, the game will resume where it stopped. Anyone who knows anything about SC will know that you cannot just sit there doing nothing for 20 seconds and not suffer massive advantage. Even 5 seconds will cost you. Leta doesn't have the luxury of just sitting there and type "P"'s all day.
Your just saying that he has no time to type ONE letter more because his opponents gets an advantage because he can't play in that 0.1 sec?
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On April 29 2009 01:24 peja_ wrote:
can someone explain "along with the new 'GG' rule"? what is the new GG rule?
thanks
Simply that conceding defeat by typing anything other than "GG" or "gg" will result in a DQ and a warning.
Someone got slammed just a little while ago for typing "ww" instead of gg.
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On April 29 2009 01:30 MasterReY wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 01:18 Juicyfruit wrote:On April 29 2009 00:58 MasterReY wrote:On April 29 2009 00:42 Zozma wrote:On April 29 2009 00:38 MasterReY wrote:Ok guys, i have to write a comment on this one now after i saw all this dumb comments in this thread and in the LR: "you can't know what ur typing when you don't see the monitor" ???? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? Sorry, i don't want to insult you, but such comments speak of a lack of intelligence. since when people type with a MONITOR???? You type with a KEYBOARD and ur FINGERS. Nothing else. 95% of the people don't even need EYES to type! They press the buttons on the KEYBOARD with their FINGERS. Even the 5% rest of the people don't need a MONITOR either because they use the EYES to see how often they press which buttons. The most "unskilled" writers can stare at their KEYBOARD and COUNT how often they press a button. still no MONITOR needed at all. To the people who say "spellcheck": .....omg. you know the average reaction time of a human is about 1 second? So do you really think leta types ONE LETTER PER SECOND???? Ofc you type faster than that and you cannot spellcheck every letter before you press the next button, which includes the ENTER BUTTON ! It's almost not possible to stop pressing the enter button when you realize you have pressed one "p" too much. The MONITOR DOESNT MATTER AT ALL !!!!! Thats why you often see "i go to shcool" "*school". Because the message is already sent when you realize you fucked up a word, if its the last word in a sentence. And in Leta's case it even was the last LETTER of his message ! Also i've read: To think I use to think hockey refs made bad calls
At least they don't disqualify a team for asking for a timeout improperly
I don't understand these kespa rules they seem to only allow referees to get some screen time. Are dq's sexy in Korea? ....DUDE, WHY ARE YOU LYING????? KeSPA DIDN't DQ THE WHOLE TEAM !!!!!! JUST ONE PLAYER !!! I hate it SO MUCH when people fucking LIE and state WRONG INFO or stupid comments which all don't matter just to exaggerate a situation. Please stop that..... Also i just read: On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note. This again fucks up all this stupid monitor comments, BUT don't even think about this point now. The reasons i mentioned above are 100% enough to clarify, why this monitor comments are stupid and useless. So i don't expect much constructive replies to this but IF you want to reply, DO NOT mention this last point like "oh ok it wasn't clear the monitor was just flickering, so thats why i posted that" because thats not the reason i posted this. Uh... hey there. I really don't understand what you're trying to say. It's not like the fact that he didn't need to see to type changes anything. Well, what most people are saying is that Leta thought he typed "ppp" and since he couldn't see his monitor there was no way for him to know that one of the "p"s didn't go through. 1. He can know he posted 2. But ok lets assume he didn't 2. if he's unsure he can still backspace and type "ppp" again. and yes he should take the effort and backspace if he's unsure, because its clearly stated in the rules and he should knew he gets DQ for this (ofc the rule itself is stupid, sop lets not talk about that, leta has to know its important to make sure he writes "ppp" instead of "pp") 3. Like i said before, even if he noticed that he typed just "pp" then he still would send it because the reaction time is not 0.1 secs (the time he needs to press the enter button after his last p) Dude, you gotta realize that the game IS STILL GOING ON because after the issue is resolved, the game will resume where it stopped. Anyone who knows anything about SC will know that you cannot just sit there doing nothing for 20 seconds and not suffer massive advantage. Even 5 seconds will cost you. Leta doesn't have the luxury of just sitting there and type "P"'s all day. Your just saying that he has no time to type ONE letter more because his opponents gets an advantage because he can't play in that 0.1 sec?
You're missing the point, smart guy. Leta did not PURPOSELY choose to disobey the rules, but in the heat of the moment, especially with a malfunctioning screen, he HAD to rush to get the game paused and therefore cannot be bothered to double-check.
What you're asking Leta is to take time to PROOFREAD what he wrote several times on a flickering screen, which obviously takes more time than 0.1s
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On April 29 2009 01:31 erin[go]bragh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 01:24 peja_ wrote:
can someone explain "along with the new 'GG' rule"? what is the new GG rule?
thanks Simply that conceding defeat by typing anything other than "GG" or "gg" will result in a DQ and a warning. Someone got slammed just a little while ago for typing "ww" instead of gg.
Yep, here's the thread. Interestingly, even though Ruby's a relative no-name, AND it had no influence on the actual outcome of the game, it still got itself five pages.
Now that a well-known team ace got hit, and it "mattered", true nerd rage is being unleashed.
The more I think about it, the more I think that while the disqualification is too much for a pause mistake, the rule itself is fine. A warning for the pause thing should be enough.
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On April 29 2009 01:30 hasuprotoss wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 01:07 MasterReY wrote:On April 29 2009 00:53 hasuprotoss wrote:On April 29 2009 00:38 MasterReY wrote:Ok guys, i have to write a comment on this one now after i saw all this dumb comments in this thread and in the LR: "you can't know what ur typing when you don't see the monitor" ???? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? Sorry, i don't want to insult you, but such comments speak of a lack of intelligence. since when people type with a MONITOR???? You type with a KEYBOARD and ur FINGERS. Nothing else. 95% of the people don't even need EYES to type! They press the buttons on the KEYBOARD with their FINGERS. Even the 5% rest of the people don't need a MONITOR either because they use the EYES to see how often they press which buttons. The most "unskilled" writers can stare at their KEYBOARD and COUNT how often they press a button. still no MONITOR needed at all. To the people who say "spellcheck": .....omg. you know the average reaction time of a human is about 1 second? So do you really think leta types ONE LETTER PER SECOND???? Ofc you type faster than that and you cannot spellcheck every letter before you press the next button, which includes the ENTER BUTTON ! It's almost not possible to stop pressing the enter button when you realize you have pressed one "p" too much. The MONITOR DOESNT MATTER AT ALL !!!!! Thats why you often see "i go to shcool" "*school". Because the message is already sent when you realize you fucked up a word, if its the last word in a sentence. And in Leta's case it even was the last LETTER of his message ! Also i've read: To think I use to think hockey refs made bad calls
At least they don't disqualify a team for asking for a timeout improperly
I don't understand these kespa rules they seem to only allow referees to get some screen time. Are dq's sexy in Korea? ....DUDE, WHY ARE YOU LYING????? KeSPA DIDN't DQ THE WHOLE TEAM !!!!!! JUST ONE PLAYER !!! I hate it SO MUCH when people fucking LIE and state WRONG INFO or stupid comments which all don't matter just to exaggerate a situation. Please stop that..... Also i just read: On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note. This again fucks up all this stupid monitor comments, BUT don't even think about this point now. The reasons i mentioned above are 100% enough to clarify, why this monitor comments are stupid and useless. So i don't expect much constructive replies to this but IF you want to reply, DO NOT mention this last point like "oh ok it wasn't clear the monitor was just flickering, so thats why i posted that" because thats not the reason i posted this. Dear MasterRey, It has become apparent that you are an anti-fan boy. This coupled with your random as hell caps lock activations have brought the conclusion of the general consensus to the fact that you are an idiot. Sincerely, hasuprotoss PS: You aren't even addressing the real issue behind whether hitting "pp" is acceptable. Instead you are going off on some stupid random tangent. I'm totally not an anti-fanboy. Leta is actually really one of my favorite players. believe it or not. Ofc this decision is totally stupid, and i know the issue is that they should make an exception because it basically means the same as "ppp" and can't be confused with another msg. Don't assume things that make me stupid please. I posted that because there are so many stupid comments and the issue is rather obvious here and stated many times before in the thread(without stupid lies with it) so i didn't need to repeat that i think. My post only addresses to the wrong comments in this thread. And don't say i derail the thread because of that or w/e because the OP's issue is discussed and "solved" already like i said. My caps are on the important words in my post like "monitor" and "keyboard" so that they stand out more to clarify my msg. You're still assuming that Leta knew how many p's he pressed. Who knows, maybe he thought that he pressed three. There is absolutely no way to know. I don't know why you are arguing that a perfect execution of typing three p's in a high intensity environment is necessary. Especially when something screws up with your monitor (even a little bit can throw you off). Plus your paragraph about spellchecking is full of fail. It argues against what you seem to be saying. Plus you state that the reaction time of humans is 1 second. That's obviously not the case or else driving would be a much scarier place. I'm not really going to continue to argue with you unless you actually bring something semi-intelligent to the table. Right now I have no idea what you are arguing and instead you sound like some rampant angry caveman through your first post.
I'm not assuming he knew how many he typed. i explained both cases.
here is the part where im assuming he didn't know:
2. if he's unsure he can still backspace and type "ppp" again. and yes he should take the effort and backspace if he's unsure, because its clearly stated in the rules and he should knew he gets DQ for this
Reaction time is about 0.3-0.4 i checked that now. Still ALOT more than you need to press one single button on the keyboard. (the 1 second i mentioned was from car driving actually.....uh totally ur example. source: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrecksekunde, its only german and the english entry for this doesn't exists but im not trying to get more info to make it clear. ask germans to confirm its 1sec in driving.)
Please tell me why my part about spellchecking argues against myself.
Stop insulting me every post. thanks
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I distinctly recall watching a game recently where the REF called for a pause with 'pppp'. KeSPA needs to DQ its own retarded ass.
Edit: Thinking maybe it was Canata/Shine in MST?
Reedit: Nope, that wasn't it. I'll keep thinking.
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who would have thought that typing exactly 3 p's perfectly in less than 0.1 seconds blindfolded is the most important skill in starcraft
if you mess that up you lose the game instantly and threatens your career as a progamer
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On April 29 2009 01:37 Juicyfruit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 01:30 MasterReY wrote:On April 29 2009 01:18 Juicyfruit wrote:On April 29 2009 00:58 MasterReY wrote:On April 29 2009 00:42 Zozma wrote:On April 29 2009 00:38 MasterReY wrote:Ok guys, i have to write a comment on this one now after i saw all this dumb comments in this thread and in the LR: "you can't know what ur typing when you don't see the monitor" ???? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? Sorry, i don't want to insult you, but such comments speak of a lack of intelligence. since when people type with a MONITOR???? You type with a KEYBOARD and ur FINGERS. Nothing else. 95% of the people don't even need EYES to type! They press the buttons on the KEYBOARD with their FINGERS. Even the 5% rest of the people don't need a MONITOR either because they use the EYES to see how often they press which buttons. The most "unskilled" writers can stare at their KEYBOARD and COUNT how often they press a button. still no MONITOR needed at all. To the people who say "spellcheck": .....omg. you know the average reaction time of a human is about 1 second? So do you really think leta types ONE LETTER PER SECOND???? Ofc you type faster than that and you cannot spellcheck every letter before you press the next button, which includes the ENTER BUTTON ! It's almost not possible to stop pressing the enter button when you realize you have pressed one "p" too much. The MONITOR DOESNT MATTER AT ALL !!!!! Thats why you often see "i go to shcool" "*school". Because the message is already sent when you realize you fucked up a word, if its the last word in a sentence. And in Leta's case it even was the last LETTER of his message ! Also i've read: To think I use to think hockey refs made bad calls
At least they don't disqualify a team for asking for a timeout improperly
I don't understand these kespa rules they seem to only allow referees to get some screen time. Are dq's sexy in Korea? ....DUDE, WHY ARE YOU LYING????? KeSPA DIDN't DQ THE WHOLE TEAM !!!!!! JUST ONE PLAYER !!! I hate it SO MUCH when people fucking LIE and state WRONG INFO or stupid comments which all don't matter just to exaggerate a situation. Please stop that..... Also i just read: On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note. This again fucks up all this stupid monitor comments, BUT don't even think about this point now. The reasons i mentioned above are 100% enough to clarify, why this monitor comments are stupid and useless. So i don't expect much constructive replies to this but IF you want to reply, DO NOT mention this last point like "oh ok it wasn't clear the monitor was just flickering, so thats why i posted that" because thats not the reason i posted this. Uh... hey there. I really don't understand what you're trying to say. It's not like the fact that he didn't need to see to type changes anything. Well, what most people are saying is that Leta thought he typed "ppp" and since he couldn't see his monitor there was no way for him to know that one of the "p"s didn't go through. 1. He can know he posted 2. But ok lets assume he didn't 2. if he's unsure he can still backspace and type "ppp" again. and yes he should take the effort and backspace if he's unsure, because its clearly stated in the rules and he should knew he gets DQ for this (ofc the rule itself is stupid, sop lets not talk about that, leta has to know its important to make sure he writes "ppp" instead of "pp") 3. Like i said before, even if he noticed that he typed just "pp" then he still would send it because the reaction time is not 0.1 secs (the time he needs to press the enter button after his last p) Dude, you gotta realize that the game IS STILL GOING ON because after the issue is resolved, the game will resume where it stopped. Anyone who knows anything about SC will know that you cannot just sit there doing nothing for 20 seconds and not suffer massive advantage. Even 5 seconds will cost you. Leta doesn't have the luxury of just sitting there and type "P"'s all day. Your just saying that he has no time to type ONE letter more because his opponents gets an advantage because he can't play in that 0.1 sec? You're missing the point, smart guy. Leta did not PURPOSELY choose to disobey the rules, but in the heat of the moment, especially with a malfunctioning screen, he HAD to rush to get the game paused and therefore cannot be bothered to double-check. What you're asking Leta is to take time to PROOFREAD what he wrote several times on a flickering screen, which obviously takes more time than 0.1s
im happy you totally confirmed my point.
The whole reason for my post was to say that comments like "monitor was broken he couldn't check what he was typing" are stupid.
you just said he had no time to check in the heat of the moment. So monitor not needed. correct?
like i said i totally agree with the rule being stupid.
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This is stupid, you're in the middle of a game, I can understand the GG one but if you SERIOUSLY need a pause in the middle of the game your main concern is getting the game paused because something is wrong, not doing a perfect request for a pause. This scenario doesn't prove it because from what I've read it was in a down time area of the match, but what happens if it's right before a battle and something like this happens?
I think this is just kespa pushing it too far, this rule is unnecessary, handle it by scenario not by a generic rule to be applied to every situation. if someone types "FUCK YOU PAUSE" you wouldn't handle it the same as someone going "PPPPPPPPPP" for pause.
Meh, poor leta, he got screwed imo this rule is useless to make the players be that specific mid-game on a pause where anything could make or break the game sometimes.
/end rant
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On April 29 2009 01:41 MasterReY wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 01:37 Juicyfruit wrote:On April 29 2009 01:30 MasterReY wrote:On April 29 2009 01:18 Juicyfruit wrote:On April 29 2009 00:58 MasterReY wrote:On April 29 2009 00:42 Zozma wrote:On April 29 2009 00:38 MasterReY wrote:Ok guys, i have to write a comment on this one now after i saw all this dumb comments in this thread and in the LR: "you can't know what ur typing when you don't see the monitor" ???? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? Sorry, i don't want to insult you, but such comments speak of a lack of intelligence. since when people type with a MONITOR???? You type with a KEYBOARD and ur FINGERS. Nothing else. 95% of the people don't even need EYES to type! They press the buttons on the KEYBOARD with their FINGERS. Even the 5% rest of the people don't need a MONITOR either because they use the EYES to see how often they press which buttons. The most "unskilled" writers can stare at their KEYBOARD and COUNT how often they press a button. still no MONITOR needed at all. To the people who say "spellcheck": .....omg. you know the average reaction time of a human is about 1 second? So do you really think leta types ONE LETTER PER SECOND???? Ofc you type faster than that and you cannot spellcheck every letter before you press the next button, which includes the ENTER BUTTON ! It's almost not possible to stop pressing the enter button when you realize you have pressed one "p" too much. The MONITOR DOESNT MATTER AT ALL !!!!! Thats why you often see "i go to shcool" "*school". Because the message is already sent when you realize you fucked up a word, if its the last word in a sentence. And in Leta's case it even was the last LETTER of his message ! Also i've read: To think I use to think hockey refs made bad calls
At least they don't disqualify a team for asking for a timeout improperly
I don't understand these kespa rules they seem to only allow referees to get some screen time. Are dq's sexy in Korea? ....DUDE, WHY ARE YOU LYING????? KeSPA DIDN't DQ THE WHOLE TEAM !!!!!! JUST ONE PLAYER !!! I hate it SO MUCH when people fucking LIE and state WRONG INFO or stupid comments which all don't matter just to exaggerate a situation. Please stop that..... Also i just read: On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note. This again fucks up all this stupid monitor comments, BUT don't even think about this point now. The reasons i mentioned above are 100% enough to clarify, why this monitor comments are stupid and useless. So i don't expect much constructive replies to this but IF you want to reply, DO NOT mention this last point like "oh ok it wasn't clear the monitor was just flickering, so thats why i posted that" because thats not the reason i posted this. Uh... hey there. I really don't understand what you're trying to say. It's not like the fact that he didn't need to see to type changes anything. Well, what most people are saying is that Leta thought he typed "ppp" and since he couldn't see his monitor there was no way for him to know that one of the "p"s didn't go through. 1. He can know he posted 2. But ok lets assume he didn't 2. if he's unsure he can still backspace and type "ppp" again. and yes he should take the effort and backspace if he's unsure, because its clearly stated in the rules and he should knew he gets DQ for this (ofc the rule itself is stupid, sop lets not talk about that, leta has to know its important to make sure he writes "ppp" instead of "pp") 3. Like i said before, even if he noticed that he typed just "pp" then he still would send it because the reaction time is not 0.1 secs (the time he needs to press the enter button after his last p) Dude, you gotta realize that the game IS STILL GOING ON because after the issue is resolved, the game will resume where it stopped. Anyone who knows anything about SC will know that you cannot just sit there doing nothing for 20 seconds and not suffer massive advantage. Even 5 seconds will cost you. Leta doesn't have the luxury of just sitting there and type "P"'s all day. Your just saying that he has no time to type ONE letter more because his opponents gets an advantage because he can't play in that 0.1 sec? You're missing the point, smart guy. Leta did not PURPOSELY choose to disobey the rules, but in the heat of the moment, especially with a malfunctioning screen, he HAD to rush to get the game paused and therefore cannot be bothered to double-check. What you're asking Leta is to take time to PROOFREAD what he wrote several times on a flickering screen, which obviously takes more time than 0.1s im happy you totally confirmed my point. The whole reason for my post was to say that comments like "monitor was broken he couldn't check what he was typing" are stupid. you just said he had no time to check in the heat of the moment. So monitor not needed. correct?
Obviously, your ability to judge whether you typed something correctly would be further impaired if you could not even see clearly what you're typing, making his mistake even more forgivable.
However, I am also saying that even if the screen was working perfectly, it's still a dumb rule to uphold because under the pressure of a match, it's unreasonable to ask players to divert their attention from the game to concentrate on HOW TO PAUSE THE GAME properly.
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Ok, we know that Fomos didnt interview Kal, not to mentioning about this
But, what about Leta, no media interested in listening what the affected player wants to say??
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On April 29 2009 01:30 MasterReY wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 01:18 Juicyfruit wrote:On April 29 2009 00:58 MasterReY wrote:On April 29 2009 00:42 Zozma wrote:On April 29 2009 00:38 MasterReY wrote:Ok guys, i have to write a comment on this one now after i saw all this dumb comments in this thread and in the LR: "you can't know what ur typing when you don't see the monitor" ???? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? Sorry, i don't want to insult you, but such comments speak of a lack of intelligence. since when people type with a MONITOR???? You type with a KEYBOARD and ur FINGERS. Nothing else. 95% of the people don't even need EYES to type! They press the buttons on the KEYBOARD with their FINGERS. Even the 5% rest of the people don't need a MONITOR either because they use the EYES to see how often they press which buttons. The most "unskilled" writers can stare at their KEYBOARD and COUNT how often they press a button. still no MONITOR needed at all. To the people who say "spellcheck": .....omg. you know the average reaction time of a human is about 1 second? So do you really think leta types ONE LETTER PER SECOND???? Ofc you type faster than that and you cannot spellcheck every letter before you press the next button, which includes the ENTER BUTTON ! It's almost not possible to stop pressing the enter button when you realize you have pressed one "p" too much. The MONITOR DOESNT MATTER AT ALL !!!!! Thats why you often see "i go to shcool" "*school". Because the message is already sent when you realize you fucked up a word, if its the last word in a sentence. And in Leta's case it even was the last LETTER of his message ! Also i've read: To think I use to think hockey refs made bad calls
At least they don't disqualify a team for asking for a timeout improperly
I don't understand these kespa rules they seem to only allow referees to get some screen time. Are dq's sexy in Korea? ....DUDE, WHY ARE YOU LYING????? KeSPA DIDN't DQ THE WHOLE TEAM !!!!!! JUST ONE PLAYER !!! I hate it SO MUCH when people fucking LIE and state WRONG INFO or stupid comments which all don't matter just to exaggerate a situation. Please stop that..... Also i just read: On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note. This again fucks up all this stupid monitor comments, BUT don't even think about this point now. The reasons i mentioned above are 100% enough to clarify, why this monitor comments are stupid and useless. So i don't expect much constructive replies to this but IF you want to reply, DO NOT mention this last point like "oh ok it wasn't clear the monitor was just flickering, so thats why i posted that" because thats not the reason i posted this. Uh... hey there. I really don't understand what you're trying to say. It's not like the fact that he didn't need to see to type changes anything. Well, what most people are saying is that Leta thought he typed "ppp" and since he couldn't see his monitor there was no way for him to know that one of the "p"s didn't go through. 1. He can know he posted 2. But ok lets assume he didn't 2. if he's unsure he can still backspace and type "ppp" again. and yes he should take the effort and backspace if he's unsure, because its clearly stated in the rules and he should knew he gets DQ for this (ofc the rule itself is stupid, sop lets not talk about that, leta has to know its important to make sure he writes "ppp" instead of "pp") 3. Like i said before, even if he noticed that he typed just "pp" then he still would send it because the reaction time is not 0.1 secs (the time he needs to press the enter button after his last p) Dude, you gotta realize that the game IS STILL GOING ON because after the issue is resolved, the game will resume where it stopped. Anyone who knows anything about SC will know that you cannot just sit there doing nothing for 20 seconds and not suffer massive advantage. Even 5 seconds will cost you. Leta doesn't have the luxury of just sitting there and type "P"'s all day. Your just saying that he has no time to type ONE letter more because his opponents gets an advantage because he can't play in that 0.1 sec?
Just stop it man. You're making a fool of yourself and you going on to defend the things you said in your first post over and over again is only making it worse.
The main reason people are annoyed about this seemed to have passed way over your head as you argue about pointless stuff and seem to be more interested in nitpicking apart people's post. The reason people are annoyed is that anyone can make the mistake of typing one letter more or less into the chat. Should that cost them the effort of 12hour a day training and a good overall game performance do you think? Do you find that reasonable? If you don't please stop trying to defend your initial points because they all point to the fact that you do.
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On April 29 2009 01:45 Juicyfruit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 01:41 MasterReY wrote:On April 29 2009 01:37 Juicyfruit wrote:On April 29 2009 01:30 MasterReY wrote:On April 29 2009 01:18 Juicyfruit wrote:On April 29 2009 00:58 MasterReY wrote:On April 29 2009 00:42 Zozma wrote:On April 29 2009 00:38 MasterReY wrote:Ok guys, i have to write a comment on this one now after i saw all this dumb comments in this thread and in the LR: "you can't know what ur typing when you don't see the monitor" ???? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? Sorry, i don't want to insult you, but such comments speak of a lack of intelligence. since when people type with a MONITOR???? You type with a KEYBOARD and ur FINGERS. Nothing else. 95% of the people don't even need EYES to type! They press the buttons on the KEYBOARD with their FINGERS. Even the 5% rest of the people don't need a MONITOR either because they use the EYES to see how often they press which buttons. The most "unskilled" writers can stare at their KEYBOARD and COUNT how often they press a button. still no MONITOR needed at all. To the people who say "spellcheck": .....omg. you know the average reaction time of a human is about 1 second? So do you really think leta types ONE LETTER PER SECOND???? Ofc you type faster than that and you cannot spellcheck every letter before you press the next button, which includes the ENTER BUTTON ! It's almost not possible to stop pressing the enter button when you realize you have pressed one "p" too much. The MONITOR DOESNT MATTER AT ALL !!!!! Thats why you often see "i go to shcool" "*school". Because the message is already sent when you realize you fucked up a word, if its the last word in a sentence. And in Leta's case it even was the last LETTER of his message ! Also i've read: To think I use to think hockey refs made bad calls
At least they don't disqualify a team for asking for a timeout improperly
I don't understand these kespa rules they seem to only allow referees to get some screen time. Are dq's sexy in Korea? ....DUDE, WHY ARE YOU LYING????? KeSPA DIDN't DQ THE WHOLE TEAM !!!!!! JUST ONE PLAYER !!! I hate it SO MUCH when people fucking LIE and state WRONG INFO or stupid comments which all don't matter just to exaggerate a situation. Please stop that..... Also i just read: On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note. This again fucks up all this stupid monitor comments, BUT don't even think about this point now. The reasons i mentioned above are 100% enough to clarify, why this monitor comments are stupid and useless. So i don't expect much constructive replies to this but IF you want to reply, DO NOT mention this last point like "oh ok it wasn't clear the monitor was just flickering, so thats why i posted that" because thats not the reason i posted this. Uh... hey there. I really don't understand what you're trying to say. It's not like the fact that he didn't need to see to type changes anything. Well, what most people are saying is that Leta thought he typed "ppp" and since he couldn't see his monitor there was no way for him to know that one of the "p"s didn't go through. 1. He can know he posted 2. But ok lets assume he didn't 2. if he's unsure he can still backspace and type "ppp" again. and yes he should take the effort and backspace if he's unsure, because its clearly stated in the rules and he should knew he gets DQ for this (ofc the rule itself is stupid, sop lets not talk about that, leta has to know its important to make sure he writes "ppp" instead of "pp") 3. Like i said before, even if he noticed that he typed just "pp" then he still would send it because the reaction time is not 0.1 secs (the time he needs to press the enter button after his last p) Dude, you gotta realize that the game IS STILL GOING ON because after the issue is resolved, the game will resume where it stopped. Anyone who knows anything about SC will know that you cannot just sit there doing nothing for 20 seconds and not suffer massive advantage. Even 5 seconds will cost you. Leta doesn't have the luxury of just sitting there and type "P"'s all day. Your just saying that he has no time to type ONE letter more because his opponents gets an advantage because he can't play in that 0.1 sec? You're missing the point, smart guy. Leta did not PURPOSELY choose to disobey the rules, but in the heat of the moment, especially with a malfunctioning screen, he HAD to rush to get the game paused and therefore cannot be bothered to double-check. What you're asking Leta is to take time to PROOFREAD what he wrote several times on a flickering screen, which obviously takes more time than 0.1s im happy you totally confirmed my point. The whole reason for my post was to say that comments like "monitor was broken he couldn't check what he was typing" are stupid. you just said he had no time to check in the heat of the moment. So monitor not needed. correct? Obviously, your ability to judge whether you typed something correctly would be further impaired if you could not even see clearly what you're typing. However, I am also saying that even if the screen was working perfectly, it's still a dumb rule to uphold because under the pressure of a match, it's unreasonable to ask players to divert their attention from the game to concentrate on HOW TO PAUSE THE GAME properly.
Yes of course. i have the same opinion.
Rule is stupid and kespa shouldnt DQ leta. I'm just posting against people who try to make kespas decision worse by saying "omg kespa is stupid because he didn't even saw what he was typing.
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if i met that guy on the street i'd probably just punch him in the face and carry on walking.
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On April 29 2009 01:54 Zurles wrote:
if i met that guy on the street i'd probably just punch him in the face and carry on walking.
the kespa ref couldn't do anything else or otherwise he would lose his job probably.
The one to blame is kespa for not allowing "pp"
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Wow that referee must've been completely braindead, where do they find those people, incredible.
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