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[SPOILERS] Leta and KeSPA controversy

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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-28 14:28:08
April 28 2009 12:31 GMT
#1
Okay, so today, Leta and Kal were playing, stuff happened, then suddenly Leta's VGA broke down or something, so Leta typed pp. KeSPA then said he is disqualified because he typed 'pp' instead of 'ppp'. WTF?

Anyway, here's the Fomos article on it.

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Hite Sparkyz's Leta - 'Forfeit Loss' (Disqualification) after breaking the 'Game Pausing' rule

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▶ Shinhan Bank Proleague 08-09 Round 4 Week 4 Day 4
◆ Hite 1 : 1 STX
Set 1 - Neo Medusa - HoRang2 (Win) (Protoss, 1) vs Hwasin (Loss) (Terran, 7)
Set 2 - Outsider - Leta (Disqualified) (Terran, 1) vs Kal (Win) (Protoss, 5)

STX's Kal took victory over Hite's Leta after Hite broke the 'Game Pausing' rule and was disqualified.

Both players went fast expand, and Leta went for harassment using dropship while going for triple Command, whereas Kal defended the dropship harassment and summoned his Nexus at 7.

After defending the dropship harassment, Kal used his shuttle to drop zealots and dragoons to harass, and rendered Leta's 11 expo useless by harassing with reaver and shuttle, getting a clear advantage.

Following this, Leta defended his opponent's attacks, and amassed a big han-bang army and set off, and half-way through, typed 'pp' and the game was paused.

Because of this, the game was paused, and KeSPA referee Chang Suk Jun disqualified Leta after checking Leta's PC.

After a problem in Leta's (computer's) VGA card occurred, which made the monitor unable to display visuals clearly, Leta requested for a pause by typing 'pp', which the referee said was the reason for Leta's disqualification.

With the start of Round 4, along with the new 'GG' rule, another rule was implemented, which says that when requesting for a pause, the players must type 'ppp'. However, Leta typed 'pp' instead of the official 'ppp' request term, which led to Leta's disqualification.

Because of this, the score became tied at 1:1, with STX winning the set (set 2).

On the other hand, Hite's Leta was given a warning for breaking the 'Game Pausing' rule.


Source: Fomos.kr

EDIT: OH WOW, FOMOS DECIDES NOT TO INTERVIEW KAL, AND TOTALLY IGNORES THAT ISSUE WHEN INTERVIEWING THE OTHER STX WINNERS

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The idiot referee.


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A very sad Leta (and coach).


Some comments on Fomos by the netizens:
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"Ge-SPA (Dog-SPA), have you gone crazy? kekekeke" (Ge, sounding similar to Ke, means Dog)
"Die Chang Suk Jun ㅡㅡㅗ"
"This is so sad... Leta was clearly at an advantage. KeSPA is screwed."
"Whoa wtf is this"
"Fucking referee"
"When they made the rules I knew something like this would happen... rules are rules but seriously..."
"I'm lost for words at the stupidity of this"
"Are you fucking with me? I was watching this so excitedly then this. Leta must be feeling like shit."
"Since when were they so uptight about sticking to the rules that they lost their common sense?"
"e-sports is fucked."


Update: Oh wow, all the flaming by the Netizens on the KeSPA's official site is hilarious. Almost 125 threads made on the official KeSPA website's board. And KeSPA has yet to make a single comment. Korean Netizens are such heroes. To those who can read Korean - LINK


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AltaiR_
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Korea (South)922 Posts
April 28 2009 12:34 GMT
#2
retarded, whats the difference between one letter, i've seen pp used more than ppp.... kespa's being pathetic.
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Diomedes
Profile Joined March 2009
464 Posts
April 28 2009 12:36 GMT
#3
'pp' means 'pause please'. WTF is 'ppp'? Everyone always uses 'pp'.

They made a typing error setting up the rules?
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
April 28 2009 12:36 GMT
#4
His monitor broke, unable to display things clearly, and they DQed him because he couldn't spellcheck himself?
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Random()
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
April 28 2009 12:36 GMT
#5
Totally uncalled for, what the hell.

Why can't the players/coaches/teams protest against such stupid rules?
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
April 28 2009 12:37 GMT
#6
Added some netizen comments. Words fail to describe my rage.
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MorningMusume11
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3490 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-28 12:39:14
April 28 2009 12:39 GMT
#7
one letter decided the possible outcome of a team match wow
oneill
Profile Joined August 2004
Philippines278 Posts
April 28 2009 12:40 GMT
#8
His VGA broke. How could he know he was typing PPP instead of PP. What if the monitor was disconnected and he couldn't type PPP? WTF is this rule its really a stupid rule. P or PP or PPP or PPPP is the same. IT MEANS PAUSE!
OreoBoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada1639 Posts
April 28 2009 12:40 GMT
#9
To think I use to think hockey refs made bad calls
At least they don't disqualify a team for asking for a timeout improperly
I don't understand these kespa rules they seem to only allow referees to get some screen time. Are dq's sexy in Korea?
Diomedes
Profile Joined March 2009
464 Posts
April 28 2009 12:42 GMT
#10
The refs didn't make a bad call if the rules say saying 'pp' means you should be disqualified.
Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
April 28 2009 12:44 GMT
#11
On April 28 2009 21:40 oneill wrote:
His VGA broke. How could he know he was typing PPP instead of PP. What if the monitor was disconnected and he couldn't type PPP? WTF is this rule its really a stupid rule. P or PP or PPP or PPPP is the same. IT MEANS PAUSE!

Yep.. Its like they didnt notice the MONITOR BROKE DOWN!!!

Fucking idiots..
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Pioneer
Profile Joined December 2008
994 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-28 12:45:42
April 28 2009 12:44 GMT
#12
Kind of ridiculous. I mean he couldn't see his monitor so there should be at least some clause in the rule barring dq if you're not able to visually see what you're typing on your monitor.

KeSPA has never been very smart though, so it doesn't surprise me that they'd be insanely short sided and stubborn over a situation like this.
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7222 Posts
April 28 2009 12:48 GMT
#13
It's a new Starcraft skill. To be a true gosu you need a class in typing blind.
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
April 28 2009 12:49 GMT
#14
It seems like KeSPA recruited brainless people to do the umpiring.
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-28 12:51:34
April 28 2009 12:50 GMT
#15
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note.
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17727 Posts
April 28 2009 12:50 GMT
#16
recruited people who probably dont even play starcraft -_-
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Pioneer
Profile Joined December 2008
994 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-28 12:53:10
April 28 2009 12:52 GMT
#17
On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
It's not like his monitor went black or anything. They just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note.

If there is any visual impairment then that rule should not be used in a case like this. Hell, even if there was no impairment penalizing him for saying pp instead of ppp is insanely stupid.
Spenguin
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia3316 Posts
April 28 2009 12:52 GMT
#18
Fuck I want to hurt Kespa so bad.
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-28 12:53:48
April 28 2009 12:53 GMT
#19
Fomos decides not to interview Kal. Wtf.

OH WOW. THEY TOTALLY IGNORED THAT ISSUE WHEN INTERVIEWING THE OTHER STX PLAYERS.
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d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
April 28 2009 12:53 GMT
#20
The worst part is it pretty much changed the results of the series because Leta would have won and it would have gone to Ace where he would have raped anybody but July+ Show Spoiler +
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