[SPOILERS] Leta and KeSPA controversy - Page 9
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On April 29 2009 02:49 s_86 wrote: The rules were stated, the penalties were stated. What if someone zz's, and his opponent, content with assuming he won, stops everything hes doing, and gg's in return, but then that zz guy pauses the game, and claims zz meant something else. There needs to be a line drawn somewhere, and Kespa just put their standards really high. I feel it is more professional on their part. Rules are rules, follow them and there won't be any problems. Just because the rules and penalties are stated does not mean that those rules and penalties make sense. When a one-letter typo while your monitor is broken can lose you the game (and likely your team the match), shit is wrong. I don't think most people are saying that an exception should have been made for Leta in this situation (though that certainly would have made sense) but rather that the original rule is incredibly messed up. | ||
Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
On April 29 2009 02:29 sashkata wrote: That way there could be some double standarts. Same situations being called differently by different refs. That could piss off some teams. No, because every message carries the weight of giving up. Meaning, if you type anything, you better be ready to explain yourself, or you lose. What I mean is, it's not the message that should disqualify you, it's the purpose to which it has been sent. If no purpose is justifiable by the player (only reasons allowed are technical problems, which are verifiable by camera as well as going inside the booth and checking out the thing), then the player better be ready to be disqualified. The rule can be formally written as: -Players may only type ingame for the purpose of giving up OR requesting a pause for technical difficulties with their machine. If the player has not given up, nor has any problems with the computer, he is disqualified. The criteria where the referee has to judge is not on what has he typed, but why he did. Essentially, you type something, you get to talk with papa, and if you have nothing to say, then you're going to get spanked. | ||
Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
In a situaion like this where tenths of seconds matter a great deal, I'd probably just mash "P" "about 3 times", letting them know about the game needing to be paused asap. If I even can remember the ppp rule in the heat of the moment, it takes too long to carefully type ppp like that, and even if the pause is then legal, my whole army will have already died. In short, this rule sucks ass. | ||
Raithed
China7078 Posts
hit p three times hit enter. | ||
okum
France5777 Posts
On April 29 2009 02:23 Yurebis wrote: The rules should be modified to be more broad. Considering they banned chatting ingame, its obvious that whenever a player types something, there's either a problem or he's giving up. They should make it so that the referees have a call on which one it is, regardless of what the player types. The way they have it set right now is basically an auto-ban feature where if the progamer presses enter -> any key sequence but "gg" or "ppp" -> enter, they're disqualified, which is utterly retarded. Are the referees so dumb that they can only identify those two codes? How it should be: If the player types gg, ww, zizi yo or whatever other common "forfeiting" sentences, the referee assumes he's given up. If he types anything BUT these words, the referee pauses the game and goes check out why has he sent such message. If it's anything other than a technical problem, then the referee may disqualify him. Point is, disqualification should be given only when the intent of the player was just messing around with the chat function for no reason (which in my opinion shouldn't be banned at all either, but whatever). Get out of here with your reason and common sense! | ||
unknown.sam
Philippines2701 Posts
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
Too bad most of us dont have korean ID numbers. | ||
AloneInDaBunker
Korea (South)123 Posts
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
On April 29 2009 03:09 AloneInDaBunker wrote: rule isn't that ridiculous. the problem is the harshness of the penalty. a warning was certainly enough not a fukn DQ He got a warning, after a DQ haha.. Kespa is seriously fucked.. | ||
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Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
On April 29 2009 02:45 pubbanana wrote: I guess no one recognizes the name Chang Seok Jun - he's Bassy, oldschool Zerg progamer who took down big names like Garimto, Boxer, NaDa, TheMarine, and Grrr in his prime. It's unfortunate that he did this to Leta. I still don't know how you recall ancient details about obscure progamers in such detail. But yeah, an ex-pro doing this seems... odd. You'd think he'd have some sympathy. | ||
darkemperor
Turkey725 Posts
pppp. | ||
Zozma
United States1626 Posts
On April 29 2009 03:27 Last Romantic wrote: Well, back in his day they only had one type of "gg" and they were happy with it. There wasn't none of this "zizi Yo" or pausing the game and only typing TWO "p"s. Kids these days.I still don't know how you recall ancient details about obscure progamers in such detail. But yeah, an ex-pro doing this seems... odd. You'd think he'd have some sympathy. | ||
StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
Type gg for defeat. Type ppp for pause. Does it matter if you accidently hit ggg? or just pp? is it bad mannered or abusing the chat function? answer is: No. The rules were made to avoid confusion and unnecessary chat. This is going against why the rules were made... | ||
Heimatloser
Germany1494 Posts
hope for an official "sorry" though. | ||
SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On April 29 2009 00:38 MasterReY wrote: Ok guys, i have to write a comment on this one now after i saw all this dumb comments in this thread and in the LR: "you can't know what ur typing when you don't see the monitor" ???? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? Sorry, i don't want to insult you, but such comments speak of a lack of intelligence. since when people type with a MONITOR???? You type with a KEYBOARD and ur FINGERS. Nothing else. 95% of the people don't even need EYES to type! They press the buttons on the KEYBOARD with their FINGERS. Even the 5% rest of the people don't need a MONITOR either because they use the EYES to see how often they press which buttons. The most "unskilled" writers can stare at their KEYBOARD and COUNT how often they press a button. still no MONITOR needed at all. To the people who say "spellcheck": .....omg. you know the average reaction time of a human is about 1 second? So do you really think leta types ONE LETTER PER SECOND???? Ofc you type faster than that and you cannot spellcheck every letter before you press the next button, which includes the ENTER BUTTON ! It's almost not possible to stop pressing the enter button when you realize you have pressed one "p" too much. The MONITOR DOESNT MATTER AT ALL !!!!! Thats why you often see "i go to shcool" "*school". Because the message is already sent when you realize you fucked up a word, if its the last word in a sentence. And in Leta's case it even was the last LETTER of his message ! Also i've read: ....DUDE, WHY ARE YOU LYING????? KeSPA DIDN't DQ THE WHOLE TEAM !!!!!! JUST ONE PLAYER !!! I hate it SO MUCH when people fucking LIE and state WRONG INFO or stupid comments which all don't matter just to exaggerate a situation. Please stop that..... Also i just read: This again fucks up all this stupid monitor comments, BUT don't even think about this point now. The reasons i mentioned above are 100% enough to clarify, why this monitor comments are stupid and useless. So i don't expect much constructive replies to this but IF you want to reply, DO NOT mention this last point like "oh ok it wasn't clear the monitor was just flickering, so thats why i posted that" because thats not the reason i posted this. I agree with your point on typing without needing a monitor, you must do it, as it shows very clearly. And im surprised no one brought up the point that after leta said "pp", the ref paused. When nothing should of happened / should have been instantly DQ'd. This means the ref knew what leta was requesting right? | ||
WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2324 Posts
On April 28 2009 21:36 Diomedes wrote: 'pp' means 'pause please'. WTF is 'ppp'? Everyone always uses 'pp'. They made a typing error setting up the rules? Pause Pretty Please? ![]() | ||
anderoo
Canada1876 Posts
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
kespaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!! and why did it have to happen to leta... ![]() | ||
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