EPT[SPOILERS] Leta and KeSPA controversy - Page 11
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Scooge
Iceland144 Posts
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sixghost
United States2096 Posts
On April 29 2009 04:26 Jayme wrote: He's getting flamed for doing his job poorly. The job of a referee is to enforce rules based on the situation and not blindly. Screen flickered during a rather critical moment, Leta SLAMS on the "p" key but only gets 2 out and he gets DQ'd? This is ridiculous and a ref actually doing his damn job would have realized this instantly. Everyone knows that rules can't possibly cover every situation, that's why you have ref's there to interpret them based on what just happened. Don't blame the referee, blame KeSPA for making the rule. He's doing his job well, he's just forced to enforce a shitty rule. | ||
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
On April 29 2009 06:26 sixghost wrote: Don't blame the referee, blame KeSPA for making the rule. He's doing his job well, he's just forced to enforce a shitty rule. He's not forced to enforce anything. Part of the job of being a referee is using ones own judgement to decide the outcome in a situation. There is absolutely no proof that Leta didn't intend to type ppp but instead only got pp out. If you honestly think he should lose a proleague game for that then you're seriously fucked up man. Take a step back and look at what you're saying. | ||
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On April 29 2009 06:26 Scooge wrote: Rules are rules. I don't know why no one is blaming Leta for not knowing the rules of the game he's playing. He's a professional. These rule updates are a few months old now, he should know them, especially after they've given warning for improper GGs recently. Because not knowing the rules and hitting p two times instead of three when you can't see what you're typing are the same thing? | ||
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404.Delirium
United States1190 Posts
On April 29 2009 05:06 Zozma wrote: More professional? What does that even mean? This is a spectator sport. Things like "zizi yO" are just players putting their own style into things. There isn't anything wrong with that. In this case, that isn't even the problem. Leta messed up when he was typing, and now KeSPA is acting like he actually did something wrong, issuing him a "warning". What's going to happen if he types "pppp" at some point? He's already been warned, so... he gets kicked out of the next OSL or something? It's just bullshit. Yeah, lets stop soccer teams from getting excited or doing a victory dance when they get a goal; or a player after he scores a touch down. If he throws the ball down that's instant loss of game and red card to player. EDIT: Directed at Capo, I believe | ||
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CapO
United States1615 Posts
seriously, i don't wanna see a player type out : GoOd GaMe YOO GG NO RE OMG GG shut up with the style and shit. i'm not gonna post in this thread anymore. it's getting stupider. keep it: GG or gg. simple. more pro like. | ||
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broz0rs
United States2294 Posts
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
On April 29 2009 05:40 CapO wrote: hey, it's really not had to say ppp or gg. following these rules should be no problem for even elementary school kids. Kespa wants to keep things strict, so they seem more professional than easily forgiving those who break the rules. i do agree that it'd be much easier if it was pp than ppp  It's not that hard to use proper capitalization too. TL should insta-ban people that don't capitalize properly or make one typo. Of course it's easy to type "ppp." I'm sure Leta knows the rule. I'm sure Leta is fully capable of typing "ppp." The issue is that they are disqualifying players for making a typing mistake in the heat of the moment. Yes, pros make mistakes too. | ||
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HeaDStrong
Scotland785 Posts
But it shouldn't penalize a simple typo or another pause request form made under heavy pressure. And that is why you have refferees to judge the situation. Points like "if they let a "pp" go instead of "ppp" then they also will have to let stuff "pause bitch, yo" go" don't make sense for obvious reasons. If you argue that the rules will be more ambigious and it will depend on the refs decission, it is clear from this situation that a decision making ref (even a bad one) is better than one who just blindly reads rules of a booklet. don't look at the rules as some computer code where you could find expliots, but more as general guidelines. With that being said I join the majority and say that the ref was a blind, stupid robot. Also note that I have no idea whether the refs are instructed by KeSPA to judge the situation and act accordingly or that they have to blindly obey the rules without any flexibility, which would take any responsibility away from the ref and make him redundant, which again suggests this is not the case. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66071 Posts
On April 28 2009 23:49 konadora wrote: Tell me any progamer who think will type that while playing live. Progamers have common sense, they know where to draw the line, and they've been using pp/ppp since 'referees' got into the progaming scene. Sure, enforce the rule if you want to. But don't give him a fucking disqualification. Do you give a child the death penalty for stealing some candy? KeSPA needs to learn how to give appropriate punishments. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On April 29 2009 04:53 CapO wrote: i agree that this article is very controversial, but if you look at the other way, it seems like KeSPA is trying very hard to make a "game" rule very strict and professional. i mean, come on, i know it's an online game, but it's now become a decade old "E-SPORTS" game, so we don't wanna see ppl typing out "zizi yO" "ㅈㅈ" such slangs and whatnot should be forbidden in professional games. if typing ppp is the rule, the players should follow it. Uh what? I understand some rules you know, like map hacks. What starcraft seems to be lacking right now though is it's own personality. KeSPA is slowly but surely culling everything unique between players starting with chats, then ceremonies, and then this zizi yO nonsense. Give me a break, there is a big difference between looking professional and then forcing everyone to act the freaking exact same way. It's boring and stale. That being said it is also up to the player to be professional an I think they have the common sense not to go too far like some absurd "phavesexwithmepausepleasepp" Come on now. This what if nonsense is ridiculous and a horrible argument. | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
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zobz
Canada2175 Posts
On April 29 2009 06:40 CapO wrote: lol ur using a ceremony to say that it's basically the same thing as saying zizi yo that is very decisive of the game result? seriously, i don't wanna see a player type out : GoOd GaMe YOO GG NO RE OMG GG shut up with the style and shit. i'm not gonna post in this thread anymore. it's getting stupider. keep it: GG or gg. simple. more pro like. Typing gg only ever in the simplest most straight-forward way possible isn't professional it's just stale. Being bm is unprofessional. If some progamer was to use your example of how one could type gg, and demonstrate himself to be an idiot, well then that might be an indicator that he doesn't take his job that seriously and so isn't very professional, or maybe just that he has a very poor sense of style; in either case that's one progamer who resigns in an idiotic fashion and starcraft fans could simply choose to dislike him. Overall i see nothing wrong with this scenario. It's better to promote free expression. | ||
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
On April 29 2009 06:40 CapO wrote: Wait... what? lol ur using a ceremony to say that it's basically the same thing as saying zizi yo that is very decisive of the game result? seriously, i don't wanna see a player type out : GoOd GaMe YOO GG NO RE OMG GG shut up with the style and shit. i'm not gonna post in this thread anymore. it's getting stupider. keep it: GG or gg. simple. more pro like. I would argue with you, but I don't know exactly what you're saying. | ||
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Kusimuumi
Finland99 Posts
Could a Korean, or somebody with good enough knowledge of Korean culture enlighten us about the strictness regarding the rules in there? I know that the culture is very hierarchical and quite strict regarding traditions and elders, but isn't this taking it too far even in Korean standards? I'm quite baffled here, as I can't see anything but immense cultural differences causing this. The ruling is absurd. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7802 Posts
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Murdoink
Chile1219 Posts
At least I don't have it in my fantasy team | ||
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zobz
Canada2175 Posts
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Apex
United States7226 Posts
Sure, Backho typed zizi yO before an opponent's forfeit, but come on, all you need to do is say, "Here's a warning Backho, just don't type "gg" before your opponents, ok?" I mean, when has that incident ever happened in progaming? What, once or twice? Don't punish progamers for an isolated incident. That's not fair. That's not right. The "p" thing is also absolutely ludicrous. Kespa surely is smoking something crazy because there is no way there is any possible difference between a "ppp" or a "pp" or a "pppp" or whatever, they all mean the same thing, "I need a timeout." I don't get how you could possibly slap someone with a DQ because of that. Whatever rule that comes from needs to be deleted. Immediately. It is not fair for a player who is simply requesting for a pause to rectify a potential unfair advantage to be penalized/disqualified for their actions. That's the equivalent of being fired from a job for pointing out an error/hazard to your boss. It makes no sense, tear that rule down, burn it. If that DQ costs Hite a potential game and consequently, a potential playoff spot... | ||
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Sadir
Vatican City State1176 Posts
"dear referee, could you please be so kind to stop the game, because I cannot play on for some blalbblalbalblablalblablalblalbalblablablalbalblablalbalblalbalblablalb alblalbalblablalb albajlbalblbalalblablalblablalblalbalblablablalbalblablalbalblalbalblablalb alblalbalblablalb albajlbalblbal blalbalblablalblablalblalbalblablablalbalblablalbalblalbalblablalb alblalbalblablalb albajlbalblbal blalbalblablalblablalblalbalblablablalbalblablalbalblalbalblablalb alblalbalblablalb albajlbalblbal .....and that's why I request to pause the game sincerely *insert progamers name*" if the players cannot come up with a 800 word text, while playing, why they want a pause, they shouldn't get it ffs they are pros | ||
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