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konadora
Singapore66117 Posts
Okay, so today, Leta and Kal were playing, stuff happened, then suddenly Leta's VGA broke down or something, so Leta typed pp. KeSPA then said he is disqualified because he typed 'pp' instead of 'ppp'. WTF?
Anyway, here's the Fomos article on it.
+ Show Spoiler +Hite Sparkyz's Leta - 'Forfeit Loss' (Disqualification) after breaking the 'Game Pausing' rule ▶ Shinhan Bank Proleague 08-09 Round 4 Week 4 Day 4 ◆ Hite 1 : 1 STX Set 1 - Neo Medusa - HoRang2 (Win) (Protoss, 1) vs Hwasin (Loss) (Terran, 7) Set 2 - Outsider - Leta (Disqualified) (Terran, 1) vs Kal (Win) (Protoss, 5) STX's Kal took victory over Hite's Leta after Hite broke the 'Game Pausing' rule and was disqualified. Both players went fast expand, and Leta went for harassment using dropship while going for triple Command, whereas Kal defended the dropship harassment and summoned his Nexus at 7. After defending the dropship harassment, Kal used his shuttle to drop zealots and dragoons to harass, and rendered Leta's 11 expo useless by harassing with reaver and shuttle, getting a clear advantage. Following this, Leta defended his opponent's attacks, and amassed a big han-bang army and set off, and half-way through, typed 'pp' and the game was paused. Because of this, the game was paused, and KeSPA referee Chang Suk Jun disqualified Leta after checking Leta's PC. After a problem in Leta's (computer's) VGA card occurred, which made the monitor unable to display visuals clearly, Leta requested for a pause by typing 'pp', which the referee said was the reason for Leta's disqualification. With the start of Round 4, along with the new 'GG' rule, another rule was implemented, which says that when requesting for a pause, the players must type 'ppp'. However, Leta typed 'pp' instead of the official 'ppp' request term, which led to Leta's disqualification. Because of this, the score became tied at 1:1, with STX winning the set (set 2). On the other hand, Hite's Leta was given a warning for breaking the 'Game Pausing' rule.
Source: Fomos.kr
EDIT: OH WOW, FOMOS DECIDES NOT TO INTERVIEW KAL, AND TOTALLY IGNORES THAT ISSUE WHEN INTERVIEWING THE OTHER STX WINNERS
Some comments on Fomos by the netizens:
+ Show Spoiler +
"Ge-SPA (Dog-SPA), have you gone crazy? kekekeke" (Ge, sounding similar to Ke, means Dog)
"Die Chang Suk Jun ㅡㅡㅗ"
"This is so sad... Leta was clearly at an advantage. KeSPA is screwed."
"Whoa wtf is this"
"Fucking referee"
"When they made the rules I knew something like this would happen... rules are rules but seriously..."
"I'm lost for words at the stupidity of this"
"Are you fucking with me? I was watching this so excitedly then this. Leta must be feeling like shit."
"Since when were they so uptight about sticking to the rules that they lost their common sense?"
"e-sports is fucked."
Update: Oh wow, all the flaming by the Netizens on the KeSPA's official site is hilarious. Almost 125 threads made on the official KeSPA website's board. And KeSPA has yet to make a single comment. Korean Netizens are such heroes. To those who can read Korean - LINK
Poll: Do you hate KeSPA?
(Vote): YES
(Vote): YES
(Vote): FUCK YES
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Korea (South)922 Posts
retarded, whats the difference between one letter, i've seen pp used more than ppp.... kespa's being pathetic.
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'pp' means 'pause please'. WTF is 'ppp'? Everyone always uses 'pp'.
They made a typing error setting up the rules?
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Katowice25012 Posts
His monitor broke, unable to display things clearly, and they DQed him because he couldn't spellcheck himself?
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Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
Totally uncalled for, what the hell.
Why can't the players/coaches/teams protest against such stupid rules?
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konadora
Singapore66117 Posts
Added some netizen comments. Words fail to describe my rage.
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one letter decided the possible outcome of a team match wow
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His VGA broke. How could he know he was typing PPP instead of PP. What if the monitor was disconnected and he couldn't type PPP? WTF is this rule its really a stupid rule. P or PP or PPP or PPPP is the same. IT MEANS PAUSE!
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To think I use to think hockey refs made bad calls
At least they don't disqualify a team for asking for a timeout improperly
I don't understand these kespa rules they seem to only allow referees to get some screen time. Are dq's sexy in Korea?
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The refs didn't make a bad call if the rules say saying 'pp' means you should be disqualified.
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On April 28 2009 21:40 oneill wrote:
His VGA broke. How could he know he was typing PPP instead of PP. What if the monitor was disconnected and he couldn't type PPP? WTF is this rule its really a stupid rule. P or PP or PPP or PPPP is the same. IT MEANS PAUSE!
Yep.. Its like they didnt notice the MONITOR BROKE DOWN!!!
Fucking idiots..
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Kind of ridiculous. I mean he couldn't see his monitor so there should be at least some clause in the rule barring dq if you're not able to visually see what you're typing on your monitor.
KeSPA has never been very smart though, so it doesn't surprise me that they'd be insanely short sided and stubborn over a situation like this.
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It's a new Starcraft skill. To be a true gosu you need a class in typing blind.
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konadora
Singapore66117 Posts
It seems like KeSPA recruited brainless people to do the umpiring.
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note.
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recruited people who probably dont even play starcraft -_-
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On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
It's not like his monitor went black or anything. They just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note.
If there is any visual impairment then that rule should not be used in a case like this. Hell, even if there was no impairment penalizing him for saying pp instead of ppp is insanely stupid.
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Spenguin
Australia3316 Posts
Fuck I want to hurt Kespa so bad.
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konadora
Singapore66117 Posts
Fomos decides not to interview Kal. Wtf.
OH WOW. THEY TOTALLY IGNORED THAT ISSUE WHEN INTERVIEWING THE OTHER STX PLAYERS.
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The worst part is it pretty much changed the results of the series because Leta would have won and it would have gone to Ace where he would have raped anybody but July+ Show Spoiler +.
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Ohai, we're KESPA and we've decided someone needed to make the NFL's "pass interference" rule look like the work of a genius.
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On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note.
Or it could have been flickering in a way that made 2 Ps look like 3 unless more closely examined....
So it is kind of not important to note at all while the whole thing is a guessing game imho.
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Thanks for the translation ;_;
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konadora
Singapore66117 Posts
On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note.
Yes they said the monitor was displaying properly, not completely blacked out. We need to see actual photos to judge that, trying to hunt some.
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I'm going to tell this to everyone to ruin their image of e-sports. 
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Tscc..that were ridiculous by kespa...I'm really sorry for them
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On April 28 2009 21:55 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note. Yes they said the monitor was displaying properly, not completely blacked out. We need to see actual photos to judge that, trying to hunt some.
imo it doesn't really matter. these new rules are like the death penalty for littering. pp or ppp? it's not like zizi yo, and I don't see why that poses a problem.
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On April 28 2009 21:31 konadora wrote:
EDIT: OH WOW, FOMOS DECIDES NOT TO INTERVIEW KAL, AND TOTALLY IGNORES THAT ISSUE WHEN INTERVIEWING THE OTHER STX WINNERS
This seems as much a kindness to stx as anything. I doubt they're much more comfortable with it than anybody else is.
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Is this stupid fucker smiling?
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konadora
Singapore66117 Posts
On April 28 2009 22:01 Pyrthas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2009 21:31 konadora wrote:
EDIT: OH WOW, FOMOS DECIDES NOT TO INTERVIEW KAL, AND TOTALLY IGNORES THAT ISSUE WHEN INTERVIEWING THE OTHER STX WINNERS This seems as much a kindness to stx as anything. I doubt they're much more comfortable with it than anybody else is.
Not interviewing Kal, I can understand. Totally ignoring the issue, I don't.
I'm sure asking the other players can give feedback like 'KeSPA shouldn't have done that, blah blah', and if that happens, I can imagine KeSPA suing Fomos or creating malicious schemes to attempt to DQ that player.
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yes, he's taking a shower in fanboy tears.
Nah, seriously... sucky decision, sucky rule.
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On April 28 2009 22:01 Pyrthas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2009 21:31 konadora wrote:
EDIT: OH WOW, FOMOS DECIDES NOT TO INTERVIEW KAL, AND TOTALLY IGNORES THAT ISSUE WHEN INTERVIEWING THE OTHER STX WINNERS This seems as much a kindness to stx as anything. I doubt they're much more comfortable with it than anybody else is.
Yeah... anyone else remember the story about the STX coach yelling at some ref a couple weeks ago? I think that sort of attitude probably rubs off on the whole team. Actually, the whole pro SC community seems pretty tight anyway.
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Idiot men behind idiot rules.
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I don't know who sit on KeSPAs board. I assume there is representation from KeSPA itself, Players representives, Broadcasting companies and Proteam representives.
Its annoying how everytime someone is blaming on KeSPA if something is done wrong as players and teams were deciding these things too. You are basically blaming players and team managers too.
edit: Who knows who was main guys requesting to change rules what players can type inside games, perhaps gamers itself? Remember Firefist vs Backho incident, perhaps players saw KeSPA as not decisive giving ruling how games should end and forced KeSPA to change rules so its same to everybody.
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konadora
Singapore66117 Posts
On April 28 2009 22:11 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
edit: Who knows who was main guys requesting to change rules what players can type inside games, perhaps gamers itself? Remember Firefist vs Backho incident, perhaps players saw KeSPA as not decisive giving ruling how games should end and forced KeSPA to change rules so its same to everybody.
Coaches and team representatives are involved in giving suggestion and feedback, but the one who has the final say are the guys from KeSPA itself.
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haha xD so he would have been disqualified too, when he writes PPP instead of ppp? :D
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KeSPA has done some retarded shit but this is the worst so far. What the fuck are the retards thinking. These are the guys that refused to acknowledge lag as a problem. How could they even be trusted to deem if a computer is having graphical issues?
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On April 28 2009 22:16 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2009 22:11 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
edit: Who knows who was main guys requesting to change rules what players can type inside games, perhaps gamers itself? Remember Firefist vs Backho incident, perhaps players saw KeSPA as not decisive giving ruling how games should end and forced KeSPA to change rules so its same to everybody. Coaches and team representatives are involved in giving suggestion and feedback, but the one who has the final say are the guys from KeSPA itself.
Who are the KeSPA members? I mean guys who does decisions?
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-4 pts for those with leta in their team....
but seriously, this is crazy. it's not like leta paused the game himself. wth
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If there is a rule - referees have to enforce it. There shouldn't be any blame towards referee imo. It's Kespa's fault that there is such rule, not referees fault that he enforces them.
EDIT: so putting referees picture in the OP and implying that he's the bad guy is wrong.
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konadora
Singapore66117 Posts
On April 28 2009 22:22 Too_MuchZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2009 22:16 konadora wrote:On April 28 2009 22:11 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
edit: Who knows who was main guys requesting to change rules what players can type inside games, perhaps gamers itself? Remember Firefist vs Backho incident, perhaps players saw KeSPA as not decisive giving ruling how games should end and forced KeSPA to change rules so its same to everybody. Coaches and team representatives are involved in giving suggestion and feedback, but the one who has the final say are the guys from KeSPA itself. Who are the KeSPA members? I mean guys who does decisions?
No idea on that, I'll check the KeSPA site later.
Update: I just checked, nothing much on the site. Just about different sections of the company, but no exact details.
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STX shouldve lost 2 games on purpose to even things out. When the refferee's are to dump to poop, you always can take matters in own hands. Sportsmanship.
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On April 28 2009 22:24 Jusciax wrote:
If there is a rule - referees have to enforce it. There shouldn't be any blame towards referee imo. It's Kespa's fault that there is such rule, not referees fault that he enforces them.
EDIT: so putting referees picture in the OP and implying that he's the bad guy is wrong.
But referees make decisions too, they don't just blindly enforce rules.
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konadora
Singapore66117 Posts
On April 28 2009 22:33 Navane wrote:
STX shouldve lost 2 games on purpose to even things out. When the refferee's are to dump to poop, you always can take matters in own hands. Sportsmanship.
Ah, reminds me of a Korean pro-soccer match where they let the other team score a goal after they accidentally scored while making a pass back to the goalkeeper.
Good manner is good.
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That was just stupid, right???? the visual thing was crappy, so Leta types 'pp', and he gets DISQUALIFIED that is so fucked up, we all make mistakes right? When I type gg, sometimes, it just says g, not gg, it could be the same for leta, he typed it so fast, that the third 'p' didnt "punch in".
Stupid Kespa, i pity the ref. though, he gets flamed cuz he did his job lol
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konadora
Singapore66117 Posts
On April 28 2009 22:24 Jusciax wrote:
If there is a rule - referees have to enforce it. There shouldn't be any blame towards referee imo. It's Kespa's fault that there is such rule, not referees fault that he enforces them.
EDIT: so putting referees picture in the OP and implying that he's the bad guy is wrong.
KeSPA makes the stupid rules, and the referees decide whether or not they should go according to the rule depending on the situation. They are the ones who make the decisions on the spot. Just because a rule is made, doesn't mean you must go by the rules no matter the circumstances.
Edit: I'll put the guy in the spoiler tag.
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On April 28 2009 22:24 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2009 22:22 Too_MuchZerg wrote:On April 28 2009 22:16 konadora wrote:On April 28 2009 22:11 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
edit: Who knows who was main guys requesting to change rules what players can type inside games, perhaps gamers itself? Remember Firefist vs Backho incident, perhaps players saw KeSPA as not decisive giving ruling how games should end and forced KeSPA to change rules so its same to everybody. Coaches and team representatives are involved in giving suggestion and feedback, but the one who has the final say are the guys from KeSPA itself. Who are the KeSPA members? I mean guys who does decisions? No idea on that, I'll check the KeSPA site later. Update: I just checked, nothing much on the site. Just about different sections of the company, but no exact details.
So still we dont know how many guys are deciding. I still assume there are KeSPA guys (as bigger portion), players, coach(es), TV guys and KeSPA referees too aka all esports industry represented.
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Everyone should start using pp instead of gg.
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fck it screw kespa
they always sucked ass
Leta should have won
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Why is it that whenever there is a good organization, its always managed by a bunch of fucking retarded suits that have no idea wtf is going on. Its almost as if they want to drive esports into the ground. PP instead of PPP? Fucking robots.
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FUCK LETA lost and there goes my liquibet!I hope teamliquid gives us all points cause it aint fair !
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
and heres the thing:
you guys actually have no idea how bad kespa REALLY is.
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konadora
Singapore66117 Posts
On April 28 2009 22:46 ktp wrote:
Why is it that whenever there is a good organization, its always managed by a bunch of fucking retarded suits that have no idea wtf is going on. Its almost as if they want to drive esports into the ground. PP instead of PPP? Fucking robots.
On April 28 2009 21:31 konadora wrote:Some comments on Fomos by the netizens: + Show Spoiler +
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AS has been pointed out, I Don't know why the referee is getting flamed for doing his job.
Blame the organisation (which a lot of people are of course)
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United States13896 Posts
Wow. KeSPA needs to realize that the rulebook is never going to cover every possible event that happens in game - there is always going to be some circumstance they aren't prepared for, and they need to base their decisions upon their own interpretation of what the rules would be for the situation. Seriously horrible call on the official's part.
On April 28 2009 22:50 ShloobeR wrote:
AS has been pointed out, I Don't know why the referee is getting flamed for doing his job.
Blame the organisation (which a lot of people are of course)
His job shouldn't be to have such a strict interpretation of the rules that he DQ's a player for mistyping something when he didn't even have a fully functional display. Take any other competition - a lot of the decisions you are going to make if you are an official are going to have to be judgment calls according to your interpretation of what the rules would call for in such a situation.
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On April 28 2009 22:33 Navane wrote:
STX shouldve lost 2 games on purpose to even things out. When the refferee's are to dump to poop, you always can take matters in own hands. Sportsmanship.
Why should STX be penalized? It's not their fault that the KeSPA rules are idiotic.
No team would ever let that happen. I could understand STX petitioning for a regame instead of a DQ but not intentionally throwing 2 matches especially when that would cause them the match (losing 1-3) when Leta's win would've only counted as 2-0 at that point.
Also that is extremely unjust to the players that would have to throw their matches after they'd been working hard for around a week in preperation.
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Belgium6764 Posts
The amount of bullshit coming from kespa is ridiculous
they should be overthrown
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konadora
Singapore66117 Posts
On April 28 2009 22:58 Xeofreestyler wrote:
The amount of bullshit coming from kespa is ridiculous
they should be overthrown
KeSPA has their address on their page lol
I can imagine a horde of angry fans rampaging all over their office.
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....Wow WTF. So if someone types one "p" too much or too less they get dqed? That's bullshit.
If I wasn't so sure Kespa was idiotic then I would guess that they were trying to fix that game >.>;
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On April 28 2009 22:42 Abydos1 wrote:
Everyone should start using pp instead of gg.
This!
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On April 28 2009 22:49 Artosis wrote:
and heres the thing:
you guys actually have no idea how bad kespa REALLY is.
Can we get a little more info from you about this? Not that I doubt it, I just love gossip 
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arggghhh... im so sad for Leta... T_T... that sad pic is just so heartbreaking to c. =;(
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I thought its not possible to beat the "ww" incident.. but KeSPa proofs me wrong.
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On April 28 2009 23:12 G.s)NarutO wrote:
I thought its not possible to beat the "ww" incident.. but KeSPa proofs me wrong.
next thing might be the winner not typing gg fast enough and therefor lose because the loser left the game too fast.
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konadora
Singapore66117 Posts
On April 28 2009 23:15 SnowFalling wrote:Explenation for the call: he smoked too much pot! + Show Spoiler +
LOL
I love that movie rofl
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KESPA YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT DQING LETA AND FUCKING MY FANTASY TEAM IN THE PROCESS.
/rant
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On April 28 2009 22:24 Jusciax wrote:
If there is a rule - referees have to enforce it. There shouldn't be any blame towards referee imo. It's Kespa's fault that there is such rule, not referees fault that he enforces them.
EDIT: so putting referees picture in the OP and implying that he's the bad guy is wrong. So, if there's a military dictatorship where a soldier is ordered to go kill some guy and does it, then whose fault is it?
The rules are bad, but people who blindly follow the rules are hurting the situation too.
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On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note.
He probably typed it in like .2 seconds and hit enter as fast as possible like anyone else.
Absolutly retarded. It's just a distingushing sign, this case shouldn't be an infraction of the rule when it was clearly just a typo.
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so he said pp not ppp? What the hell is that. Seriously? Honestly?
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Now that I think of it, what does Kespa do exactly other than leech money off of esports?
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On April 28 2009 23:26 MiniRoman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note. He probably typed it in like .2 seconds and hit enter as fast as possible like anyone else. Absolutly retarded. It's just a distingushing sign, this case shouldn't be an infraction of the rule when it was clearly just a typo. What case should be an infraction of the rule? What's the point to the rule in the first place? I have a problem with this case, but there is no conceivable situation where the referee applying this rule would be a good thing.
I guess maybe in an extreme case if they said "pause the fucking game you idiot", but is any progamer ever going to do that? I mean, ever?
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On April 28 2009 21:36 heyoka wrote:
His monitor broke, unable to display things clearly, and they DQed him because he couldn't spellcheck himself?
This is exactly what I thought.
Pathetic.
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Guys, somebody answer me
Can Leta play his next game in PL/MSL/OSL ?
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This shit is fucked up. The geniuses at kespa might want to get together and brainstorm the things that might go wrong so they don't interfere on the rules much in the future.
This is a fail.
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The call made by the referee was bad for the game, regardless of whether the fault lay with him or with whoever made the rules. I hope KeSPA realizes this and takes measures to it will not happen again.
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konadora
Singapore66117 Posts
On April 28 2009 23:36 monstar123 wrote:Guys, somebody answer me Can Leta play his next game in PL/MSL/OSL ?
AFAIK, yes. He received a warning after his disqualification.
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On April 28 2009 22:24 Jusciax wrote:
If there is a rule - referees have to enforce it. There shouldn't be any blame towards referee imo. It's Kespa's fault that there is such rule, not referees fault that he enforces them.
EDIT: so putting referees picture in the OP and implying that he's the bad guy is wrong.
As stupid as this is, it had to happen sooner or later.
If this DIDN'T happen, next thing you know, someone types "p". Game gets paused.
Next: "p plz" -> "game paused"
Next: "p sexsexpussy hair pause kk thx"
The more exceptions you make, the less credible you become.
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nite u definitely have a point there. but still its fukn sad.. wow..
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konadora
Singapore66117 Posts
On April 28 2009 23:46 niteReloaded wrote:
Next: "p sexsexpussy hair pause kk thx"
Tell me any progamer who think will type that while playing live.
Progamers have common sense, they know where to draw the line, and they've been using pp/ppp since 'referees' got into the progaming scene. Sure, enforce the rule if you want to. But don't give him a fucking disqualification.
Do you give a child the death penalty for stealing some candy?
KeSPA needs to learn how to give appropriate punishments.
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SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STUUUUUUUUUUUPID
Jesus.... just let them play. Not Leta's fault you guys set him up with a crappy computr which broke down on him roflmao. KeSPa is so bad.
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why do they use triple P anyway?
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Melbourne5338 Posts
On April 28 2009 23:55 StylishVODs wrote:
why do they use triple P anyway?
probably to make it easier to see the difference between pp and gg
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they know that he requested a pause, even though it was just pp.
it was a legitemate reason to pause, they just nitpicking at one missing p and disqualifying him for it.
there's no way you can defend this bullshit.
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You know what we need? We need the footie approach: obvious rules ("no bm"), with the beautiful disclaimer over any call, "If in the opinion of the referee...".
Because, honestly, this wasn't the ref's fault, and it's hard to know where to put the blame in KESPA, and the rule isn't completely ridiculous just overly strict.
If you just had "all requests/ggs must be good manner" rule, then we could just all scream at the refs and this would be a lot simpler. Plus Starcraft needs more arguments about the refereeing, otherwise it can't possibly be a real sport. 
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They should give them a Big Red Button inside the booth and not use typing!
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On April 29 2009 00:08 kakisama wrote:
They should give them a Big Red Button inside the booth and not use typing!
This is actually a pretty good idea.
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konadora
Singapore66117 Posts
On April 29 2009 00:08 kakisama wrote:
They should give them a Big Red Button inside the booth and not use typing!
Then they should give then a white flag to use for admitting defeat instead of typing out too 
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On April 29 2009 00:08 kakisama wrote:
They should give them a Big Red Button inside the booth and not use typing! If they did that KeSPA would just disqualify anyone who hit the button by mistake with an elbow or something.
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konadora
Singapore66117 Posts
On April 29 2009 00:15 Zozma wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 00:08 kakisama wrote:
They should give them a Big Red Button inside the booth and not use typing! If they did that KeSPA would just disqualify anyone who hit the button by mistake with an elbow or something.
Lol imagine...
Savior defeats FBH after an epic 1 hour ZvT
Savior: YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
Starts ceremony by dancing in booth and accidentally hits button
Savior: Shit.
KeSPA referee: Savior disqualified, FBH wins
FBH reverse-ceremony
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
holy fuck kespa stupid piece of crap -_-
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It's almost unbelievable how silly this is. Artosis: are you in a position to elaborate on how bad KeSPA really is?
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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Ignore me, wrong thread.
Kespa is stupid too.
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is awesome32269 Posts
This is SO good for my fantasy team!
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On April 28 2009 23:46 niteReloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2009 22:24 Jusciax wrote:
If there is a rule - referees have to enforce it. There shouldn't be any blame towards referee imo. It's Kespa's fault that there is such rule, not referees fault that he enforces them.
EDIT: so putting referees picture in the OP and implying that he's the bad guy is wrong. As stupid as this is, it had to happen sooner or later. If this DIDN'T happen, next thing you know, someone types "p". Game gets paused. Next: "p plz" -> "game paused" Next: "p sexsexpussy hair pause kk thx" The more exceptions you make, the less credible you become.
Are you really saying that if they allow pp instead of ppp, they'll also have to allow p sexsexpussy hair pause kk thx? Because that would be a really stupid thing to say.
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Ok guys, i have to write a comment on this one now after i saw all this dumb comments in this thread and in the LR:
"you can't know what ur typing when you don't see the monitor" ????
ARE YOU SERIOUS????
Sorry, i don't want to insult you, but such comments speak of a lack of intelligence.
since when people type with a MONITOR???? You type with a KEYBOARD and ur FINGERS. Nothing else. 95% of the people don't even need EYES to type! They press the buttons on the KEYBOARD with their FINGERS. Even the 5% rest of the people don't need a MONITOR either because they use the EYES to see how often they press which buttons. The most "unskilled" writers can stare at their KEYBOARD and COUNT how often they press a button. still no MONITOR needed at all.
To the people who say "spellcheck": .....omg. you know the average reaction time of a human is about 1 second? So do you really think leta types ONE LETTER PER SECOND????
Ofc you type faster than that and you cannot spellcheck every letter before you press the next button, which includes the ENTER BUTTON ! It's almost not possible to stop pressing the enter button when you realize you have pressed one "p" too much. The MONITOR DOESNT MATTER AT ALL !!!!! Thats why you often see "i go to shcool" "*school". Because the message is already sent when you realize you fucked up a word, if its the last word in a sentence. And in Leta's case it even was the last LETTER of his message !
Also i've read:
To think I use to think hockey refs made bad calls
At least they don't disqualify a team for asking for a timeout improperly
I don't understand these kespa rules they seem to only allow referees to get some screen time. Are dq's sexy in Korea?
....DUDE, WHY ARE YOU LYING????? KeSPA DIDN't DQ THE WHOLE TEAM !!!!!! JUST ONE PLAYER !!!
I hate it SO MUCH when people fucking LIE and state WRONG INFO or stupid comments which all don't matter just to exaggerate a situation. Please stop that.....
Also i just read:
On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note.
This again fucks up all this stupid monitor comments, BUT don't even think about this point now. The reasons i mentioned above are 100% enough to clarify, why this monitor comments are stupid and useless.
So i don't expect much constructive replies to this but IF you want to reply, DO NOT mention this last point like "oh ok it wasn't clear the monitor was just flickering, so thats why i posted that" because thats not the reason i posted this.
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i feel as though my IQ has dropped.. i'm now dumber after reading that. i was surprised to see leta lost to kal after seeing the results which messed up my liquibet, but now i see what happened.
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On April 29 2009 00:38 MasterReY wrote:Ok guys, i have to write a comment on this one now after i saw all this dumb comments in this thread and in the LR: "you can't know what ur typing when you don't see the monitor" ???? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? Sorry, i don't want to insult you, but such comments speak of a lack of intelligence. since when people type with a MONITOR???? You type with a KEYBOARD and ur FINGERS. Nothing else. 95% of the people don't even need EYES to type! They press the buttons on the KEYBOARD with their FINGERS. Even the 5% rest of the people don't need a MONITOR either because they use the EYES to see how often they press which buttons. The most "unskilled" writers can stare at their KEYBOARD and COUNT how often they press a button. still no MONITOR needed at all. To the people who say "spellcheck": .....omg. you know the average reaction time of a human is about 1 second? So do you really think leta types ONE LETTER PER SECOND???? Ofc you type faster than that and you cannot spellcheck every letter before you press the next button, which includes the ENTER BUTTON ! It's almost not possible to stop pressing the enter button when you realize you have pressed one "p" too much. The MONITOR DOESNT MATTER AT ALL !!!!! Thats why you often see "i go to shcool" "*school". Because the message is already sent when you realize you fucked up a word, if its the last word in a sentence. And in Leta's case it even was the last LETTER of his message ! Also i've read: Show nested quote +To think I use to think hockey refs made bad calls
At least they don't disqualify a team for asking for a timeout improperly
I don't understand these kespa rules they seem to only allow referees to get some screen time. Are dq's sexy in Korea? ....DUDE, WHY ARE YOU LYING????? KeSPA DIDN't DQ THE WHOLE TEAM !!!!!! JUST ONE PLAYER !!! I hate it SO MUCH when people fucking LIE and state WRONG INFO or stupid comments which all don't matter just to exaggerate a situation. Please stop that..... Also i just read: Show nested quote +On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note. This again fucks up all this stupid monitor comments, BUT don't even think about this point now. The reasons i mentioned above are 100% enough to clarify, why this monitor comments are stupid and useless. So i don't expect much constructive replies to this but IF you want to reply, DO NOT mention this last point like "oh ok it wasn't clear the monitor was just flickering, so thats why i posted that" because thats not the reason i posted this. Uh... hey there.
I really don't understand what you're trying to say. It's not like the fact that he didn't need to see to type changes anything.
Well, what most people are saying is that Leta thought he typed "ppp" and since he couldn't see his monitor there was no way for him to know that one of the "p"s didn't go through.
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On April 29 2009 00:11 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 00:08 kakisama wrote:
They should give them a Big Red Button inside the booth and not use typing! Then they should give then a white flag to use for admitting defeat instead of typing out too
best two ideas so far
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Imagine if this happened in a finals event
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things that make me sad
1. stupid fucking rules
2. people who flame people who flame people who enforce stupid fucking rules
3. threads like this getting 6 pages of comments, full of # 2
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On April 29 2009 00:38 MasterReY wrote:Ok guys, i have to write a comment on this one now after i saw all this dumb comments in this thread and in the LR: "you can't know what ur typing when you don't see the monitor" ???? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? Sorry, i don't want to insult you, but such comments speak of a lack of intelligence. since when people type with a MONITOR???? You type with a KEYBOARD and ur FINGERS. Nothing else. 95% of the people don't even need EYES to type! They press the buttons on the KEYBOARD with their FINGERS. Even the 5% rest of the people don't need a MONITOR either because they use the EYES to see how often they press which buttons. The most "unskilled" writers can stare at their KEYBOARD and COUNT how often they press a button. still no MONITOR needed at all. To the people who say "spellcheck": .....omg. you know the average reaction time of a human is about 1 second? So do you really think leta types ONE LETTER PER SECOND???? Ofc you type faster than that and you cannot spellcheck every letter before you press the next button, which includes the ENTER BUTTON ! It's almost not possible to stop pressing the enter button when you realize you have pressed one "p" too much. The MONITOR DOESNT MATTER AT ALL !!!!! Thats why you often see "i go to shcool" "*school". Because the message is already sent when you realize you fucked up a word, if its the last word in a sentence. And in Leta's case it even was the last LETTER of his message ! Also i've read: Show nested quote +To think I use to think hockey refs made bad calls
At least they don't disqualify a team for asking for a timeout improperly
I don't understand these kespa rules they seem to only allow referees to get some screen time. Are dq's sexy in Korea? ....DUDE, WHY ARE YOU LYING????? KeSPA DIDN't DQ THE WHOLE TEAM !!!!!! JUST ONE PLAYER !!! I hate it SO MUCH when people fucking LIE and state WRONG INFO or stupid comments which all don't matter just to exaggerate a situation. Please stop that..... Also i just read: Show nested quote +On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note. This again fucks up all this stupid monitor comments, BUT don't even think about this point now. The reasons i mentioned above are 100% enough to clarify, why this monitor comments are stupid and useless. So i don't expect much constructive replies to this but IF you want to reply, DO NOT mention this last point like "oh ok it wasn't clear the monitor was just flickering, so thats why i posted that" because thats not the reason i posted this.
Dear MasterRey,
It has become apparent that you are an anti-fan boy. This coupled with your random as hell caps lock activations have brought the conclusion of the general consensus to the fact that you are an idiot.
Sincerely,
hasuprotoss
PS: You aren't even addressing the real issue behind whether hitting "pp" is acceptable. Instead you are going off on some stupid random tangent.
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Hopefully KESPA will learn from this and allow some sort of pp or pppp if it is a monitor issue in the future.
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I bet one day the 'p' button will be broken for one of the players and they'll just have to either sit there and take it or be disqualified. Poor Leta...
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On April 29 2009 00:42 Zozma wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 00:38 MasterReY wrote:Ok guys, i have to write a comment on this one now after i saw all this dumb comments in this thread and in the LR: "you can't know what ur typing when you don't see the monitor" ???? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? Sorry, i don't want to insult you, but such comments speak of a lack of intelligence. since when people type with a MONITOR???? You type with a KEYBOARD and ur FINGERS. Nothing else. 95% of the people don't even need EYES to type! They press the buttons on the KEYBOARD with their FINGERS. Even the 5% rest of the people don't need a MONITOR either because they use the EYES to see how often they press which buttons. The most "unskilled" writers can stare at their KEYBOARD and COUNT how often they press a button. still no MONITOR needed at all. To the people who say "spellcheck": .....omg. you know the average reaction time of a human is about 1 second? So do you really think leta types ONE LETTER PER SECOND???? Ofc you type faster than that and you cannot spellcheck every letter before you press the next button, which includes the ENTER BUTTON ! It's almost not possible to stop pressing the enter button when you realize you have pressed one "p" too much. The MONITOR DOESNT MATTER AT ALL !!!!! Thats why you often see "i go to shcool" "*school". Because the message is already sent when you realize you fucked up a word, if its the last word in a sentence. And in Leta's case it even was the last LETTER of his message ! Also i've read: To think I use to think hockey refs made bad calls
At least they don't disqualify a team for asking for a timeout improperly
I don't understand these kespa rules they seem to only allow referees to get some screen time. Are dq's sexy in Korea? ....DUDE, WHY ARE YOU LYING????? KeSPA DIDN't DQ THE WHOLE TEAM !!!!!! JUST ONE PLAYER !!! I hate it SO MUCH when people fucking LIE and state WRONG INFO or stupid comments which all don't matter just to exaggerate a situation. Please stop that..... Also i just read: On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note. This again fucks up all this stupid monitor comments, BUT don't even think about this point now. The reasons i mentioned above are 100% enough to clarify, why this monitor comments are stupid and useless. So i don't expect much constructive replies to this but IF you want to reply, DO NOT mention this last point like "oh ok it wasn't clear the monitor was just flickering, so thats why i posted that" because thats not the reason i posted this. Uh... hey there. I really don't understand what you're trying to say. It's not like the fact that he didn't need to see to type changes anything. Well, what most people are saying is that Leta thought he typed "ppp" and since he couldn't see his monitor there was no way for him to know that one of the "p"s didn't go through.
1. He can know he posted 2. But ok lets assume he didn't
2. if he's unsure he can still backspace and type "ppp" again. and yes he should take the effort and backspace if he's unsure, because its clearly stated in the rules and he should knew he gets DQ for this (ofc the rule itself is stupid, sop lets not talk about that, leta has to know its important to make sure he writes "ppp" instead of "pp")
3. Like i said before, even if he noticed that he typed just "pp" then he still would send it because the reaction time is not 0.1 secs (the time he needs to press the enter button after his last p)
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yup i totally agree with the white flag rule,
1st- Good for tv, because it's funny
2nd- Clear indication for pausing the game
3rd- Screw KESPA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I don't hate Kespa for making the rule, as there could be some shoddy BM wins (Someone typing pp to make it look like gg and the other player actually typing out gg), but the problem here is absolutely no flexibility, which would be the problem if the pp/gg bm trick happened. Kespa has to have reasonable ability to adapt to a situation their rules might not fully encompass. It's a damn embarrassment that the best player in PL had to deal with shoddy equipment, much less the ruling council shutting him down for what could have easily been an honest mistake.
Rules are rules only goes so far when it very well could've decided the fate of the PL round which could, conceivably, decide even more in the future, all because Leta forgot a p? Does Kespa understand how *fast* these guys punch in a couple keys and how impossible it is to respond to only hitting p twice and then hitting enter? (anyone with even nominal typing speed does that in a split second) Much less if it was a huge problem with his visuals and he was literally falling way behind in the game because he couldn't tell what he was doing.
Any backlash Kespa gets from this is deserved. It's a poor decision from an organization that barely has to decide anything on a match to match basis as it is. The only times they do, they do so horribly. Things like this and arbitrarily discouraging other tournaments is the kind of stuff that harms esports in the long run.
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On April 29 2009 00:53 hasuprotoss wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 00:38 MasterReY wrote:Ok guys, i have to write a comment on this one now after i saw all this dumb comments in this thread and in the LR: "you can't know what ur typing when you don't see the monitor" ???? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? Sorry, i don't want to insult you, but such comments speak of a lack of intelligence. since when people type with a MONITOR???? You type with a KEYBOARD and ur FINGERS. Nothing else. 95% of the people don't even need EYES to type! They press the buttons on the KEYBOARD with their FINGERS. Even the 5% rest of the people don't need a MONITOR either because they use the EYES to see how often they press which buttons. The most "unskilled" writers can stare at their KEYBOARD and COUNT how often they press a button. still no MONITOR needed at all. To the people who say "spellcheck": .....omg. you know the average reaction time of a human is about 1 second? So do you really think leta types ONE LETTER PER SECOND???? Ofc you type faster than that and you cannot spellcheck every letter before you press the next button, which includes the ENTER BUTTON ! It's almost not possible to stop pressing the enter button when you realize you have pressed one "p" too much. The MONITOR DOESNT MATTER AT ALL !!!!! Thats why you often see "i go to shcool" "*school". Because the message is already sent when you realize you fucked up a word, if its the last word in a sentence. And in Leta's case it even was the last LETTER of his message ! Also i've read: To think I use to think hockey refs made bad calls
At least they don't disqualify a team for asking for a timeout improperly
I don't understand these kespa rules they seem to only allow referees to get some screen time. Are dq's sexy in Korea? ....DUDE, WHY ARE YOU LYING????? KeSPA DIDN't DQ THE WHOLE TEAM !!!!!! JUST ONE PLAYER !!! I hate it SO MUCH when people fucking LIE and state WRONG INFO or stupid comments which all don't matter just to exaggerate a situation. Please stop that..... Also i just read: On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note. This again fucks up all this stupid monitor comments, BUT don't even think about this point now. The reasons i mentioned above are 100% enough to clarify, why this monitor comments are stupid and useless. So i don't expect much constructive replies to this but IF you want to reply, DO NOT mention this last point like "oh ok it wasn't clear the monitor was just flickering, so thats why i posted that" because thats not the reason i posted this. Dear MasterRey, It has become apparent that you are an anti-fan boy. This coupled with your random as hell caps lock activations have brought the conclusion of the general consensus to the fact that you are an idiot. Sincerely, hasuprotoss PS: You aren't even addressing the real issue behind whether hitting "pp" is acceptable. Instead you are going off on some stupid random tangent.
I'm totally not an anti-fanboy. Leta is actually really one of my favorite players. believe it or not.
Ofc this decision is totally stupid, and i know the issue is that they should make an exception because it basically means the same as "ppp" and can't be confused with another msg.
Don't assume things that make me stupid please.
I posted that because there are so many stupid comments and the issue is rather obvious here and stated many times before in the thread(without stupid lies with it) so i didn't need to repeat that i think.
My post only addresses to the wrong comments in this thread.
And don't say i derail the thread because of that or w/e because the OP's issue is discussed and "solved" already like i said.
My caps are on the important words in my post like "monitor" and "keyboard" so that they stand out more to clarify my msg.
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On April 29 2009 00:58 MasterReY wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 00:42 Zozma wrote:On April 29 2009 00:38 MasterReY wrote:Ok guys, i have to write a comment on this one now after i saw all this dumb comments in this thread and in the LR: "you can't know what ur typing when you don't see the monitor" ???? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? Sorry, i don't want to insult you, but such comments speak of a lack of intelligence. since when people type with a MONITOR???? You type with a KEYBOARD and ur FINGERS. Nothing else. 95% of the people don't even need EYES to type! They press the buttons on the KEYBOARD with their FINGERS. Even the 5% rest of the people don't need a MONITOR either because they use the EYES to see how often they press which buttons. The most "unskilled" writers can stare at their KEYBOARD and COUNT how often they press a button. still no MONITOR needed at all. To the people who say "spellcheck": .....omg. you know the average reaction time of a human is about 1 second? So do you really think leta types ONE LETTER PER SECOND???? Ofc you type faster than that and you cannot spellcheck every letter before you press the next button, which includes the ENTER BUTTON ! It's almost not possible to stop pressing the enter button when you realize you have pressed one "p" too much. The MONITOR DOESNT MATTER AT ALL !!!!! Thats why you often see "i go to shcool" "*school". Because the message is already sent when you realize you fucked up a word, if its the last word in a sentence. And in Leta's case it even was the last LETTER of his message ! Also i've read: To think I use to think hockey refs made bad calls
At least they don't disqualify a team for asking for a timeout improperly
I don't understand these kespa rules they seem to only allow referees to get some screen time. Are dq's sexy in Korea? ....DUDE, WHY ARE YOU LYING????? KeSPA DIDN't DQ THE WHOLE TEAM !!!!!! JUST ONE PLAYER !!! I hate it SO MUCH when people fucking LIE and state WRONG INFO or stupid comments which all don't matter just to exaggerate a situation. Please stop that..... Also i just read: On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note. This again fucks up all this stupid monitor comments, BUT don't even think about this point now. The reasons i mentioned above are 100% enough to clarify, why this monitor comments are stupid and useless. So i don't expect much constructive replies to this but IF you want to reply, DO NOT mention this last point like "oh ok it wasn't clear the monitor was just flickering, so thats why i posted that" because thats not the reason i posted this. Uh... hey there. I really don't understand what you're trying to say. It's not like the fact that he didn't need to see to type changes anything. Well, what most people are saying is that Leta thought he typed "ppp" and since he couldn't see his monitor there was no way for him to know that one of the "p"s didn't go through. 1. He can know he posted 2. But ok lets assume he didn't 2. if he's unsure he can still backspace and type "ppp" again. and yes he should take the effort and backspace if he's unsure, because its clearly stated in the rules and he should knew he gets DQ for this (ofc the rule itself is stupid, sop lets not talk about that, leta has to know its important to make sure he writes "ppp" instead of "pp") 3. Like i said before, even if he noticed that he typed just "pp" then he still would send it because the reaction time is not 0.1 secs (the time he needs to press the enter button after his last p)
Dude, you gotta realize that the game IS STILL GOING ON because after the issue is resolved, the game will resume where it stopped. Anyone who knows anything about SC will know that you cannot just sit there doing nothing for 20 seconds and not suffer massive advantage. Even 5 seconds will cost you. Leta doesn't have the luxury of just sitting there and type "P"'s all day.
In that kind of situation, the goal is to get the game paused as soon as possible because otherwise, you're fucked even if they don't DQ you. I can understand enforcing the GG rule strictly in that case because that would be enforcing good sportsmanship and the match is decided already. Obviously, the same cannot be said about PP, which must be typed in the middle of a heated match.
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can someone explain "along with the new 'GG' rule"? what is the new GG rule?
thanks
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
I'm hating KeSPA more and more every day.
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On April 29 2009 00:38 MasterReY wrote:Ok guys, i have to write a comment on this one now after i saw all this dumb comments in this thread and in the LR: "you can't know what ur typing when you don't see the monitor" ???? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? Sorry, i don't want to insult you, but such comments speak of a lack of intelligence. since when people type with a MONITOR???? You type with a KEYBOARD and ur FINGERS. Nothing else. 95% of the people don't even need EYES to type! They press the buttons on the KEYBOARD with their FINGERS. Even the 5% rest of the people don't need a MONITOR either because they use the EYES to see how often they press which buttons. The most "unskilled" writers can stare at their KEYBOARD and COUNT how often they press a button. still no MONITOR needed at all. To the people who say "spellcheck": .....omg. you know the average reaction time of a human is about 1 second? So do you really think leta types ONE LETTER PER SECOND???? Ofc you type faster than that and you cannot spellcheck every letter before you press the next button, which includes the ENTER BUTTON ! It's almost not possible to stop pressing the enter button when you realize you have pressed one "p" too much. The MONITOR DOESNT MATTER AT ALL !!!!! Thats why you often see "i go to shcool" "*school". Because the message is already sent when you realize you fucked up a word, if its the last word in a sentence. And in Leta's case it even was the last LETTER of his message ! Also i've read: Show nested quote +To think I use to think hockey refs made bad calls
At least they don't disqualify a team for asking for a timeout improperly
I don't understand these kespa rules they seem to only allow referees to get some screen time. Are dq's sexy in Korea? ....DUDE, WHY ARE YOU LYING????? KeSPA DIDN't DQ THE WHOLE TEAM !!!!!! JUST ONE PLAYER !!! I hate it SO MUCH when people fucking LIE and state WRONG INFO or stupid comments which all don't matter just to exaggerate a situation. Please stop that..... Also i just read: Show nested quote +On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note. This again fucks up all this stupid monitor comments, BUT don't even think about this point now. The reasons i mentioned above are 100% enough to clarify, why this monitor comments are stupid and useless. So i don't expect much constructive replies to this but IF you want to reply, DO NOT mention this last point like "oh ok it wasn't clear the monitor was just flickering, so thats why i posted that" because thats not the reason i posted this.
what did you smoke?
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On April 29 2009 01:07 MasterReY wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 00:53 hasuprotoss wrote:On April 29 2009 00:38 MasterReY wrote:Ok guys, i have to write a comment on this one now after i saw all this dumb comments in this thread and in the LR: "you can't know what ur typing when you don't see the monitor" ???? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? Sorry, i don't want to insult you, but such comments speak of a lack of intelligence. since when people type with a MONITOR???? You type with a KEYBOARD and ur FINGERS. Nothing else. 95% of the people don't even need EYES to type! They press the buttons on the KEYBOARD with their FINGERS. Even the 5% rest of the people don't need a MONITOR either because they use the EYES to see how often they press which buttons. The most "unskilled" writers can stare at their KEYBOARD and COUNT how often they press a button. still no MONITOR needed at all. To the people who say "spellcheck": .....omg. you know the average reaction time of a human is about 1 second? So do you really think leta types ONE LETTER PER SECOND???? Ofc you type faster than that and you cannot spellcheck every letter before you press the next button, which includes the ENTER BUTTON ! It's almost not possible to stop pressing the enter button when you realize you have pressed one "p" too much. The MONITOR DOESNT MATTER AT ALL !!!!! Thats why you often see "i go to shcool" "*school". Because the message is already sent when you realize you fucked up a word, if its the last word in a sentence. And in Leta's case it even was the last LETTER of his message ! Also i've read: To think I use to think hockey refs made bad calls
At least they don't disqualify a team for asking for a timeout improperly
I don't understand these kespa rules they seem to only allow referees to get some screen time. Are dq's sexy in Korea? ....DUDE, WHY ARE YOU LYING????? KeSPA DIDN't DQ THE WHOLE TEAM !!!!!! JUST ONE PLAYER !!! I hate it SO MUCH when people fucking LIE and state WRONG INFO or stupid comments which all don't matter just to exaggerate a situation. Please stop that..... Also i just read: On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note. This again fucks up all this stupid monitor comments, BUT don't even think about this point now. The reasons i mentioned above are 100% enough to clarify, why this monitor comments are stupid and useless. So i don't expect much constructive replies to this but IF you want to reply, DO NOT mention this last point like "oh ok it wasn't clear the monitor was just flickering, so thats why i posted that" because thats not the reason i posted this. Dear MasterRey, It has become apparent that you are an anti-fan boy. This coupled with your random as hell caps lock activations have brought the conclusion of the general consensus to the fact that you are an idiot. Sincerely, hasuprotoss PS: You aren't even addressing the real issue behind whether hitting "pp" is acceptable. Instead you are going off on some stupid random tangent. I'm totally not an anti-fanboy. Leta is actually really one of my favorite players. believe it or not. Ofc this decision is totally stupid, and i know the issue is that they should make an exception because it basically means the same as "ppp" and can't be confused with another msg. Don't assume things that make me stupid please. I posted that because there are so many stupid comments and the issue is rather obvious here and stated many times before in the thread(without stupid lies with it) so i didn't need to repeat that i think. My post only addresses to the wrong comments in this thread. And don't say i derail the thread because of that or w/e because the OP's issue is discussed and "solved" already like i said. My caps are on the important words in my post like "monitor" and "keyboard" so that they stand out more to clarify my msg.
You're still assuming that Leta knew how many p's he pressed. Who knows, maybe he thought that he pressed three. There is absolutely no way to know. I don't know why you are arguing that a perfect execution of typing three p's in a high intensity environment is necessary. Especially when something screws up with your monitor (even a little bit can throw you off).
Plus your paragraph about spellchecking is full of fail. It argues against what you seem to be saying. Plus you state that the reaction time of humans is 1 second. That's obviously not the case or else driving would be a much scarier place.
I'm not really going to continue to argue with you unless you actually bring something semi-intelligent to the table. Right now I have no idea what you are arguing and instead you sound like some rampant angry caveman through your first post.
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On April 29 2009 01:18 Juicyfruit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 00:58 MasterReY wrote:On April 29 2009 00:42 Zozma wrote:On April 29 2009 00:38 MasterReY wrote:Ok guys, i have to write a comment on this one now after i saw all this dumb comments in this thread and in the LR: "you can't know what ur typing when you don't see the monitor" ???? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? Sorry, i don't want to insult you, but such comments speak of a lack of intelligence. since when people type with a MONITOR???? You type with a KEYBOARD and ur FINGERS. Nothing else. 95% of the people don't even need EYES to type! They press the buttons on the KEYBOARD with their FINGERS. Even the 5% rest of the people don't need a MONITOR either because they use the EYES to see how often they press which buttons. The most "unskilled" writers can stare at their KEYBOARD and COUNT how often they press a button. still no MONITOR needed at all. To the people who say "spellcheck": .....omg. you know the average reaction time of a human is about 1 second? So do you really think leta types ONE LETTER PER SECOND???? Ofc you type faster than that and you cannot spellcheck every letter before you press the next button, which includes the ENTER BUTTON ! It's almost not possible to stop pressing the enter button when you realize you have pressed one "p" too much. The MONITOR DOESNT MATTER AT ALL !!!!! Thats why you often see "i go to shcool" "*school". Because the message is already sent when you realize you fucked up a word, if its the last word in a sentence. And in Leta's case it even was the last LETTER of his message ! Also i've read: To think I use to think hockey refs made bad calls
At least they don't disqualify a team for asking for a timeout improperly
I don't understand these kespa rules they seem to only allow referees to get some screen time. Are dq's sexy in Korea? ....DUDE, WHY ARE YOU LYING????? KeSPA DIDN't DQ THE WHOLE TEAM !!!!!! JUST ONE PLAYER !!! I hate it SO MUCH when people fucking LIE and state WRONG INFO or stupid comments which all don't matter just to exaggerate a situation. Please stop that..... Also i just read: On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note. This again fucks up all this stupid monitor comments, BUT don't even think about this point now. The reasons i mentioned above are 100% enough to clarify, why this monitor comments are stupid and useless. So i don't expect much constructive replies to this but IF you want to reply, DO NOT mention this last point like "oh ok it wasn't clear the monitor was just flickering, so thats why i posted that" because thats not the reason i posted this. Uh... hey there. I really don't understand what you're trying to say. It's not like the fact that he didn't need to see to type changes anything. Well, what most people are saying is that Leta thought he typed "ppp" and since he couldn't see his monitor there was no way for him to know that one of the "p"s didn't go through. 1. He can know he posted 2. But ok lets assume he didn't 2. if he's unsure he can still backspace and type "ppp" again. and yes he should take the effort and backspace if he's unsure, because its clearly stated in the rules and he should knew he gets DQ for this (ofc the rule itself is stupid, sop lets not talk about that, leta has to know its important to make sure he writes "ppp" instead of "pp") 3. Like i said before, even if he noticed that he typed just "pp" then he still would send it because the reaction time is not 0.1 secs (the time he needs to press the enter button after his last p) Dude, you gotta realize that the game IS STILL GOING ON because after the issue is resolved, the game will resume where it stopped. Anyone who knows anything about SC will know that you cannot just sit there doing nothing for 20 seconds and not suffer massive advantage. Even 5 seconds will cost you. Leta doesn't have the luxury of just sitting there and type "P"'s all day.
Your just saying that he has no time to type ONE letter more because his opponents gets an advantage because he can't play in that 0.1 sec?
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On April 29 2009 01:24 peja_ wrote:
can someone explain "along with the new 'GG' rule"? what is the new GG rule?
thanks
Simply that conceding defeat by typing anything other than "GG" or "gg" will result in a DQ and a warning.
Someone got slammed just a little while ago for typing "ww" instead of gg.
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On April 29 2009 01:30 MasterReY wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 01:18 Juicyfruit wrote:On April 29 2009 00:58 MasterReY wrote:On April 29 2009 00:42 Zozma wrote:On April 29 2009 00:38 MasterReY wrote:Ok guys, i have to write a comment on this one now after i saw all this dumb comments in this thread and in the LR: "you can't know what ur typing when you don't see the monitor" ???? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? Sorry, i don't want to insult you, but such comments speak of a lack of intelligence. since when people type with a MONITOR???? You type with a KEYBOARD and ur FINGERS. Nothing else. 95% of the people don't even need EYES to type! They press the buttons on the KEYBOARD with their FINGERS. Even the 5% rest of the people don't need a MONITOR either because they use the EYES to see how often they press which buttons. The most "unskilled" writers can stare at their KEYBOARD and COUNT how often they press a button. still no MONITOR needed at all. To the people who say "spellcheck": .....omg. you know the average reaction time of a human is about 1 second? So do you really think leta types ONE LETTER PER SECOND???? Ofc you type faster than that and you cannot spellcheck every letter before you press the next button, which includes the ENTER BUTTON ! It's almost not possible to stop pressing the enter button when you realize you have pressed one "p" too much. The MONITOR DOESNT MATTER AT ALL !!!!! Thats why you often see "i go to shcool" "*school". Because the message is already sent when you realize you fucked up a word, if its the last word in a sentence. And in Leta's case it even was the last LETTER of his message ! Also i've read: To think I use to think hockey refs made bad calls
At least they don't disqualify a team for asking for a timeout improperly
I don't understand these kespa rules they seem to only allow referees to get some screen time. Are dq's sexy in Korea? ....DUDE, WHY ARE YOU LYING????? KeSPA DIDN't DQ THE WHOLE TEAM !!!!!! JUST ONE PLAYER !!! I hate it SO MUCH when people fucking LIE and state WRONG INFO or stupid comments which all don't matter just to exaggerate a situation. Please stop that..... Also i just read: On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note. This again fucks up all this stupid monitor comments, BUT don't even think about this point now. The reasons i mentioned above are 100% enough to clarify, why this monitor comments are stupid and useless. So i don't expect much constructive replies to this but IF you want to reply, DO NOT mention this last point like "oh ok it wasn't clear the monitor was just flickering, so thats why i posted that" because thats not the reason i posted this. Uh... hey there. I really don't understand what you're trying to say. It's not like the fact that he didn't need to see to type changes anything. Well, what most people are saying is that Leta thought he typed "ppp" and since he couldn't see his monitor there was no way for him to know that one of the "p"s didn't go through. 1. He can know he posted 2. But ok lets assume he didn't 2. if he's unsure he can still backspace and type "ppp" again. and yes he should take the effort and backspace if he's unsure, because its clearly stated in the rules and he should knew he gets DQ for this (ofc the rule itself is stupid, sop lets not talk about that, leta has to know its important to make sure he writes "ppp" instead of "pp") 3. Like i said before, even if he noticed that he typed just "pp" then he still would send it because the reaction time is not 0.1 secs (the time he needs to press the enter button after his last p) Dude, you gotta realize that the game IS STILL GOING ON because after the issue is resolved, the game will resume where it stopped. Anyone who knows anything about SC will know that you cannot just sit there doing nothing for 20 seconds and not suffer massive advantage. Even 5 seconds will cost you. Leta doesn't have the luxury of just sitting there and type "P"'s all day. Your just saying that he has no time to type ONE letter more because his opponents gets an advantage because he can't play in that 0.1 sec?
You're missing the point, smart guy. Leta did not PURPOSELY choose to disobey the rules, but in the heat of the moment, especially with a malfunctioning screen, he HAD to rush to get the game paused and therefore cannot be bothered to double-check.
What you're asking Leta is to take time to PROOFREAD what he wrote several times on a flickering screen, which obviously takes more time than 0.1s
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On April 29 2009 01:31 erin[go]bragh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 01:24 peja_ wrote:
can someone explain "along with the new 'GG' rule"? what is the new GG rule?
thanks Simply that conceding defeat by typing anything other than "GG" or "gg" will result in a DQ and a warning. Someone got slammed just a little while ago for typing "ww" instead of gg.
Yep, here's the thread. Interestingly, even though Ruby's a relative no-name, AND it had no influence on the actual outcome of the game, it still got itself five pages.
Now that a well-known team ace got hit, and it "mattered", true nerd rage is being unleashed.
The more I think about it, the more I think that while the disqualification is too much for a pause mistake, the rule itself is fine. A warning for the pause thing should be enough.
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On April 29 2009 01:30 hasuprotoss wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 01:07 MasterReY wrote:On April 29 2009 00:53 hasuprotoss wrote:On April 29 2009 00:38 MasterReY wrote:Ok guys, i have to write a comment on this one now after i saw all this dumb comments in this thread and in the LR: "you can't know what ur typing when you don't see the monitor" ???? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? Sorry, i don't want to insult you, but such comments speak of a lack of intelligence. since when people type with a MONITOR???? You type with a KEYBOARD and ur FINGERS. Nothing else. 95% of the people don't even need EYES to type! They press the buttons on the KEYBOARD with their FINGERS. Even the 5% rest of the people don't need a MONITOR either because they use the EYES to see how often they press which buttons. The most "unskilled" writers can stare at their KEYBOARD and COUNT how often they press a button. still no MONITOR needed at all. To the people who say "spellcheck": .....omg. you know the average reaction time of a human is about 1 second? So do you really think leta types ONE LETTER PER SECOND???? Ofc you type faster than that and you cannot spellcheck every letter before you press the next button, which includes the ENTER BUTTON ! It's almost not possible to stop pressing the enter button when you realize you have pressed one "p" too much. The MONITOR DOESNT MATTER AT ALL !!!!! Thats why you often see "i go to shcool" "*school". Because the message is already sent when you realize you fucked up a word, if its the last word in a sentence. And in Leta's case it even was the last LETTER of his message ! Also i've read: To think I use to think hockey refs made bad calls
At least they don't disqualify a team for asking for a timeout improperly
I don't understand these kespa rules they seem to only allow referees to get some screen time. Are dq's sexy in Korea? ....DUDE, WHY ARE YOU LYING????? KeSPA DIDN't DQ THE WHOLE TEAM !!!!!! JUST ONE PLAYER !!! I hate it SO MUCH when people fucking LIE and state WRONG INFO or stupid comments which all don't matter just to exaggerate a situation. Please stop that..... Also i just read: On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note. This again fucks up all this stupid monitor comments, BUT don't even think about this point now. The reasons i mentioned above are 100% enough to clarify, why this monitor comments are stupid and useless. So i don't expect much constructive replies to this but IF you want to reply, DO NOT mention this last point like "oh ok it wasn't clear the monitor was just flickering, so thats why i posted that" because thats not the reason i posted this. Dear MasterRey, It has become apparent that you are an anti-fan boy. This coupled with your random as hell caps lock activations have brought the conclusion of the general consensus to the fact that you are an idiot. Sincerely, hasuprotoss PS: You aren't even addressing the real issue behind whether hitting "pp" is acceptable. Instead you are going off on some stupid random tangent. I'm totally not an anti-fanboy. Leta is actually really one of my favorite players. believe it or not. Ofc this decision is totally stupid, and i know the issue is that they should make an exception because it basically means the same as "ppp" and can't be confused with another msg. Don't assume things that make me stupid please. I posted that because there are so many stupid comments and the issue is rather obvious here and stated many times before in the thread(without stupid lies with it) so i didn't need to repeat that i think. My post only addresses to the wrong comments in this thread. And don't say i derail the thread because of that or w/e because the OP's issue is discussed and "solved" already like i said. My caps are on the important words in my post like "monitor" and "keyboard" so that they stand out more to clarify my msg. You're still assuming that Leta knew how many p's he pressed. Who knows, maybe he thought that he pressed three. There is absolutely no way to know. I don't know why you are arguing that a perfect execution of typing three p's in a high intensity environment is necessary. Especially when something screws up with your monitor (even a little bit can throw you off). Plus your paragraph about spellchecking is full of fail. It argues against what you seem to be saying. Plus you state that the reaction time of humans is 1 second. That's obviously not the case or else driving would be a much scarier place. I'm not really going to continue to argue with you unless you actually bring something semi-intelligent to the table. Right now I have no idea what you are arguing and instead you sound like some rampant angry caveman through your first post.
I'm not assuming he knew how many he typed. i explained both cases.
here is the part where im assuming he didn't know:
2. if he's unsure he can still backspace and type "ppp" again. and yes he should take the effort and backspace if he's unsure, because its clearly stated in the rules and he should knew he gets DQ for this
Reaction time is about 0.3-0.4 i checked that now. Still ALOT more than you need to press one single button on the keyboard. (the 1 second i mentioned was from car driving actually.....uh totally ur example. source: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrecksekunde, its only german and the english entry for this doesn't exists but im not trying to get more info to make it clear. ask germans to confirm its 1sec in driving.)
Please tell me why my part about spellchecking argues against myself.
Stop insulting me every post. thanks
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I distinctly recall watching a game recently where the REF called for a pause with 'pppp'. KeSPA needs to DQ its own retarded ass.
Edit: Thinking maybe it was Canata/Shine in MST?
Reedit: Nope, that wasn't it. I'll keep thinking.
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who would have thought that typing exactly 3 p's perfectly in less than 0.1 seconds blindfolded is the most important skill in starcraft
if you mess that up you lose the game instantly and threatens your career as a progamer
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On April 29 2009 01:37 Juicyfruit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 01:30 MasterReY wrote:On April 29 2009 01:18 Juicyfruit wrote:On April 29 2009 00:58 MasterReY wrote:On April 29 2009 00:42 Zozma wrote:On April 29 2009 00:38 MasterReY wrote:Ok guys, i have to write a comment on this one now after i saw all this dumb comments in this thread and in the LR: "you can't know what ur typing when you don't see the monitor" ???? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? Sorry, i don't want to insult you, but such comments speak of a lack of intelligence. since when people type with a MONITOR???? You type with a KEYBOARD and ur FINGERS. Nothing else. 95% of the people don't even need EYES to type! They press the buttons on the KEYBOARD with their FINGERS. Even the 5% rest of the people don't need a MONITOR either because they use the EYES to see how often they press which buttons. The most "unskilled" writers can stare at their KEYBOARD and COUNT how often they press a button. still no MONITOR needed at all. To the people who say "spellcheck": .....omg. you know the average reaction time of a human is about 1 second? So do you really think leta types ONE LETTER PER SECOND???? Ofc you type faster than that and you cannot spellcheck every letter before you press the next button, which includes the ENTER BUTTON ! It's almost not possible to stop pressing the enter button when you realize you have pressed one "p" too much. The MONITOR DOESNT MATTER AT ALL !!!!! Thats why you often see "i go to shcool" "*school". Because the message is already sent when you realize you fucked up a word, if its the last word in a sentence. And in Leta's case it even was the last LETTER of his message ! Also i've read: To think I use to think hockey refs made bad calls
At least they don't disqualify a team for asking for a timeout improperly
I don't understand these kespa rules they seem to only allow referees to get some screen time. Are dq's sexy in Korea? ....DUDE, WHY ARE YOU LYING????? KeSPA DIDN't DQ THE WHOLE TEAM !!!!!! JUST ONE PLAYER !!! I hate it SO MUCH when people fucking LIE and state WRONG INFO or stupid comments which all don't matter just to exaggerate a situation. Please stop that..... Also i just read: On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note. This again fucks up all this stupid monitor comments, BUT don't even think about this point now. The reasons i mentioned above are 100% enough to clarify, why this monitor comments are stupid and useless. So i don't expect much constructive replies to this but IF you want to reply, DO NOT mention this last point like "oh ok it wasn't clear the monitor was just flickering, so thats why i posted that" because thats not the reason i posted this. Uh... hey there. I really don't understand what you're trying to say. It's not like the fact that he didn't need to see to type changes anything. Well, what most people are saying is that Leta thought he typed "ppp" and since he couldn't see his monitor there was no way for him to know that one of the "p"s didn't go through. 1. He can know he posted 2. But ok lets assume he didn't 2. if he's unsure he can still backspace and type "ppp" again. and yes he should take the effort and backspace if he's unsure, because its clearly stated in the rules and he should knew he gets DQ for this (ofc the rule itself is stupid, sop lets not talk about that, leta has to know its important to make sure he writes "ppp" instead of "pp") 3. Like i said before, even if he noticed that he typed just "pp" then he still would send it because the reaction time is not 0.1 secs (the time he needs to press the enter button after his last p) Dude, you gotta realize that the game IS STILL GOING ON because after the issue is resolved, the game will resume where it stopped. Anyone who knows anything about SC will know that you cannot just sit there doing nothing for 20 seconds and not suffer massive advantage. Even 5 seconds will cost you. Leta doesn't have the luxury of just sitting there and type "P"'s all day. Your just saying that he has no time to type ONE letter more because his opponents gets an advantage because he can't play in that 0.1 sec? You're missing the point, smart guy. Leta did not PURPOSELY choose to disobey the rules, but in the heat of the moment, especially with a malfunctioning screen, he HAD to rush to get the game paused and therefore cannot be bothered to double-check. What you're asking Leta is to take time to PROOFREAD what he wrote several times on a flickering screen, which obviously takes more time than 0.1s
im happy you totally confirmed my point.
The whole reason for my post was to say that comments like "monitor was broken he couldn't check what he was typing" are stupid.
you just said he had no time to check in the heat of the moment. So monitor not needed. correct?
like i said i totally agree with the rule being stupid.
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This is stupid, you're in the middle of a game, I can understand the GG one but if you SERIOUSLY need a pause in the middle of the game your main concern is getting the game paused because something is wrong, not doing a perfect request for a pause. This scenario doesn't prove it because from what I've read it was in a down time area of the match, but what happens if it's right before a battle and something like this happens?
I think this is just kespa pushing it too far, this rule is unnecessary, handle it by scenario not by a generic rule to be applied to every situation. if someone types "FUCK YOU PAUSE" you wouldn't handle it the same as someone going "PPPPPPPPPP" for pause.
Meh, poor leta, he got screwed imo this rule is useless to make the players be that specific mid-game on a pause where anything could make or break the game sometimes.
/end rant
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On April 29 2009 01:41 MasterReY wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 01:37 Juicyfruit wrote:On April 29 2009 01:30 MasterReY wrote:On April 29 2009 01:18 Juicyfruit wrote:On April 29 2009 00:58 MasterReY wrote:On April 29 2009 00:42 Zozma wrote:On April 29 2009 00:38 MasterReY wrote:Ok guys, i have to write a comment on this one now after i saw all this dumb comments in this thread and in the LR: "you can't know what ur typing when you don't see the monitor" ???? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? Sorry, i don't want to insult you, but such comments speak of a lack of intelligence. since when people type with a MONITOR???? You type with a KEYBOARD and ur FINGERS. Nothing else. 95% of the people don't even need EYES to type! They press the buttons on the KEYBOARD with their FINGERS. Even the 5% rest of the people don't need a MONITOR either because they use the EYES to see how often they press which buttons. The most "unskilled" writers can stare at their KEYBOARD and COUNT how often they press a button. still no MONITOR needed at all. To the people who say "spellcheck": .....omg. you know the average reaction time of a human is about 1 second? So do you really think leta types ONE LETTER PER SECOND???? Ofc you type faster than that and you cannot spellcheck every letter before you press the next button, which includes the ENTER BUTTON ! It's almost not possible to stop pressing the enter button when you realize you have pressed one "p" too much. The MONITOR DOESNT MATTER AT ALL !!!!! Thats why you often see "i go to shcool" "*school". Because the message is already sent when you realize you fucked up a word, if its the last word in a sentence. And in Leta's case it even was the last LETTER of his message ! Also i've read: To think I use to think hockey refs made bad calls
At least they don't disqualify a team for asking for a timeout improperly
I don't understand these kespa rules they seem to only allow referees to get some screen time. Are dq's sexy in Korea? ....DUDE, WHY ARE YOU LYING????? KeSPA DIDN't DQ THE WHOLE TEAM !!!!!! JUST ONE PLAYER !!! I hate it SO MUCH when people fucking LIE and state WRONG INFO or stupid comments which all don't matter just to exaggerate a situation. Please stop that..... Also i just read: On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note. This again fucks up all this stupid monitor comments, BUT don't even think about this point now. The reasons i mentioned above are 100% enough to clarify, why this monitor comments are stupid and useless. So i don't expect much constructive replies to this but IF you want to reply, DO NOT mention this last point like "oh ok it wasn't clear the monitor was just flickering, so thats why i posted that" because thats not the reason i posted this. Uh... hey there. I really don't understand what you're trying to say. It's not like the fact that he didn't need to see to type changes anything. Well, what most people are saying is that Leta thought he typed "ppp" and since he couldn't see his monitor there was no way for him to know that one of the "p"s didn't go through. 1. He can know he posted 2. But ok lets assume he didn't 2. if he's unsure he can still backspace and type "ppp" again. and yes he should take the effort and backspace if he's unsure, because its clearly stated in the rules and he should knew he gets DQ for this (ofc the rule itself is stupid, sop lets not talk about that, leta has to know its important to make sure he writes "ppp" instead of "pp") 3. Like i said before, even if he noticed that he typed just "pp" then he still would send it because the reaction time is not 0.1 secs (the time he needs to press the enter button after his last p) Dude, you gotta realize that the game IS STILL GOING ON because after the issue is resolved, the game will resume where it stopped. Anyone who knows anything about SC will know that you cannot just sit there doing nothing for 20 seconds and not suffer massive advantage. Even 5 seconds will cost you. Leta doesn't have the luxury of just sitting there and type "P"'s all day. Your just saying that he has no time to type ONE letter more because his opponents gets an advantage because he can't play in that 0.1 sec? You're missing the point, smart guy. Leta did not PURPOSELY choose to disobey the rules, but in the heat of the moment, especially with a malfunctioning screen, he HAD to rush to get the game paused and therefore cannot be bothered to double-check. What you're asking Leta is to take time to PROOFREAD what he wrote several times on a flickering screen, which obviously takes more time than 0.1s im happy you totally confirmed my point. The whole reason for my post was to say that comments like "monitor was broken he couldn't check what he was typing" are stupid. you just said he had no time to check in the heat of the moment. So monitor not needed. correct?
Obviously, your ability to judge whether you typed something correctly would be further impaired if you could not even see clearly what you're typing, making his mistake even more forgivable.
However, I am also saying that even if the screen was working perfectly, it's still a dumb rule to uphold because under the pressure of a match, it's unreasonable to ask players to divert their attention from the game to concentrate on HOW TO PAUSE THE GAME properly.
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Ok, we know that Fomos didnt interview Kal, not to mentioning about this
But, what about Leta, no media interested in listening what the affected player wants to say??
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On April 29 2009 01:30 MasterReY wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 01:18 Juicyfruit wrote:On April 29 2009 00:58 MasterReY wrote:On April 29 2009 00:42 Zozma wrote:On April 29 2009 00:38 MasterReY wrote:Ok guys, i have to write a comment on this one now after i saw all this dumb comments in this thread and in the LR: "you can't know what ur typing when you don't see the monitor" ???? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? Sorry, i don't want to insult you, but such comments speak of a lack of intelligence. since when people type with a MONITOR???? You type with a KEYBOARD and ur FINGERS. Nothing else. 95% of the people don't even need EYES to type! They press the buttons on the KEYBOARD with their FINGERS. Even the 5% rest of the people don't need a MONITOR either because they use the EYES to see how often they press which buttons. The most "unskilled" writers can stare at their KEYBOARD and COUNT how often they press a button. still no MONITOR needed at all. To the people who say "spellcheck": .....omg. you know the average reaction time of a human is about 1 second? So do you really think leta types ONE LETTER PER SECOND???? Ofc you type faster than that and you cannot spellcheck every letter before you press the next button, which includes the ENTER BUTTON ! It's almost not possible to stop pressing the enter button when you realize you have pressed one "p" too much. The MONITOR DOESNT MATTER AT ALL !!!!! Thats why you often see "i go to shcool" "*school". Because the message is already sent when you realize you fucked up a word, if its the last word in a sentence. And in Leta's case it even was the last LETTER of his message ! Also i've read: To think I use to think hockey refs made bad calls
At least they don't disqualify a team for asking for a timeout improperly
I don't understand these kespa rules they seem to only allow referees to get some screen time. Are dq's sexy in Korea? ....DUDE, WHY ARE YOU LYING????? KeSPA DIDN't DQ THE WHOLE TEAM !!!!!! JUST ONE PLAYER !!! I hate it SO MUCH when people fucking LIE and state WRONG INFO or stupid comments which all don't matter just to exaggerate a situation. Please stop that..... Also i just read: On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note. This again fucks up all this stupid monitor comments, BUT don't even think about this point now. The reasons i mentioned above are 100% enough to clarify, why this monitor comments are stupid and useless. So i don't expect much constructive replies to this but IF you want to reply, DO NOT mention this last point like "oh ok it wasn't clear the monitor was just flickering, so thats why i posted that" because thats not the reason i posted this. Uh... hey there. I really don't understand what you're trying to say. It's not like the fact that he didn't need to see to type changes anything. Well, what most people are saying is that Leta thought he typed "ppp" and since he couldn't see his monitor there was no way for him to know that one of the "p"s didn't go through. 1. He can know he posted 2. But ok lets assume he didn't 2. if he's unsure he can still backspace and type "ppp" again. and yes he should take the effort and backspace if he's unsure, because its clearly stated in the rules and he should knew he gets DQ for this (ofc the rule itself is stupid, sop lets not talk about that, leta has to know its important to make sure he writes "ppp" instead of "pp") 3. Like i said before, even if he noticed that he typed just "pp" then he still would send it because the reaction time is not 0.1 secs (the time he needs to press the enter button after his last p) Dude, you gotta realize that the game IS STILL GOING ON because after the issue is resolved, the game will resume where it stopped. Anyone who knows anything about SC will know that you cannot just sit there doing nothing for 20 seconds and not suffer massive advantage. Even 5 seconds will cost you. Leta doesn't have the luxury of just sitting there and type "P"'s all day. Your just saying that he has no time to type ONE letter more because his opponents gets an advantage because he can't play in that 0.1 sec?
Just stop it man. You're making a fool of yourself and you going on to defend the things you said in your first post over and over again is only making it worse.
The main reason people are annoyed about this seemed to have passed way over your head as you argue about pointless stuff and seem to be more interested in nitpicking apart people's post. The reason people are annoyed is that anyone can make the mistake of typing one letter more or less into the chat. Should that cost them the effort of 12hour a day training and a good overall game performance do you think? Do you find that reasonable? If you don't please stop trying to defend your initial points because they all point to the fact that you do.
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On April 29 2009 01:45 Juicyfruit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 01:41 MasterReY wrote:On April 29 2009 01:37 Juicyfruit wrote:On April 29 2009 01:30 MasterReY wrote:On April 29 2009 01:18 Juicyfruit wrote:On April 29 2009 00:58 MasterReY wrote:On April 29 2009 00:42 Zozma wrote:On April 29 2009 00:38 MasterReY wrote:Ok guys, i have to write a comment on this one now after i saw all this dumb comments in this thread and in the LR: "you can't know what ur typing when you don't see the monitor" ???? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? Sorry, i don't want to insult you, but such comments speak of a lack of intelligence. since when people type with a MONITOR???? You type with a KEYBOARD and ur FINGERS. Nothing else. 95% of the people don't even need EYES to type! They press the buttons on the KEYBOARD with their FINGERS. Even the 5% rest of the people don't need a MONITOR either because they use the EYES to see how often they press which buttons. The most "unskilled" writers can stare at their KEYBOARD and COUNT how often they press a button. still no MONITOR needed at all. To the people who say "spellcheck": .....omg. you know the average reaction time of a human is about 1 second? So do you really think leta types ONE LETTER PER SECOND???? Ofc you type faster than that and you cannot spellcheck every letter before you press the next button, which includes the ENTER BUTTON ! It's almost not possible to stop pressing the enter button when you realize you have pressed one "p" too much. The MONITOR DOESNT MATTER AT ALL !!!!! Thats why you often see "i go to shcool" "*school". Because the message is already sent when you realize you fucked up a word, if its the last word in a sentence. And in Leta's case it even was the last LETTER of his message ! Also i've read: To think I use to think hockey refs made bad calls
At least they don't disqualify a team for asking for a timeout improperly
I don't understand these kespa rules they seem to only allow referees to get some screen time. Are dq's sexy in Korea? ....DUDE, WHY ARE YOU LYING????? KeSPA DIDN't DQ THE WHOLE TEAM !!!!!! JUST ONE PLAYER !!! I hate it SO MUCH when people fucking LIE and state WRONG INFO or stupid comments which all don't matter just to exaggerate a situation. Please stop that..... Also i just read: On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note. This again fucks up all this stupid monitor comments, BUT don't even think about this point now. The reasons i mentioned above are 100% enough to clarify, why this monitor comments are stupid and useless. So i don't expect much constructive replies to this but IF you want to reply, DO NOT mention this last point like "oh ok it wasn't clear the monitor was just flickering, so thats why i posted that" because thats not the reason i posted this. Uh... hey there. I really don't understand what you're trying to say. It's not like the fact that he didn't need to see to type changes anything. Well, what most people are saying is that Leta thought he typed "ppp" and since he couldn't see his monitor there was no way for him to know that one of the "p"s didn't go through. 1. He can know he posted 2. But ok lets assume he didn't 2. if he's unsure he can still backspace and type "ppp" again. and yes he should take the effort and backspace if he's unsure, because its clearly stated in the rules and he should knew he gets DQ for this (ofc the rule itself is stupid, sop lets not talk about that, leta has to know its important to make sure he writes "ppp" instead of "pp") 3. Like i said before, even if he noticed that he typed just "pp" then he still would send it because the reaction time is not 0.1 secs (the time he needs to press the enter button after his last p) Dude, you gotta realize that the game IS STILL GOING ON because after the issue is resolved, the game will resume where it stopped. Anyone who knows anything about SC will know that you cannot just sit there doing nothing for 20 seconds and not suffer massive advantage. Even 5 seconds will cost you. Leta doesn't have the luxury of just sitting there and type "P"'s all day. Your just saying that he has no time to type ONE letter more because his opponents gets an advantage because he can't play in that 0.1 sec? You're missing the point, smart guy. Leta did not PURPOSELY choose to disobey the rules, but in the heat of the moment, especially with a malfunctioning screen, he HAD to rush to get the game paused and therefore cannot be bothered to double-check. What you're asking Leta is to take time to PROOFREAD what he wrote several times on a flickering screen, which obviously takes more time than 0.1s im happy you totally confirmed my point. The whole reason for my post was to say that comments like "monitor was broken he couldn't check what he was typing" are stupid. you just said he had no time to check in the heat of the moment. So monitor not needed. correct? Obviously, your ability to judge whether you typed something correctly would be further impaired if you could not even see clearly what you're typing. However, I am also saying that even if the screen was working perfectly, it's still a dumb rule to uphold because under the pressure of a match, it's unreasonable to ask players to divert their attention from the game to concentrate on HOW TO PAUSE THE GAME properly.
Yes of course. i have the same opinion.
Rule is stupid and kespa shouldnt DQ leta. I'm just posting against people who try to make kespas decision worse by saying "omg kespa is stupid because he didn't even saw what he was typing.
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if i met that guy on the street i'd probably just punch him in the face and carry on walking.
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On April 29 2009 01:54 Zurles wrote:
if i met that guy on the street i'd probably just punch him in the face and carry on walking.
the kespa ref couldn't do anything else or otherwise he would lose his job probably.
The one to blame is kespa for not allowing "pp"
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Wow that referee must've been completely braindead, where do they find those people, incredible.
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On April 29 2009 01:47 MasterReY wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 01:45 Juicyfruit wrote:On April 29 2009 01:41 MasterReY wrote:On April 29 2009 01:37 Juicyfruit wrote:On April 29 2009 01:30 MasterReY wrote:On April 29 2009 01:18 Juicyfruit wrote:On April 29 2009 00:58 MasterReY wrote:On April 29 2009 00:42 Zozma wrote:On April 29 2009 00:38 MasterReY wrote:Ok guys, i have to write a comment on this one now after i saw all this dumb comments in this thread and in the LR: "you can't know what ur typing when you don't see the monitor" ???? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? Sorry, i don't want to insult you, but such comments speak of a lack of intelligence. since when people type with a MONITOR???? You type with a KEYBOARD and ur FINGERS. Nothing else. 95% of the people don't even need EYES to type! They press the buttons on the KEYBOARD with their FINGERS. Even the 5% rest of the people don't need a MONITOR either because they use the EYES to see how often they press which buttons. The most "unskilled" writers can stare at their KEYBOARD and COUNT how often they press a button. still no MONITOR needed at all. To the people who say "spellcheck": .....omg. you know the average reaction time of a human is about 1 second? So do you really think leta types ONE LETTER PER SECOND???? Ofc you type faster than that and you cannot spellcheck every letter before you press the next button, which includes the ENTER BUTTON ! It's almost not possible to stop pressing the enter button when you realize you have pressed one "p" too much. The MONITOR DOESNT MATTER AT ALL !!!!! Thats why you often see "i go to shcool" "*school". Because the message is already sent when you realize you fucked up a word, if its the last word in a sentence. And in Leta's case it even was the last LETTER of his message ! Also i've read: To think I use to think hockey refs made bad calls
At least they don't disqualify a team for asking for a timeout improperly
I don't understand these kespa rules they seem to only allow referees to get some screen time. Are dq's sexy in Korea? ....DUDE, WHY ARE YOU LYING????? KeSPA DIDN't DQ THE WHOLE TEAM !!!!!! JUST ONE PLAYER !!! I hate it SO MUCH when people fucking LIE and state WRONG INFO or stupid comments which all don't matter just to exaggerate a situation. Please stop that..... Also i just read: On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note. This again fucks up all this stupid monitor comments, BUT don't even think about this point now. The reasons i mentioned above are 100% enough to clarify, why this monitor comments are stupid and useless. So i don't expect much constructive replies to this but IF you want to reply, DO NOT mention this last point like "oh ok it wasn't clear the monitor was just flickering, so thats why i posted that" because thats not the reason i posted this. Uh... hey there. I really don't understand what you're trying to say. It's not like the fact that he didn't need to see to type changes anything. Well, what most people are saying is that Leta thought he typed "ppp" and since he couldn't see his monitor there was no way for him to know that one of the "p"s didn't go through. 1. He can know he posted 2. But ok lets assume he didn't 2. if he's unsure he can still backspace and type "ppp" again. and yes he should take the effort and backspace if he's unsure, because its clearly stated in the rules and he should knew he gets DQ for this (ofc the rule itself is stupid, sop lets not talk about that, leta has to know its important to make sure he writes "ppp" instead of "pp") 3. Like i said before, even if he noticed that he typed just "pp" then he still would send it because the reaction time is not 0.1 secs (the time he needs to press the enter button after his last p) Dude, you gotta realize that the game IS STILL GOING ON because after the issue is resolved, the game will resume where it stopped. Anyone who knows anything about SC will know that you cannot just sit there doing nothing for 20 seconds and not suffer massive advantage. Even 5 seconds will cost you. Leta doesn't have the luxury of just sitting there and type "P"'s all day. Your just saying that he has no time to type ONE letter more because his opponents gets an advantage because he can't play in that 0.1 sec? You're missing the point, smart guy. Leta did not PURPOSELY choose to disobey the rules, but in the heat of the moment, especially with a malfunctioning screen, he HAD to rush to get the game paused and therefore cannot be bothered to double-check. What you're asking Leta is to take time to PROOFREAD what he wrote several times on a flickering screen, which obviously takes more time than 0.1s im happy you totally confirmed my point. The whole reason for my post was to say that comments like "monitor was broken he couldn't check what he was typing" are stupid. you just said he had no time to check in the heat of the moment. So monitor not needed. correct? Obviously, your ability to judge whether you typed something correctly would be further impaired if you could not even see clearly what you're typing. However, I am also saying that even if the screen was working perfectly, it's still a dumb rule to uphold because under the pressure of a match, it's unreasonable to ask players to divert their attention from the game to concentrate on HOW TO PAUSE THE GAME properly. Yes of course. i have the same opinion. Rule is stupid and kespa shouldnt DQ leta. I'm just posting against people who try to make kespas decision worse by saying "omg kespa is stupid because he didn't even saw what he was typing. You can stop digging now. It's fine. The hole is deep enough.
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Just wondering, does it take a Korean SSN to register an account on Kespa's boards?
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They (koreans) take this all way to serious imo, but thats just me I mean what can possibly happen with pause?
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On April 29 2009 01:30 MasterReY wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 01:18 Juicyfruit wrote:On April 29 2009 00:58 MasterReY wrote:On April 29 2009 00:42 Zozma wrote:On April 29 2009 00:38 MasterReY wrote:Ok guys, i have to write a comment on this one now after i saw all this dumb comments in this thread and in the LR: "you can't know what ur typing when you don't see the monitor" ???? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? Sorry, i don't want to insult you, but such comments speak of a lack of intelligence. since when people type with a MONITOR???? You type with a KEYBOARD and ur FINGERS. Nothing else. 95% of the people don't even need EYES to type! They press the buttons on the KEYBOARD with their FINGERS. Even the 5% rest of the people don't need a MONITOR either because they use the EYES to see how often they press which buttons. The most "unskilled" writers can stare at their KEYBOARD and COUNT how often they press a button. still no MONITOR needed at all. To the people who say "spellcheck": .....omg. you know the average reaction time of a human is about 1 second? So do you really think leta types ONE LETTER PER SECOND???? Ofc you type faster than that and you cannot spellcheck every letter before you press the next button, which includes the ENTER BUTTON ! It's almost not possible to stop pressing the enter button when you realize you have pressed one "p" too much. The MONITOR DOESNT MATTER AT ALL !!!!! Thats why you often see "i go to shcool" "*school". Because the message is already sent when you realize you fucked up a word, if its the last word in a sentence. And in Leta's case it even was the last LETTER of his message ! Also i've read: To think I use to think hockey refs made bad calls
At least they don't disqualify a team for asking for a timeout improperly
I don't understand these kespa rules they seem to only allow referees to get some screen time. Are dq's sexy in Korea? ....DUDE, WHY ARE YOU LYING????? KeSPA DIDN't DQ THE WHOLE TEAM !!!!!! JUST ONE PLAYER !!! I hate it SO MUCH when people fucking LIE and state WRONG INFO or stupid comments which all don't matter just to exaggerate a situation. Please stop that..... Also i just read: On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note. This again fucks up all this stupid monitor comments, BUT don't even think about this point now. The reasons i mentioned above are 100% enough to clarify, why this monitor comments are stupid and useless. So i don't expect much constructive replies to this but IF you want to reply, DO NOT mention this last point like "oh ok it wasn't clear the monitor was just flickering, so thats why i posted that" because thats not the reason i posted this. Uh... hey there. I really don't understand what you're trying to say. It's not like the fact that he didn't need to see to type changes anything. Well, what most people are saying is that Leta thought he typed "ppp" and since he couldn't see his monitor there was no way for him to know that one of the "p"s didn't go through. 1. He can know he posted 2. But ok lets assume he didn't 2. if he's unsure he can still backspace and type "ppp" again. and yes he should take the effort and backspace if he's unsure, because its clearly stated in the rules and he should knew he gets DQ for this (ofc the rule itself is stupid, sop lets not talk about that, leta has to know its important to make sure he writes "ppp" instead of "pp") 3. Like i said before, even if he noticed that he typed just "pp" then he still would send it because the reaction time is not 0.1 secs (the time he needs to press the enter button after his last p) Dude, you gotta realize that the game IS STILL GOING ON because after the issue is resolved, the game will resume where it stopped. Anyone who knows anything about SC will know that you cannot just sit there doing nothing for 20 seconds and not suffer massive advantage. Even 5 seconds will cost you. Leta doesn't have the luxury of just sitting there and type "P"'s all day. Your just saying that he has no time to type ONE letter more because his opponents gets an advantage because he can't play in that 0.1 sec?
what are you getting at? are you trolling? i sure hope so, because the only other option is that you are retarded
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Lol, that's just sad. I think they need to focus on other rules than pp vs. ppp.
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On April 29 2009 02:11 food wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 01:30 MasterReY wrote:On April 29 2009 01:18 Juicyfruit wrote:On April 29 2009 00:58 MasterReY wrote:On April 29 2009 00:42 Zozma wrote:On April 29 2009 00:38 MasterReY wrote:Ok guys, i have to write a comment on this one now after i saw all this dumb comments in this thread and in the LR: "you can't know what ur typing when you don't see the monitor" ???? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? Sorry, i don't want to insult you, but such comments speak of a lack of intelligence. since when people type with a MONITOR???? You type with a KEYBOARD and ur FINGERS. Nothing else. 95% of the people don't even need EYES to type! They press the buttons on the KEYBOARD with their FINGERS. Even the 5% rest of the people don't need a MONITOR either because they use the EYES to see how often they press which buttons. The most "unskilled" writers can stare at their KEYBOARD and COUNT how often they press a button. still no MONITOR needed at all. To the people who say "spellcheck": .....omg. you know the average reaction time of a human is about 1 second? So do you really think leta types ONE LETTER PER SECOND???? Ofc you type faster than that and you cannot spellcheck every letter before you press the next button, which includes the ENTER BUTTON ! It's almost not possible to stop pressing the enter button when you realize you have pressed one "p" too much. The MONITOR DOESNT MATTER AT ALL !!!!! Thats why you often see "i go to shcool" "*school". Because the message is already sent when you realize you fucked up a word, if its the last word in a sentence. And in Leta's case it even was the last LETTER of his message ! Also i've read: To think I use to think hockey refs made bad calls
At least they don't disqualify a team for asking for a timeout improperly
I don't understand these kespa rules they seem to only allow referees to get some screen time. Are dq's sexy in Korea? ....DUDE, WHY ARE YOU LYING????? KeSPA DIDN't DQ THE WHOLE TEAM !!!!!! JUST ONE PLAYER !!! I hate it SO MUCH when people fucking LIE and state WRONG INFO or stupid comments which all don't matter just to exaggerate a situation. Please stop that..... Also i just read: On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note. This again fucks up all this stupid monitor comments, BUT don't even think about this point now. The reasons i mentioned above are 100% enough to clarify, why this monitor comments are stupid and useless. So i don't expect much constructive replies to this but IF you want to reply, DO NOT mention this last point like "oh ok it wasn't clear the monitor was just flickering, so thats why i posted that" because thats not the reason i posted this. Uh... hey there. I really don't understand what you're trying to say. It's not like the fact that he didn't need to see to type changes anything. Well, what most people are saying is that Leta thought he typed "ppp" and since he couldn't see his monitor there was no way for him to know that one of the "p"s didn't go through. 1. He can know he posted 2. But ok lets assume he didn't 2. if he's unsure he can still backspace and type "ppp" again. and yes he should take the effort and backspace if he's unsure, because its clearly stated in the rules and he should knew he gets DQ for this (ofc the rule itself is stupid, sop lets not talk about that, leta has to know its important to make sure he writes "ppp" instead of "pp") 3. Like i said before, even if he noticed that he typed just "pp" then he still would send it because the reaction time is not 0.1 secs (the time he needs to press the enter button after his last p) Dude, you gotta realize that the game IS STILL GOING ON because after the issue is resolved, the game will resume where it stopped. Anyone who knows anything about SC will know that you cannot just sit there doing nothing for 20 seconds and not suffer massive advantage. Even 5 seconds will cost you. Leta doesn't have the luxury of just sitting there and type "P"'s all day. Your just saying that he has no time to type ONE letter more because his opponents gets an advantage because he can't play in that 0.1 sec? what are you getting at? are you trolling? i sure hope so, because the only other option is that you are retarded
Assuming my post is wrong without arguements to back it up plus insulting. nice post
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I think all the stupid KeSPA incidents lately might help Gom rise to power. How could the teams continue to pass on the GomTV Intel Classic when it doesn't have ridiculously bad calls like this, and a larger prize pool of money?
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I must say that kespa has no other option then to disqualify Leta. they want sharp rules. When money is involved the rules need to be followed.
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The rules should be modified to be more broad. Considering they banned chatting ingame, its obvious that whenever a player types something, there's either a problem or he's giving up. They should make it so that the referees have a call on which one it is, regardless of what the player types.
The way they have it set right now is basically an auto-ban feature where if the progamer presses enter -> any key sequence but "gg" or "ppp" -> enter, they're disqualified, which is utterly retarded. Are the referees so dumb that they can only identify those two codes?
How it should be: If the player types gg, ww, zizi yo or whatever other common "forfeiting" sentences, the referee assumes he's given up. If he types anything BUT these words, the referee pauses the game and goes check out why has he sent such message. If it's anything other than a technical problem, then the referee may disqualify him.
Point is, disqualification should be given only when the intent of the player was just messing around with the chat function for no reason (which in my opinion shouldn't be banned at all either, but whatever).
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On April 29 2009 02:23 Yurebis wrote:
The rules should be modified to be more broad. Considering they banned chatting ingame, its obvious that whenever a player types something, there's either a problem or he's giving up. They should make it so that the referees have a call on which one it is, regardless of what the player types.
That way there could be some double standarts. Same situations being called differently by different refs. That could piss off some teams.
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They couldn't just have Leta type an additional 'p' to complete the trio? I mean, it isn't like he overtyped and said something audacious like "pppp" where you can't possible take back one of those Ps, you can add onto a previous statement.
edit: Just thought I'd give an instant replay on what I thought was a pretty sweet comment exchange on this thread
On April 29 2009 00:38 MasterReY wrote:Also i've read: Show nested quote +To think I use to think hockey refs made bad calls
At least they don't disqualify a team for asking for a timeout improperly
I don't understand these kespa rules they seem to only allow referees to get some screen time. Are dq's sexy in Korea? ....DUDE, WHY ARE YOU LYING????? KeSPA DIDN't DQ THE WHOLE TEAM !!!!!! JUST ONE PLAYER !!! I hate it SO MUCH when people fucking LIE and state WRONG INFO or stupid comments which all don't matter just to exaggerate a situation. Please stop that.....
Rage less, spend that effort paying attention and understanding what is going on. It wasn't even about this specific incident. Unless a team really was disqualified for asking for a timeout? Someone else can shed some light on this, maybe.
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i would have smashed the mouse on the table and left.
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Interesting translation. I didn't know they swore so much in Korean.
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KeSPA sinks to new lows
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On April 28 2009 23:46 niteReloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2009 22:24 Jusciax wrote:
If there is a rule - referees have to enforce it. There shouldn't be any blame towards referee imo. It's Kespa's fault that there is such rule, not referees fault that he enforces them.
EDIT: so putting referees picture in the OP and implying that he's the bad guy is wrong. As stupid as this is, it had to happen sooner or later. If this DIDN'T happen, next thing you know, someone types "p". Game gets paused. Next: "p plz" -> "game paused" Next: "p sexsexpussy hair pause kk thx" The more exceptions you make, the less credible you become.
Yes but the thing is when somebody's monitor is messed up and they type pp instead of ppp than that's just not a fair circumstance for a disqualification.
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I guess no one recognizes the name Chang Seok Jun - he's Bassy, oldschool Zerg progamer who took down big names like Garimto, Boxer, NaDa, TheMarine, and Grrr in his prime. It's unfortunate that he did this to Leta.
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I also don't understand why Fomos pussed out and didn't ask anyone at the match a single question about this. This should be a huge news story, instead it's a cover-up? Weak sauce Fomos, weak sauce.
It's sad our main source of news on the Korean eSports scene is KeSPA's lapdog.
PS this totally fucked up my liquibet too. NOW I'm pissed
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The rules were stated, the penalties were stated. What if someone zz's, and his opponent, content with assuming he won, stops everything hes doing, and gg's in return, but then that zz guy pauses the game, and claims zz meant something else. There needs to be a line drawn somewhere, and Kespa just put their standards really high. I feel it is more professional on their part. Rules are rules, follow them and there won't be any problems.
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My analysis:
(1) Imagine you are in a situation where the opponent can attack at anytime in such a fast pace game, your first priority is to pause the game A.S.A.P.
(2) With APM 300+, most player's actions are just merely reactions.
(3) Key command in starcraft often come in the combination of 2 key-strokes.
Example:
11 => go to group1
22 => go to group2
gg => good game
(1) + (2) + (3) ==> it is so natural to make a mistake of typing 'pp' instead of 'ppp'
KeSPA pausing rule is user-unfriendly
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On April 29 2009 02:45 pubbanana wrote:
I guess no one recognizes the name Chang Seok Jun - he's Bassy, oldschool Zerg progamer who took down big names like Garimto, Boxer, NaDa, TheMarine, and Grrr in his prime. It's unfortunate that he did this to Leta.
That's some really oldschool stuff, I believe he finished high in one of the KBKs. Technically, you could say he is even from before those guys you mentioned even though part of their periods overlapped.
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Haha, if you surrender with anything but gg you get disqualified? So you end up losing the game... that you would have lost? Well, that's a useful rule, KeSPA.
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On April 29 2009 02:49 s_86 wrote:
The rules were stated, the penalties were stated. What if someone zz's, and his opponent, content with assuming he won, stops everything hes doing, and gg's in return, but then that zz guy pauses the game, and claims zz meant something else. There needs to be a line drawn somewhere, and Kespa just put their standards really high. I feel it is more professional on their part. Rules are rules, follow them and there won't be any problems.
Just because the rules and penalties are stated does not mean that those rules and penalties make sense. When a one-letter typo while your monitor is broken can lose you the game (and likely your team the match), shit is wrong.
I don't think most people are saying that an exception should have been made for Leta in this situation (though that certainly would have made sense) but rather that the original rule is incredibly messed up.
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On April 29 2009 02:29 sashkata wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 02:23 Yurebis wrote:
The rules should be modified to be more broad. Considering they banned chatting ingame, its obvious that whenever a player types something, there's either a problem or he's giving up. They should make it so that the referees have a call on which one it is, regardless of what the player types. That way there could be some double standarts. Same situations being called differently by different refs. That could piss off some teams.
No, because every message carries the weight of giving up. Meaning, if you type anything, you better be ready to explain yourself, or you lose.
What I mean is, it's not the message that should disqualify you, it's the purpose to which it has been sent. If no purpose is justifiable by the player (only reasons allowed are technical problems, which are verifiable by camera as well as going inside the booth and checking out the thing), then the player better be ready to be disqualified.
The rule can be formally written as:
-Players may only type ingame for the purpose of giving up OR requesting a pause for technical difficulties with their machine. If the player has not given up, nor has any problems with the computer, he is disqualified.
The criteria where the referee has to judge is not on what has he typed, but why he did. Essentially, you type something, you get to talk with papa, and if you have nothing to say, then you're going to get spanked.
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Well, let's say I'm a Protoss player and I notice 3 tanks in the middle of the map all alone. However, they're not alone but behind them are a lot of tanks hidden. I go to snipe those tanks with my army, and just as I notice the other tanks, my screen goes black. The first thing I think isn't "Omg I gotta make sure to press P 3 times", it's "omg gotta pause asap or my army will melt".
In a situaion like this where tenths of seconds matter a great deal, I'd probably just mash "P" "about 3 times", letting them know about the game needing to be paused asap. If I even can remember the ppp rule in the heat of the moment, it takes too long to carefully type ppp like that, and even if the pause is then legal, my whole army will have already died.
In short, this rule sucks ass.
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click enter
hit p three times
hit enter.
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On April 29 2009 02:23 Yurebis wrote:
The rules should be modified to be more broad. Considering they banned chatting ingame, its obvious that whenever a player types something, there's either a problem or he's giving up. They should make it so that the referees have a call on which one it is, regardless of what the player types.
The way they have it set right now is basically an auto-ban feature where if the progamer presses enter -> any key sequence but "gg" or "ppp" -> enter, they're disqualified, which is utterly retarded. Are the referees so dumb that they can only identify those two codes?
How it should be: If the player types gg, ww, zizi yo or whatever other common "forfeiting" sentences, the referee assumes he's given up. If he types anything BUT these words, the referee pauses the game and goes check out why has he sent such message. If it's anything other than a technical problem, then the referee may disqualify him.
Point is, disqualification should be given only when the intent of the player was just messing around with the chat function for no reason (which in my opinion shouldn't be banned at all either, but whatever).
Get out of here with your reason and common sense!
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woah that's some fucked up shit man...he was the one with the technical difficulties but he still gets screwed over...WTF?!
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This calls for a threadnaught assault!
Too bad most of us dont have korean ID numbers.
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rule isn't that ridiculous. the problem is the harshness of the penalty. a warning was certainly enough not a fukn DQ
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On April 29 2009 03:09 AloneInDaBunker wrote:
rule isn't that ridiculous. the problem is the harshness of the penalty. a warning was certainly enough not a fukn DQ
He got a warning, after a DQ haha.. Kespa is seriously fucked..
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On April 29 2009 02:45 pubbanana wrote:
I guess no one recognizes the name Chang Seok Jun - he's Bassy, oldschool Zerg progamer who took down big names like Garimto, Boxer, NaDa, TheMarine, and Grrr in his prime. It's unfortunate that he did this to Leta.
I still don't know how you recall ancient details about obscure progamers in such detail.
But yeah, an ex-pro doing this seems... odd. You'd think he'd have some sympathy.
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pause pretty pretty please should be used imo.
pppp.
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On April 29 2009 03:27 Last Romantic wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 02:45 pubbanana wrote:
I guess no one recognizes the name Chang Seok Jun - he's Bassy, oldschool Zerg progamer who took down big names like Garimto, Boxer, NaDa, TheMarine, and Grrr in his prime. It's unfortunate that he did this to Leta. I still don't know how you recall ancient details about obscure progamers in such detail. But yeah, an ex-pro doing this seems... odd. You'd think he'd have some sympathy. Well, back in his day they only had one type of "gg" and they were happy with it. There wasn't none of this "zizi Yo" or pausing the game and only typing TWO "p"s. Kids these days.
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How hard can it be?
Type gg for defeat.
Type ppp for pause.
Does it matter if you accidently hit ggg? or just pp?
is it bad mannered or abusing the chat function?
answer is: No.
The rules were made to avoid confusion and unnecessary chat. This is going against why the rules were made...
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kespa is funny:D
hope for an official "sorry" though.
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Rule makers often have their heads lodged far up their asses.
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On April 29 2009 00:38 MasterReY wrote:Ok guys, i have to write a comment on this one now after i saw all this dumb comments in this thread and in the LR: "you can't know what ur typing when you don't see the monitor" ???? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? Sorry, i don't want to insult you, but such comments speak of a lack of intelligence. since when people type with a MONITOR???? You type with a KEYBOARD and ur FINGERS. Nothing else. 95% of the people don't even need EYES to type! They press the buttons on the KEYBOARD with their FINGERS. Even the 5% rest of the people don't need a MONITOR either because they use the EYES to see how often they press which buttons. The most "unskilled" writers can stare at their KEYBOARD and COUNT how often they press a button. still no MONITOR needed at all. To the people who say "spellcheck": .....omg. you know the average reaction time of a human is about 1 second? So do you really think leta types ONE LETTER PER SECOND???? Ofc you type faster than that and you cannot spellcheck every letter before you press the next button, which includes the ENTER BUTTON ! It's almost not possible to stop pressing the enter button when you realize you have pressed one "p" too much. The MONITOR DOESNT MATTER AT ALL !!!!! Thats why you often see "i go to shcool" "*school". Because the message is already sent when you realize you fucked up a word, if its the last word in a sentence. And in Leta's case it even was the last LETTER of his message ! Also i've read: Show nested quote +To think I use to think hockey refs made bad calls
At least they don't disqualify a team for asking for a timeout improperly
I don't understand these kespa rules they seem to only allow referees to get some screen time. Are dq's sexy in Korea? ....DUDE, WHY ARE YOU LYING????? KeSPA DIDN't DQ THE WHOLE TEAM !!!!!! JUST ONE PLAYER !!! I hate it SO MUCH when people fucking LIE and state WRONG INFO or stupid comments which all don't matter just to exaggerate a situation. Please stop that..... Also i just read: Show nested quote +On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note. This again fucks up all this stupid monitor comments, BUT don't even think about this point now. The reasons i mentioned above are 100% enough to clarify, why this monitor comments are stupid and useless. So i don't expect much constructive replies to this but IF you want to reply, DO NOT mention this last point like "oh ok it wasn't clear the monitor was just flickering, so thats why i posted that" because thats not the reason i posted this.
I agree with your point on typing without needing a monitor, you must do it, as it shows very clearly.
And im surprised no one brought up the point that after leta said "pp", the ref paused. When nothing should of happened / should have been instantly DQ'd. This means the ref knew what leta was requesting right?
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On April 28 2009 21:36 Diomedes wrote:
'pp' means 'pause please'. WTF is 'ppp'? Everyone always uses 'pp'.
They made a typing error setting up the rules?
Pause Pretty Please?
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what do the 2nd and 3rd p's stand for?
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are you fucking kidding me
kespaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!
and why did it have to happen to leta...
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OP should note that the referee was an exprogamer
EDIT: The "idiot" referee was probably in "panic" whether he would DQ him or not. Remember, it is his job. If he was reported of not enforcing a rule, he could get axed.
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On April 28 2009 22:50 ShloobeR wrote:
AS has been pointed out, I Don't know why the referee is getting flamed for doing his job.
Blame the organisation (which a lot of people are of course)
He's getting flamed for doing his job poorly.
The job of a referee is to enforce rules based on the situation and not blindly.
Screen flickered during a rather critical moment, Leta SLAMS on the "p" key but only gets 2 out and he gets DQ'd?
This is ridiculous and a ref actually doing his damn job would have realized this instantly. Everyone knows that rules can't possibly cover every situation, that's why you have ref's there to interpret them based on what just happened.
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Wow. Kal is my favourite player, but I'm not happy with wins like this
This is just stupid. Didn't they give any other explanation apart from "it was pp, not ppp"? I could imagine sth along the lines of pp being two identical letters, and so it may be confused with the variations of gg (for a split second)?
Eh, It's still just stupid.
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i agree that this article is very controversial, but if you look at the other way, it seems like KeSPA is trying very hard to make a "game" rule very strict and professional. i mean, come on, i know it's an online game, but it's now become a decade old "E-SPORTS" game, so we don't wanna see ppl typing out "zizi yO" "ㅈㅈ" such slangs and whatnot should be forbidden in professional games.
if typing ppp is the rule, the players should follow it.
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On April 29 2009 04:53 CapO wrote:
i agree that this article is very controversial, but if you look at the other way, it seems like KeSPA is trying very hard to make a "game" rule very strict and professional. i mean, come on, i know it's an online game, but it's now become a decade old "E-SPORTS" game, so we don't wanna see ppl typing out "zizi yO" "ㅈㅈ" such slangs and whatnot should be forbidden in professional games.
if typing ppp is the rule, the players should follow it.
I agree actually, tough shit for Leta yeah but if e-sports is ever gonna be more professional you need to follow the rules.
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On April 29 2009 04:56 Zoler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 04:53 CapO wrote:
i agree that this article is very controversial, but if you look at the other way, it seems like KeSPA is trying very hard to make a "game" rule very strict and professional. i mean, come on, i know it's an online game, but it's now become a decade old "E-SPORTS" game, so we don't wanna see ppl typing out "zizi yO" "ㅈㅈ" such slangs and whatnot should be forbidden in professional games.
if typing ppp is the rule, the players should follow it. I agree actually, tough shit for Leta yeah but if e-sports is ever gonna be more professional you need to follow the rules. More professional? What does that even mean?
This is a spectator sport. Things like "zizi yO" are just players putting their own style into things. There isn't anything wrong with that.
In this case, that isn't even the problem. Leta messed up when he was typing, and now KeSPA is acting like he actually did something wrong, issuing him a "warning". What's going to happen if he types "pppp" at some point? He's already been warned, so... he gets kicked out of the next OSL or something? It's just bullshit.
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lawl
Too bad everyone is so quiet and respectful in Korea, I'd have ripped the monitor out and thrown it at the referee.
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On April 29 2009 05:06 Zozma wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 04:56 Zoler wrote:On April 29 2009 04:53 CapO wrote:
i agree that this article is very controversial, but if you look at the other way, it seems like KeSPA is trying very hard to make a "game" rule very strict and professional. i mean, come on, i know it's an online game, but it's now become a decade old "E-SPORTS" game, so we don't wanna see ppl typing out "zizi yO" "ㅈㅈ" such slangs and whatnot should be forbidden in professional games.
if typing ppp is the rule, the players should follow it. I agree actually, tough shit for Leta yeah but if e-sports is ever gonna be more professional you need to follow the rules. More professional? What does that even mean? This is a spectator sport. Things like "zizi yO" are just players putting their own style into things. There isn't anything wrong with that. In this case, that isn't even the problem. Leta messed up when he was typing, and now KeSPA is acting like he actually did something wrong, issuing him a "warning". What's going to happen if he types "pppp" at some point? He's already been warned, so... he gets kicked out of the next OSL or something? It's just bullshit.
yup, instead of tapping twice in a wrestling mu or w/e, you could do a break dance and call it ur own style of gg.
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I get the idea of making the e-sports more professional, but why not two pp's? For progamers, I think typing p twice is alot easier and is very similar to typing gg. I'm thinking somebody will type ggg sometime and then be disqualifed for that.
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If they want to be anal-strict about it, then they should have disqualified Backho's zizi yo. Otherwise, there is contradiction.
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i seriously don't get wtf is wrong with PP?
does it make a difference with PPP?! make world go around and global warming stop and pig fly everywhere?
clearly he cannot see his monitor clearly and he wanna pause asap because he is in a middle of a push. rofl kespa suck an octopus please
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On April 29 2009 05:32 usopsama wrote:
If they want to be anal-strict about it, then they should have disqualified Backho's zizi yo. Otherwise, there is contradiction.
only gg's been allowed since backho's incident of zizi yo
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On April 29 2009 05:32 il0seonpurpose wrote:
I get the idea of making the e-sports more professional, but why not two pp's? For progamers, I think typing p twice is alot easier and is very similar to typing gg. I'm thinking somebody will type ggg sometime and then be disqualifed for that.
hey, it's really not had to say ppp or gg. following these rules should be no problem for even elementary school kids. Kespa wants to keep things strict, so they seem more professional than easily forgiving those who break the rules.
i do agree that it'd be much easier if it was pp than ppp
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PP = Pause Please; PPP = Please Please Pause? wtf... Completely uncalled for imo...
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On April 29 2009 05:31 CapO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 05:06 Zozma wrote:On April 29 2009 04:56 Zoler wrote:On April 29 2009 04:53 CapO wrote:
i agree that this article is very controversial, but if you look at the other way, it seems like KeSPA is trying very hard to make a "game" rule very strict and professional. i mean, come on, i know it's an online game, but it's now become a decade old "E-SPORTS" game, so we don't wanna see ppl typing out "zizi yO" "ㅈㅈ" such slangs and whatnot should be forbidden in professional games.
if typing ppp is the rule, the players should follow it. I agree actually, tough shit for  Leta yeah but if e-sports is  Ever gonna be more professional you need to follow the rules. More professional? What does that even mean? This is a spectator sport. Things like "zizi yO" are just players putting their own  Style into things. There isn't anything wrong with that. In this case, that isn't even the problem. Leta messed up when he was typing, and now KeSPA is acting like he actually did something wrong, issuing him a "warning". What's going to happen if he types "pppp" at some Point? He's already been warned, so... he gets kicked out of the next OSL or something? It's just bullshit. yup, instead of tapping twice in a wrestling mu or w/e, you could do a break dance and call it ur own Style of gg. Breakdance? Seriously, though. There is no parallel to be drawn between gg yo and doing some sort of idiotic dance or whatever. Adding the "yO" is actually a sign of respect. So you don't really have a point here.
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Y not just type out pause?
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On April 29 2009 04:53 CapO wrote:
i agree that this article is very controversial, but if you look at the other way, it seems like KeSPA is trying very hard to make a "game" rule very strict and professional. i mean, come on, i know it's an online game, but it's now become a decade old "E-SPORTS" game, so we don't wanna see ppl typing out "zizi yO" "ㅈㅈ" such slangs and whatnot should be forbidden in professional games.
if typing ppp is the rule, the players should follow it.
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What you type to end the game has absolutely NOTHING to do with creating a professional sport
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Stupid rules are stupid.
Progamers should mass protest by typing zizi yo and pp until they either dq every progamer or change their retarded policies. OR they could do a regular strike like they did once before (I dont remember why or what came of it, IIRC it was for an increase in wages).
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its just like the shirt rule in soccer from the FIFA.
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is this a joke? someone please tell me its a joke. Kespa CANNOT be that retarded. jesus fuckin christ -_-
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Rules are rules. I don't know why no one is blaming Leta for not knowing the rules of the game he's playing. He's a professional. These rule updates are a few months old now, he should know them, especially after they've given warning for improper GGs recently.
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On April 29 2009 04:26 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2009 22:50 ShloobeR wrote:
AS has been pointed out, I Don't know why the referee is getting flamed for doing his job.
Blame the organisation (which a lot of people are of course) He's getting flamed for doing his job poorly. The job of a referee is to enforce rules based on the situation and not blindly. Screen flickered during a rather critical moment, Leta SLAMS on the "p" key but only gets 2 out and he gets DQ'd? This is ridiculous and a ref actually doing his damn job would have realized this instantly. Everyone knows that rules can't possibly cover every situation, that's why you have ref's there to interpret them based on what just happened.
Don't blame the referee, blame KeSPA for making the rule. He's doing his job well, he's just forced to enforce a shitty rule.
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On April 29 2009 06:26 sixghost wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 04:26 Jayme wrote:On April 28 2009 22:50 ShloobeR wrote:
AS has been pointed out, I Don't know why the referee is getting flamed for doing his job.
Blame the organisation (which a lot of people are of course) He's getting flamed for doing his job poorly. The job of a referee is to enforce rules based on the situation and not blindly. Screen flickered during a rather critical moment, Leta SLAMS on the "p" key but only gets 2 out and he gets DQ'd? This is ridiculous and a ref actually doing his damn job would have realized this instantly. Everyone knows that rules can't possibly cover every situation, that's why you have ref's there to interpret them based on what just happened. Don't blame the referee, blame KeSPA for making the rule. He's doing his job well, he's just forced to enforce a shitty rule.
He's not forced to enforce anything. Part of the job of being a referee is using ones own judgement to decide the outcome in a situation. There is absolutely no proof that Leta didn't intend to type ppp but instead only got pp out. If you honestly think he should lose a proleague game for that then you're seriously fucked up man. Take a step back and look at what you're saying.
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On April 29 2009 06:26 Scooge wrote:
Rules are rules. I don't know why no one is blaming Leta for not knowing the rules of the game he's playing. He's a professional. These rule updates are a few months old now, he should know them, especially after they've given warning for improper GGs recently.
Because not knowing the rules and hitting p two times instead of three when you can't see what you're typing are the same thing?
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On April 29 2009 05:06 Zozma wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 04:56 Zoler wrote:On April 29 2009 04:53 CapO wrote:
i agree that this article is very controversial, but if you look at the other way, it seems like KeSPA is trying very hard to make a "game" rule very strict and professional. i mean, come on, i know it's an online game, but it's now become a decade old "E-SPORTS" game, so we don't wanna see ppl typing out "zizi yO" "ㅈㅈ" such slangs and whatnot should be forbidden in professional games.
if typing ppp is the rule, the players should follow it. I agree actually, tough shit for Leta yeah but if e-sports is ever gonna be more professional you need to follow the rules. More professional? What does that even mean? This is a spectator sport. Things like "zizi yO" are just players putting their own style into things. There isn't anything wrong with that. In this case, that isn't even the problem. Leta messed up when he was typing, and now KeSPA is acting like he actually did something wrong, issuing him a "warning". What's going to happen if he types "pppp" at some point? He's already been warned, so... he gets kicked out of the next OSL or something? It's just bullshit.
Yeah, lets stop soccer teams from getting excited or doing a victory dance when they get a goal; or a player after he scores a touch down. If he throws the ball down that's instant loss of game and red card to player.
EDIT: Directed at Capo, I believe
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lol ur using a ceremony to say that it's basically the same thing as saying zizi yo that is very decisive of the game result?
seriously, i don't wanna see a player type out : GoOd GaMe YOO GG NO RE OMG GG
shut up with the style and shit. i'm not gonna post in this thread anymore. it's getting stupider.
keep it: GG or gg. simple. more pro like.
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why in the world is a "sport" that has screaming teenaged girls and gamer boys as its audience have more etiquette rules than golf and tennis combined? seriously, this is a joke. i've always appreciated in how kespa did enforce manner rules, but having an unintentional action cost someone a game and consequently the match is going way too far.
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On April 29 2009 05:40 CapO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 05:32 il0seonpurpose wrote:
I get the idea of making the e-sports more professional, but why not two pp's? For progamers, I think typing p twice is alot easier and is very similar to typing gg. I'm thinking somebody will type ggg sometime and then be disqualifed for that. hey, it's really not had to say ppp or gg. following these rules should be no problem for even elementary school kids. Kespa wants to keep things strict, so they seem more professional than easily forgiving those who break the rules. i do agree that it'd be much easier if it was pp than ppp
It's not that hard to use proper capitalization too. TL should insta-ban people that don't capitalize properly or make one typo.
Of course it's easy to type "ppp." I'm sure Leta knows the rule. I'm sure Leta is fully capable of typing "ppp." The issue is that they are disqualifying players for making a typing mistake in the heat of the moment. Yes, pros make mistakes too.
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I think that the rule is ok. It eliminates some BM and random stuff people could type in game, which we all agree, is good.
But it shouldn't penalize a simple typo or another pause request form made under heavy pressure. And that is why you have refferees to judge the situation. Points like "if they let a "pp" go instead of "ppp" then they also will have to let stuff "pause bitch, yo" go" don't make sense for obvious reasons. If you argue that the rules will be more ambigious and it will depend on the refs decission, it is clear from this situation that a decision making ref (even a bad one) is better than one who just blindly reads rules of a booklet.
don't look at the rules as some computer code where you could find expliots, but more as general guidelines.
With that being said I join the majority and say that the ref was a blind, stupid robot.
Also note that I have no idea whether the refs are instructed by KeSPA to judge the situation and act accordingly or that they have to blindly obey the rules without any flexibility, which would take any responsibility away from the ref and make him redundant, which again suggests this is not the case.
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To those that still don't get the idea:
On April 28 2009 23:49 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2009 23:46 niteReloaded wrote:
Next: "p sexsexpussy hair pause kk thx"
Tell me any progamer who think will type that while playing live. Progamers have common sense, they know where to draw the line, and they've been using pp/ppp since 'referees' got into the progaming scene. Sure, enforce the rule if you want to. But don't give him a fucking disqualification. Do you give a child the death penalty for stealing some candy? KeSPA needs to learn how to give appropriate punishments.
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On April 29 2009 04:53 CapO wrote:
i agree that this article is very controversial, but if you look at the other way, it seems like KeSPA is trying very hard to make a "game" rule very strict and professional. i mean, come on, i know it's an online game, but it's now become a decade old "E-SPORTS" game, so we don't wanna see ppl typing out "zizi yO" "ㅈㅈ" such slangs and whatnot should be forbidden in professional games.
if typing ppp is the rule, the players should follow it.
Uh what?
I understand some rules you know, like map hacks.
What starcraft seems to be lacking right now though is it's own personality. KeSPA is slowly but surely culling everything unique between players starting with chats, then ceremonies, and then this zizi yO nonsense.
Give me a break, there is a big difference between looking professional and then forcing everyone to act the freaking exact same way. It's boring and stale.
That being said it is also up to the player to be professional an I think they have the common sense not to go too far like some absurd "phavesexwithmepausepleasepp" Come on now. This what if nonsense is ridiculous and a horrible argument.
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it's really hard to compare the difference between pp and ppp with gg and ㅈㅈ or whatever. There's absolutely no excuse for the disqualification, especially if it was due to a hardware malfunction. Rules are rules so that they can improve the quality of the games, not ruin them.
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On April 29 2009 06:40 CapO wrote:
lol ur using a ceremony to say that it's basically the same thing as saying zizi yo that is very decisive of the game result?
seriously, i don't wanna see a player type out : GoOd GaMe YOO GG NO RE OMG GG
shut up with the style and shit. i'm not gonna post in this thread anymore. it's getting stupider.
keep it: GG or gg. simple. more pro like.
Typing gg only ever in the simplest most straight-forward way possible isn't professional it's just stale. Being bm is unprofessional. If some progamer was to use your example of how one could type gg, and demonstrate himself to be an idiot, well then that might be an indicator that he doesn't take his job that seriously and so isn't very professional, or maybe just that he has a very poor sense of style; in either case that's one progamer who resigns in an idiotic fashion and starcraft fans could simply choose to dislike him. Overall i see nothing wrong with this scenario. It's better to promote free expression.
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On April 29 2009 06:40 CapO wrote:
lol ur using a ceremony to say that it's basically the same thing as saying zizi yo that is very decisive of the game result?
seriously, i don't wanna see a player type out : GoOd GaMe YOO GG NO RE OMG GG
shut up with the style and shit. i'm not gonna post in this thread anymore. it's getting stupider.
keep it: GG or gg. simple. more pro like. Wait... what?
I would argue with you, but I don't know exactly what you're saying.
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This is utterly retarded. In order to create a true spectator sport, there needs to be showmanship, personalitities and even extravagant actions in order to create drama for the fans. Boring, monotonic 'sports' or 'games' are not interesting and will not help with getting e-sports more mainstream. This should be given for - just look at sports scene. Half, if not more, about sports discussion is apart from the game itself but about personalities and acts.
Could a Korean, or somebody with good enough knowledge of Korean culture enlighten us about the strictness regarding the rules in there? I know that the culture is very hierarchical and quite strict regarding traditions and elders, but isn't this taking it too far even in Korean standards? I'm quite baffled here, as I can't see anything but immense cultural differences causing this. The ruling is absurd.
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Kespa are a bunch of retards. I mea, everybody should know that already. Sad they have a monopoly over Korean e-sports.
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Poor Leta
At least I don't have it in my fantasy team
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Referees need to make judgement calls. I don't know if it's their own lack of ability to do so or kespa's fault for encouraging them not to exercise those abilities. You can't just issue a forfeit every time someone breaks a rule, no matter how small the rule or accidental the occurence. A good referee should know when to use his head and issue a warning.
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WTF is this shit, honestly, Kespa needs to tone down their obnoxious posturing. I don't give a shit whether some guy types "zizi yO/ww" or types one "p" too little or too much. IT JUST DOESNT MATTER.
Sure, Backho typed zizi yO before an opponent's forfeit, but come on, all you need to do is say, "Here's a warning Backho, just don't type "gg" before your opponents, ok?" I mean, when has that incident ever happened in progaming? What, once or twice? Don't punish progamers for an isolated incident. That's not fair. That's not right.
The "p" thing is also absolutely ludicrous. Kespa surely is smoking something crazy because there is no way there is any possible difference between a "ppp" or a "pp" or a "pppp" or whatever, they all mean the same thing, "I need a timeout." I don't get how you could possibly slap someone with a DQ because of that. Whatever rule that comes from needs to be deleted. Immediately. It is not fair for a player who is simply requesting for a pause to rectify a potential unfair advantage to be penalized/disqualified for their actions. That's the equivalent of being fired from a job for pointing out an error/hazard to your boss. It makes no sense, tear that rule down, burn it.
If that DQ costs Hite a potential game and consequently, a potential playoff spot...
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Vatican City State1176 Posts
they should change the pause sign from "ppp" to
"dear referee, could you please be so kind to stop the game, because I cannot play on for some blalbblalbalblablalblablalblalbalblablablalbalblablalbalblalbalblablalb alblalbalblablalb albajlbalblbalalblablalblablalblalbalblablablalbalblablalbalblalbalblablalb alblalbalblablalb albajlbalblbal
blalbalblablalblablalblalbalblablablalbalblablalbalblalbalblablalb alblalbalblablalb albajlbalblbal
blalbalblablalblablalblalbalblablablalbalblablalbalblalbalblablalb alblalbalblablalb albajlbalblbal
.....and that's why I request to pause the game
sincerely *insert progamers name*"
if the players cannot come up with a 800 word text, while playing, why they want a pause, they shouldn't get it
ffs they are pros
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lol kespa are retards once again. im not too surprised to be honest.
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this is kinda ridiculous
look, it old message was pp.
these progamers type at like 24235234234 wpm
WHY THE HELL DO U DISQUALIFY SOMEONE FOR TYPING PP INSTEAD OF PPP?
Thats like saying if ur playing basketball and they changed the rule so u can only take 1 step instead of 2 and if u take two steps by ACCIDENT you get a fucking technical?
Get with the program KeSPA, I DEMAND A REMATCH!
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On April 29 2009 06:32 StarBrift wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 06:26 sixghost wrote:On April 29 2009 04:26 Jayme wrote:On April 28 2009 22:50 ShloobeR wrote:
AS has been pointed out, I Don't know why the referee is getting flamed for doing his job.
Blame the organisation (which a lot of people are of course) He's getting flamed for doing his job poorly. The job of a referee is to enforce rules based on the situation and not blindly. Screen flickered during a rather critical moment, Leta SLAMS on the "p" key but only gets 2 out and he gets DQ'd? This is ridiculous and a ref actually doing his damn job would have realized this instantly. Everyone knows that rules can't possibly cover every situation, that's why you have ref's there to interpret them based on what just happened. Don't blame the referee, blame KeSPA for making the rule. He's doing his job well, he's just forced to enforce a shitty rule. He's not forced to enforce anything. Part of the job of being a referee is using ones own judgement to decide the outcome in a situation. There is absolutely no proof that Leta didn't intend to type ppp but instead only got pp out. If you honestly think he should lose a proleague game for that then you're seriously fucked up man. Take a step back and look at what you're saying.
It's not his job to use his judgement when the rule is specifically written as to what's illegal. If KeSPA wanted this rule to be less strict, they would have worded as such.
And stop putting words in my mouth. Nowhere did I say the rule wasn't retarded. Of course Leta shouldn't have been DQ'd for that, all I said was it's not the ref's fault and people should stop blaming him. It's the people at KeSPA's fault who grossly overreacted to the backho incident.
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Although this sucks by all means possible... rules are rules.
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Utter bullshit. I don't see how anyone can defend KeSPA just because they are following their rules.
This just in: The rule is 100% retarded.
Imagine a game in the NBA, and a player calls for a time-out, but when he makes a "T" with his hands, he puts his left hand on top instead of his right. The rule stands, that when calling timeouts, a player must make a "T" with their hands, and the right hand must be on top. As such, he broke the rules and his team is DQed. It's hard to think of a more minuscule, insignificant issue to DQ somebody for.
BackHo's offensive gg? ForGG's scv/mineral glitching? KeSPA lets those slide but disqualifies Leta?
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^ Actually it was BackHo's ziziyo that caused this stupid rules.
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NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
I actually know the referee in question - he's one of the nicest guys on the Kespa staff I've met since I've been here (he once accompanied me home on the subway after a finals to make sure I was safe.) I do feel that by enforcing these rules so strictly Kespa might just be shooting it's public image in the foot though. Netizens in Korea have really strong opinions (although this might change if internet anonymity keeps on being reduced as it seems to be doing here recently.) and the Sparkyz fans (along with those of MBC Heroes after the Ruby incident.) are liable to make their feelings known in a very public manner.
It seems a shame (imho) when steps were being made to make the events more fun and accessible to a wider audience (fan friendly things like Bunkie and Shogun etc.) other rules (toned down ceremonies and harsher enforcement for missed keystrokes etc.) are just taking the enjoyment out of the events and making them way more serious than they really should be. I'm wondering if we'll even get to see such hilarious and creative events as Rival Battle Break this year due to all these more stringent guidelines and the retirement/reticence to be out-going any more of some of the players who made the events their most colorful and enjoyable.
Sometimes (despite only having been on the scene for a year.) I have to admit to saying to people; 'I miss the old days.'
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Players should organize a protest by typing zizi yo or some other thing in every game upcoming, they can't DQ everyone.
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Are you fucking kidding me? That has got to be one of the most retarded decisions ever. I mean in my opinion they should allow trash talking and in-game chat since it would add personality to the players and would make things more interesting.
However, that point aside, DQ'ing him for typing "pp" instead of "ppp" sounds like a joke. In fact.... it's still April, maybe this is KeSPA's idea of a joke! Wtf can "ppp" stand for anyway?
Pause Pretty Please
Please Please Pause
Please Postphone Playing
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KeSPA doesn't even recognize GOM and this incident is more reason to think KeSPA is a joke to the sport.
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On April 29 2009 08:05 NeverGG wrote:
I actually know the referee in question - he's one of the nicest guys on the Kespa staff I've met since I've been here (he once accompanied me home on the subway after a finals to make sure I was safe.) I do feel that by enforcing these rules so strictly Kespa might just be shooting it's public image in the foot though. Netizens in Korea have really strong opinions (although this might change if internet anonymity keeps on being reduced as it seems to be doing here recently.) and the Sparkyz fans (along with those of MBC Heroes after the Ruby incident.) are liable to make their feelings known in a very public manner.
It seems a shame (imho) when steps were being made to make the events more fun and accessible to a wider audience (fan friendly things like Bunkie and Shogun etc.) other rules (toned down ceremonies and harsher enforcement for missed keystrokes etc.) are just taking the enjoyment out of the events and making them way more serious than they really should be. I'm wondering if we'll even get to see such hilarious and creative events as Rival Battle Break this year due to all these more stringent guidelines and the retirement/reticence to be out-going any more of some of the players who made the events their most colorful and enjoyable.
Sometimes (despite only having been on the scene for a year.) I have to admit to saying to people; 'I miss the old days.'
That's amazing, Bassy rode the subway home with you. I wish I lived in Korea. 
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Wow how retarded is that. :/ KeSPA bringing a mind-fuck once again.
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This is absolutely ridiculous.
I don't even think people should rationalize about him maybe not him being able to see the screen, come on guys
The fact is Kespa is full of crap. And teams are way too effin modest. They need to step up their pride a little bit. They practice all effing day to play in a very high level match. The point is alot of things. One to express skill, Two its for the fans and families enjoyment, and three its for their pride in doing something really quite incredible.
For once I want to see a proleague match where some real intensity happens between the people. Theirs no staredowns like their is in MMA.
Like remember the Brazillian top team and ChuteBoxe rivalry in Pride FC? Those guys are ready to cut each others throats after some fights, or ref stoppages when one guy is on the floor getting soccer kicked. Of course that won't happen in E-sports for many reasons, and probably wouldn't exactly appeal to audiences.
But I think its about time Pro Teams take some action against KeSpa in protesting ON THE SPOT, or during press conferences or whatever. These kinds of games SHOULD go on, especially for someone of Leta's skill. Sure they play thousands of games, but we want to actually WATCH them.
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Oov in disguise.
...
Actually, oov is too fucking cool to do that. D:
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What exactly is Kespa anyways? are they an individual/independant organisation? who funds them and why do they have such an authority over gaming industry? its like they're the feudal lords of korean e-sports, anyone got any ideas how Kespa came to be and how exactly do they function?
Cause really, they're getting more and more ridiculous, and i just got in the starcraft scene for just a few months to know enough about wth they did...
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
What I don't get is.. what do you have to do in order to get a warning instead of a DQ if typing pp results in DQ? Do you have to type in like 2.9 Ps or something? like what the hell
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
Fuck that retard if I ever meet him he's getting a soju bottle to the face.
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Wow. Basically agreeing with 99.99% of everyone else, this is fucking retarded:
- He obviously didn't intend to type 'pp'.
- KeSPA is fucking stupid for making such a rule.
- the 'GG/gg' rule is equally as stupid. I don't think they should force you to say anything or make ti so you can't say anything else. Ex. That toss player(can't recall his name or any other info) who did a proxy but his zealot spawned on the wrong side of the gateway that he wanted and rendered his rush useless basically. Sure I would admit I lost, and that it is my own fault for not having testing that proxy location before but ffs I wouldn't say 'gg'. Do people even know what 'gg' means? Good game? How is that a good game? More like 'epic fail' then alt+q+q.
- KeSPA ref did his job I guess, so I understand not flaming him, but fucking KeSPA, ERGGG.
- It was obvious that he isn't using the screen thing as an excuse. His screen obviously fucked up.
God dammit, this ruins my day a little. Respect for KeSPA just dropped enormously.
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This isn't surprising to me though... especially older Korean men expect the younger people to do everything correctly. My first job ever was at a Mail Boxes Etc. owned by this Korean guy and he expected me to pick up the job instantly (like after the 2nd time) after just working one day a week. The guy fired me and I swear to God he did nothing to make my job easier (or even train me properly). Reminds me of typical Korean parents, especially those who just immigrated to the States.
Mom / Dad: "You have to get all A in every class"
Child: " It's gonna be hard at least in english, we can't even speak it yet"
Mom / Dad: "No A or I'll beat you up real hard"
Child: "Ok..."
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The PP and "gg yo" etc are phrases that are buried very deep in the players minds, especially the gg phrases. They have played thousands of practice games saying it, and it comes automatically. For me, the hotkey to leave a game is almost enter-gg-enter-alt-q-q. If typing gg was banned, I would still do alot of mistakes. Besides, when the monitor breaks down (or whatever happened to leta), you don't take time to think over what to write to the referee. Every millisecond is valuable, so just type away as fast as possible.
Heck, since "pp" isn't a real request to pause according to KESPA, why did the referee pause the game? He should be fired for pausing when the players didn't request it! Damn game breaking referee.
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On April 29 2009 09:14 Bob123 wrote:The PP and "gg yo" etc are phrases that are buried very deep in the players minds, especially the gg phrases. They have played thousands of practice games saying it, and it comes automatically. For me, the hotkey to leave a game is almost enter-gg-enter-alt-q-q. If typing gg was banned, I would still do alot of mistakes. Besides, when the monitor breaks down (or whatever happened to leta), you don't take time to think over what to write to the referee. Every millisecond is valuable, so just type away as fast as possible. Heck, since "pp" isn't a real request to pause according to KESPA, why did the referee pause the game? He should be fired for pausing when the players didn't request it! Damn game breaking referee.
But then if the ref didn't call that his job would probably be on the line so...
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On April 29 2009 09:16 MorningMusume11 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 09:14 Bob123 wrote:The PP and "gg yo" etc are phrases that are buried very deep in the players minds, especially the gg phrases. They have played thousands of practice games saying it, and it comes automatically. For me, the hotkey to leave a game is almost enter-gg-enter-alt-q-q. If typing gg was banned, I would still do alot of mistakes. Besides, when the monitor breaks down (or whatever happened to leta), you don't take time to think over what to write to the referee. Every millisecond is valuable, so just type away as fast as possible. Heck, since "pp" isn't a real request to pause according to KESPA, why did the referee pause the game? He should be fired for pausing when the players didn't request it! Damn game breaking referee. But then if the ref didn't call that his job would probably be on the line so...
Yea but if you wanna be a rules lawyer you could see it the other way around, he paused a game that shouldn't be paused, right?
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1187 Posts
On April 29 2009 09:23 Bob123 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 09:16 MorningMusume11 wrote:On April 29 2009 09:14 Bob123 wrote:The PP and "gg yo" etc are phrases that are buried very deep in the players minds, especially the gg phrases. They have played thousands of practice games saying it, and it comes automatically. For me, the hotkey to leave a game is almost enter-gg-enter-alt-q-q. If typing gg was banned, I would still do alot of mistakes. Besides, when the monitor breaks down (or whatever happened to leta), you don't take time to think over what to write to the referee. Every millisecond is valuable, so just type away as fast as possible. Heck, since "pp" isn't a real request to pause according to KESPA, why did the referee pause the game? He should be fired for pausing when the players didn't request it! Damn game breaking referee. But then if the ref didn't call that his job would probably be on the line so... Yea but if you wanna be a rules lawyer you could see it the other way around, he paused a game that shouldn't be paused, right?
Referees are allowed to pause games at their own volition. Like when a game looks like it's heading to a draw, or when T's are playing like retards and wasting battlecruiser fuel instead of actually attacking.
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To be honest I think it was a good thing this happened. Although I'm probably not as deeply informed as some of you are, from my observations Kespa has been slowly constricting the e-sport and generally not being beneficial. If everything happened gradually, as it has up until now, it wouldn't provoke such a reaction, but an outrageous incident like this will hopefully cause enough backlash that there will be a change in direction.
If they want SC to become even more successful, observe other spectator sports. While there is some sense in "professionalism", whatever that means, often times drama and such does wonders to boost interest in a sport. Even seeing some emotion/celebration from players can increase appeal by a lot; the audience can appreciate that the effort they put in paid off.
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On April 29 2009 09:43 Zona wrote:
To be honest I think it was a good thing this happened. Although I'm probably not as deeply informed as some of you are, from my observations Kespa has been slowly constricting the e-sport and generally not being beneficial. If everything happened gradually, as it has up until now, it wouldn't provoke such a reaction, but an outrageous incident like this will hopefully cause enough backlash that there will be a change in direction.
If they want SC to become even more successful, observe other spectator sports. While there is some sense in "professionalism", whatever that means, often times drama and such does wonders to boost interest in a sport. Even seeing some emotion/celebration from players can increase appeal by a lot; the audience can appreciate that the effort they put in paid off.
Yeah some players don't even crack a smile when they win. If I was a player finally in individual tournaments, I would be joyful.
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On April 29 2009 09:43 Zona wrote:
To be honest I think it was a good thing this happened. Although I'm probably not as deeply informed as some of you are, from my observations Kespa has been slowly constricting the e-sport and generally not being beneficial. If everything happened gradually, as it has up until now, it wouldn't provoke such a reaction, but an outrageous incident like this will hopefully cause enough backlash that there will be a change in direction.
If they want SC to become even more successful, observe other spectator sports. While there is some sense in "professionalism", whatever that means, often times drama and such does wonders to boost interest in a sport. Even seeing some emotion/celebration from players can increase appeal by a lot; the audience can appreciate that the effort they put in paid off.
This basically sums up my thoughts. Nice one
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What did the MBC commentator say about this?
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god I type "g" sometimes instead of gg on accident.
This is like dqing a team in basketball for not making a perfect T with their hands to call a timeout
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I've always hated Kespa and their bullshit.
They're probably bought and payed for by samsung anyway, fucking retards.
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On April 29 2009 00:38 MasterReY wrote:Ok guys, i have to write a comment on this one now after i saw all this dumb comments in this thread and in the LR: "you can't know what ur typing when you don't see the monitor" ???? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? Sorry, i don't want to insult you, but such comments speak of a lack of intelligence. since when people type with a MONITOR???? You type with a KEYBOARD and ur FINGERS. Nothing else. 95% of the people don't even need EYES to type! They press the buttons on the KEYBOARD with their FINGERS. Even the 5% rest of the people don't need a MONITOR either because they use the EYES to see how often they press which buttons. The most "unskilled" writers can stare at their KEYBOARD and COUNT how often they press a button. still no MONITOR needed at all. To the people who say "spellcheck": .....omg. you know the average reaction time of a human is about 1 second? So do you really think leta types ONE LETTER PER SECOND???? Ofc you type faster than that and you cannot spellcheck every letter before you press the next button, which includes the ENTER BUTTON ! It's almost not possible to stop pressing the enter button when you realize you have pressed one "p" too much. The MONITOR DOESNT MATTER AT ALL !!!!! Thats why you often see "i go to shcool" "*school". Because the message is already sent when you realize you fucked up a word, if its the last word in a sentence. And in Leta's case it even was the last LETTER of his message ! Also i've read: Show nested quote +To think I use to think hockey refs made bad calls
At least they don't disqualify a team for asking for a timeout improperly
I don't understand these kespa rules they seem to only allow referees to get some screen time. Are dq's sexy in Korea? ....DUDE, WHY ARE YOU LYING????? KeSPA DIDN't DQ THE WHOLE TEAM !!!!!! JUST ONE PLAYER !!! I hate it SO MUCH when people fucking LIE and state WRONG INFO or stupid comments which all don't matter just to exaggerate a situation. Please stop that..... Also i just read: Show nested quote +On April 28 2009 21:50 Carnac wrote:
Assuming the translation is accurate they just say it wasn't displaying visuals clearly and not that he wasn't able to see anything, so it must have been blurry or flickering or w/e. He must still have seen what he typed. I'm not saying it isn't stupid to DQ him, but it's still important to note. This again fucks up all this stupid monitor comments, BUT don't even think about this point now. The reasons i mentioned above are 100% enough to clarify, why this monitor comments are stupid and useless. So i don't expect much constructive replies to this but IF you want to reply, DO NOT mention this last point like "oh ok it wasn't clear the monitor was just flickering, so thats why i posted that" because thats not the reason i posted this.
Wow, you make an idiot of yourself there. Good job.
I think this is just idiotic. Its a single missing letter. Goddammit KeSPA, why wont you just die and cepljenje karanje gore pro sc.
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man kespa sucks balls
this shouldn't even be a real issue
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Dear MasterRey,
Please stop posting. That post was fucking garbage, and i do not wish to read it again.
Thank you.
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Kespa is a brain damaged organization. They can't even use common sense.
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There are rules and there are the spirit of the rules. Is the spirit of the rules to kill starcraft as a sport. The purpose of rules is not to empower the referee to be a dickhead or enforce the rules for sake of the rules. It's not like he typed something to derail the proces or confuse anyone, he made a typo. The application of this rule wasn't in anyones interest. The referee did the right thing to save his job he cannot be blamed. He probably knew resuming the game was the right thing to do but he was bound by his profession.
It is unfortunate and Kespa has to re-evaluate their rules. These rules miss their intended purpuse of fair play and common sence..
The rules have to chance but also have to be concise so the interpretation cannot be questioned.
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next thing u know they will get disqualified for typing "PPP" or "pPP" instead of "ppp"
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wow.... seriously Kespa has lost all respect.
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joke of the season - well done Kespa
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On April 29 2009 11:33 Asianic wrote:
joke of the season - well done Kespa
And its not even april fools anymore... YOU MISSED IT BY A MONTH THERE RETARDS.
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On April 29 2009 08:44 Rekrul wrote:
Fuck that retard if I ever meet him he's getting a soju bottle to the face.
Hahaha!
Do it.
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imagine someone typing only g after losing and gets disqualified.
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So backho can "zizi yO" before the opponent ggs but leta cant forget a p. I know the rule wasnt in place then but still thats just retarded.
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On April 29 2009 11:45 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
imagine someone typing only g after losing and gets disqualified.
since that person would have already lost, then it might only be a warning. but in a BoX, that might be a problem. It would ruin a Bo5 finals.
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On April 29 2009 11:52 29 fps wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 11:45 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
imagine someone typing only g after losing and gets disqualified. since that person would have already lost, then it might only be a warning. but in a BoX, that might be a problem. It would ruin a Bo5 finals.
Yeah imagine game 5 of an OSL finals and someones monitor is acting up and they only type "pp" this rule is just insane.
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
Ugh, and I thought Ra's was retarded... jesus christ...
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As retarded as it sounds its absolutely adjusted to the rules. However next time choose another way to ask for a pause: Maybe swinging your arms and screaming a secret code? Or asking for pause with buildings.
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The rule is stupid, kespa is indefensible in this case. And the couple of you with the "slippery slope" argument have to realize the absurdity of your contention. Progamers aren't going to start typing out by saying, "bad game you idiot, fuck your mother."
Idra says gg during televised games. If he does it, anyone can. It has nothing to do with being professional, or preventing things like my above example. Idra is not going to say "you really are a terrible player" in a televised game.
The rule has no purpose, makes no one better off, obstructs normal procession of games, and makes things non-fun to fans.
Would they ban Chalrenge for hiding pylons? Probably not, at least I haven't heard a rule about it. And that's extremely unprofessional, but also mildly entertaining.
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While it is a rule, the ref has a responsibility to apply it properly in each individual situation, and that certainly wasn't handled correctly.
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Yeah, the thing is that it's in a progamer's best interest to declare "gg" or ask for a pause in a mannered way. That's why putting a restriction and punishments on the things they can say is useless: The fans thinking you're a jerk is punishment enough.
A question: Have the typing rules ever been enforced in a case where it wasn't an honest mistake?
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On April 29 2009 10:57 KaasZerg wrote:
Is the spirit of the rules to kill starcraft as a sport.
This is a BS rule, and the ref willingly enforced it. It was bad by all accounts.
However, this is a far cry from anything even remotely like killing StarCraft as a sport. Do you think Leta is going to stop playing because of this? Hell no; he'll be right there in the next game, doing his thing. And why should Bisu, Jaedong, or whomever else stop playing because of this?
It is bad and certainly should be complained about and rectified. But let's not blow this out of proportion. Rigidly enforced arbitrary rules are not going to kill StarCraft as a sport.
BTW, for those who say that the Ref shouldn't enforce the rule, that he should look to the spirit of the rules rather than the letter... no. You don't want to go down that road.
The letter of rules is all we really have. It is objectively measurable and quantifiable. Once you start loosening the rules, then you get stuff like what happens in most sports. One ref calls things "loose", and another calls them "tight". If you use some illegal exploit, but don't seem to gain any advantage by doing it, you should still get hit with the DQ. It doesn't matter whether you did anything with it or not; you used the illegal exploit, you get DQ'd. If you start having subjective calls from refs, then you can get into situations where a ref has to judge whether an illegal exploit actually did anything in the match. Some refs may call it one way, others may call it another.
StarCraft, being a videogame, calls all of its internal rules properly: rigidly and objectively (outside of genuine bugs and hacks). StarCraft referees likewise should do the same.
The problem in this instance is that the rule is crap, not the people enforcing the rules.
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On April 29 2009 13:14 NicolBolas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 10:57 KaasZerg wrote:
Is the spirit of the rules to kill starcraft as a sport. This is a BS rule, and the ref willingly enforced it. It was bad by all accounts. However, this is a far cry from anything even remotely like killing StarCraft as a sport. Do you think Leta is going to stop playing because of this? Hell no; he'll be right there in the next game, doing his thing. And why should Bisu, Jaedong, or whomever else stop playing because of this? It is bad and certainly should be complained about and rectified. But let's not blow this out of proportion. Rigidly enforced arbitrary rules are not going to kill StarCraft as a sport. BTW, for those who say that the Ref shouldn't enforce the rule, that he should look to the spirit of the rules rather than the letter... no. You don't want to go down that road. The letter of rules is all we really have. It is objectively measurable and quantifiable. Once you start loosening the rules, then you get stuff like what happens in most sports. One ref calls things "loose", and another calls them "tight". If you use some illegal exploit, but don't seem to gain any advantage by doing it, you should still get hit with the DQ. It doesn't matter whether you did anything with it or not; you used the illegal exploit, you get DQ'd. If you start having subjective calls from refs, then you can get into situations where a ref has to judge whether an illegal exploit actually did anything in the match. Some refs may call it one way, others may call it another. StarCraft, being a videogame, calls all of its internal rules properly: rigidly and objectively (outside of genuine bugs and hacks). StarCraft referees likewise should do the same. The problem in this instance is that the rule is crap, not the people enforcing the rules. There is no way to make the "letter of the law" perfect. Any language philosopher could tell you that.
The very purpose of referees is to use their judgment and uphold the spirit of the law. Otherwise you could replace all referees with one book.
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The guy who said this is like getting DQ'd in a basketball game for not correctly using your hands to call a time-out was spot-on.
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This is stupid.
Why did they even allow BackHo's "ziziyo" if it's not gg.....jeez KePSA needs sense into them.
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Don't they give out warnings for other offenses? I remember a game being stopped because one of the players didn't have the second pair of headphones on, the big ones to prevent players from hearing outside noise. They did not need to disqualify Leta, he was obviously asking for a pause.
To some people saying he couldn't see that he only typed two "P"s instead of three because his monitor that's probably not the reason. I'm sure he could tell how many times he hit the "P" key, it's just that he was probably used to only doing "PP" instead of "PPP." No idea why it needs to be three "P"s as people pointed out "PP" can stand for "pause please" while "PPP" stands for ???
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well half a month ago they needed to write PP
so it was clearly his mistake of not writing PPP becuse he was used to the old thing..
but after all WTF is WITH THIS STUPID RULE ! ARE U NUTS o_ O
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konadora
Singapore66117 Posts
On April 29 2009 11:56 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Ugh, and I thought Ra's was retarded... jesus christ...
Yeah, I remember that one. Disqualifying him just because he accidentally paused the game while trying to adjust the sound settings. I mean, accidentally pausing the game, what can happen? Opponent gets DC'ed? Sheez.
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On April 29 2009 15:00 BlackMagister wrote:
Don't they give out warnings for other offenses? I remember a game being stopped because one of the players didn't have the second pair of headphones on, the big ones to prevent players from hearing outside noise. They did not need to disqualify Leta, he was obviously asking for a pause.
To some people saying he couldn't see that he only typed two "P"s instead of three because his monitor that's probably not the reason. I'm sure he could tell how many times he hit the "P" key, it's just that he was probably used to only doing "PP" instead of "PPP." No idea why it needs to be three "P"s as people pointed out "PP" can stand for "pause please" while "PPP" stands for ???
imagine yourself during a really important match. Playing with your what, 300+ apm.
Then suddenly your monitor starts to be buggy or something. And you know that if you lose a second, it might be something really important, and it might impact the game.
I would not wonder if leta panicked and stuff
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On January 19 2009 13:04 SoMuchBetter wrote:
this just in, kespa has banned smiling, as it is disrespectful to your opponent
On April 10 2009 00:07 SoMuchBetter wrote: kespa
On August 22 2008 14:39 SoMuchBetter wrote: go kespa
On August 06 2008 14:13 SoMuchBetter wrote:kespa making demands again like they actually do something go kespa
kespa. keep on rolling ur doing a great job.
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On April 28 2009 22:49 Artosis wrote:
and heres the thing:
you guys actually have no idea how bad kespa REALLY is.
care to elaborate? i hate kespa massively already as it stands, so i'd love to get a bit more fuel for the fire.
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'zizi yo' is now my new gg
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retarded PP and PPP is the same thing poor leta
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Rules are done by people for people. Not robots. KESPA referees should learn this and pass some psychological specialist before getting to work.
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All this talk got me thinking. What if instead of drawing a pylon heart, someone was to draw a pylon penis. I wonder what the rule against that would be.
Too bad Grrrr... isn't still playing. We could have asked him nicely.
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seriously, this is just..... i cant find a word to express my self T_T
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On April 29 2009 19:17 CubEdIn wrote:
All this talk got me thinking. What if instead of drawing a pylon heart, someone was to draw a pylon penis. I wonder what the rule against that would be.
Too bad Grrrr... isn't still playing. We could have asked him nicely.
dude that gave me a crazy idea
when backho wins a game and the other guy doesnt gg he should write out "zizi yO" in pylons
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Man, KESPA is completely worthless as an organization. They've done absolutely nothing for starcraft. According to Daniel superdanielman Lee, all the members of the original "KESPA" who created the whole infrastructure for proleague, courage tournaments, pro licenses, drafts, etc etc (all the good ideas basically) are no longer at KESPA. Now it's just staffed by a retarded band of mouthbreathers who couldn't ref their way out of a paper bag.
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sigh, its all a bureaucratic mess now.
also; just imo, seems just a tad low to be blaming the ref for just doing his job...
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On April 29 2009 15:55 SoMuchBetter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2009 22:49 Artosis wrote:
and heres the thing:
you guys actually have no idea how bad kespa REALLY is. care to elaborate? i hate kespa massively already as it stands, so i'd love to get a bit more fuel for the fire.
+1
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lol how would you know how many p's you already typed with that many APM and no VGA display ahaha, man this (read: kespa) sucks
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I now type GGG when I lose.
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Despite only typing 2 P's, the KESPA ref still knew Leta was requesting a pause. It is ridiculous that he should be DQ'd for a) KESPA's incompetence and b) requesting a pause which was granted to him.
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On April 29 2009 05:16 cz wrote:
lawl
Too bad everyone is so quiet and respectful in Korea, I'd have ripped the monitor out and thrown it at the referee.
No you wouldn't
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That's Kespa for you. They are the cops of the starcraft world. Oh your friend is dying? well don't put other people in danger by speeding. Now im going to write you a ticked while your friend is dieing. (ITerible metaphor but my point is kespa doesn't care what happened they blindly enforce rules.)
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Next OSL champ should type "ziziyo" when he wins the last game in the BO5 just to screw Kespa.
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On May 01 2009 02:20 Jyvblamo wrote:
Next OSL champ should type "ziziyo" when he wins the last game in the BO5 just to screw Kespa.
If it is just done purely out of spite, they will be DQ's, but what an awesome situation that would be
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cant wait for artosis weekly
this topic will be gold!
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Does Leta really think he can get away with something like this? I'm surprised he hasn't been fined yet...
+ Show Spoiler +I'm not sure if I'm allowed to be sarcastic yet, so I'll just add another "wow that's so lame" to the pile. Cheers!
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On May 01 2009 02:00 Zoler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 05:16 cz wrote:
lawl
Too bad everyone is so quiet and respectful in Korea, I'd have ripped the monitor out and thrown it at the referee. No you wouldn't
True, but I suspect that if it wasn't Korea one of several things would have happened :
1) Fans walk out.
2) go.go walks out - refuses to play 3set
3) Coach shouts and shakes his fist, or tries to at least feign a semblance of having a spine and sticking up for his players.
USE YOUR BRAIN, YOU MENTALLY RETARDED ASSHAT!!
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konadora
Singapore66117 Posts
On May 02 2009 02:21 jgad wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2009 02:00 Zoler wrote:On April 29 2009 05:16 cz wrote:
lawl
Too bad everyone is so quiet and respectful in Korea, I'd have ripped the monitor out and thrown it at the referee. No you wouldn't True, but I suspect that if it wasn't Korea one of several things would have happened : 1) Fans walk out. 2) go.go walks out - refuses to play 3set 3) Coach shouts and shakes his fist, or tries to at least feign a semblance of having a spine and sticking up for his players. USE YOUR BRAIN, YOU MENTALLY RETARDED ASSHAT!!
It would have been more awesome if both teams AND fans walked out lol
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every time I read this thread, I just think that kespa has become the new dmv, follow the rules exactly and rigidedly to make for a very unpleasent experience.
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if pp means pause please what does ppp mean? pause pretty please?
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It was only a matter of time before something so fucking dumb like this would happen
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The Ruby disqualification was just like, last week too.
So really it has happened twice.
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Interestingly enough this problem would NEVER occur if kespa could just keep the computers working. How hard is it to set up a computer that can run BW?
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Russian Federation376 Posts
On May 02 2009 04:17 fast ball player wrote:
if pp means pause please what does ppp mean? pause pretty please?
I guess it's because "pp" is very similar to "gg" so it can results in another "zizi yO" incident.
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On May 02 2009 06:11 StarBrift wrote:
Interestingly enough this problem would NEVER occur if kespa could just keep the computers working. How hard is it to set up a computer that can run BW?
most of the pause request are due to players own personal mouse or keyboard dieing.
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5673 Posts
The stupidity of this cannot be summed up in words. Seriously, what a bunch of pretentious morons.
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wasn't it go.go who once typed ggg instead of gg? also a disqualification :D?
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What do you do, if your keyboard dies, and you cant type 'ppp'?
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konadora
Singapore66117 Posts
On May 02 2009 11:14 MadNeSs wrote:
What do you do, if your keyboard dies, and you cant type 'ppp'?
I think there was such a case before. IIRC the player paused the game himself (and he didn't get DQ'd)
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On May 02 2009 11:14 MadNeSs wrote:
What do you do, if your keyboard dies, and you cant type 'ppp'?
you lose and gets banned from esports for life
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Wow poor Leta. KeSPA is just so stupid its not even funny.
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I also hate the TL crusaders against "bad manner" whose delicate & fragile sensibilities are deeply offended by just about anything. "I don't want to see someone typing gg no re omg, my fragile psyche can't take such awful bad manner". Fucking pathetic.
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United States1719 Posts
So yea here are the official rules
제8조 선수의 요청으로 인한 경기중단
아래에 명시된 사항에 부합될 때 선수는 채팅창에 자판의 “P”키를 연타함으
로써 경기 일시 중단 요청을 할 수 있으며, (단, 키보드의 입력에 문제가 생
길 때에는 거수로 경기 중단 요청을 한다.) 심판은 Pause 명령을 내림으로
써 경기를 중단시킨다. 해당경기는 “심판판정”규정에 따른다
Translation =
Clause 8 Time out due to player's request
Under the following conditions, a player can type the "p" key on the keyboard multiple times and request a time out, (However, if there is a problem with the keyboard the player must request a time out by raising his hand.) and the referee will give a Pause command and grant a time out. [In case the game cannot continue] The game will be ruled according to the "Referee decision" rule...
Soooooooooo technically Leta didn't even break the rule, because it doesn't say that it has to be ppp, it just has to be multiple strokes of 'p'. This is fucking retarded Kespa hasn't made any official comments/apologies about it yet.
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I think that the teams coaches and the players are being too impotent about this. An American football coach would bend the KESPA referee over a coffee table and penetrate him with foreign objects for a call like that.
KESPA is just a big power-trip.
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On May 06 2009 03:17 rotinegg wrote:
So yea here are the official rules
제8조 선수의 요청으로 인한 경기중단
아래에 명시된 사항에 부합될 때 선수는 채팅창에 자판의 “P”키를 연타함으
로써 경기 일시 중단 요청을 할 수 있으며, (단, 키보드의 입력에 문제가 생
길 때에는 거수로 경기 중단 요청을 한다.) 심판은 Pause 명령을 내림으로
써 경기를 중단시킨다. 해당경기는 “심판판정”규정에 따른다
Translation =
Clause 8 Time out due to player's request
Under the following conditions, a player can type the "p" key on the keyboard multiple times and request a time out, (However, if there is a problem with the keyboard the player must request a time out by raising his hand.) and the referee will give a Pause command and grant a time out. [In case the game cannot continue] The game will be ruled according to the "Referee decision" rule...
Soooooooooo technically Leta didn't even break the rule, because it doesn't say that it has to be ppp, it just has to be multiple strokes of 'p'. This is fucking retarded Kespa hasn't made any official comments/apologies about it yet.
pretty sure it was the old rule.
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Fuck kespa is stupid
I remember when they came out with the new rules and I was complaining about how stupid it was to not allow people to say other forms of GG and PP and not allowing ceremonies and how it was ruining the game.
Funny how when I said that everyone told me QQ
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United States1719 Posts
On May 06 2009 04:39 hixhix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2009 03:17 rotinegg wrote:
So yea here are the official rules
제8조 선수의 요청으로 인한 경기중단
아래에 명시된 사항에 부합될 때 선수는 채팅창에 자판의 “P”키를 연타함으
로써 경기 일시 중단 요청을 할 수 있으며, (단, 키보드의 입력에 문제가 생
길 때에는 거수로 경기 중단 요청을 한다.) 심판은 Pause 명령을 내림으로
써 경기를 중단시킨다. 해당경기는 “심판판정”규정에 따른다
Translation =
Clause 8 Time out due to player's request
Under the following conditions, a player can type the "p" key on the keyboard multiple times and request a time out, (However, if there is a problem with the keyboard the player must request a time out by raising his hand.) and the referee will give a Pause command and grant a time out. [In case the game cannot continue] The game will be ruled according to the "Referee decision" rule...
Soooooooooo technically Leta didn't even break the rule, because it doesn't say that it has to be ppp, it just has to be multiple strokes of 'p'. This is fucking retarded Kespa hasn't made any official comments/apologies about it yet. pretty sure it was the old rule.
It is the new and revised rules. Check for yourself: http://www.progamer.or.kr/about/about_32_1.kea?m_code=about_32
(Even if you can't read korean, try looking for section 8, it shouldn't be too difficult, and try to match character by character, you'll see it is the official rule regarding timeouts posted on kespa's website.)
edit::
Here's a post that Leta made on his blog at the end of that day. Korean and translated.
(Source: http://blog.naver.com/mnbgyuiop?Redirect=Log&logNo=150046748707)
안녕하세요 ';'
Hello
오늘 조금 불미스러운 일이있어서 ㅠㅠ ,, ';' 주의를 줄지 알았지만 몰수패란 소리를 듣고 조금 어이없기도하고
Today there was an unfortunate event T_T I knew I would get a warning but I was taken back when he disqualified our team for that.
컴퓨터 문제인데,난 pp 를 쳤는데 라는생각이 들고 그랬었는데 아쉬운일이지만 제가 잘못한거겠죠~?ㅠㅠ 그런거겠죠?.
My computer was malfucntioning so I thought I was ok typing 'pp'.. I really regret it but it's my fault in the end? T_T Right?
저 때문에 팀도 지고... 분위기도 많이떨어질꺼 같기도 하고 아쉽지만 오늘 일은 빨리 잊을수있도록 해야겠어요.
My team lost cuz of me... and I'm really worried that this might put our team down but I will try my best to try to forget about today's incident.
이문제 때문에 팬분들께서 많이 걱정해주실꺼 같은데 전 이런일 때문에 의기소침해 있지 않아요 ㅎㅎ;
I'm worried my fans might be really worried about me but I can assure you I won't let this affect my gameplay hehe
많이 응원해주시면 계속 좋은 모습보여드릴테니 많이 응원해주세요!!
Please cheer for me I'll try my best to show you the best of me!!
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United States1719 Posts
gogochang@e-sports.or.kr
Show that foreigners care about starcraft too by dropping the idiot judge a note
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konadora
Singapore66117 Posts
On May 07 2009 09:28 rotinegg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2009 04:39 hixhix wrote:On May 06 2009 03:17 rotinegg wrote:
So yea here are the official rules
제8조 선수의 요청으로 인한 경기중단
아래에 명시된 사항에 부합될 때 선수는 채팅창에 자판의 “P”키를 연타함으
로써 경기 일시 중단 요청을 할 수 있으며, (단, 키보드의 입력에 문제가 생
길 때에는 거수로 경기 중단 요청을 한다.) 심판은 Pause 명령을 내림으로
써 경기를 중단시킨다. 해당경기는 “심판판정”규정에 따른다
Translation =
Clause 8 Time out due to player's request
Under the following conditions, a player can type the "p" key on the keyboard multiple times and request a time out, (However, if there is a problem with the keyboard the player must request a time out by raising his hand.) and the referee will give a Pause command and grant a time out. [In case the game cannot continue] The game will be ruled according to the "Referee decision" rule...
Soooooooooo technically Leta didn't even break the rule, because it doesn't say that it has to be ppp, it just has to be multiple strokes of 'p'. This is fucking retarded Kespa hasn't made any official comments/apologies about it yet. pretty sure it was the old rule. It is the new and revised rules. Check for yourself: http://www.progamer.or.kr/about/about_32_1.kea?m_code=about_32(Even if you can't read korean, try looking for section 8, it shouldn't be too difficult, and try to match character by character, you'll see it is the official rule regarding timeouts posted on kespa's website.) edit:: Here's a post that Leta made on his blog at the end of that day. Korean and translated. (Source: http://blog.naver.com/mnbgyuiop?Redirect=Log&logNo=150046748707)안녕하세요 ';' Hello 오늘 조금 불미스러운 일이있어서 ㅠㅠ ,, ';' 주의를 줄지 알았지만 몰수패란 소리를 듣고 조금 어이없기도하고 Today there was an unfortunate event T_T I knew I would get a warning but I was taken back when he disqualified our team for that. 컴퓨터 문제인데,난 pp 를 쳤는데 라는생각이 들고 그랬었는데 아쉬운일이지만 제가 잘못한거겠죠~?ㅠㅠ 그런거겠죠?. My computer was malfucntioning so I thought I was ok typing 'pp'.. I really regret it but it's my fault in the end? T_T Right? 저 때문에 팀도 지고... 분위기도 많이떨어질꺼 같기도 하고 아쉽지만 오늘 일은 빨리 잊을수있도록 해야겠어요. My team lost cuz of me... and I'm really worried that this might put our team down but I will try my best to try to forget about today's incident. 이문제 때문에 팬분들께서 많이 걱정해주실꺼 같은데 전 이런일 때문에 의기소침해 있지 않아요 ㅎㅎ; I'm worried my fans might be really worried about me but I can assure you I won't let this affect my gameplay hehe 많이 응원해주시면 계속 좋은 모습보여드릴테니 많이 응원해주세요!! Please cheer for me I'll try my best to show you the best of me!!
KeSPA needs to compensate him for what they've done.
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That interview of Leta's kinda shows how bad this move is. He says it won't let it affect him but...you know it will. They lost because he typed one extra letter. If he's not angry at kespa, he'll blame himself and that's just messed up.
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United States13143 Posts
On May 07 2009 10:09 DamageControL wrote:
That interview of Leta's kinda shows how bad this move is. He says it won't let it affect him but...you know it will. They lost because he typed one extra letter. If he's not angry at kespa, he'll blame himself and that's just messed up.
Just to add to this, as a Leta fan, he's definitely been playing worse since then. His games against Iris, Bisu, and in the OSL had some very cringeworthy moments, which is especially worrying since Leta is had been very consistent.
Hopefully he manages to pull himself together again.
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A little late to the discussion, but here's my 2 cents now that I saw the VOD.
I must say that I'm in the minority in actually supporting the ruling. The judge did rule according to the rulebook. You can't under any circumstances fault him for that.
The problem everyone has is with the rule itself, which is too inflexible. If so, why is there no uproar when the rule was made in the first place? Teams should tell Kespa when they revised the rules that it probably shouldn't be too strict. If the teams don't have problems with it. Then why should Leta not be punished according to the rules?
Everyone's saying Kespa sucks. Well, that may indeed be the case. But if all teams say they abide by Kespa rules, then they should. If they don't like it, they can decide not to compete. Or create their own organization for refreeing.
Anyway, I feel bad for Leta. But unless his monitor is so bad that he cannot tell the difference between pp and ppp, then it really is entirely his fault. Or the fault of his coaches for not making sure he remembers the rules.
Edit: I just want to add that I felt Kespa should give referee some power to determine punishment based on each particular case. And in the worst case scenario, the ability to appeal for something as severe as this. Also, I personally would feel a warning is the most applicable punishment. Mainly because the pause did not occur at time that is detrimental to Kal. At the very worst, they could've ruled a regame, which would be somewhat of a punishment given that Leta had the edge there.
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United States1719 Posts
Rules are rules, yes, but the big problems with what kespa is doing right now:
1. their sudden enforcement of an array of new rules that go against what has been considered to be the norm for the last decade of competition
pp has been the norm for pausing the game, and thus Leta probably instinctively typed pp. There is no reason pp would cause any confusion or have more negative effects to the opposing player's gameplay than typing ppp, and the vast majority of the esports community believes the judge was an idiot for disqualifying Leta.
2. the unnecessarily harsh punishment given to Leta for a first time violation on such a minor portion of the rule
The rulebook stipulates that the ultimate decision is left to the judge. The rules were implemented less than a month ago, and it wasn't like Leta was being bm or had any malintentions by typing pp instead of ppp. The judge should have stopped at a warning instead of throwing a bucket of ice on an otherwise exciting game.
3. the fact that the referee did indeed pause the game to check up on Leta instead of announcing his violation of the rule immediately
The ref proceeded as if Leta were being given a timeout, pausing the game and going to check up on Leta's status. The decision to disqualify him only came after he had confirmed that Leta's VGA card had indeed been malfunctioning, went back in to consult the rulebook, and as a result came as a surprise to everyone, including Leta and Kal (they had actually put their headsets back on, ready to play, when the ref came up to make the announcement).
And of course, the idiocy of the rules themselves (no more ingame chat, no more ceremonies, no more firebathero thrusting :[ )
There is also plenty of room to argue about the ambiguity of the wording in Kespa's rulebook (the rulebook states "multiple keystrokes of 'p'" instead of ppp on the actual section about pausing). Last but not least, Kespa has refused to make a single comment on this issue, despite the fact that their forum is FLOODED (10 pages+) with threads about the incident, and has not released any information regarding their stance on this issue, which sends a message out to the public that they know they fucked up but dont wanna own up to it at the cost of losing face.
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United States1719 Posts
5/7 UPDATE::
Kespa has finally realized their rules were conflicting and retarded, so they have changed the rules regarding in-game chat and pausing, May 7th 2009. They haven't given an apology or made an official statement about Leta's game though, as they want it to pass by quietly until ppl will forget about it. Korean netizens, being the heroes that they are, are not letting this slip easily, shitting on Kespa for their outrageous behavior, and Kespa is losing any sort of credit that they might have had.
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On May 08 2009 23:04 rotinegg wrote:
5/7 UPDATE::
Kespa has finally realized their rules were conflicting and retarded, so they have changed the rules regarding in-game chat and pausing, May 7th 2009. They haven't given an apology or made an official statement about Leta's game though, as they want it to pass by quietly until ppl will forget about it. Korean netizens, being the heroes that they are, are not letting this slip easily, shitting on Kespa for their outrageous behavior, and Kespa is losing any sort of credit that they might have had.
at least they improved the ruleset as a reaction... shows they are not completely ignorant
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konadora
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