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Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
April 28 2009 22:39 GMT
#221
lol kespa are retards once again. im not too surprised to be honest.
peidongyang
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada2084 Posts
April 28 2009 22:41 GMT
#222
this is kinda ridiculous

look, it old message was pp.

these progamers type at like 24235234234 wpm

WHY THE HELL DO U DISQUALIFY SOMEONE FOR TYPING PP INSTEAD OF PPP?

Thats like saying if ur playing basketball and they changed the rule so u can only take 1 step instead of 2 and if u take two steps by ACCIDENT you get a fucking technical?

Get with the program KeSPA, I DEMAND A REMATCH!
the throws never bothered me anyway
sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-28 22:47:20
April 28 2009 22:45 GMT
#223
On April 29 2009 06:32 StarBrift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2009 06:26 sixghost wrote:
On April 29 2009 04:26 Jayme wrote:
On April 28 2009 22:50 ShloobeR wrote:
AS has been pointed out, I Don't know why the referee is getting flamed for doing his job.

Blame the organisation (which a lot of people are of course)


He's getting flamed for doing his job poorly.

The job of a referee is to enforce rules based on the situation and not blindly.

Screen flickered during a rather critical moment, Leta SLAMS on the "p" key but only gets 2 out and he gets DQ'd?

This is ridiculous and a ref actually doing his damn job would have realized this instantly. Everyone knows that rules can't possibly cover every situation, that's why you have ref's there to interpret them based on what just happened.

Don't blame the referee, blame KeSPA for making the rule. He's doing his job well, he's just forced to enforce a shitty rule.


He's not forced to enforce anything. Part of the job of being a referee is using ones own judgement to decide the outcome in a situation. There is absolutely no proof that Leta didn't intend to type ppp but instead only got pp out. If you honestly think he should lose a proleague game for that then you're seriously fucked up man. Take a step back and look at what you're saying.

It's not his job to use his judgement when the rule is specifically written as to what's illegal. If KeSPA wanted this rule to be less strict, they would have worded as such.

And stop putting words in my mouth. Nowhere did I say the rule wasn't retarded. Of course Leta shouldn't have been DQ'd for that, all I said was it's not the ref's fault and people should stop blaming him. It's the people at KeSPA's fault who grossly overreacted to the backho incident.

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iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
April 28 2009 22:51 GMT
#224
Although this sucks by all means possible... rules are rules.
Woo Jung Ho
LxRogue
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1415 Posts
April 28 2009 23:01 GMT
#225
Utter bullshit. I don't see how anyone can defend KeSPA just because they are following their rules.

This just in: The rule is 100% retarded.

Imagine a game in the NBA, and a player calls for a time-out, but when he makes a "T" with his hands, he puts his left hand on top instead of his right. The rule stands, that when calling timeouts, a player must make a "T" with their hands, and the right hand must be on top. As such, he broke the rules and his team is DQed. It's hard to think of a more minuscule, insignificant issue to DQ somebody for.

BackHo's offensive gg? ForGG's scv/mineral glitching? KeSPA lets those slide but disqualifies Leta?
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
April 28 2009 23:05 GMT
#226
^ Actually it was BackHo's ziziyo that caused this stupid rules.
Woo Jung Ho
NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
April 28 2009 23:05 GMT
#227
I actually know the referee in question - he's one of the nicest guys on the Kespa staff I've met since I've been here (he once accompanied me home on the subway after a finals to make sure I was safe.) I do feel that by enforcing these rules so strictly Kespa might just be shooting it's public image in the foot though. Netizens in Korea have really strong opinions (although this might change if internet anonymity keeps on being reduced as it seems to be doing here recently.) and the Sparkyz fans (along with those of MBC Heroes after the Ruby incident.) are liable to make their feelings known in a very public manner.

It seems a shame (imho) when steps were being made to make the events more fun and accessible to a wider audience (fan friendly things like Bunkie and Shogun etc.) other rules (toned down ceremonies and harsher enforcement for missed keystrokes etc.) are just taking the enjoyment out of the events and making them way more serious than they really should be. I'm wondering if we'll even get to see such hilarious and creative events as Rival Battle Break this year due to all these more stringent guidelines and the retirement/reticence to be out-going any more of some of the players who made the events their most colorful and enjoyable.

Sometimes (despite only having been on the scene for a year.) I have to admit to saying to people; 'I miss the old days.'
우리 행운의 모양은 여러개지만 행복의 모양은 하나
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-28 23:09:58
April 28 2009 23:09 GMT
#228
Players should organize a protest by typing zizi yo or some other thing in every game upcoming, they can't DQ everyone.
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9104 Posts
April 28 2009 23:10 GMT
#229
Are you fucking kidding me? That has got to be one of the most retarded decisions ever. I mean in my opinion they should allow trash talking and in-game chat since it would add personality to the players and would make things more interesting.

However, that point aside, DQ'ing him for typing "pp" instead of "ppp" sounds like a joke. In fact.... it's still April, maybe this is KeSPA's idea of a joke! Wtf can "ppp" stand for anyway?

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[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-29 01:16:07
April 28 2009 23:15 GMT
#230
KeSPA doesn't even recognize GOM and this incident is more reason to think KeSPA is a joke to the sport.
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pubbanana
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3063 Posts
April 28 2009 23:18 GMT
#231
On April 29 2009 08:05 NeverGG wrote:
I actually know the referee in question - he's one of the nicest guys on the Kespa staff I've met since I've been here (he once accompanied me home on the subway after a finals to make sure I was safe.) I do feel that by enforcing these rules so strictly Kespa might just be shooting it's public image in the foot though. Netizens in Korea have really strong opinions (although this might change if internet anonymity keeps on being reduced as it seems to be doing here recently.) and the Sparkyz fans (along with those of MBC Heroes after the Ruby incident.) are liable to make their feelings known in a very public manner.

It seems a shame (imho) when steps were being made to make the events more fun and accessible to a wider audience (fan friendly things like Bunkie and Shogun etc.) other rules (toned down ceremonies and harsher enforcement for missed keystrokes etc.) are just taking the enjoyment out of the events and making them way more serious than they really should be. I'm wondering if we'll even get to see such hilarious and creative events as Rival Battle Break this year due to all these more stringent guidelines and the retirement/reticence to be out-going any more of some of the players who made the events their most colorful and enjoyable.

Sometimes (despite only having been on the scene for a year.) I have to admit to saying to people; 'I miss the old days.'


That's amazing, Bassy rode the subway home with you. I wish I lived in Korea.
Wachet, stehet im Glauben, seid männlich und seid stark.
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
April 28 2009 23:24 GMT
#232
Wow how retarded is that. :/ KeSPA bringing a mind-fuck once again.
觀過斯知仁矣.
HooHa!
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States688 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-28 23:29:13
April 28 2009 23:28 GMT
#233
This is absolutely ridiculous.

I don't even think people should rationalize about him maybe not him being able to see the screen, come on guys

The fact is Kespa is full of crap. And teams are way too effin modest. They need to step up their pride a little bit. They practice all effing day to play in a very high level match. The point is alot of things. One to express skill, Two its for the fans and families enjoyment, and three its for their pride in doing something really quite incredible.

For once I want to see a proleague match where some real intensity happens between the people. Theirs no staredowns like their is in MMA.

Like remember the Brazillian top team and ChuteBoxe rivalry in Pride FC? Those guys are ready to cut each others throats after some fights, or ref stoppages when one guy is on the floor getting soccer kicked. Of course that won't happen in E-sports for many reasons, and probably wouldn't exactly appeal to audiences.

But I think its about time Pro Teams take some action against KeSpa in protesting ON THE SPOT, or during press conferences or whatever. These kinds of games SHOULD go on, especially for someone of Leta's skill. Sure they play thousands of games, but we want to actually WATCH them.
Hoo Ra!
Perguvious
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1783 Posts
April 28 2009 23:30 GMT
#234
[image loading]


Oov in disguise.

...

Actually, oov is too fucking cool to do that. D:
Shizuru~
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Malaysia1676 Posts
April 28 2009 23:39 GMT
#235
What exactly is Kespa anyways? are they an individual/independant organisation? who funds them and why do they have such an authority over gaming industry? its like they're the feudal lords of korean e-sports, anyone got any ideas how Kespa came to be and how exactly do they function?

Cause really, they're getting more and more ridiculous, and i just got in the starcraft scene for just a few months to know enough about wth they did...
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
April 28 2009 23:43 GMT
#236
What I don't get is.. what do you have to do in order to get a warning instead of a DQ if typing pp results in DQ? Do you have to type in like 2.9 Ps or something? like what the hell
Official Entusman #21
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
April 28 2009 23:44 GMT
#237
Fuck that retard if I ever meet him he's getting a soju bottle to the face.
why so 진지해?
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
April 28 2009 23:56 GMT
#238
Wow. Basically agreeing with 99.99% of everyone else, this is fucking retarded:
- He obviously didn't intend to type 'pp'.
- KeSPA is fucking stupid for making such a rule.
- the 'GG/gg' rule is equally as stupid. I don't think they should force you to say anything or make ti so you can't say anything else. Ex. That toss player(can't recall his name or any other info) who did a proxy but his zealot spawned on the wrong side of the gateway that he wanted and rendered his rush useless basically. Sure I would admit I lost, and that it is my own fault for not having testing that proxy location before but ffs I wouldn't say 'gg'. Do people even know what 'gg' means? Good game? How is that a good game? More like 'epic fail' then alt+q+q.
- KeSPA ref did his job I guess, so I understand not flaming him, but fucking KeSPA, ERGGG.
- It was obvious that he isn't using the screen thing as an excuse. His screen obviously fucked up.

God dammit, this ruins my day a little. Respect for KeSPA just dropped enormously.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
MorningMusume11
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3490 Posts
April 29 2009 00:10 GMT
#239
This isn't surprising to me though... especially older Korean men expect the younger people to do everything correctly. My first job ever was at a Mail Boxes Etc. owned by this Korean guy and he expected me to pick up the job instantly (like after the 2nd time) after just working one day a week. The guy fired me and I swear to God he did nothing to make my job easier (or even train me properly). Reminds me of typical Korean parents, especially those who just immigrated to the States.

Mom / Dad: "You have to get all A in every class"
Child: " It's gonna be hard at least in english, we can't even speak it yet"
Mom / Dad: "No A or I'll beat you up real hard"
Child: "Ok..."
Bob123
Profile Joined October 2006
Korea (North)259 Posts
April 29 2009 00:14 GMT
#240
The PP and "gg yo" etc are phrases that are buried very deep in the players minds, especially the gg phrases. They have played thousands of practice games saying it, and it comes automatically. For me, the hotkey to leave a game is almost enter-gg-enter-alt-q-q. If typing gg was banned, I would still do alot of mistakes. Besides, when the monitor breaks down (or whatever happened to leta), you don't take time to think over what to write to the referee. Every millisecond is valuable, so just type away as fast as possible.

Heck, since "pp" isn't a real request to pause according to KESPA, why did the referee pause the game? He should be fired for pausing when the players didn't request it! Damn game breaking referee.

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