EPT[SPOILERS] Leta and KeSPA controversy - Page 14
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
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29 fps
United States5725 Posts
On April 29 2009 11:45 Ilikestarcraft wrote: imagine someone typing only g after losing and gets disqualified. since that person would have already lost, then it might only be a warning. but in a BoX, that might be a problem. It would ruin a Bo5 finals. | ||
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
On April 29 2009 11:52 29 fps wrote: since that person would have already lost, then it might only be a warning. but in a BoX, that might be a problem. It would ruin a Bo5 finals. Yeah imagine game 5 of an OSL finals and someones monitor is acting up and they only type "pp" this rule is just insane. | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
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Malongo
Chile3479 Posts
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
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Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
Idra says gg during televised games. If he does it, anyone can. It has nothing to do with being professional, or preventing things like my above example. Idra is not going to say "you really are a terrible player" in a televised game. The rule has no purpose, makes no one better off, obstructs normal procession of games, and makes things non-fun to fans. Would they ban Chalrenge for hiding pylons? Probably not, at least I haven't heard a rule about it. And that's extremely unprofessional, but also mildly entertaining. | ||
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Ranix
United States666 Posts
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
A question: Have the typing rules ever been enforced in a case where it wasn't an honest mistake? | ||
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
On April 29 2009 10:57 KaasZerg wrote: Is the spirit of the rules to kill starcraft as a sport. This is a BS rule, and the ref willingly enforced it. It was bad by all accounts. However, this is a far cry from anything even remotely like killing StarCraft as a sport. Do you think Leta is going to stop playing because of this? Hell no; he'll be right there in the next game, doing his thing. And why should Bisu, Jaedong, or whomever else stop playing because of this? It is bad and certainly should be complained about and rectified. But let's not blow this out of proportion. Rigidly enforced arbitrary rules are not going to kill StarCraft as a sport. BTW, for those who say that the Ref shouldn't enforce the rule, that he should look to the spirit of the rules rather than the letter... no. You don't want to go down that road. The letter of rules is all we really have. It is objectively measurable and quantifiable. Once you start loosening the rules, then you get stuff like what happens in most sports. One ref calls things "loose", and another calls them "tight". If you use some illegal exploit, but don't seem to gain any advantage by doing it, you should still get hit with the DQ. It doesn't matter whether you did anything with it or not; you used the illegal exploit, you get DQ'd. If you start having subjective calls from refs, then you can get into situations where a ref has to judge whether an illegal exploit actually did anything in the match. Some refs may call it one way, others may call it another. StarCraft, being a videogame, calls all of its internal rules properly: rigidly and objectively (outside of genuine bugs and hacks). StarCraft referees likewise should do the same. The problem in this instance is that the rule is crap, not the people enforcing the rules. | ||
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
On April 29 2009 13:14 NicolBolas wrote: There is no way to make the "letter of the law" perfect. Any language philosopher could tell you that. This is a BS rule, and the ref willingly enforced it. It was bad by all accounts. However, this is a far cry from anything even remotely like killing StarCraft as a sport. Do you think Leta is going to stop playing because of this? Hell no; he'll be right there in the next game, doing his thing. And why should Bisu, Jaedong, or whomever else stop playing because of this? It is bad and certainly should be complained about and rectified. But let's not blow this out of proportion. Rigidly enforced arbitrary rules are not going to kill StarCraft as a sport. BTW, for those who say that the Ref shouldn't enforce the rule, that he should look to the spirit of the rules rather than the letter... no. You don't want to go down that road. The letter of rules is all we really have. It is objectively measurable and quantifiable. Once you start loosening the rules, then you get stuff like what happens in most sports. One ref calls things "loose", and another calls them "tight". If you use some illegal exploit, but don't seem to gain any advantage by doing it, you should still get hit with the DQ. It doesn't matter whether you did anything with it or not; you used the illegal exploit, you get DQ'd. If you start having subjective calls from refs, then you can get into situations where a ref has to judge whether an illegal exploit actually did anything in the match. Some refs may call it one way, others may call it another. StarCraft, being a videogame, calls all of its internal rules properly: rigidly and objectively (outside of genuine bugs and hacks). StarCraft referees likewise should do the same. The problem in this instance is that the rule is crap, not the people enforcing the rules. The very purpose of referees is to use their judgment and uphold the spirit of the law. Otherwise you could replace all referees with one book. | ||
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DrTJEckleburg
United States1080 Posts
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
Why did they even allow BackHo's "ziziyo" if it's not gg.....jeez KePSA needs sense into them. | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
To some people saying he couldn't see that he only typed two "P"s instead of three because his monitor that's probably not the reason. I'm sure he could tell how many times he hit the "P" key, it's just that he was probably used to only doing "PP" instead of "PPP." No idea why it needs to be three "P"s as people pointed out "PP" can stand for "pause please" while "PPP" stands for ??? | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1177 Posts
so it was clearly his mistake of not writing PPP becuse he was used to the old thing.. but after all WTF is WITH THIS STUPID RULE ! ARE U NUTS o_ O | ||
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konadora
Singapore66365 Posts
On April 29 2009 11:56 EvilTeletubby wrote: Ugh, and I thought Ra's was retarded... jesus christ... Yeah, I remember that one. Disqualifying him just because he accidentally paused the game while trying to adjust the sound settings. I mean, accidentally pausing the game, what can happen? Opponent gets DC'ed? Sheez. | ||
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MuR)Ernu
Finland768 Posts
On April 29 2009 15:00 BlackMagister wrote: Don't they give out warnings for other offenses? I remember a game being stopped because one of the players didn't have the second pair of headphones on, the big ones to prevent players from hearing outside noise. They did not need to disqualify Leta, he was obviously asking for a pause. To some people saying he couldn't see that he only typed two "P"s instead of three because his monitor that's probably not the reason. I'm sure he could tell how many times he hit the "P" key, it's just that he was probably used to only doing "PP" instead of "PPP." No idea why it needs to be three "P"s as people pointed out "PP" can stand for "pause please" while "PPP" stands for ??? imagine yourself during a really important match. Playing with your what, 300+ apm. Then suddenly your monitor starts to be buggy or something. And you know that if you lose a second, it might be something really important, and it might impact the game. I would not wonder if leta panicked and stuff | ||
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
On January 19 2009 13:04 SoMuchBetter wrote: this just in, kespa has banned smiling, as it is disrespectful to your opponent On April 10 2009 00:07 SoMuchBetter wrote:  kespaOn August 22 2008 14:39 SoMuchBetter wrote: go kespaOn August 06 2008 14:13 SoMuchBetter wrote: kespa making demands again like they actually do something go kespa kespa. keep on rolling ur doing a great job. | ||
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
On April 28 2009 22:49 Artosis wrote: and heres the thing: you guys actually have no idea how bad kespa REALLY is. care to elaborate? i hate kespa massively already as it stands, so i'd love to get a bit more fuel for the fire. | ||
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RedTerror
New Zealand742 Posts
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