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Nah.
SCBW has never had more resources than now. It has an active ladder where you can get great games 24/7 and tight communities with plenty of professional game resources/non korean games etc. Strategy section etc.. I really think she can get comparable at the game and have fun sparring with nub/decent gamers in a month or so. She isn't shooting for pro level asap. Nothing says that imo. She wants to be good and is a competitive player who can do that.
edit: not that she likes it but being a girl means she will have a LOT more willing training partners/resources. She is my friend and she is a professional gamer in other games (knows what it takes). She certainly has what it takes.
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So you basically think I'm going to give up because it takes time to get good? Oh man... I can't wait to prove you all wrong! I'm not paying 5 grand for a pc to use as a paper weight boys! I haven't quit playing Quake since it came out... if StarCraft proves to be the game it's hyped up to be I'm sure I'll continue playing for years.
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On January 13 2009 16:58 StarSlay3r wrote:
So you basically think I'm going to give up because it takes time to get good? Oh man... I can't wait to prove you all wrong! I'm not paying 5 grand for a pc to use as a paper weight boys! I haven't quit playing Quake since it came out... if StarCraft proves to be the game it's hyped up to be I'm sure I'll continue playing for years.
<3 there will always be naysayers cause you seem to be too good to be true atm. Hot girl that wants to get into bw and play on a higher level? nah, cannot be possible... I KNOW it is and I cannot wait for them to see it 
Just focus on the people who will rally around you and support you!
Even this naysayer seems reasonable.. just pessimistic which is understandable and fine given the long history of this game.
<3
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On January 13 2009 16:29 Resonance wrote:
Sorry to burst your bubble StarSlay3r, but I think you are being a little unrealistic.
The amount of time it takes to become "good" at starcraft is ridiculous. It takes years. Considering you have never really played the game, you cannot possibly understand how hard it is to become good @ this game, and I really don't expect you to.
So when you say, "I want to get really good", you really don't understand how much time you have to put into it to get good. First, I suggest you actually play the game,, for like 6 months. To get "good", you really gotta love this game. Like you gotta be so incredibly passionate about it and enjoy committing hours and hours to it.
In direct reply... I could say that to you about Guitar Hero. I have been playing rhythm games for 10 years... it took practice to get this good.... FOR ME. I know of several people who picked the game up and conquered expert in a day. I'm not expecting that with SC but with time, dedication and the proper training I believe I can excel at the game faster then the average person who picks it up for the first time. I highly think you underestimate my skills and I am just more motivated to do well now after all the the doubts. :D Keep an eye on me... You might just be surprised of what I'm capable of.
BLAH! All the updates just finished uploading to the PC. I want to play now but nick is uploading some stuff for his games and it's 12midnight and I have to be ready for work in 6 hrs. OMG! I'm freakin out man!!! I wanna play! ok ok screw waiting til Sunday... the MOB godfather is going to be mad but I'm skipping GH practice tomorrow night to start SC. ITS ON!!!
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Valhalla18444 Posts
what you need to do is get fakesteve to teach you
he ain't free though
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*makes primal ape sounds and smashes chest with fists*
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Valhalla18444 Posts
seriously though with proper instruction and a geniune focus on improving the mechanical aspect of your play (by that i mean playing faster, do shit as fast as possible no wasted time all streamlined efficient and so forth)... basically if you get someone clever to tell you exactly what to do and you do it just like they tell you, you could become an average level player (like able to win games on iccup) in a few months
it really is a brutal game though, it's intensely physically demanding for a goddamned computer game
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Valhalla18444 Posts
i mean seriously there are some fucking retarded people who manage to figure out which keys to smash in what order to hit C+
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100% agree. It is a huge luckout that her roommate formerly played. Hopefully he can show her basic hotkeys, keyboard positions etc. Next step StarSlay3r is going to be playing lots and showing up to lans -> seeing how they do it. That was how I made some strides even YEARS after I started.
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On January 13 2009 17:02 StarSlay3r wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2009 16:29 Resonance wrote:
Sorry to burst your bubble StarSlay3r, but I think you are being a little unrealistic.
The amount of time it takes to become "good" at starcraft is ridiculous. It takes years. Considering you have never really played the game, you cannot possibly understand how hard it is to become good @ this game, and I really don't expect you to.
So when you say, "I want to get really good", you really don't understand how much time you have to put into it to get good. First, I suggest you actually play the game,, for like 6 months. To get "good", you really gotta love this game. Like you gotta be so incredibly passionate about it and enjoy committing hours and hours to it.
In direct reply... I could say that to you about Guitar Hero. I have been playing rhythm games for 10 years... it took practice to get this good.... FOR ME. I know of several people who picked the game up and conquered expert in a day. I'm not expecting that with SC but with time, dedication and the proper training I believe I can excel at the game faster then the average person who picks it up for the first time. I highly think you underestimate my skills and I am just more motivated to do well now after all the the doubts. :D Keep an eye on me... You might just be surprised of what I'm capable of. BLAH! All the updates just finished uploading to the PC. I want to play now but nick is uploading some stuff for his games and it's 12midnight and I have to be ready for work in 6 hrs. OMG! I'm freakin out man!!! I wanna play! ok ok screw waiting til Sunday... the MOB godfather is going to be mad but I'm skipping GH practice tomorrow night to start SC. ITS ON!!!
-.- I'm not underestimating you I'm treating you like every single other person who plays this game. There's a huge skill difference in being incredible @ guitar hero and being incredible @ starcraft. There aren't pro guitar hero leagues like there are pro starcraft leagues. The pros @ this game practice for like 11 hours a day. They do nothing BUT play this game, and they have been for years. You really can't compare any other game (in terms of depth) to starcraft.
I'm just telling you this so you don't get frustrated (@ some point) like 99% of all people who play this game. But hey, you don't need to listen to me. Go play for 7 hours a day every single day for a year, and you might hit C or something.
Go ask some other people how hard it is to get good @ this game, considering you have never played it before, maybe I am wrong.
Sorry to sound this pessimistic, I'm not trying to bring you down or anything, I'm just telling you that usually people with this attitude before they play starcraft end up very disappointed.
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7 hours a day for 1 year and only hitting C is REALLY low. Even for the average gamer... nevermind the conditioned professional gamer. She will do better than that.. and I doubt she plays for 7 hours a day for a year
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if i played 7 hours a day for a year and i couldn't hit C i wouldn't have to kill myself
you see, there's this thing called 'natural selection' and
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On January 13 2009 17:15 Resonance wrote:
There's a huge skill difference in being incredible @ guitar hero and being incredible @ starcraft. There aren't pro guitar hero leagues like there are pro starcraft leagues. The pros @ this game practice for like 11 hours a day. They do nothing BUT play this game, and they have been for years. You really can't compare any other game (in terms of depth) to starcraft.
OMG! No we don't have masses of Koreans dedicating their lives to GH but I can tell you that for a whole year I played guitar hero for 70 hours a week dedicating my life to it basically, and I wasn't alone. I practiced for 6 solid months for the world cyber games... Geoff knows how intense that can be. I got to the highest ranking of 5th in the world on the most recent Guitar Hero (World Tour)... then had to take a break to practice other games. Have you seen The Devil Went Down to Georgia full comboed on expert? Can you get the muscle memorization down and not miss over 3 thousand notes? GH is tougher than it looks. I've had to memorize over 200 star paths for songs *points in time in which to activate star power to gain the highest possible score when 100%ing a song* Those aren't things your average 10 year old GH player does. There's multiple layers to being good at guitar hero just like starcraft... everything takes time... games are easy to learn but difficult to master... I know this.
You think... She's ranting about Guitar hero again? But here's my point...Skills like that will come in handy. My ability to memorize over 200 star paths can help with my ability to memorize hot keys... my ability to move my fingers fast enough to hit crazy solos in dragonforce songs will help to navigate the keyboard and execute moves. No more proving myself via text... next step is physically doing it. I'll have to keep a blog or something of my progress.
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On January 13 2009 17:23 StarSlay3r wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2009 17:15 Resonance wrote:
There's a huge skill difference in being incredible @ guitar hero and being incredible @ starcraft. There aren't pro guitar hero leagues like there are pro starcraft leagues. The pros @ this game practice for like 11 hours a day. They do nothing BUT play this game, and they have been for years. You really can't compare any other game (in terms of depth) to starcraft.
OMG! No we don't have masses of Koreans dedicating their lives to GH but I can tell you that for a whole year I played guitar hero for 70 hours a week dedicating my life to it basically, and I wasn't alone. I practiced for 6 solid months for the world cyber games... Geoff knows how intense that can be. I got to the highest ranking of 5th in the world on the most recent Guitar Hero (World Tour)... then had to take a break to practice other games. Have you seen The Devil Went Down to Georgia full comboed on expert? Can you get the muscle memorization down and not miss over 3 thousand notes? GH is tougher than it looks. I've had to memorize over 200 star paths for songs *points in time in which to activate star power to gain the highest possible score when 100%ing a song* Those aren't things your average 10 year old GH player does. There's multiple layers to being good at guitar hero just like starcraft... everything takes time... games are easy to learn but difficult to master... I know this. You think... She's ranting about Guitar hero again? But here's my point...Skills like that will come in handy. My ability to memorize over 200 star paths can help with my ability to memorize hot keys... my ability to move my fingers fast enough to hit crazy solos in dragonforce songs will help to navigate the keyboard and execute moves. No more proving myself via text... next step is physically doing it. I'll have to keep a blog or something of my progress.
Alright, well you heard my opinion. It sounds like your really interested in this game so I won't repeat myself anymore. If you are going to pursue it, you should tell us where you are @ like every 3 months or so skill-wise b/c I'm really curious to see how good somebody can get @ this game from scratch, actually trying hard.
And no lol I don't play guitar hero, just a couple of times with friends.
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seriously, this game gets FRUSTRATING. you build up your shit from nothing, and some cheese build ends up wasting all your time. you can lose the game in a matter of seconds. that, at least for me, was the most annoying part of this game. took a while to get used to "manner" gaming (there really isn't manner gaming in any other game). you always have to gracefully type out. keep spamming those smileys. grudgingly look over your loss replay to see what went wrong. the attitude to play starcraft took the longest to build up.
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Wow you are insanely cool, haha. Once you get the basics down look me up and I'll train with you for a bit on my offraces.
You have a good point about the learning curve not being as steep for you. I think your two main advantages will be ease of macroing on the keyboard and picking up game cycles more quickly (this involves having an intuitive sense of timing and learning some patterns you'll have to repeat throughout the game; things you should be pretty good at). You obviously have the ability to completely dedicate yourself so you could get very good much faster than most tl'ers are giving you credit for. It's just so rare to see brand new people starting to play at this stage; some of us have been doing this for 10 years so you have a ways to catch up. ^^
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Oh you're a girl? Cool I didn't know that.
The more women in starcraft the better imo.
My helping out on ventrilo offer still stands 
BTW Guitar hero and starcraft have a ton of similarities. They're both fast paced. In both, making one tiny mistake in the blink of an eye can easily cost you the game. In both you need to do a lot of memorization. Both take a lot of hand-eye coordination/muscle memory.
If you practice as often as you did with guitar hero you'll be doing really well in no time. When I first started playing seriously I only practiced like probably an hour a day or so and I got to C- in less than a year without actually dedicating myself really (I didn't care enough to watch replays, and watching your own replays is the #1 way to improve besides simply playing).
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On January 09 2009 12:34 ~_~ wrote:if you are looking for noobs i think you will have more luck looking on this site http://www.gosugamers.net/
Rofl!
Oh..btw don't play on battle.net until you can beat computers easily cause if you can't beat computers you won't stand a chance on B.NET. Practicing against comps is good for newbs IMO to learn how to adapt and to know what unit(s) beats what unit(s). And one last tip: choose race early and stick with it, it's hard to stick to one but you will learn easier and faster. (barely i can stick to my current race)
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On January 09 2009 12:35 Resonance wrote:
oh god lol, never played starcraft before? oh man, I'm not joking when I say "be prepared to lose....A LOT". I'm going to estimate that you will have about 99% lose ratio for like the first 4 months you play, I'm being absolutely serious. Hell, you will probably lose your first 495/500 games.
But @ least you are taking initiative in playing the best game ever made! The reason why it's so hard to play this game well is simply because so many other people are so good. Heck, even myself, if I compared myself to somebody (such as yourself), who has never played starcraft before, I am an amazing player. However, in the competitive starcraft world, I am frigging horrible. So don't be discouraged if you have been playing weekends for a year straight and you still can't believe that you are a bad player.
If you really stick w/it you will see how cool this game really is.
I agree with this post.... be prepared to lose a lot but stick with it and you'll see how much skill depth there is in the game, you can play for years and still be learning every match.
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