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On January 10 2009 09:20 fusionsdf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2009 03:28 kidd wrote:
random dude posts this : 5 repsones tops
random girl with pictures and myspace in quote : 5 pages
The best way to learn any game is just to play it. Figure out what you did wrong, watch replays and repeat. If you are good at other games then it should be second nature to at least be "decent" at this. its not because shes a girl. At least thats not why I'm doing it. Its because shes a competitive gamer who actually sounds interested in putting in the effort to learn the game and become good at it, and she can help represent starcraft to the other communities if she enjoys it. TL isn't going to waste 5 pages on some random noob (guy or girl) who is probably just going to give up and play mario or UMS or something. The are tons of noobs who make threads saing I'm a noob, need help and then just dont ever really put in the time. So I need something special for me to put in the effort. In this case, I doing it for incontrol, to show a competitive player from another field not just how to play starcraft, but why its important and why it should be appreciated, and I can be a bit more certain shes not going to play 2 games and give up easily unless it really isnt her type of game. This might not seem important, but when you realize how much the success of a game as an e-sport depends on the number of fans watching it, you'll realize how important to get influential or semi-influential people in the community aware of starcraft. Not saying shes on the same level of notoriety or anywhere close, but it was absolutely huge when jeremy from purepwnage started talking about park jung suk and the golden mouse and how awesome starcraft is, just like it would be huge if a top counterstrike player made a blog about starcraft. so yeah, I mean one person isnt going to do all that much, but if we want broodwar (or any of its successors) to have a shot to become a serious e-sport outside of korea/china we have to get more people involved. Again, I'm not saying shes Heaton or moon or purepwnage or anything, but I think we should help out edit: to condense that down, really I'm just doing it because inc invited her here and I dont want us to come off as one of those shitty communities.
This may be the case, and to keep this from derailing the thread any further I will just say that you make a good point but I still have my doubts. I guess call me the robin hood of the noobs here because I've seen some many veterin trolls who do stupid shit that noobs would be burned at a stake for.
I would love to see the OP give us some updates of her progress and hard work (possibly a blog) because a lot of the replies in this thread are really helpful in themselves and probably will just be looked over if she does "decide to just play mario or ums."
Anyways good luck, and there is some really good advice in this thread for all beginners to learn this game.
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Call me crazy, but isn't she one of the contestants that's going to come out with iNcontroL in that http://www.wcgultimategamer.com show? Seems like her, as her pictures in myspace connect to clips that come out in the trailer. My guess is iNc got her hooked on SC, and for that I give you two thumbs up  .
disclaimer: nobody told me of any of these, so ez to match faces.
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I came into the starcraft scene just about 6 months ago. I first saw the GSI with nick casting, and i thought, wow Starcraft has a lot of entertainment value! It's not too late to get into starcraft like I did. I think the best advice i can get is to get a mentor or a practice partner, (if you have a mentor make sure he knows what he's doing) and play with them alot. Eventually you'll get accustomed to the game, and the feel for the game.
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She can be the next pro-zia.
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find me on BW, I will use my offrace to verse u
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lol Blizzcon > PAX, duh!
The thing about Starcraft is, its not one of those games you can just play in your room or with friends a lot and get better, and also there is no end all source of information, or strategy, it is all relative to your skill level. The metagame is always evolving on different maps, matchups and especially skill levels. For instance, there are builds you can try and emulate in pro play that if not executed perfectly you will just get steamrolled.
Some of these beginner guides on TL will help get you started but the thing is, you can't just expect to get good from excessive play. If you enjoy "winning" this might not be the game for you, as some of the best pros who get paid to play this game have less than a 50% win rate.
Who knows, You could jump in a female league and play with a bunch of girls possibly do well, but other than that, these SC tourneys that do exist will be vatted out with seasoned players. In the world of Starcraft anyone who has been playing it less than 2-3 years is usually considered a "noob". Not trying to talk down to you at all, but for someone who plays other games and is used to pounding newbs, ICCUP gives you a whole new perspective on competitive gaming.
The female leagues (that lasted one season in Korea) (as with females in general) don't tend to make it too far at this game. Only one notably has been successful, but in the long run that will help you out. I can't think of very many foreigner females (aka non koreans) who play this game and are really any good. Also the men who do dominate this game, are very very dedicated to it. So if your ultimate goal is going pro and winning money, I would advise you to join a female CS team and get sponsored by Nvidia or something, because you wont get that kind of attention with Starcraft. Many gaming tournaments are actually removing Starcraft from their roster of games to play.... partially because they want to Cater to the masses, so good luck with those 500 dollar local tournaments... even in a place like LA you would find it difficult.
That being said its fun to play, fun to watch, and if you really did want to play, you would get a lot of help from players of C+, B- caliber or above to even help you, and if you have a natural knack for games, as it seems like you do, you should progress quickly, but progressing doesnt mean winning. Each time you get better (especially on ICCUP) you will just be demoralized if you play to win each time you go from rank to rank. I have been playing for 4 months and I still haven't made it out of D+, but compared to having a 1-11 D- when I first started, I'll take it.
Anywho best of luck to ya
Edit: Question, why do you refer to yourself as a "gamer girl" instead of a gamer? just curious lol
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^^ Interesting question ToSs.Bag, we don't call ourselves "gamer guys".
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
I agree with finishing the single player modes of both StarCraft and Brood War. In single mode don't play to finish mission but to annihilate everything in every mission. If your a new player read this: http://www.entropyzero.org/Physician10com.html then go finish up the single player modes.
Problem is by the time you start being good enough to make the most of incontrol's advice or anyone decent at this game for that matter, StarCraft 2 will be out and our minds will sucked away into ten more years of agony, despair and wasted moments. StarCraft has an evil side. Are you really sure you want to play StarCraft?
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On January 10 2009 11:34 thoraxe wrote:Call me crazy, but isn't she one of the contestants that's going to come out with iNcontroL in that http://www.wcgultimategamer.com show? Seems like her, as her pictures in myspace connect to clips that come out in the trailer. My guess is iNc got her hooked on SC, and for that I give you two thumbs up . disclaimer: nobody told me of any of these, so ez to match faces.
Yes she is.
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what it do. If you play on east and wanna have some fun add me (/f a lasgen). I play with a couple rl friends and random people I've met on bnet.
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Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
On January 11 2009 02:16 thoraxe wrote:
^^ Interesting question ToSs.Bag, we don't call ourselves "gamer guys".
Erm, because outside of WoW, gamers are almost always inherently male?
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Ok ok! Sorry I've been working so much overtime I haven't been able to get back online since. Today I got something pretty awesome. Thanks to tips from you guys I have made my purchase!
I found out my roommate not only plays WOW but used to play a lot of SC so he is going to help me while I start off on the single player campaign with the hot keys and such.
The race I'm choosing to start with are the Zerg. I am told this is a hard race to master but can be quite useful.
I am in talks with Commodore gaming with getting my own custom uber gaming rig. I'm taking this very seriously... I hope you all understand this. I wouldn't invest time/money into getting a pc just to drop it and go off and play some game on DS just to set things straight. I used to be VERY into PC but due to losing my rig a couple years ago I was forced to stick to console. I have been looking for the perfect game to get me back into PC and it looks like this and Unreal with be the two games I concentrate my time on with Starcraft being primary.
I have the dedication to do this... now all I need is the time. I am currently working 6 days a week and am gone from 6am to 8pm every day. I'm working on switching my job to one that is closer so I have more time to practice.
I've gotten TONS of tips and intend on using all that I can remember. I will be starting on my roommates PC this sunday (campaign) then will be starting online once I finish that. I will be online ALL THE TIME once I get my own rig. :D
My info: AIM- r3yalSratS (I forgot my pw for StarSlay3r -_-)
My gaming blog: StarSlay3r.blogspot.com
X-fire: StarSlay3r
Let me know if you want to know anything else. :D Thanks for all the help!
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Just a side note since I was skimming through and noticed this...
"The female leagues (that lasted one season in Korea) (as with females in general) don't tend to make it too far at this game. Only one notably has been successful, but in the long run that will help you out. I can't think of very many foreigner females (aka non koreans) who play this game and are really any good."
Blah Blah Blah. Ok so I have boobs... doesn't mean I want to play with all girls. I want to get better... I don't know any girls that play SC, especially not any that are any good. I want to play with people who are good... not girls just because I'm one. If I was like that I'd have stayed in the PMS clan but I was sick of being part of a team that never wins anything. I am highly competitive and want to do well so I want to play with the best... not just some random girls that play. Ok... now that probably sounded mean to girls who ARE good... but it wasn't meant to be... I'm just saying I don't want to play with girls just because I am one, I want to play with good-awesome starcraft players in general and that's it.
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Once you hit up online(make sure you have iccup launcher and the like installed).
TL members for initial training and help can be found in
Op IRC
If no one happens to be on, harassing people on the irc channel can sometimes work as well.
Good luck on the endeavors, and I expect you to surpass Inc quickly.
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iNcontroL
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Honestly, I don't even recommend playing the campaign...sure the plot is good and all, and some of the missions are fun...It tends to drone on after awhile and get kind of old. I might play a few of the missions, and then either go start practicing build orders/basic mechanics against computers or a friend. But, good luck. Be patient, and aware that you can always improve as a player, and soon you'll find you'll be beating D noobs like me :X.
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Braavos36402 Posts
Anyone want to put an over under at where she gets to on ICC, if she even makes it that far? I have faith given the attitude and that she's inc's friend... but I suspect the majority of the form is still very skeptical. Perhaps an abundance of doubters will provide even more motivation?
Poll time!
Poll: How Far?
(Vote): "Known"
(Vote): ICCup C or higher
(Vote): ICCup D/D+
(Vote): US East Pubbie
(Vote): Decent... for a girl.
(Vote): Quits before multiplayer
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On January 13 2009 14:48 StarSlay3r wrote:
Just a side note since I was skimming through and noticed this...
"The female leagues (that lasted one season in Korea) (as with females in general) don't tend to make it too far at this game. Only one notably has been successful, but in the long run that will help you out. I can't think of very many foreigner females (aka non koreans) who play this game and are really any good."
Blah Blah Blah. Ok so I have boobs... doesn't mean I want to play with all girls. I want to get better... I don't know any girls that play SC, especially not any that are any good. I want to play with people who are good... not girls just because I'm one. If I was like that I'd have stayed in the PMS clan but I was sick of being part of a team that never wins anything. I am highly competitive and want to do well so I want to play with the best... not just some random girls that play. Ok... now that probably sounded mean to girls who ARE good... but it wasn't meant to be... I'm just saying I don't want to play with girls just because I am one, I want to play with good-awesome starcraft players in general and that's it.
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Sorry to burst your bubble StarSlay3r, but I think you are being a little unrealistic.
The amount of time it takes to become "good" at starcraft is ridiculous. It takes years. Considering you have never really played the game, you cannot possibly understand how hard it is to become good @ this game, and I really don't expect you to.
So when you say, "I want to get really good", you really don't understand how much time you have to put into it to get good. First, I suggest you actually play the game,, for like 6 months. To get "good", you really gotta love this game. Like you gotta be so incredibly passionate about it and enjoy committing hours and hours to it.
Basically what I'm trying to say is this: I have seen and a lot of people like you who just want to get good @ this game but really don't understand what that really means, and they just get frustrated after 1 month, and quit sc altogether. I suggest you don't have a goal like that, and just play for fun. And while your playing for fun, you will also improve.
Btw I had your view when I first started playing low-money, and so has probably 85% of the people here @ TL, but it's really not realistic. So take my advice and just play for fun for a long time, and see where you are after that.
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