haha ok I had to start a new posting since I was adding stuff to the WCG one.
In short... I want to get Starcraft. I'm a n00b... I've never played before and honestly I don't know much about the game, but I want to try anyways. All I ever hear is positive things about the game and you can't bash a game that is SO addicting that it's one of the very few games that is still being played after about what... 10 years? CRAZY!
Anyways... I'm thinking of getting the game next week, and while I work... A LOT I want to try this out as a sort of weekend thing at first and see if I catch on. I'm wondering if any of you 1337 players would be willing to give me some tips or even play with me once I get my butt online and going.
If so... please let me know. :D You know where to find me. Thanks in advance!
oh god lol, never played starcraft before? oh man, I'm not joking when I say "be prepared to lose....A LOT". I'm going to estimate that you will have about 99% lose ratio for like the first 4 months you play, I'm being absolutely serious. Hell, you will probably lose your first 495/500 games.
But @ least you are taking initiative in playing the best game ever made! The reason why it's so hard to play this game well is simply because so many other people are so good. Heck, even myself, if I compared myself to somebody (such as yourself), who has never played starcraft before, I am an amazing player. However, in the competitive starcraft world, I am frigging horrible. So don't be discouraged if you have been playing weekends for a year straight and you still can't believe that you are a bad player.
If you really stick w/it you will see how cool this game really is.
I recommend checking out gomtv.net Starcraft, the english commentary with Tasteless is hilarious and informative, more informative now with susie proposing strategy questions to him.
You may want at some point to post one of your games on the Strategy forum. Pick one that you've lost bad and have no clue what the hell happened, then make a new [H] thread with your replay, a short analysis of your game and highlight some points you'd like to improve. See the Asking for Help section of the Strategy Forum Guidelines.
My advice is to watch progames. If you enjoy the progaming scene you'll keep playing even if you get frustrated if nothing else just to emulate your favorite players. A significant portion of this site no longer play BW regularly and watch instead; there are many ways to enjoy this game!
Read the strategy section here AFTER you play a lil bit. I am guessing this is one of your first RTS experiences and if that is the case you are going to want to pace yourself. This is a frustrating, HARD game to play. The good news is you can literally go _anywhere_ and SOMEONE will have heard/played this game. If you can find anyone at work, amongst your friends or something to play LAN with or dork around with you will enjoy it more. Until then you have me to entertain and work with you!
-read strategy forum -watch some vods (not too many, that is for later when you understand the game better) -ask lots of questions here -don't get mad at losing, get pumped and want to do better -practice!
If you hunker down and get _any_ kind of skill in this game you will be raised up as a hero. Seriously NO girls play this game.
PS: This is one of my girls. If some guys feel the need to be complete dicks for the simple reason that she is a girl I would advise you do not do that. She is an awesome human being and deserves initial respect. If not because I ask then because of what she is in the gaming world, a celebrity.
I recommend playing through the single player campaign all the way through to get a feel for what everything is and the tutorial. Start slow and just learn what the units do and how you can control them. Once you have a basic understanding of the game, then I think it'll be useful to play with other people to learn from them.
On January 09 2009 13:47 beefhamburger wrote: I recommend playing through the single player campaign all the way through to get a feel for what everything is and the tutorial. Start slow and just learn what the units do and how you can control them. Once you have a basic understanding of the game, then I think it'll be useful to play with other people to learn from them.
Also, easy big guy, nobody's gonna mess around with her. :p.
Edit: Why wouldn't you be sure?, People already know she's a "celebrity" in the whole gaming world, and I wonder, what would it look like if some faggot from here, messed with her?. That wouldn't be too good for anyone, and specially, for TL.
On January 09 2009 13:53 funkie wrote: Also, easy big guy, nobody's gonna mess around with her. :p.
I wouldn't be so sure.
To OP: I'd be happy to play some games with you, I'm not terribly good either and have some time coming up for a few practice games. PM me here if you feel up to it! The best way to get better has always and will always be to play!!
A few good replay sites include:
YGosu.com Replays.net (you have to click the SC section) TL (duh) gosugamers.net reps.ru
For the non-english ones, it helps to have google translate them for you :D
On January 09 2009 13:40 {88}iNcontroL wrote: If not because I ask then because of what she is in the gaming world, a celebrity.
May I ask how you are a celebrity in the gaming world? (And since you apparently are, can I get a game with you sometime Don't worry, I'm not very good)
On January 09 2009 13:40 {88}iNcontroL wrote: If not because I ask then because of what she is in the gaming world, a celebrity.
May I ask how you are a celebrity in the gaming world? (And since you apparently are, can I get a game with you sometime Don't worry, I'm not very good)
On January 09 2009 13:40 {88}iNcontroL wrote: If not because I ask then because of what she is in the gaming world, a celebrity.
May I ask how you are a celebrity in the gaming world? (And since you apparently are, can I get a game with you sometime Don't worry, I'm not very good)
lol wow INcontrol is def. just that in this forum.
To answer questions.
1- WHY SC AND WHY NOW? I play mostly console ever since my PC died on me on my way from norCal to Texas for QuakeCon 2007. Ever since then I haven't had one to play games on til now. I used to be an FPS (mainly Quake and Unreal) player and spent entirely too much time practicing on those to get into Starcraft. That is why I am a n00b at the game. I WANT to start now because of Geoff. He made it seem really cool, and I have recently started noticing exactly how big this game is. I am a competitive person. I love to compete, and even more so I love to win. With how big this game is there would be plenty of competitions to keep me busy. Console tournaments are sprinkled throughout the year and often have crappy prizes.
2- CELEBRITY? I am known for Guitar Hero. I'm trying to get away from that. I am known as "Judy Nails" a character from the game and am a top playing player in the nation/ world. But like I said, I'm trying to get away from that and explore new genres other then rhythm or fps.
3- BLAH BLAH BLAH YOU SUCK BLAH BLAH BLAH Yeah yeah I'm a self admitted n00b... be nice! Thanks Geoff for having my back, but seriously guys... give the n00b a chance! How can I ever escape the dreaded n00b status if you 1337 punks just bash me and don't help me out? SERIOUSLY! heh
4- YOU HAVE T3H B00BZ? Don't help me just cuz I'm a girl. Help me because I am a serious gamer and I'm asking for your help and you are awesome and kind and nice and all that. (cuz you are aren't you?)
On January 09 2009 14:28 StarSlay3r wrote: lol wow INcontrol is def. just that in this forum.
To answer questions.
1- WHY SC AND WHY NOW? I play mostly console ever since my PC died on me on my way from norCal to Texas for QuakeCon 2007. Ever since then I haven't had one to play games on til now. I used to be an FPS (mainly Quake and Unreal) player and spent entirely too much time practicing on those to get into Starcraft. That is why I am a n00b at the game. I WANT to start now because of Geoff. He made it seem really cool, and I have recently started noticing exactly how big this game is. I am a competitive person. I love to compete, and even more so I love to win. With how big this game is there would be plenty of competitions to keep me busy. Console tournaments are sprinkled throughout the year and often have crappy prizes.
2- CELEBRITY? I am known for Guitar Hero. I'm trying to get away from that. I am known as "Judy Nails" a character from the game and am a top playing player in the nation/ world. But like I said, I'm trying to get away from that and explore new genres other then rhythm or fps.
3- BLAH BLAH BLAH YOU SUCK BLAH BLAH BLAH Yeah yeah I'm a self admitted n00b... be nice! Thanks Geoff for having my back, but seriously guys... give the n00b a chance! How can I ever escape the dreaded n00b status if you 1337 punks just bash me and don't help me out? SERIOUSLY! heh
4- YOU HAVE T3H B00BZ? Don't help me just cuz I'm a girl. Help me because I am a serious gamer and I'm asking for your help and you are awesome and kind and nice and all that. (cuz you are aren't you?)
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if you are new to starcraft, you MUST watch this video:
to use the 7x patcher, in the top right of the program it says "CD: 7x" change that to CD: Normal, then patch to 1.15.3 and just keep the patcher around you will need it to switch between bnet and iccup since blizzard is so fuckin lazy, oh i'd login to bnet first and patch to 1.16 if you just installed since i dont know what would happen if you patched with 7x on a fresh install
I feel sad... I have no clue what's happening. I see lil creatures getting some blue stuff and bringing it back to the base then fighting... and blood... which I know is the "intense" part... and... yeah if he was at least speaking in English I might know what I'm watching. The fact that I am an UBER n00b has just set in. I really don't know ANYTHING about this game. I mean I kinda get that since the 1st dude destroyed all of the other dudes stuff he won... but I don't get everything else.
Finish the whole campaign first. Would probably take about a week or two. Then choose a race (probably Protoss) and start practicing vs computer (easier) or online (might get owned 24/7).
ok luckily when you type in "Starcraft Noob" into youtube you find all sorts of videos. I get it now... a lil bit more anyways. The objective of the game seems pretty simple... pulling off the moves not so much. From what I hear beating the computer is a lot easier than beating people online since you can outsmart the computer by doing things like making buildings with just barracks to distract or scare the computer and things of that nature...
Well I'm going to just keep reading up about this online and watching videos until I get the game. Once I get it I'll start the campaign as you guys suggested and I WILL be back to bug you guys with questions. :D Thanks for all of your help.
On January 09 2009 15:17 meegrean wrote: Finish the whole campaign first. Would probably take about a week or two 3 days. Then choose a race (probably Protoss) and start practicing vs computer (easier) or online (might get owned 24/7).
I'll go ahead and explain the basic tenets of an RTS game so the OP can have a better idea of how things work.
Real-Time Strategy games like Starcraft have one overarching goal: Build up a strong military force, and crush your opponent's force.
But just like in real life, you need certain things in order to build an army. You need facilities in which to train soldiers, centers of command where orders are issued, and above all, the money to pay for all of this. In Starcraft, the money is called "minerals," and they're the blue things you saw that creature bringing back to the base. Those "creatures" are called worker units--their only purpose is to gather minerals so you can get more money and pay for more stuff.
Now, what to do with this money? Well, you need to build up your base. At the start of the game, you'll only be able to build a couple of buildings. Once you have built these couple of buildings however, you'll "unlock" the ability to build more, different buildings. For instance, in order to build a "Factory," you need to have successfully built a "Barracks." There are several levels of this, known as the "tech tree."
But buildings are no good if you can't get soldiers to fight your battles. Specific buildings allow you to produce military units out of them. For instance, you can train rifle-wielding Marines out of the aforementioned "Barracks." You can build tanks out of a "Factory." Every unit has its own uses, and almost all of them are important to the game. To do well, you have to understand what each unit does, and in what situations it is best used. That way, you can create the ideal army to deal with any situation.
That's the underlying method behind how Starcraft works. Get money with worker units, spend that money on buildings, then get military units out of those buildings. Use those units to defeat your enemy. There's much, much, more to this game of course, and lots of subtleties and such that you'll learn in time, but that's the general idea.
I recommend playing through the campaign first, as it will help you get comfortable with how the game plays.
On January 09 2009 15:07 StarSlay3r wrote: I feel sad... I have no clue what's happening. I see lil creatures getting some blue stuff and bringing it back to the base then fighting... and blood... which I know is the "intense" part... and... yeah if he was at least speaking in English I might know what I'm watching. The fact that I am an UBER n00b has just set in. I really don't know ANYTHING about this game. I mean I kinda get that since the 1st dude destroyed all of the other dudes stuff he won... but I don't get everything else.
haha
well that was zerg vs protoss. zerg has all the slimey stuff (creep) and protoss is the other kind of alien.
In starcraft, the goal is to defeat the opponent, which can be done two ways: one, force your opponent to concede (usually by typing gg) and leave, or destroy all their buildings.
In this game TT (the protoss at the 3 o clock position) goes for a very agressive zealot build. Zealots are the protoss' first attacking unit and are very strong. One zealot is equal to 2-4 zerglings (the skinny attacking things that savior gets first to attack with) depending on micro.
An agressive zealot build is fairly popular on that map because of the relatively short rush distances, but mainly because the natural expansion is difficult to take early on. The game develops into an elimination race where both players try and kill all of each other's buildings before the opponent can do the same first. This is why TT (the protoss) hides that pylon. If savior can't find it, TT will eliminate savior before savior can eliminate him.
The point I was trying to put across with that video wasnt neccessarily the strategy or understanding, but just to show the excitement some games can have. If you want more highlights, try searching for pimpest plays on youtube.
there are also many casters on youtube with varying levels of skills. In general, I would trust things said by artosis or tasteless much more than random youtube commentators, but for very basic things, they might work for you. Some youtube commentators are diggity, moletrap, klazart, psyonicreaver (I think thats the name)
You can download the game on iccup.com and play on iCCup Servers, this is pretty much where most comparative players play these days. This is also the best place to improve i guess THO it is really hard and you will probably go 5/100 wins/lose at the beginning, but atleast you can start playing
edit: ugh can't find the download anymore weird =| maybe someone could upload it on Rapidshare or soemthing
The single player campaign is at least a good introduction to the units, tech tree, and abilities (although make sure you patch the game before playing them), but you'll have to unlearn any "strategy" that you picked up while playing it. Having someone teach you in person would be much easier than learning online only, for sure.
On January 09 2009 15:24 hugitout wrote: ya but at D level there is alot of really terrible players, with some basic tips and strategies from us im sure she can pull better then 5/100
true, but even D level players have some experience and already know some basics he doesn't even have the game yet
yeah there is some decent D level i know but mixed in is people who are playing on iccup because its free to play there, and those guys dont have a fucking clue what is going on AT ALL, and if you make public D games more then 5 out of 100 people who join will be this type of person
First, play through at least a little of the single player missions. This will give you a feel for what all of the units do, and how the game flows in general.
Next, play the computer a few times on single player, to get a sense of what a normal game is like. (Don't overdo this, the computer doesn't play like a human does)
Read a few strategy guides. Teamliquid has a great section of them here.
Try watching a few strategic VOD's, the teamliquid youtube channel has some good ones here.
Visit iCCup so that you can register and download what's required to get onto their servers. ICCup is basically the best ladder right now. Someone already linked that stuff to you, and you should be able to figure it out anyway.
Play games. A lot of games. The average skill level has gone up for 10 years, and it's still rising. You'll lose a lot of games, unless you're some sort of mutant superhuman (which if you are, I won't judge you for it.)
If you run into trouble, post in the strategy forum here. (and if you are willing, drop the fact that you're a girl in about half of your threads, and calculate whether the average number of responses changes at all; I'm interested if it would have an effect.)
I hope this helps. Basically, get a feel for the game, then get a feel for the strategy, and then play games like crazy, until you have the mechanics. If you see me on iccup (CDRrules) feel free to message me for a game. For some people, downloading and analyzing replays helps them (BWchart is a very useful replay analyzing tool), some people watch VOD's of professional games to learn from their build orders, and some people study from their own replays. Overall though, I think that the answer is just playing more games. Which is probably why I suck.
lol Thanks for all of your help. :D I have been reading all of your responses and I appreciate the thorough ones. :D Like I said... I'm a noob now but I love to learn and learn quickly. Thanks again!
I suggest you don't take pro games too seriously unlike what many people here are saying (im talking the korean pro-games).
Their level of playing is so advanced. Unless you know what they are doing and why, then don't bother. I suggest you play vs the computer to start, and just know what buildings do what, what units do what, etc.
That will actually take a while by itself so start there.
On January 09 2009 15:47 StarSlay3r wrote: lol Thanks for all of your help. :D I have been reading all of your responses and I appreciate the thorough ones. :D Like I said... I'm a noob now but I love to learn and learn quickly. Thanks again!
just curious, since you aren't familiar with the progaming scene, why did you select the SK Telecom T1 icon? any particular reason?
On January 09 2009 13:40 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Yeah starslay3r dabble!
Read the strategy section here AFTER you play a lil bit. I am guessing this is one of your first RTS experiences and if that is the case you are going to want to pace yourself. This is a frustrating, HARD game to play. The good news is you can literally go _anywhere_ and SOMEONE will have heard/played this game. If you can find anyone at work, amongst your friends or something to play LAN with or dork around with you will enjoy it more. Until then you have me to entertain and work with you!
-read strategy forum -watch some vods (not too many, that is for later when you understand the game better) -ask lots of questions here -don't get mad at losing, get pumped and want to do better -practice!
If you hunker down and get _any_ kind of skill in this game you will be raised up as a hero. Seriously NO girls play this game.
PS: This is one of my girls. If some guys feel the need to be complete dicks for the simple reason that she is a girl I would advise you do not do that. She is an awesome human being and deserves initial respect. If not because I ask then because of what she is in the gaming world, a celebrity.
dont be afraid to play the computer AI and master it. play the campaigns. learn to enjoy the game and youll be good at it. and i like the comment about be prepared to lose. go to battlenet, now adays, and all youll find are the hardcores. 99% of those people fall into the "way way too much starcraft" crowd. and yes, this game rules.
On January 09 2009 15:47 StarSlay3r wrote: lol Thanks for all of your help. :D I have been reading all of your responses and I appreciate the thorough ones. :D Like I said... I'm a noob now but I love to learn and learn quickly. Thanks again!
just curious, since you aren't familiar with the progaming scene, why did you select the SK Telecom T1 icon? any particular reason?
On January 09 2009 15:47 StarSlay3r wrote: lol Thanks for all of your help. :D I have been reading all of your responses and I appreciate the thorough ones. :D Like I said... I'm a noob now but I love to learn and learn quickly. Thanks again!
just curious, since you aren't familiar with the progaming scene, why did you select the SK Telecom T1 icon? any particular reason?
Why not?
Obviously it's Boxer, she just doesn't want to admit it. I can't blame her though, the man's damn sexy. + Show Spoiler +
On January 09 2009 15:47 StarSlay3r wrote: lol Thanks for all of your help. :D I have been reading all of your responses and I appreciate the thorough ones. :D Like I said... I'm a noob now but I love to learn and learn quickly. Thanks again!
just curious, since you aren't familiar with the progaming scene, why did you select the SK Telecom T1 icon? any particular reason?
Why not?
Theres no particular reason why not, but its kind of like picking a random sports team, you should have a reason to choose it, even if its as trivial as "i like the way the logo looks."
On January 09 2009 12:15 lokiM wrote: some 1337 players need to teach this n00b
LOLOL play nice
And to the op, if you don't know much, why is your fav team Samsung Khan?
I find most Khan fans don't know to much about starcraft.
I dont know if we can be friends anymore =(
To the OP
I'm willing to be a beating post/helpful advisor on Iccup when im on. I'm not the best player, but my general mechanics are fairly decent for my level(which is only like D+ish) So id be happy to help.
I'm really really new/bad at Starcraft/RTS genre as well and I have plenty of free time, if the OP (or anyone else who's in a similar situation) wants to practice a bit against someone who's, uh...horrible. Toss me a PM or something.
Here is a the best tip anyone can ever give you. Right this down. Ok first you start off making probes and rallying them to your minerals. Be sure to have all of them mining. Send out your 6th probe to the middle of the map. At 8/9 supply build a pylon in the middle of the map. Make a 9th probe. Then just let your probes mine and once you get 150 minerals make a gateway. Once you get 150 more minerals, make a gate way. Then scout for your opponent, keep up probe production, rally your gateways to his base and GG! PROTOSS FOR LIFE.
But, if you want to be a Zerg scum, split your drones, don't make a drone. Build a pool at 200 minerals, then wait. Once your pool finishes, sz, build your zerglings from your 3 larvae. GO OWN YOUR OPPONENT. Rally your hatch to his base, once you find him. GG!
Note: Using these strategies could lead to violent/aggressive actions taken towards you after the game. BUT, the upside to these strategies are, you will most likely win AT LEAST half your games on the local battle.net server.
after you've played a few games and have an idea of how the units work watching some progamer highlight reels is a good way of getting motivated. There are some good general guides in the strategy forum recommended threads as well, to get you started.
Best advice I have seen in this thread is to play the single player campaign.
Pros
Introduces you to the units fairly well
Teaches you the general basics & commands (keep those hints on)
Will show you a bit of all three races, and then you can easily choose which one you liked best
Mixes in a bit of story, so that's entertaining also
I'm not positive, but I think most people started off this game by playing the campaign. It wouldn't hurt to follow the same path.
Cons
Takes awhile? (I would only guess a few days, but maybe you think that's a big deal)
Isn't going to teach you proper strategy (The unit combination's they teach you are mostly wrong.)
Some could argue it's a waste, but I guess that's a matter of opinion.
I don't think you can just show people replays or VODs and expect it to impress the hell out of them. Starcraft becomes something you enjoy and love over time IMO. I've tried to introduce people to the game and when I'm successful, it's where I ease them in gradually and let them fuck around with the units and single player. From my experience, if you immediately start telling them you CAN'T build this or CAN'T do that, it's too limiting and it's not fun.
Good luck; even though I don't agree with the special treatment exhibited in this thread.
Ok, this is the second noob thread that reached more than 2 pages, OP, consider yourself lucky. Most of the topics like this were closed and the OP was just told to search the strat forum.
I'm really willing to give some advice, edit your post and then post your race.
Go play the campaign, pick a race you want, then memorize the hot keys, then start owning AI's by figuring BO's by yourself (I did this, that's why I always did an 8 supply 11 rax build.)
Then after stomping AI, go online, get owned again, then go here for advices...if your looking for noobs, look for them in -_-'s post.
On January 09 2009 19:55 Infinity.SkyLark wrote: Ok, this is the second noob thread that reached more than 2 pages, OP, consider yourself lucky. Most of the topics like this were closed and the OP was just told to search the strat forum.
Agree. Hence:
On January 09 2009 19:36 Salv wrote:
Good luck; even though I don't agree with the special treatment exhibited in this thread.
It's the same as chess. You can't start showing people strategy and expect them to be impressed or learn from it if they still dont' know how the pieces move.
1. Play a bit of campaign with your favorite race to get the VERY basics.
2. Play skirmish against 1 CPU - Don't use any BO's, do it 100% yourself.
3. Play skirmish against 2 CPU (1on2) - Don't use any BO's, do it 100% yourself.
4. Go online, get raped, search advice, get advice, play again, get raped, play again, get raped, watch replays, get raped.... repeat for at least 3 Months - 2 years and it will get better.
4. Go online, get raped, search advice, get advice, play again, get raped, play again, get raped, watch replays, get raped.... repeat for at least 3 Months - 2 years and it will get better.
LOL, maybe not the best thing to tell new people coming into the game!
i remember i couldnt beat one computer for the longest time when i started. I think its good to start with the campaigns and see which race you like. Then wrestle with the computer for a while. You will probably have a hard time, but you do have much more resources then most of us when we started. If you dive right in there with multiplayer or even vs comps, it might be too frustrating. One things for sure though.. it will take alot of patience and a genuine interest in the game.
Starcraft is such a special game for me, and i guess for everybody else here. It is the only game i have played seriously online and probably the game that i played the most overall. I have this game since 1998 but could only play online since 2004. I'm also quite skilled at few "solo" games but even with a lot more dedication i'm still bad at starcraft.
Wait... i'm bad compared to most of the other players ( especially TeamLiquidians ). In term of "absolute" skill i'm godly compared to someone who never played it and i probably would have been a really strong player around 2000 but the players always get better and i'm just another D+ protoss (lol). Hence you can understand that the "key" word for broodwar is competition. I'm not talking about some high level tournaments with programmers, but about the massive amount of games you will have to play against another massive amount of different opponents to get better. This isn't some kind of game where you complete the missions then go online win and losses some games, but figure out how it works in two days than stop to play because it is boring.
No, it takes months to understand how this game really works and to get used to a not so noob friendly user interface.
Is Starcraft worth all this time ? Well i think you should just stop when you are tired
Personnally i don't know if i would play this game again if i had to learn all again from the beginning. This is the only game where i have so many good and bad memories. A game with bad memories, quite surprising isn't it ? Usually this is the kind of bad game that gets boring in two hours. Starcraft isn't. All the bad memories are related to his "competition aspect". You will have to get bashed over and over. Hopefully you will find plenty of good and nice TeamLiquid people to help you.
When i started to play online around 2004, i thought i was the shit because i could beat three computers ( with some gay turtle strat ) but i got bashed so hard even in " 2v2 noob" games that i almost quitted to play. Going somethin like 0-10 was really a shock. But it was the same when i started to play ladder. I had some kind of stupid arguments with my best 2v2 partner because this game is so intensive and need so much dedication that sometimes i forgot it was just a game and get mad for few seconds at some stupid errors ( by him or me ). When you go 0-10 in ladder it is a real pain too. Hopefully i'm less a sore looser nowadays too ( you need a lot of training too to get used to the constant bashing this game provides ). I had also a lot of bad memories with bad mannered people and hackers, so i would recommand you to play mostly with or against friends. When i started to play i was alone. None of my irl friends played this game. That wasn't cool because i had to learn this game all by myself + replays. The last and most important problem with this game is addiction ( i had some periods where i was badly addicted ). This game is a real "sport" and sometimes i need to play like i need to do some pull ups once in a while. I'm sometimes quite tired after an intensive game. You know, like after an hard math exam
But then there are so many good memories. Playing a lot of UMS ( funny maps with special rules ) with awesome people, playing few games with people considered good in the community, getting in a clan, bashing people worse than me ( YEA THAT'S FUN TOO :D ), achieving D+ 1v1 and C- 2v2 ranks, understanding how this game works, and hundred of amazing hours spend on this game :p.
I would recomand you to: - Play a bit the solo missions ( to get used with the units, races and building ). - Play vs one computer bot and beat him. - Play vs two and beat him. ( might be hard so you can skip this if you can't ). - Then go online play with Team liquid people ---> get bashed and read strategy threads + dl reps + watch Vods.
Then you could say that you have played the hardest game ( RTS ) ever made
I dont really know if iccup is the best place to start. I'd say compstomp offline-->compstomp online with some friend--->1:1 noob public games on bnet (not east)/2:2 bnet with friend-->iccup would be the best route. Also the iccup vs bnet thing might be confusing with all the patches.
Some basic things I used to focus on when I started out: Never stop building workers, build alot of unitproducing buildings, expand alot, scout. You will eventually stop building workers but I found it's better to focus on to never stop building them, just a mental thing. If you get those things down you can start to combine them with build orders.
Oh and if you want to play odd hours (as I'm in europe) you can always PM me.
EDIT:Also when watching replays you should download a good players ladder replay pack and not those reps found on this site. Then watch all the games that end befor 12minutes or so. Replays that get posted on most replay sites are for their entertainment value and obviously contains errors and such and will most likely be over your head. A perfectly executed build/strategy is way better if you want to learn something from replays. Like in most PvT reps the toss wont accomplish anyting with his dragoons, but you need to know why the toss send them out.
On January 10 2009 03:01 Eskii wrote: You know what I absolutely love? 10 years after this game came out people are still starting it from scratch, that is fucking beautiful.
do not start on iccup, and dont start by watching vods. that is just bad advice. Play the campaigns. After you play them and decide which race you like the most play skirmishes against 1 comp, then when you can handle that play against 2. after you can beat 2, either try 3 or start going online then. Being able to beat 3 comps still isnt good enough to be D on iccup, so just play with the other people from this thread that say they really suck. At this point you should also read a lot of strategy guides and start watching vods. Watching vods is pointless if you dont know the basics of the game already.
random dude posts this : 5 repsones tops random girl with pictures and myspace in quote : 5 pages
The best way to learn any game is just to play it. Figure out what you did wrong, watch replays and repeat. If you are good at other games then it should be second nature to at least be "decent" at this.
If you can get to the point where you can beat a computer, that's actually pretty good. That signifies that you have timing, and a build order that you can execute. After you have 1 build order that you can use against a computer, try to get more than one BO put together.
Watching vods will help you understand what makes everyone here so passionate about the game (especially the highlight reels). After you get some understanding of the game, you'll understand why:
The bisu build is such a big deal Boxer is a god (He's the chuck norris of SC) To get to the current level of good play you stand on the shoulders of giants etc.
I've been following this game for about 3 years, and you keep finding new things in it. Don't get discouraged by not being very good at playing- I'm still not any good.
have fun in the community as well. It's a fun place to be, ad we tend to be friendly. mostly.
I scanned through your posts here to see if you stated what race you want to play but didn't see anything.
I'm a C- protoss on iccup (if no one has explained this to you before, on iccup you start with 1000 points as D, and every 1000 points you raise in level, so like 2000 points is D+, 3000 is C-, and with each higher letter (not including minuses and plusses), it gets harder to stay at that level because you lose more points when you lose and you don't get as many points when you win).
I always enjoy teaching people, and you would be a fresh change from my friends that I always try to teach who are really reluctant to play the game because they hate losing so much.
I have a microphone and ventrilo, and if you want, I'll do multiple training sessions with you, but my requirement is that you have a microphone and install ventrilo. Teaching is really hard when you have to type everything you want to say. I've found it's soooo much easier if I can talk. There's so much to explain and teach, and it goes by pretty fast. It would take forever to type it all out.
If you have a microphone and you're interested, shoot me a PM. I have my own ventrilo server, so all you need is a microphone.
If not, or if you aren't planning on playing protoss, good luck with your learning
On January 10 2009 03:28 kidd wrote: random dude posts this : 5 repsones tops random girl with pictures and myspace in quote : 5 pages
The best way to learn any game is just to play it. Figure out what you did wrong, watch replays and repeat. If you are good at other games then it should be second nature to at least be "decent" at this.
Random Girl that is a professional gamer in her own right and is endorsed by Incontrol.
Seems to me that most of the people that I know that started playing late in this game all wanted to quit after a few weeks. The general sense of thinking everyone is better then you and getting use to the control of the game not only that but the speed of the game. The best advice I would give to you is just to stick with it until you find your comfort zone.
I started playing starcraft around 2 months ago. I watched some pro matches on youtube and decided to download the game (I tried the demo on my windows95)
I don't recommend doing the single player although that is up to you. I personally just started playing against the computer for a while until that was too easy. Then go on battle net and be prepared to feel demotivated.
On January 10 2009 03:28 kidd wrote: random dude posts this : 5 repsones tops random girl with pictures and myspace in quote : 5 pages
The best way to learn any game is just to play it. Figure out what you did wrong, watch replays and repeat. If you are good at other games then it should be second nature to at least be "decent" at this.
Actually, oddly enough a random dude posted this less than 2 weeks ago and got 9 pages. Very unusual for TL, must just be the Christmas spirit. :p
On January 10 2009 03:28 kidd wrote: random dude posts this : 5 repsones tops random girl with pictures and myspace in quote : 5 pages
The best way to learn any game is just to play it. Figure out what you did wrong, watch replays and repeat. If you are good at other games then it should be second nature to at least be "decent" at this.
Actually, oddly enough a random dude posted this less than 2 weeks ago and got 9 pages. Very unusual for TL, must just be the Christmas spirit. :p
Hahaha, both of you have very good points. I didn't even realize she was a girl at first. Go me?
1. Play through campaign. It'll teach you all the basics, etc. I played through the original SC and then Brood War when I was first starting, but you may want to jump right into Brood War. My recommendation is to start with the original SC campaign since it's much easier than Brood War Campaign. The Brood War campaign isn't exactly that hard for veteran players, but for players who just start out it may present a challenge if you jump right in it. The Brood War campaign is designed, after all, for players who have already beaten the original SC.
2. Play a few games against the CPU. Not too many. The computer will quickly become too easy, especially if you have already beaten the campaign.
3. Play a few games. My recommendation is not to play fastest or Big Game Hunters maps if you want to play competitively, as those maps are nothing like the actual maps that competitive players play on, though they can be entertaining. Play each race and get a feel for which one you are most comfortable with. Each one has pros and cons which you will have to learn. The game itself is like chess, but in real time, and there is a lot of strategy and techniques to learn. If you want to be really good, expect to put in a lot of hours and a lot of time into the game.
Also, watch a lot of pro players play. If you want, you can watch English commentaries of games, which may help you if you're just starting out. Most english commentators won't go too indepth in strategy, but they will point out basic techniques that you can use. You can search for english commentaries on Youtube. CholeraSC is one youtube commentator who's pretty good, and though I think his commentaries aren't the best for learning in depth Starcraft they're good for learning the basics of the game. Also, Tasteless is another good commentator. You can watch his games on gomtv.netYou want to observe the strategies the pros use.
Also, get a friend to help you. Once you've beaten campaign, played a few games online, and have a good feel for the controls, you still probably won't have a very good grasp of exact strategies and tactics, etc. These have to be learned. I would recommend playing with a friend who is better than you and is willing to play with you. Play a few games with them, and have them watch the replay of the game with you and point out your flaws. You will improve much more quickly if you do this. A good teacher can teach you techniques and strategies in a short time that would normally take much longer to learn on your own through trial and error. Expect to lose a lot in the beginning but get better and better gradually.
I would advize (like almost everyone else) playing the campaign first. Then move onto 1v1's w/ the comp and maybe 1v2's. This will help you get a feel for the game, the timings and units without really having to worry about complex builds and high apm. It's like chess. If you don't know the rules of the game, what's the point in learning all the openings, defenses, gambits and what not? Also, don't get discouraged if you lose because it happens to everyone. Hell, I first started I got raped by comps every time I played (although I was 6 or 7) /crappy advice from D-------------- protoss
On January 10 2009 03:28 kidd wrote: random dude posts this : 5 repsones tops random girl with pictures and myspace in quote : 5 pages
The best way to learn any game is just to play it. Figure out what you did wrong, watch replays and repeat. If you are good at other games then it should be second nature to at least be "decent" at this.
A girl whose important enough for inc to tell us to fuck off of. IDk who the hell she is tho.
EDIT: I think no one would have realized she was except for inc's post -_-; #1 Recommendation is to get a teacher. After your decently comfortable with the units a teacher will help you SO much. My little brother was mine...until I got online. It was good fun back in the day.
A teacher is hard to find because they have to be able to put up with your noobiness, but they can be SO beneficial. also they don't really have to be all that pro. Even a D+ or C- will look godly to you.
Definitely play through both the original and brood war campaigns. They cover the basics: the races, the units, the resources, the tech trees, etc. Also, you get a pretty decent storyline wrapping it all up. Keep in mind though it's nothing like multiplayer.
Honestly, I'm not sure if I would recommend playing the computer. playing against the computer is in multiplayer is very different than playing a human in multiplayer. Too many times have I practiced my PvZ (protoss vs. zerg) against the computer, winning with nothing but zealots, then playing my D- friend and being owned when he gets mutalisks. The other issue with the computer AI is there are several levels. after you start to get the hang of multiplayer, you'll find out the easiest AI is too easy to practice against (only sends a few waves of units then stops doing anything but mining) and the hardest is a total bitch. However, the computer can be good for finding a basic build order, but that's something you can also get by playing other newbies or asking someone else to help you.
As a clarinet player, I have to make the analogy to learning to play an instrument. Sure, you can learn yourself, but in most cases, it's faster and easier to get someone to teach you. Find a practice buddy, preferably in real life, but someone from the TL community is fine as well. Play against them, then watch the replays after the game. Look for things you can do better. I won't go into too much detail about what to look for now, but there's a couple of threads available about that.
Even though half of TL has already offered to play against you, it won't hurt if I offer as well. I am vAltyR on iccup, feel free to add me as a friend or PM me if you want to play. Best of luck to you.
On January 10 2009 03:28 kidd wrote: random dude posts this : 5 repsones tops random girl with pictures and myspace in quote : 5 pages
The best way to learn any game is just to play it. Figure out what you did wrong, watch replays and repeat. If you are good at other games then it should be second nature to at least be "decent" at this.
its not because shes a girl. At least thats not why I'm doing it. Its because shes a competitive gamer who actually sounds interested in putting in the effort to learn the game and become good at it, and she can help represent starcraft to the other communities if she enjoys it.
TL isn't going to waste 5 pages on some random noob (guy or girl) who is probably just going to give up and play mario or UMS or something. The are tons of noobs who make threads saing I'm a noob, need help and then just dont ever really put in the time. So I need something special for me to put in the effort.
In this case, I doing it for incontrol, to show a competitive player from another field not just how to play starcraft, but why its important and why it should be appreciated, and I can be a bit more certain shes not going to play 2 games and give up easily unless it really isnt her type of game.
This might not seem important, but when you realize how much the success of a game as an e-sport depends on the number of fans watching it, you'll realize how important to get influential or semi-influential people in the community aware of starcraft. Not saying shes on the same level of notoriety or anywhere close, but it was absolutely huge when jeremy from purepwnage started talking about park jung suk and the golden mouse and how awesome starcraft is, just like it would be huge if a top counterstrike player made a blog about starcraft.
so yeah, I mean one person isnt going to do all that much, but if we want broodwar (or any of its successors) to have a shot to become a serious e-sport outside of korea/china we have to get more people involved.
Again, I'm not saying shes Heaton or moon or purepwnage or anything, but I think we should help out
edit: to condense that down, really I'm just doing it because inc invited her here and I dont want us to come off as one of those shitty communities.
On January 10 2009 03:28 kidd wrote: random dude posts this : 5 repsones tops random girl with pictures and myspace in quote : 5 pages
The best way to learn any game is just to play it. Figure out what you did wrong, watch replays and repeat. If you are good at other games then it should be second nature to at least be "decent" at this.
its not because shes a girl. At least thats not why I'm doing it. Its because shes a competitive gamer who actually sounds interested in putting in the effort to learn the game and become good at it, and she can help represent starcraft to the other communities if she enjoys it.
TL isn't going to waste 5 pages on some random noob (guy or girl) who is probably just going to give up and play mario or UMS or something. The are tons of noobs who make threads saing I'm a noob, need help and then just dont ever really put in the time. So I need something special for me to put in the effort.
In this case, I doing it for incontrol, to show a competitive player from another field not just how to play starcraft, but why its important and why it should be appreciated, and I can be a bit more certain shes not going to play 2 games and give up easily unless it really isnt her type of game.
This might not seem important, but when you realize how much the success of a game as an e-sport depends on the number of fans watching it, you'll realize how important to get influential or semi-influential people in the community aware of starcraft. Not saying shes on the same level of notoriety or anywhere close, but it was absolutely huge when jeremy from purepwnage started talking about park jung suk and the golden mouse and how awesome starcraft is, just like it would be huge if a top counterstrike player made a blog about starcraft.
so yeah, I mean one person isnt going to do all that much, but if we want broodwar (or any of its successors) to have a shot to become a serious e-sport outside of korea/china we have to get more people involved.
Again, I'm not saying shes Heaton or moon or purepwnage or anything, but I think we should help out
edit: to condense that down, really I'm just doing it because inc invited her here and I dont want us to come off as one of those shitty communities.
This may be the case, and to keep this from derailing the thread any further I will just say that you make a good point but I still have my doubts. I guess call me the robin hood of the noobs here because I've seen some many veterin trolls who do stupid shit that noobs would be burned at a stake for.
I would love to see the OP give us some updates of her progress and hard work (possibly a blog) because a lot of the replies in this thread are really helpful in themselves and probably will just be looked over if she does "decide to just play mario or ums."
Anyways good luck, and there is some really good advice in this thread for all beginners to learn this game.
Call me crazy, but isn't she one of the contestants that's going to come out with iNcontroL in that http://www.wcgultimategamer.com show? Seems like her, as her pictures in myspace connect to clips that come out in the trailer. My guess is iNc got her hooked on SC, and for that I give you two thumbs up .
disclaimer: nobody told me of any of these, so ez to match faces.
I came into the starcraft scene just about 6 months ago. I first saw the GSI with nick casting, and i thought, wow Starcraft has a lot of entertainment value! It's not too late to get into starcraft like I did. I think the best advice i can get is to get a mentor or a practice partner, (if you have a mentor make sure he knows what he's doing) and play with them alot. Eventually you'll get accustomed to the game, and the feel for the game.
The thing about Starcraft is, its not one of those games you can just play in your room or with friends a lot and get better, and also there is no end all source of information, or strategy, it is all relative to your skill level. The metagame is always evolving on different maps, matchups and especially skill levels. For instance, there are builds you can try and emulate in pro play that if not executed perfectly you will just get steamrolled.
Some of these beginner guides on TL will help get you started but the thing is, you can't just expect to get good from excessive play. If you enjoy "winning" this might not be the game for you, as some of the best pros who get paid to play this game have less than a 50% win rate.
Who knows, You could jump in a female league and play with a bunch of girls possibly do well, but other than that, these SC tourneys that do exist will be vatted out with seasoned players. In the world of Starcraft anyone who has been playing it less than 2-3 years is usually considered a "noob". Not trying to talk down to you at all, but for someone who plays other games and is used to pounding newbs, ICCUP gives you a whole new perspective on competitive gaming.
The female leagues (that lasted one season in Korea) (as with females in general) don't tend to make it too far at this game. Only one notably has been successful, but in the long run that will help you out. I can't think of very many foreigner females (aka non koreans) who play this game and are really any good. Also the men who do dominate this game, are very very dedicated to it. So if your ultimate goal is going pro and winning money, I would advise you to join a female CS team and get sponsored by Nvidia or something, because you wont get that kind of attention with Starcraft. Many gaming tournaments are actually removing Starcraft from their roster of games to play.... partially because they want to Cater to the masses, so good luck with those 500 dollar local tournaments... even in a place like LA you would find it difficult.
That being said its fun to play, fun to watch, and if you really did want to play, you would get a lot of help from players of C+, B- caliber or above to even help you, and if you have a natural knack for games, as it seems like you do, you should progress quickly, but progressing doesnt mean winning. Each time you get better (especially on ICCUP) you will just be demoralized if you play to win each time you go from rank to rank. I have been playing for 4 months and I still haven't made it out of D+, but compared to having a 1-11 D- when I first started, I'll take it.
Anywho best of luck to ya
Edit: Question, why do you refer to yourself as a "gamer girl" instead of a gamer? just curious lol
I agree with finishing the single player modes of both StarCraft and Brood War. In single mode don't play to finish mission but to annihilate everything in every mission. If your a new player read this: http://www.entropyzero.org/Physician10com.html then go finish up the single player modes. Problem is by the time you start being good enough to make the most of incontrol's advice or anyone decent at this game for that matter, StarCraft 2 will be out and our minds will sucked away into ten more years of agony, despair and wasted moments. StarCraft has an evil side. Are you really sure you want to play StarCraft?
On January 10 2009 11:34 thoraxe wrote: Call me crazy, but isn't she one of the contestants that's going to come out with iNcontroL in that http://www.wcgultimategamer.com show? Seems like her, as her pictures in myspace connect to clips that come out in the trailer. My guess is iNc got her hooked on SC, and for that I give you two thumbs up .
disclaimer: nobody told me of any of these, so ez to match faces.
Ok ok! Sorry I've been working so much overtime I haven't been able to get back online since. Today I got something pretty awesome. Thanks to tips from you guys I have made my purchase!
I found out my roommate not only plays WOW but used to play a lot of SC so he is going to help me while I start off on the single player campaign with the hot keys and such.
The race I'm choosing to start with are the Zerg. I am told this is a hard race to master but can be quite useful.
I am in talks with Commodore gaming with getting my own custom uber gaming rig. I'm taking this very seriously... I hope you all understand this. I wouldn't invest time/money into getting a pc just to drop it and go off and play some game on DS just to set things straight. I used to be VERY into PC but due to losing my rig a couple years ago I was forced to stick to console. I have been looking for the perfect game to get me back into PC and it looks like this and Unreal with be the two games I concentrate my time on with Starcraft being primary.
I have the dedication to do this... now all I need is the time. I am currently working 6 days a week and am gone from 6am to 8pm every day. I'm working on switching my job to one that is closer so I have more time to practice.
I've gotten TONS of tips and intend on using all that I can remember. I will be starting on my roommates PC this sunday (campaign) then will be starting online once I finish that. I will be online ALL THE TIME once I get my own rig. :D
My info: AIM- r3yalSratS (I forgot my pw for StarSlay3r -_-) My gaming blog: StarSlay3r.blogspot.com X-fire: StarSlay3r
Let me know if you want to know anything else. :D Thanks for all the help!
Just a side note since I was skimming through and noticed this...
"The female leagues (that lasted one season in Korea) (as with females in general) don't tend to make it too far at this game. Only one notably has been successful, but in the long run that will help you out. I can't think of very many foreigner females (aka non koreans) who play this game and are really any good."
Blah Blah Blah. Ok so I have boobs... doesn't mean I want to play with all girls. I want to get better... I don't know any girls that play SC, especially not any that are any good. I want to play with people who are good... not girls just because I'm one. If I was like that I'd have stayed in the PMS clan but I was sick of being part of a team that never wins anything. I am highly competitive and want to do well so I want to play with the best... not just some random girls that play. Ok... now that probably sounded mean to girls who ARE good... but it wasn't meant to be... I'm just saying I don't want to play with girls just because I am one, I want to play with good-awesome starcraft players in general and that's it.
Honestly, I don't even recommend playing the campaign...sure the plot is good and all, and some of the missions are fun...It tends to drone on after awhile and get kind of old. I might play a few of the missions, and then either go start practicing build orders/basic mechanics against computers or a friend. But, good luck. Be patient, and aware that you can always improve as a player, and soon you'll find you'll be beating D noobs like me :X.
Anyone want to put an over under at where she gets to on ICC, if she even makes it that far? I have faith given the attitude and that she's inc's friend... but I suspect the majority of the form is still very skeptical. Perhaps an abundance of doubters will provide even more motivation?
Poll time!
Poll: How Far? (Vote): "Known" (Vote): ICCup C or higher (Vote): ICCup D/D+ (Vote): US East Pubbie (Vote): Decent... for a girl. (Vote): Quits before multiplayer
On January 13 2009 14:48 StarSlay3r wrote: Just a side note since I was skimming through and noticed this...
"The female leagues (that lasted one season in Korea) (as with females in general) don't tend to make it too far at this game. Only one notably has been successful, but in the long run that will help you out. I can't think of very many foreigner females (aka non koreans) who play this game and are really any good."
Blah Blah Blah. Ok so I have boobs... doesn't mean I want to play with all girls. I want to get better... I don't know any girls that play SC, especially not any that are any good. I want to play with people who are good... not girls just because I'm one. If I was like that I'd have stayed in the PMS clan but I was sick of being part of a team that never wins anything. I am highly competitive and want to do well so I want to play with the best... not just some random girls that play. Ok... now that probably sounded mean to girls who ARE good... but it wasn't meant to be... I'm just saying I don't want to play with girls just because I am one, I want to play with good-awesome starcraft players in general and that's it.
:D
Sorry to burst your bubble StarSlay3r, but I think you are being a little unrealistic.
The amount of time it takes to become "good" at starcraft is ridiculous. It takes years. Considering you have never really played the game, you cannot possibly understand how hard it is to become good @ this game, and I really don't expect you to.
So when you say, "I want to get really good", you really don't understand how much time you have to put into it to get good. First, I suggest you actually play the game,, for like 6 months. To get "good", you really gotta love this game. Like you gotta be so incredibly passionate about it and enjoy committing hours and hours to it.
Basically what I'm trying to say is this: I have seen and a lot of people like you who just want to get good @ this game but really don't understand what that really means, and they just get frustrated after 1 month, and quit sc altogether. I suggest you don't have a goal like that, and just play for fun. And while your playing for fun, you will also improve.
Btw I had your view when I first started playing low-money, and so has probably 85% of the people here @ TL, but it's really not realistic. So take my advice and just play for fun for a long time, and see where you are after that.
SCBW has never had more resources than now. It has an active ladder where you can get great games 24/7 and tight communities with plenty of professional game resources/non korean games etc. Strategy section etc.. I really think she can get comparable at the game and have fun sparring with nub/decent gamers in a month or so. She isn't shooting for pro level asap. Nothing says that imo. She wants to be good and is a competitive player who can do that.
edit: not that she likes it but being a girl means she will have a LOT more willing training partners/resources. She is my friend and she is a professional gamer in other games (knows what it takes). She certainly has what it takes.
So you basically think I'm going to give up because it takes time to get good? Oh man... I can't wait to prove you all wrong! I'm not paying 5 grand for a pc to use as a paper weight boys! I haven't quit playing Quake since it came out... if StarCraft proves to be the game it's hyped up to be I'm sure I'll continue playing for years.
On January 13 2009 16:58 StarSlay3r wrote: So you basically think I'm going to give up because it takes time to get good? Oh man... I can't wait to prove you all wrong! I'm not paying 5 grand for a pc to use as a paper weight boys! I haven't quit playing Quake since it came out... if StarCraft proves to be the game it's hyped up to be I'm sure I'll continue playing for years.
<3 there will always be naysayers cause you seem to be too good to be true atm. Hot girl that wants to get into bw and play on a higher level? nah, cannot be possible... I KNOW it is and I cannot wait for them to see it
Just focus on the people who will rally around you and support you!
Even this naysayer seems reasonable.. just pessimistic which is understandable and fine given the long history of this game.
Sorry to burst your bubble StarSlay3r, but I think you are being a little unrealistic.
The amount of time it takes to become "good" at starcraft is ridiculous. It takes years. Considering you have never really played the game, you cannot possibly understand how hard it is to become good @ this game, and I really don't expect you to.
So when you say, "I want to get really good", you really don't understand how much time you have to put into it to get good. First, I suggest you actually play the game,, for like 6 months. To get "good", you really gotta love this game. Like you gotta be so incredibly passionate about it and enjoy committing hours and hours to it.
In direct reply... I could say that to you about Guitar Hero. I have been playing rhythm games for 10 years... it took practice to get this good.... FOR ME. I know of several people who picked the game up and conquered expert in a day. I'm not expecting that with SC but with time, dedication and the proper training I believe I can excel at the game faster then the average person who picks it up for the first time. I highly think you underestimate my skills and I am just more motivated to do well now after all the the doubts. :D Keep an eye on me... You might just be surprised of what I'm capable of.
BLAH! All the updates just finished uploading to the PC. I want to play now but nick is uploading some stuff for his games and it's 12midnight and I have to be ready for work in 6 hrs. OMG! I'm freakin out man!!! I wanna play! ok ok screw waiting til Sunday... the MOB godfather is going to be mad but I'm skipping GH practice tomorrow night to start SC. ITS ON!!!
seriously though with proper instruction and a geniune focus on improving the mechanical aspect of your play (by that i mean playing faster, do shit as fast as possible no wasted time all streamlined efficient and so forth)... basically if you get someone clever to tell you exactly what to do and you do it just like they tell you, you could become an average level player (like able to win games on iccup) in a few months
it really is a brutal game though, it's intensely physically demanding for a goddamned computer game
100% agree. It is a huge luckout that her roommate formerly played. Hopefully he can show her basic hotkeys, keyboard positions etc. Next step StarSlay3r is going to be playing lots and showing up to lans -> seeing how they do it. That was how I made some strides even YEARS after I started.
Sorry to burst your bubble StarSlay3r, but I think you are being a little unrealistic.
The amount of time it takes to become "good" at starcraft is ridiculous. It takes years. Considering you have never really played the game, you cannot possibly understand how hard it is to become good @ this game, and I really don't expect you to.
So when you say, "I want to get really good", you really don't understand how much time you have to put into it to get good. First, I suggest you actually play the game,, for like 6 months. To get "good", you really gotta love this game. Like you gotta be so incredibly passionate about it and enjoy committing hours and hours to it.
In direct reply... I could say that to you about Guitar Hero. I have been playing rhythm games for 10 years... it took practice to get this good.... FOR ME. I know of several people who picked the game up and conquered expert in a day. I'm not expecting that with SC but with time, dedication and the proper training I believe I can excel at the game faster then the average person who picks it up for the first time. I highly think you underestimate my skills and I am just more motivated to do well now after all the the doubts. :D Keep an eye on me... You might just be surprised of what I'm capable of.
BLAH! All the updates just finished uploading to the PC. I want to play now but nick is uploading some stuff for his games and it's 12midnight and I have to be ready for work in 6 hrs. OMG! I'm freakin out man!!! I wanna play! ok ok screw waiting til Sunday... the MOB godfather is going to be mad but I'm skipping GH practice tomorrow night to start SC. ITS ON!!!
-.- I'm not underestimating you I'm treating you like every single other person who plays this game. There's a huge skill difference in being incredible @ guitar hero and being incredible @ starcraft. There aren't pro guitar hero leagues like there are pro starcraft leagues. The pros @ this game practice for like 11 hours a day. They do nothing BUT play this game, and they have been for years. You really can't compare any other game (in terms of depth) to starcraft.
I'm just telling you this so you don't get frustrated (@ some point) like 99% of all people who play this game. But hey, you don't need to listen to me. Go play for 7 hours a day every single day for a year, and you might hit C or something.
Go ask some other people how hard it is to get good @ this game, considering you have never played it before, maybe I am wrong.
Sorry to sound this pessimistic, I'm not trying to bring you down or anything, I'm just telling you that usually people with this attitude before they play starcraft end up very disappointed.
7 hours a day for 1 year and only hitting C is REALLY low. Even for the average gamer... nevermind the conditioned professional gamer. She will do better than that.. and I doubt she plays for 7 hours a day for a year
On January 13 2009 17:15 Resonance wrote: There's a huge skill difference in being incredible @ guitar hero and being incredible @ starcraft. There aren't pro guitar hero leagues like there are pro starcraft leagues. The pros @ this game practice for like 11 hours a day. They do nothing BUT play this game, and they have been for years. You really can't compare any other game (in terms of depth) to starcraft.
OMG! No we don't have masses of Koreans dedicating their lives to GH but I can tell you that for a whole year I played guitar hero for 70 hours a week dedicating my life to it basically, and I wasn't alone. I practiced for 6 solid months for the world cyber games... Geoff knows how intense that can be. I got to the highest ranking of 5th in the world on the most recent Guitar Hero (World Tour)... then had to take a break to practice other games. Have you seen The Devil Went Down to Georgia full comboed on expert? Can you get the muscle memorization down and not miss over 3 thousand notes? GH is tougher than it looks. I've had to memorize over 200 star paths for songs *points in time in which to activate star power to gain the highest possible score when 100%ing a song* Those aren't things your average 10 year old GH player does. There's multiple layers to being good at guitar hero just like starcraft... everything takes time... games are easy to learn but difficult to master... I know this.
You think... She's ranting about Guitar hero again? But here's my point...Skills like that will come in handy. My ability to memorize over 200 star paths can help with my ability to memorize hot keys... my ability to move my fingers fast enough to hit crazy solos in dragonforce songs will help to navigate the keyboard and execute moves. No more proving myself via text... next step is physically doing it. I'll have to keep a blog or something of my progress.
On January 13 2009 17:15 Resonance wrote: There's a huge skill difference in being incredible @ guitar hero and being incredible @ starcraft. There aren't pro guitar hero leagues like there are pro starcraft leagues. The pros @ this game practice for like 11 hours a day. They do nothing BUT play this game, and they have been for years. You really can't compare any other game (in terms of depth) to starcraft.
OMG! No we don't have masses of Koreans dedicating their lives to GH but I can tell you that for a whole year I played guitar hero for 70 hours a week dedicating my life to it basically, and I wasn't alone. I practiced for 6 solid months for the world cyber games... Geoff knows how intense that can be. I got to the highest ranking of 5th in the world on the most recent Guitar Hero (World Tour)... then had to take a break to practice other games. Have you seen The Devil Went Down to Georgia full comboed on expert? Can you get the muscle memorization down and not miss over 3 thousand notes? GH is tougher than it looks. I've had to memorize over 200 star paths for songs *points in time in which to activate star power to gain the highest possible score when 100%ing a song* Those aren't things your average 10 year old GH player does. There's multiple layers to being good at guitar hero just like starcraft... everything takes time... games are easy to learn but difficult to master... I know this.
You think... She's ranting about Guitar hero again? But here's my point...Skills like that will come in handy. My ability to memorize over 200 star paths can help with my ability to memorize hot keys... my ability to move my fingers fast enough to hit crazy solos in dragonforce songs will help to navigate the keyboard and execute moves. No more proving myself via text... next step is physically doing it. I'll have to keep a blog or something of my progress.
Alright, well you heard my opinion. It sounds like your really interested in this game so I won't repeat myself anymore. If you are going to pursue it, you should tell us where you are @ like every 3 months or so skill-wise b/c I'm really curious to see how good somebody can get @ this game from scratch, actually trying hard.
And no lol I don't play guitar hero, just a couple of times with friends.
seriously, this game gets FRUSTRATING. you build up your shit from nothing, and some cheese build ends up wasting all your time. you can lose the game in a matter of seconds. that, at least for me, was the most annoying part of this game. took a while to get used to "manner" gaming (there really isn't manner gaming in any other game). you always have to gracefully type out. keep spamming those smileys. grudgingly look over your loss replay to see what went wrong. the attitude to play starcraft took the longest to build up.
Wow you are insanely cool, haha. Once you get the basics down look me up and I'll train with you for a bit on my offraces.
You have a good point about the learning curve not being as steep for you. I think your two main advantages will be ease of macroing on the keyboard and picking up game cycles more quickly (this involves having an intuitive sense of timing and learning some patterns you'll have to repeat throughout the game; things you should be pretty good at). You obviously have the ability to completely dedicate yourself so you could get very good much faster than most tl'ers are giving you credit for. It's just so rare to see brand new people starting to play at this stage; some of us have been doing this for 10 years so you have a ways to catch up. ^^
BTW Guitar hero and starcraft have a ton of similarities. They're both fast paced. In both, making one tiny mistake in the blink of an eye can easily cost you the game. In both you need to do a lot of memorization. Both take a lot of hand-eye coordination/muscle memory.
If you practice as often as you did with guitar hero you'll be doing really well in no time. When I first started playing seriously I only practiced like probably an hour a day or so and I got to C- in less than a year without actually dedicating myself really (I didn't care enough to watch replays, and watching your own replays is the #1 way to improve besides simply playing).
On January 09 2009 12:34 ~_~ wrote: if you are looking for noobs i think you will have more luck looking on this site http://www.gosugamers.net/
Rofl!
Oh..btw don't play on battle.net until you can beat computers easily cause if you can't beat computers you won't stand a chance on B.NET. Practicing against comps is good for newbs IMO to learn how to adapt and to know what unit(s) beats what unit(s). And one last tip: choose race early and stick with it, it's hard to stick to one but you will learn easier and faster. (barely i can stick to my current race)
On January 09 2009 12:35 Resonance wrote: oh god lol, never played starcraft before? oh man, I'm not joking when I say "be prepared to lose....A LOT". I'm going to estimate that you will have about 99% lose ratio for like the first 4 months you play, I'm being absolutely serious. Hell, you will probably lose your first 495/500 games.
But @ least you are taking initiative in playing the best game ever made! The reason why it's so hard to play this game well is simply because so many other people are so good. Heck, even myself, if I compared myself to somebody (such as yourself), who has never played starcraft before, I am an amazing player. However, in the competitive starcraft world, I am frigging horrible. So don't be discouraged if you have been playing weekends for a year straight and you still can't believe that you are a bad player.
If you really stick w/it you will see how cool this game really is.
I agree with this post.... be prepared to lose a lot but stick with it and you'll see how much skill depth there is in the game, you can play for years and still be learning every match.
Did something happen or did you just bump this for NO reason? I didn't watch the WCG Ultimate Gamer thing so if it's related to that I guess a bump might make sense?
Did something happen or did you just bump this for NO reason? I didn't watch the WCG Ultimate Gamer thing so if it's related to that I guess a bump might make sense?
one of my favorite things on any message board are the bump police. omfg please relax. if you really pay THAT much attention to shit, im sure this 1 post moving up a couple pages wont throw of your whole system of TL digestion.
On March 11 2009 15:05 cUrsOr wrote: one of my favorite things on any message board are the bump police. omfg please relax. if you really pay THAT much attention to shit, im sure this 1 post moving up a couple pages wont throw of your whole system of TL digestion.
You relax man. Let one little stupid bump go here, and one little bump go there, next the world! Gotta be strict on shit like this or it can slowly get out of control and retarded.
On the off-chance she hasn't given up on getting good, I think she should check this out. Iccup is putting together a training program, where stronger players coach weaker players. If it doesn't fall to pieces in the early phase, it should be pretty useful.
On March 11 2009 15:05 cUrsOr wrote: one of my favorite things on any message board are the bump police. omfg please relax. if you really pay THAT much attention to shit, im sure this 1 post moving up a couple pages wont throw of your whole system of TL digestion.
Oh hush. Bumps are fine when they ADD SOMETHING. "Starslayer for bonjwa" adds nothing
I'm afraid to say Starslay3r has gone the path of 80% of people who first pick up the game...
They are really determined at first to get good but after looking at the insane skill level even on battle.net as well as considering the fact that SCII will soon be out, they decide it's not worth it to invest a year to get good.
i think its freaking comedy her lasts posts are on the DAY she picked it up!
id be really happy to find she was working on it and getting good, but my guess is that she got to about the 3rd Terran Campaign in Vanilla and said "okay this is hard". so she made it, about .001% of the way to playing the game D+ on iCCup. after all that talk lol. probably spent more time typing about it then playing it.
Well actually someone in IRC Linked this thread myself naturally assuming they had posted something decided to post something and after i hit post i realised how long ago the last post was ><
Hi Starslayer girl from the WCG ultimate gamer show.
You should come to realize that SC is not a repetitive game like guitar hero. You will need to outsmart and outplay your opponent.
So after you master all the buildings and units in the game you should read about strategies and the art of war. This is basically chess x100 I know you're a very competitive person after reading about you and knowing u're in the show so I really do hope you prove us all wrong and be pro at it. We will need female progamers when SC2 comes out because it was really give esports a big boost.
On March 12 2009 07:08 cUrsOr wrote: i think its freaking comedy her lasts posts are on the DAY she picked it up!
id be really happy to find she was working on it and getting good, but my guess is that she got to about the 3rd Terran Campaign in Vanilla and said "okay this is hard". so she made it, about .001% of the way to playing the game D+ on iCCup. after all that talk lol. probably spent more time typing about it then playing it.
im assuming she played some campaign and then hopped on to bnet and got her ass handed to her she's not used to losing so she probably went back to CS and owned some noobs or something
You know, since we're already here and I didn't get to say this the first time around, It doesn't take years to get good at starcraft. People say that because it took them years. There were gosus (for their time) when starcraft was brand new, and today there's a billion resources to learn from that there weren't back then. Even without having RTS experience from somewhere else, a dedicated player could easily get to D+ in a few months time. If you don't think so because it took you years to get good, it's because you weren't seriously training to improve for years. Most people hit a plateau (whatever rank it is) and do not progress beyond that because they play the same way they have been playing.
On March 12 2009 12:50 piskooooo wrote: She dropped 5Gs on a computer for StarCraft(lolwut) then quit? I hope this isn't true. Maybe she's been playing nonstop all this time?
exactly, ill be interested to find out either way.
On March 12 2009 10:13 SonuvBob wrote: I don't think you share their definition of good.
I know what you're saying... but so often I see people say that it would take years to get to D+ level and that's simply not true. I was talking about knowing standard build orders, having 100+ apm, you know, C range. Most people at D/D+ level have HUGE holes in their game. It might take quite a bit longer to get to B and higher ranks, but D+ is relatively easy to master if you have any natural aptitude and some dedication.
Starslayer, first off I give you huge props for trying to pick up starcraft. As far as recommendations on how to get better, it's all been said in this thread already. There are English casted vods. I recommend going to Gomtv.net and watching Vods there if you're interested. After you learn hotkeys and basic units and stuff, these vods will help you to understand strategies a bit better. As many people said though the skill curve on this game is ridiculous, here's a link to a First person vod of the best terran player atm to demonstrate the skill level of top players, I don't have to say much other than it's a really 1 sided game and it shows why flash is the best terran.
There are other vods and FPvods on nevake's channel as well if you're interested.
Make sure you play like this.
I wish you luck in getting better at the game and the most important thing is to have fun, even if you are 0-50 when you first start :p.
afaik ciji was told by her progaming team that she needs to keep her focus on her console games like rockband/guitar hero. She got a new cpu, bought the battlechest and was all geared up and ready to go before she got shot down..
It is our of her hands though. She relies on them for travel/gear/sponsorship etc.
I gathered all of this from indirect methods so if any of this is inaccurate or untrue I will get ciji to clarify. Hopefully at least for SC2 we can have Ciji amongst us I might be able to get her over here!
On March 13 2009 01:16 {88}iNcontroL wrote: afaik ciji was told by her progaming team that she needs to keep her focus on her console games like rockband/guitar hero. She got a new cpu, bought the battlechest and was all geared up and ready to go before she got shot down..
It is our of her hands though. She relies on them for travel/gear/sponsorship etc.
I gathered all of this from indirect methods so if any of this is inaccurate or untrue I will get ciji to clarify. Hopefully at least for SC2 we can have Ciji amongst us I might be able to get her over here!
Why didn't they at least stop her from getting that computer? I mean Starcraft can run on just about anything with a screen...
On March 13 2009 01:16 {88}iNcontroL wrote: afaik ciji was told by her progaming team that she needs to keep her focus on her console games like rockband/guitar hero. She got a new cpu, bought the battlechest and was all geared up and ready to go before she got shot down..
It is our of her hands though. She relies on them for travel/gear/sponsorship etc.
I gathered all of this from indirect methods so if any of this is inaccurate or untrue I will get ciji to clarify. Hopefully at least for SC2 we can have Ciji amongst us I might be able to get her over here!
Why didn't they at least stop her from getting that computer? I mean Starcraft can run on just about anything with a screen...
Yes but she wanted it to run WELL. Have you tried playing starcraft on 56k and about a 7x10 inch moniter? I have. It is not fun.
what progaming team has Rockband? no offense to starslayer but "pro rockband" is like saying "pro connect 4"
I remember pandemic and eMg had a few players but you'd hardly be pro, considering you can't possibly make a living off of your winnings. I doubt there's any spectator value either, if I wanna see a good guitar player rocking it, I'll buy myself a ticket to a show ...
tbh I don't see much potential for e-sports outside of the shooter/rts genres, everything else you're much better off with the real thing (ie: fighting games vs watching real mma/K1/Pride, sports games vs the actual sport, same for racing, music, etc etc).
On the other hand, you can't really pit people with real guns against each other (although speedball, pro paintball, is pretty close) and RTS is impossible to re-create irl. It has something unique about it that might just make it a good spectator product.
5000 USD is a bit much if she just wanted to play SC and maybe some other "new" games.. she should've bought a decent laptop and be better off.
On March 13 2009 19:23 PobTheCad wrote: i remember there was a story on some us new site maybe 6 months ago where some kid quit school to become a GH 'pro' and his folks were fine with that
On March 12 2009 09:46 Biochemist wrote: You know, since we're already here and I didn't get to say this the first time around, It doesn't take years to get good at starcraft. People say that because it took them years. There were gosus (for their time) when starcraft was brand new, and today there's a billion resources to learn from that there weren't back then. Even without having RTS experience from somewhere else, a dedicated player could easily get to D+ in a few months time. If you don't think so because it took you years to get good, it's because you weren't seriously training to improve for years. Most people hit a plateau (whatever rank it is) and do not progress beyond that because they play the same way they have been playing.
People who were good years ago consider D+ pretty shitty and not good though. It would take a year or 2 to go from D to B+ I bet (if that D ever got to B+)
I'm sure that girl has a lot of extra cash from winning if she just buys 5k computers out of her pocket.
Geoff was half right. I DIDN'T get the new pc. Unfortunately the same pro gaming team told me "You're not a pc player" so they tried to steal my sponsor away. The sponsor is no longer available and I left that team to be on my own and do my own thing.
I now have Tritton (from the tv show) as a sponsor and am working on getting my own computer so I Can continue to play SC. I personally like the game and while I know it'd going to be a long time before I'm ever really any good, it's a great change of pace from my normal gaming.
Wow well done starslayer. You actually are going to keep it up, even quitting the team that tried to hold you back, that's awesome. Thanks for the update. Hope you do really well, and progress unusually fast at that. I guess you're probably too far along in your training by this point to have much use for my help. That's too bad. Good luck again. And i hope you update some more some time in the future.
On March 13 2009 01:16 {88}iNcontroL wrote: afaik ciji was told by her progaming team that she needs to keep her focus on her console games like rockband/guitar hero. She got a new cpu, bought the battlechest and was all geared up and ready to go before she got shot down..
It is our of her hands though. She relies on them for travel/gear/sponsorship etc.
I gathered all of this from indirect methods so if any of this is inaccurate or untrue I will get ciji to clarify. Hopefully at least for SC2 we can have Ciji amongst us I might be able to get her over here!
Why didn't they at least stop her from getting that computer? I mean Starcraft can run on just about anything with a screen...
Yes but she wanted it to run WELL. Have you tried playing starcraft on 56k and about a 7x10 inch moniter? I have. It is not fun.
On March 16 2009 17:54 StarSlay3r wrote: Geoff was half right. I DIDN'T get the new pc. Unfortunately the same pro gaming team told me "You're not a pc player" so they tried to steal my sponsor away. The sponsor is no longer available and I left that team to be on my own and do my own thing.
I now have Tritton (from the tv show) as a sponsor and am working on getting my own computer so I Can continue to play SC. I personally like the game and while I know it'd going to be a long time before I'm ever really any good, it's a great change of pace from my normal gaming.
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