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On August 04 2003 12:50 ToKoreaWithLove wrote:As I heard muhwelli is/was top3 zerg I don't forsee that to be a problem 
Hahaha, where did you hear that ;D That would probably be only in Finland cuz besides Ovvi I am pretty much the only one to play 
Btw, sata had a good point. Though the opponent in the rep ain't too good, it demonstrates the idea a lil' bit. Yet I told that the strat used in the replay isn't 100% same as described. I will be uploading some reps to my page in case of some interest WHEN I get the page up and running. This should be within a month.
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hmm tkwl if u played the game I played I garantee you. You would've lost. You see this 'newb' going hydras and imediately you lay back and sit there clicking on some buildings to entertain yourself. You never expected this opponent would actually do some dmg. You massed some mutas (it wasn't 40vs20) and expect an easy victory. Then he comes out with some hydras. You think o goodie I can end this stupid game. You blindly attack all his hydras with everything you got. Before realizing he has 2-2.
There are other issues besides unit control that can determine a game. Think about it.
And I would like if you didn't act so (hmm what's the right word?) pompous.
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Haha, this TLT replay shows pretty much what ShAsTa is talking about. I swear the gods if I was the muta user, i would've won.
Gosu replay
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Very well written. Gj yO~
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well
i really have problems playing against hydra
lots of hydra with up + 3 lurker, can hold lots of muta and lings.
the problema with mobility, if you attack his base with your muta, he will go to your base, and hydras can cut you off faster than muta
i lost a game, like that
i was on advantage, but he moved on to my base with 2 lurker + ling + hydras + queen. so he stopped all my lings, and mutas dont have anything to do around the map ( spore + hydra )
now i wanna know, the counters for hydra
do not say "micro" coz 30 hydra + 2 lurker vs 20 muta + tons of lings, is almost impossible to make a good attack. also, hydra upgraded > muta upgraded =(
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At the early stages of game (and why not later on) burrowling is a relatively good counter. You can also decide to go mass sunk and tech to guardians which will eventually get eaten by the scourge One possibility of course is to go lurker yourself but you'll then risk your aerial superiority and in case of him switching to muta without going to lurker, you'll be behind in gas. Depends on the situation though.
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I am quite sorry about the other thread, I am just tired  Hope it didn't hurt XaI)CyRiC's feelings. I really do. I really REALLY do. However at this hour I didn't have anything else to do and it felt like a good idea T_T; I'm SORRY! Please accept my humble apology and set my anti-racist butt free ._.
I hope this thread doesn't fall to the same category T_T;
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On August 04 2003 15:58 ShAsTa wrote:
hmm tkwl if u played the game I played I garantee you. You would've lost. You see this 'newb' going hydras and imediately you lay back and sit there clicking on some buildings to entertain yourself. You never expected this opponent would actually do some dmg. You massed some mutas (it wasn't 40vs20) and expect an easy victory. Then he comes out with some hydras. You think o goodie I can end this stupid game. You blindly attack all his hydras with everything you got. Before realizing he has 2-2.
There are other issues besides unit control that can determine a game. Think about it.
And I would like if you didn't act so (hmm what's the right word?) pompous.
Wtf pompous. I wasnt flaming you or anything, you just make up some numbers out of thin air and expect to be a part of a discussion? Besides, belgian player always go hydra anyway.
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Okai. All the belgian players i have played maybe with the exception of krotter back in his prime went hydra. I think.
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Mayb it's in their blood -_-;
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On August 05 2003 14:23 Muhweli wrote:
Mayb it's in their blood -_-;
Yes! Much like Jeanne 'D Arc, belgian players have voices in their heads, voices telling them to go hydra. Sooner or later, they will be burned as witches.
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whats the point writing this into a 3 page essay?
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What's the point of your existence.
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On August 05 2003 00:40 Muhweli wrote: At the early stages of game (and why not later on) burrowling is a relatively good counter. You can also decide to go mass sunk and tech to guardians which will eventually get eaten by the scourge One possibility of course is to go lurker yourself but you'll then risk your aerial superiority and in case of him switching to muta without going to lurker, you'll be behind in gas. Depends on the situation though.
yes, who go hydra first, i always do burrow ling, is the only way to stop, till tech to dians, but when he goes muta and change to hydra in the middle, is LOT difficult, coz he will have muta, hydra and lings, so burrow lings will not be as efficient. tech to dians would take to long too, coz u have spent much money in mutas, also, he still have the mutas and spire
IMO ( just learned that imo mean in my opinion =P )
Muta and after hydra >>>> only hydra
maybe i will post a rep of mine here, of a game that i lost for hydra, so you can say what i did wrong, or just say that im a n00b =P
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Hehe, losing to hydra is easy Hydra also pwnz because you can get relatively big new mass after losing one :D So it's probably the best way to make a comeback if you're behind at gas.
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Muhweli you are so GOSU !!11 8D
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Muhweli grouping 7 muta is very good until you reach a point when you have above 25 muta. Switch back to 12 group muta if you have 25 + muta.
The hydra strat seems nice, but i think you'll wont make it vs harass/good micro muta users.
Grades in the beginning all relay on the situation. If you chose not to grade, but you are afraid to get outgraded in late game use 2 spire.
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