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Lets create a hall of fame for gosu foreigners!
yesterday i heard a rant of Daniel Negreanu about the Poker Hall Of Fame, system. which led me to think why dont we create a Foreigner BW hall of fame?
these are my nominees
Poll: Hall of fame nomineesGrrrr (34) 29% Mondragon (23) 19% Draco (11) 9% ElkY (10) 8% White-Ra (8) 7% IdrA (7) 6% NonY (7) 6% Slayer (6) 5% Legionnaire (4) 3% Eriador (2) 2% Testie (2) 2% Rekrul (1) 1% Pj (1) 1% SEn (1) 1% Nazgul (1) 1% Maynard (1) 1% Assem (0) 0% Lx (0) 0% 119 total votes Your vote: Hall of fame nominees (Vote): Grrrr
(Vote): ElkY
(Vote): Legionnaire
(Vote): Assem
(Vote): Maynard
(Vote): Slayer
(Vote): Mondragon
(Vote): Draco
(Vote): Testie
(Vote): SEn
(Vote): IdrA
(Vote): White-Ra
(Vote): NonY
(Vote): Nazgul
(Vote): Rekrul
(Vote): Eriador
(Vote): Pj
(Vote): Lx
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So what do we vote?
I would also add FiSheYe and Androide to your list.
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On April 02 2021 04:01 asel wrote:
So what do we vote?
I would also add FiSheYe and Androide to your list.
is it possible to edit a poll?
FiSheYe and Androide are good candidates, u're completly right
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Bisutopia19327 Posts
Only having one poll/vote won't allow us to build a list. It will just be a party of 1 at the end of it all. Just put a comprehensive list of candidates in the OP and then we can discuss a way to elect them in.
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Sziky should be in the hof, while his peak might have been after the release of sc2, he was the most dominant foreigner of all time probably
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The best way to do this would probably be a strawpoll with the ability to vote for options, this kind of voting structure makes no sense for what you are trying to achieve.
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Only voting for 1 person is kinda bad. Technically Grrrrr... should get the vote from everyone. Because winning an OSL is the biggest achievement you can have. Obviously in terms of raw playing ability he is not on the same level as a prime Mondragon (e.g).
I think the most skilled/gifted foreigner ever is Slayer. I saw his speed/control in a youtube video about the KBK tournament documentary and it is truly baffling how gifted he was for that time. Basically ~2,3 years after SC BW became an Esport in korea.
The biggest achievements obviously Grrrrr... he won an OSL. He was the first real (and only real) foreign SC BW Pro gamer and even the best overall SC BW gamer for ~1-2 years.
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Majority of those guys on that list would struggle to break A rank, even if fully practiced..
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On April 02 2021 06:01 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
The biggest achievements obviously Grrrrr... he won an OSL. He was the first real (and only real) foreign SC BW Pro gamer and even the best overall SC BW gamer for ~1-2 years.
did you forget elky who was sponsored by an internet cafe, got top 4 in an osl and stayed relevant in the scene longer than giyom?
for me personally, idra, draco and mondragon would be theoretical shoe-ins.
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On April 02 2021 06:18 oxKnu wrote:
Majority of those guys on that list would struggle to break A rank, even if fully practiced..
I think almost all of them could reach A rank with little to no practice. Grrrrr, Nazgul and Maynard would probably have the hardest time given the era they played in.
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On April 02 2021 04:35 BisuDagger wrote:
Only having one poll/vote won't allow us to build a list. It will just be a party of 1 at the end of it all. Just put a comprehensive list of candidates in the OP and then we can discuss a way to elect them in.
Makes sense;;
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White-Ra was quickly getting into low S, when he made his brief comebacks to BW, stalling after that. Most of the list is from his era(and had an edge on him), so struggling to break A rank is nonsense.
They'd struggle to break 2400, but most could do it given enough practice.
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I vote for Mondragon.
However, I think Bonyth have a fair claim to have the ability to reach even greater highs. If only WCG:BW was sill around...
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I agree with Phil. Grrrr... and Slayer (hasulurker) are probably the only foreigners to ever win a major tournament in Korea.
Those are unrivaled accomplishments.
Elky was a top foreign-player and you could make a case he was a better player (because skill-level kept increasing), but he certainly didn't have the impact that Grrrr... had. Guillaume was and still is a celebrity in Korea and he was among the top in many different tournaments over the years. So it's not like he was a one-hit-wonder.
I think Slayer could've gone the progamer-route and he obviously got the invites after winning KBK, but he didn't choose to. I don't know when he stopped playing but I remember every Korean wanted to play him. He won KBK at a time when most Korean Pros were playing Zerg and the game was considered in favor of Zerg but he was "slaying" one after the other with his own playstyle. It was great to watch, I was actually at that tournament watching over the shoulders. Very humble and great guy, too.
In your list you should include NTT.
He was a special one. Succesful and very unique play-style... and notorious for busting lamers!
Asmodey was also a top-foreigner for quite some time, and could compete with some koreans.
You could make a case for the likes of Saft, Blackman or Froz who may didn't win big tournaments internationally, but were top-notch foreign-players.
If you go really old school like Maynard, you probably should put Pillars, Thor, Tsunami, {PH}Boo!, Jolly, Kain-the-Feared and the likes in the conversation. But I don't know who ever saw them play, reputation was based on tournament results, ladder standings (w fixed speed "fast") and hearsay... there were no streams, VODs or replays, just battle reports and mostly private bnet/kali-channels!
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Also missing Smuft, NTT, maybe Strelok and Brat-ok
For SA it's worth mentioning hellghost and darki
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I throw my vote in for Pro7ect
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Russian Federation378 Posts
You don’t need poll for that. Liquipedia page views for all time will tell you that.
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