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On April 02 2021 19:00 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
Just being dominant after 2010? (e.g Bonyth Dewalt at this point are Hof worthy kinda??)
They have to be. Bonyth and Dewalt are by far the highest level of skill a foreigner has gotten at the game.
Another factor is the state of the game. Highly unlikely BW becomes significantly more popular to usher in a new era with new styles/new players etc that would re-assemble the hierarchy so to speak.
It's obviously possible that another player that is active now keeps improving and does something special (qualifying for ASL for example) and gains enough reputation to do that but given the parameters - rather improbable.
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Why isn’t CombatEx on the list?
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Looking forward to CrazyJim (aka GoodNewsJim) jumping into this thread to again claim that he was better than Grrrr and was the actual best BW player of all time.
Yes, he does kind of live in my head rent-free. But after seeing his insane ravings whenever the name Grrrr is mentioned I now think of him.
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On April 02 2021 20:49 oxKnu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2021 19:00 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
Just being dominant after 2010? (e.g Bonyth Dewalt at this point are Hof worthy kinda??) They have to be. Bonyth and Dewalt are by far the highest level of skill a foreigner has gotten at the game.
I'm not absolutely sure about that. You're probably right, but definitely not by far. 2009 had high peak skill, though less overall game knowledge, but high competition and skill. Much more competition than BSL is nowadays, where the same 8 foreigners who are not even playing full time just take turns beating each other. (Bonyth or dewalt usually win).
Most participants are well over 30 years old too. I think it's much more difficult to compare to the pre sc2 days in terms of skills than you believe.
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On April 02 2021 22:19 Comedy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2021 20:49 oxKnu wrote:On April 02 2021 19:00 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
Just being dominant after 2010? (e.g Bonyth Dewalt at this point are Hof worthy kinda??) They have to be. Bonyth and Dewalt are by far the highest level of skill a foreigner has gotten at the game. I'm not absolutely sure about that. You're probably right, but definitely not by far. 2009 had high peak skill, though less overall game knowledge, but high competition and skill. Much more competition than BSL is nowadays, where the same 8 foreigners who are not even playing full time just take turns beating each other. (Bonyth or dewalt usually win). Most participants are well over 30 years old too. I think it's much more difficult to compare to the pre sc2 days in terms of skills than you believe.
2008-2011-ish era is indeed the era second to the Remastered era (not just foreigners, koreans too) in terms of absolute level. Even if you account for meta-game changes.
I would still gladly take the level of the top players 1.5 years into the Remastered era than the pre-SC2 period.
Simply just way more game-knowledge in the open, every single person that has been top level at this game has streamed a ridiculous amount of hours at this point and that has improved the player-pool tremendously.
Even if that pool is much smaller than what it was 10-12 years ago. We're still taking about that 1% when comparing for preak skill.
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Definitely need to have these periods as break points
1999-2005
2006-2010
2011-current
imo
Interesting topic, actually.
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On April 03 2021 00:20 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
Definitely need to have these periods as break points
1999-2005
2006-2010
2011-current
imo
Interesting topic, actually.
Cool idea, i'd share a top 3 for each period but need to think about it. There are so many great games and players.
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I think what people also need to consider is the mental strength it takes to win a tournament and to play consistently at a high level.
No matter which era, if you're playing a finals you've got to handle a lot of pressure.
Some players excel at that and others don't have that clutchness.
There's also the sense of competitiveness and dedication. There were lots of foreign gamers who were talented and good at the game, but it takes another step to actually live the life of a pro-gamer and compete at the highest level persistently. Most pros are not playing at 100% in non-tournament games, so it doesn't mean much if you take a few games off of them.
HOFers are normally related to their time. It doesn't include players that are mediocre in their own time but may be better compared to players of the past.
And you can't deny that invention is the mother of skill.
Great players are able to read their opponents and trends in the game. If you watch an old replay you may have no clue what was going on in the scene and in the players' minds at the time. There's an energy and flow to each time and that will always keep changing. Salute to the players who are riding these waves and keep creating!
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Cadenzie should be in the HOF aswell.
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Mondie always the best 
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We need a poll that allows us to select X number of people where X is 10 or whatever. If I truly only had one vote would probably go White-Ra.
Better yet separate it into time periods with 10 options each, vote for 4 of them per period or something.
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Did you really make a list of Hall of fame without including Androide ? O_O
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Yosh cheated/abused a bunch of times. I would leave him out.
Also some lists here at too US centric, when at some point europe was so far ahead that it's not even funny. Just check out [pG], ToT, MYM, etc lineups. Teams that dominated were mainly european.
To grab the best players of the old era you probably need the input of someone that played regularly at that time, as there isn't much written about it.
Need to call people like Nazgul, Rekrul, Leggionaire to this thread
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No Ret? He was probably the most naturally gifted BW player we had in an era when the competition was greatest (pre-SC2).
Not saying he is the all time best. But he deserves a spot on the list
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Androide, Beast, Didi8, Blackman...
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Ret definitely should be on the list.
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EPT
