EPTI’d be surprised if Flash ever lost a game that he randomed into Terran. It’s hard enough planning a build for the number of timings that 1 race can throw at you, let alone 3
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mOnion
United States5657 Posts
I’d be surprised if Flash ever lost a game that he randomed into Terran. It’s hard enough planning a build for the number of timings that 1 race can throw at you, let alone 3 | ||
GTR
51497 Posts
also if you were a prospective amateur who for whatever reason played random, pro team scouts will immediately tell you to stick to a race else they weren't going to make it professionally. if flash wins the next asl with random, we will never see anything like it ever again in any esport in our lifetime. last person to go true random in an osl/msl btw was elky - 2003/04 nhn hangame osl. suffice to say he quickly went 0-3.  2003-2004 NHN OSLhttps://tl.net/forum/brood-war/9520-elkys-random | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
never saw his pvz/zvz/pvp bout have no doubt he will still excel in it. theres no substitute for good decision making | ||
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onlystar
United States971 Posts
consistent 400 apm in lategame zvp dunno what wrist injury hes talking bout lol that is such a weird sentence because he has 400apm there must be no problem with wrist injury? | ||
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
On April 20 2020 10:58 onlystar wrote: that is such a weird sentence because he has 400apm there must be no problem with wrist injury? woosh | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On April 20 2020 10:33 Alpha-NP- wrote: Any Korean have any information on whether or not Afreeca currently bans Random? Yeah, at this point I just want a ruling from ASL. Theorycrafting: For a specific Bo5 between a player who always plays R and a player who always plays T, the two players need to practice the name number of matchups (three matchups: ZvT, PvT, and TvT for the R player, and TvZ, TvP, and TvT for the T player). In the match, R player has the informational advantage of knowing the opponent’s race. Thus, if you look from the perspective of practicing for a single match, R is favored. However, if you take into account a whole career’s worth of practice hours, a player who always plays R is spreading their practice hours among 9 different matchups, whereas a player who always plays T is spreading their practice hours among 3 different matchups (or *maybe* 5 if you assume a T player would dabble in ZvT and PvT to improve their TvZ and TvP). Thus, in any given Bo5 between an R player and a T player, no matter what matchup gets rolled, the T player will probably have spent three times as many practice hours on that matchup than the R player. If you look from the perspective of total career practice hours, T is favored. My guess is that R is harder than it sounds. If you’re Bisu and Flash rolls either P or Z, don’t you breathe a sigh of relief? If you’re Jaedong and Flash rolls either P or Z, don’t you breathe a sigh of relief? Of course, the nightmare for anyone is if Flash randoms into T. That’s worse than if you knew all along that Flash would be T, since you start the game in the dark and Flash isn’t in the dark, and his T was already unstoppable. Still, that’s a 1/3 chance. You have a 2/3 chance to luck out. I’d give most players better odds versus Flash as R than as T. My biggest worry about players choosing R is that P will have a hard time hedging against both T and Z at the same time. But I’m less worried about that than I am excited about seeing Flash try R in an ASL. I’m really interested in seeing this happen. | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9031 Posts
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RKC
2848 Posts
And even if a rule existed, we need to find out that the basis for the rule is actually to eliminate such disadvantage, rather than other reasons (e.g. demands from pro-teams since random-ing is distracting and pointless in proleague or matchups becoming too coin-flippy and turning off viewers). Otherwise, we just have to assume after 20+ years of competitive play, players don't go random in individual leagues because it's harder and counter-productive. | ||
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seopthi
393 Posts
On April 19 2020 22:11 ne4aJIb wrote: I remember in one of his interview, i think after operation, he said he would choose zerg if he could start bw again. He also said he should've played Protoss in SC2 with the rationale that he'd prefer the defensive style | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4138 Posts
On April 20 2020 01:50 FyRe_DragOn wrote: Its a massive advantage, and flash is already familiar with all 9 matchups, hes beaten light and larva with toss, brain with zerg, etc. Flash with random will be stronger than flash with T, because his opponents will have to limit themselves to suboptimal, weak openings that cover all 3 races and can scout early. In certain matchups thats basically an auto loss if the skill level is high enough. Random should be banned from tournaments if its not already, because it is imbalanced. A huge, unfair advantage is given to one player, and not to another. You do not really have to learn 9 matchups in their entirety either to play random, you only have to learn how to counter the way the opponents race is forced to play vs random. Any advantage early enough outweighs being outplayed later in the game, and sometimes that advantage is too large to overcome even by a superior player. You only say that cause it's Flash and wouldn't apply to any other random player. Yes he has beat top pros with his offrace but he would still be considered an underdog for the opponent's best matchup. If people complain so much I think Flash wouldn't have a problem just typing his race at the start of the game, I'm sure ASL wouldn't mind either. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3686 Posts
As someone else also mentioned, if he randoms terran its also a free win. I think if anything this will make flash even more scary. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4138 Posts
On April 20 2020 11:02 Djabanete wrote: Yeah, at this point I just want a ruling from ASL. Theorycrafting: For a specific Bo5 between a player who always plays R and a player who always plays T, the two players need to practice the name number of matchups (three matchups: ZvT, PvT, and TvT for the R player, and TvZ, TvP, and TvT for the T player). In the match, R player has the informational advantage of knowing the opponent’s race. Thus, if you look from the perspective of practicing for a single match, R is favored. However, if you take into account a whole career’s worth of practice hours, a player who always plays R is spreading their practice hours among 9 different matchups, whereas a player who always plays T is spreading their practice hours among 3 different matchups (or *maybe* 5 if you assume a T player would dabble in ZvT and PvT to improve their TvZ and TvP). Thus, in any given Bo5 between an R player and a T player, no matter what matchup gets rolled, the T player will probably have spent three times as many practice hours on that matchup than the R player. If you look from the perspective of total career practice hours, T is favored. My guess is that R is harder than it sounds. If you’re Bisu and Flash rolls either P or Z, don’t you breathe a sigh of relief? If you’re Jaedong and Flash rolls either P or Z, don’t you breathe a sigh of relief? Of course, the nightmare for anyone is if Flash randoms into T. That’s worse than if you knew all along that Flash would be T, since you start the game in the dark and Flash isn’t in the dark, and his T was already unstoppable. Still, that’s a 1/3 chance. You have a 2/3 chance to luck out. I’d give most players better odds versus Flash as R than as T. My biggest worry about players choosing R is that P will have a hard time hedging against both T and Z at the same time. But I’m less worried about that than I am excited about seeing Flash try R in an ASL. I’m really interested in seeing this happen. Come to think of it Terran players are screwed by this the most. If Flash rolls T they're screwed and if he rolls P or Z they're screwed as well since Flash knows exactly how to play against his main race. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16097 Posts
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sugarmuffinpuff
Canada38 Posts
Also, are some people ITT actually implying that random is an advantage? Do people seriously think that flash's terran will stay at its current level while he splits his practice time between the 3 races? Flash is still a human being, he's not going to have a championship-winning calibre zerg, protoss and terran simultaneously. This is flash handicapping himself in order to keep things fresh and challenging. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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GTR
51497 Posts
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
On April 20 2020 12:06 Dante08 wrote: Come to think of it Terran players are screwed by this the most. If Flash rolls T they're screwed and if he rolls P or Z they're screwed as well since Flash knows exactly how to play against his main race. I have been told by high level players that Protoss is the weakest race when playing a Random choosing opponent. | ||
thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
On April 20 2020 13:28 GTR wrote: also another thing to consider with the change to random is the uniformity in hotkeys given remastered's release - he can rebind a ton of keys to make things easier on him e.g. upgrades from buildings be the same for each race etc. will just make learning mechanics a ton easier. That’sa really good point. He won’t forget goon range | ||
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prosatan
Romania8491 Posts
Zero and Bisu are playing random and guess what ! Zero is zerg and Bisu protoss  | ||
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