EPTOn April 20 2020 00:37 True_Spike wrote:
Oh, yes! Please, play random. Actual random, don't race pick.
Oh, yes! Please, play random. Actual random, don't race pick.
you aren't allowed to racepick in tournaments, so it will be actual random.
Flash says he will choose random - Page 2
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Garrl
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you aren't allowed to racepick in tournaments, so it will be actual random. | ||
Firebolt145
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Miragee
8713 Posts
On April 20 2020 00:17 Ikirouta wrote: iirc that rule was removed a long time ago, we've seen random players in korean tourneys pop up once in a while, most recently BishOp played random in castermuses league. iirc random was never banned. Race picking for certain match ups was. At least for kespa. | ||
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Ikirouta
Finland747 Posts
On April 20 2020 00:54 Miragee wrote: iirc random was never banned. Race picking for certain match ups was. At least for kespa. I believe random was banned for a while during old proleague format. Iirc it was something like ZZ in 2v2 was banned -> people played ZR to have a chance to get ZZ, but after that random was banned from 2v2 and 1v1 for a bit. I could be wrong tho. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On April 20 2020 00:38 Garrl wrote: you aren't allowed to racepick in tournaments, so it will be actual random. Are you not? Savior notably picked Terran against GoRush. I thought you were allowed to play only 1 race in the courage tournaments, but it was free game in prep format. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4189 Posts
On April 19 2020 23:40 arbiter_md wrote: I don't think it's fair towards other players to choose random, unless random means him saying his race in the chat at the beginning of the game. So, the other player could plan how to play before scouting him. I REALLY don't get why people say it's not fair. You handicap yourself but needing to familiarize ALL 9 matchups instead of just 3 which outweighs the slight advantage of the opponent not knowing your race for the start of the game. | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9056 Posts
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ichthys
9 Posts
On April 19 2020 22:43 razorsuKe wrote: FINALLY he's going to legitimize random as a selectable race now :D You are Canadian! Surely you know all about Guillaume Patry's (very brief) reign of domination as a random player... | ||
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Highgamer
1473 Posts
On April 20 2020 01:39 Dante08 wrote: I REALLY don't get why people say it's not fair. You handicap yourself but needing to familiarize ALL 9 matchups instead of just 3 which outweighs the slight advantage of the opponent not knowing your race for the start of the game. This is true, generally speaking. That is, if we talk about normal mortals who struggle to play even one race well. But in the case of s.o. like Flash, with all the experience they have with off-racing, the "slight advantage" of playing random is actually HUGE. Flash knows all the vT matchups well anyway, and played tons of ZvP/PvZ up until this point. As his off-race sessions on ladder prove, it's not even that big of a handicap to him. A player of his caliber playing random forces the opponent to either roll the dice or to go down a narrow path of build-order options which Flash can anticipate. It forces them to send out scouts much earlier than usual. I think this is not to be underestimated on the highest level. Even on lower ranks it can be hard to play vs someone who goes off-race or random if they have a lot of experience with that, even more so if they get their favorite matchups. edit: I don't say they should forbid it btw. If anything then this will spice things up. | ||
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FyRe_DragOn
Canada2057 Posts
On April 20 2020 01:39 Dante08 wrote: I REALLY don't get why people say it's not fair. You handicap yourself but needing to familiarize ALL 9 matchups instead of just 3 which outweighs the slight advantage of the opponent not knowing your race for the start of the game. Its a massive advantage, and flash is already familiar with all 9 matchups, hes beaten light and larva with toss, brain with zerg, etc. Flash with random will be stronger than flash with T, because his opponents will have to limit themselves to suboptimal, weak openings that cover all 3 races and can scout early. In certain matchups thats basically an auto loss if the skill level is high enough. Random should be banned from tournaments if its not already, because it is imbalanced. A huge, unfair advantage is given to one player, and not to another. You do not really have to learn 9 matchups in their entirety either to play random, you only have to learn how to counter the way the opponents race is forced to play vs random. Any advantage early enough outweighs being outplayed later in the game, and sometimes that advantage is too large to overcome even by a superior player. | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9056 Posts
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
Pro terrans are good at handling cheese which is randoms greatest strength vs T (huge risks and rewards or very aggressive). A pro terran can just like 1 rax expand most maps and go into a normal game and not too far behind if the random player goes very greedy eco. Pro zergs, sure the zvz pull can be tough but in a bo3, bo5, bo7 series can the pro zerg just 12 hatch every game? I think it will be interesting to see if random flash can win zvt, zvz, pvz. Those are his hurdles | ||
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prosatan
Romania9391 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On April 20 2020 01:16 Ikirouta wrote: I believe random was banned for a while during old proleague format. Iirc it was something like ZZ in 2v2 was banned -> people played ZR to have a chance to get ZZ, but after that random was banned from 2v2 and 1v1 for a bit. I could be wrong tho. ZZ was indeed banned from 2v2. For 1v1 i don't recall. Really really nice to see him do this. I hope he can continue to live his dreams as a player. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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TelecoM
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Siz)Beggar
United States339 Posts
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
On April 20 2020 01:50 FyRe_DragOn wrote: Its a massive advantage, and flash is already familiar with all 9 matchups, hes beaten light and larva with toss, brain with zerg, etc. Flash with random will be stronger than flash with T, because his opponents will have to limit themselves to suboptimal, weak openings that cover all 3 races and can scout early. In certain matchups thats basically an auto loss if the skill level is high enough. Random should be banned from tournaments if its not already, because it is imbalanced. A huge, unfair advantage is given to one player, and not to another. You do not really have to learn 9 matchups in their entirety either to play random, you only have to learn how to counter the way the opponents race is forced to play vs random. Any advantage early enough outweighs being outplayed later in the game, and sometimes that advantage is too large to overcome even by a superior player. Dragon you racepick pretty much just one matchup. You got ZvP and PvZ down from both races. Flash has to pratice 9 matchups to your 2 matchups and he has 1/3 the practice time for each race. | ||
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BlackJack
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