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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8583 Posts
June 10 2020 04:16 GMT
#381
On June 10 2020 07:54 srj wrote:
I hope he does the same thing as zerg. Any similarly amazing games from him as Z yet?


Look srj , a game where Flash as zerg goes against FBH. Not so amazing imo, FBH went for a strange build as far as I can see.

Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
A.Alm
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden535 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-10 07:30:25
June 10 2020 07:29 GMT
#382
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4140 Posts
June 10 2020 08:49 GMT
#383
On May 26 2020 15:33 Anc13nt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2020 07:18 StarscreamG1 wrote:
IMO, players are so much better nowadays, even "mechanically" there are units much better to micro thanks to the custom keys, even for pros they can multitask better.


i think they would beat olden day players by using superior meta but their mechanics are probably a bit worse. Jaedong and Flash have both said they were basically stronger players in their progaming days.

Edit: Also, watch Jaedong 2009 WCG finals fpvod against Stork. His mechanics were something else back then.


Jinjin made a translation video where Zero said players were way better mechanically back then but stronger now strategically. If present pro-gamers played their past selves, the present day would win for maybe 5-10 games before the past adapts to it and eventually come out ahead due to superior mechanics.

He also mentioned the practice schedules which were absolutely brutal back in the day. They would practice maybe 10-14 hours every day compared to not even half nowadays. So it's not much of a surprise that their mechanics have dropped off significantly since their progamer days.
Jae Zedong
Profile Joined September 2016
407 Posts
June 10 2020 18:27 GMT
#384
On June 10 2020 17:49 Dante08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2020 15:33 Anc13nt wrote:
On May 26 2020 07:18 StarscreamG1 wrote:
IMO, players are so much better nowadays, even "mechanically" there are units much better to micro thanks to the custom keys, even for pros they can multitask better.


i think they would beat olden day players by using superior meta but their mechanics are probably a bit worse. Jaedong and Flash have both said they were basically stronger players in their progaming days.

Edit: Also, watch Jaedong 2009 WCG finals fpvod against Stork. His mechanics were something else back then.


Jinjin made a translation video where Zero said players were way better mechanically back then but stronger now strategically. If present pro-gamers played their past selves, the present day would win for maybe 5-10 games before the past adapts to it and eventually come out ahead due to superior mechanics.

He also mentioned the practice schedules which were absolutely brutal back in the day. They would practice maybe 10-14 hours every day compared to not even half nowadays. So it's not much of a surprise that their mechanics have dropped off significantly since their progamer days.


Saying current Afreeca pros are better than Kespa pros and would beat them in 2010 is like me saying Iโ€™m a better investor than Warren Buffett because I could pick better stocks than him in 1980 if I went back in a time machine with the benefit of hindsight.
Tyrant.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-10 19:35:12
June 10 2020 19:34 GMT
#385
On June 11 2020 03:27 Jae Zedong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2020 17:49 Dante08 wrote:
On May 26 2020 15:33 Anc13nt wrote:
On May 26 2020 07:18 StarscreamG1 wrote:
IMO, players are so much better nowadays, even "mechanically" there are units much better to micro thanks to the custom keys, even for pros they can multitask better.


i think they would beat olden day players by using superior meta but their mechanics are probably a bit worse. Jaedong and Flash have both said they were basically stronger players in their progaming days.

Edit: Also, watch Jaedong 2009 WCG finals fpvod against Stork. His mechanics were something else back then.


Jinjin made a translation video where Zero said players were way better mechanically back then but stronger now strategically. If present pro-gamers played their past selves, the present day would win for maybe 5-10 games before the past adapts to it and eventually come out ahead due to superior mechanics.

He also mentioned the practice schedules which were absolutely brutal back in the day. They would practice maybe 10-14 hours every day compared to not even half nowadays. So it's not much of a surprise that their mechanics have dropped off significantly since their progamer days.


Saying current Afreeca pros are better than Kespa pros and would beat them in 2010 is like me saying Iโ€™m a better investor than Warren Buffett because I could pick better stocks than him in 1980 if I went back in a time machine with the benefit of hindsight.

What a great way to reduce Zero's 2 dimensional explanation to a 1 dimensional statement that you can easily ridicule with a barely fitting comparision of hindsight vs theoretical knowledge
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
June 10 2020 20:21 GMT
#386
On June 11 2020 03:27 Jae Zedong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2020 17:49 Dante08 wrote:
On May 26 2020 15:33 Anc13nt wrote:
On May 26 2020 07:18 StarscreamG1 wrote:
IMO, players are so much better nowadays, even "mechanically" there are units much better to micro thanks to the custom keys, even for pros they can multitask better.


i think they would beat olden day players by using superior meta but their mechanics are probably a bit worse. Jaedong and Flash have both said they were basically stronger players in their progaming days.

Edit: Also, watch Jaedong 2009 WCG finals fpvod against Stork. His mechanics were something else back then.


Jinjin made a translation video where Zero said players were way better mechanically back then but stronger now strategically. If present pro-gamers played their past selves, the present day would win for maybe 5-10 games before the past adapts to it and eventually come out ahead due to superior mechanics.

He also mentioned the practice schedules which were absolutely brutal back in the day. They would practice maybe 10-14 hours every day compared to not even half nowadays. So it's not much of a surprise that their mechanics have dropped off significantly since their progamer days.


Saying current Afreeca pros are better than Kespa pros and would beat them in 2010 is like me saying Iโ€™m a better investor than Warren Buffett because I could pick better stocks than him in 1980 if I went back in a time machine with the benefit of hindsight.


Did you not read the post you commented on?
maru G5L pls
srj
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada134 Posts
June 11 2020 00:01 GMT
#387
Thanks for the VOD suggestions guys!
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
June 11 2020 00:44 GMT
#388
I think this one sums up the level of Flash's Z right now.

StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
mcgormack
Profile Joined March 2020
51 Posts
June 25 2020 13:13 GMT
#389
Watching Flash's stream, it seems like he's playing only Terran these days.

Probably because he's practicing for TeamLeague?
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8583 Posts
June 25 2020 21:40 GMT
#390
On June 25 2020 22:13 mcgormack wrote:
Watching Flash's stream, it seems like he's playing only Terran these days.

Probably because he's practicing for TeamLeague?

My guess also !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8583 Posts
November 09 2020 10:27 GMT
#391
I didn't want to make another thread and I will bump this one.

Original message (posted two days ago):

LAST RANDOM PLAY @ ASL! VS LARVA
์ฒ˜์Œ์ด์ž ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰์œผ๋กœ ์ถœ์ „ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๋žœ๋ค ASL!
์ด์ œ๋Š” 3,4์œ„์ „๋งŒ ๋‚จ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค!
๊ณผ์—ฐ ์ด์˜ํ˜ธ ์„ ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์ž„ํ™๊ทœ ์„ ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์ƒ๋Œ€๋กœ 3,4์œ„์ „์—์„œ ์ด๊ธธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?

์˜ค๋Š˜ ์ด์˜ํ˜ธ ์œ ํŠœ๋ธŒ๋กœ ASL๊ฒฝ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ด์•ผํ•˜๋Š” ์ด์œ !

#1 ์˜ค๋Š˜์€ ์ค‘๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ๋ถˆ๊ฐ€ํ•˜๊ธฐ์— ASL ๊ณต์‹๋ฐฉ์†ก ๋…นํ™”๋ณธ์ด ์—…๋กœ๋“œ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
๋ฐ•์ƒํ˜„, ์ด์Šน์›, ์ž„์„ฑ์ถ˜์ด ์ค‘๊ณ„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณต์‹์˜์ƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋งŒ๋‚˜๋ณด์‹œ์ฃ !

#2 3:0์œผ๋กœ ๋๋‚˜๋„ 3:1๋กœ ๋๋‚˜๋„ ์Šคํฌ์ผ๋Ÿฌ ๋ฐฉ์ง€์˜์ƒ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฒฝ๊ธฐ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ณ  ๋ณด๊ธฐ!
๊ฒฝ๊ธฐ์˜์ƒ ๊ฐฏ์ˆ˜๋กœ ์Šคํฌ์ผ๋กœ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ–ˆ๋˜ ์ ์„ ๋ฐฉ์ง€ํ•˜๊ณ ์ž ์Šคํฌ์ผ๋Ÿฌ ๋ฐฉ์ง€์˜์ƒ์„ ์—…๋กœ๋“œํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค!
p.s ์Šคํฌ์ผ๋Ÿฌ ๋ฐฉ์ง€์˜์ƒ์— ์‹ซ์–ด์š”๋Š” ์ž์ œํ•ด์ฃผ์„ธ์š”(ใ… _ใ… )

๊ตฌ๋…๊ณผ ์•Œ๋žŒ์„ค์ • ํ›„ ๊ธฐ๋‹ค๋ ค์ฃผ์„ธ์š”!

ASL ์‹œ์ฆŒ 10 3/4์œ„์ „
2020.11.07 19:00(KST)
์ด์˜ํ˜ธ (R) VS ์ž„ํ™๊ทœ (Z)
1๊ฒฝ๊ธฐ : ์ดํด๋ฆฝ์Šค
2๊ฒฝ๊ธฐ : ํ”Œ๋ผ์ฆˆ๋งˆ
3๊ฒฝ๊ธฐ : ํด๋ฆฌํฌ์ด๋“œ
4๊ฒฝ๊ธฐ : ๋ฒค์  
5๊ฒฝ๊ธฐ : ์˜ตํ‹ฐ๋งˆ์ด์ €๏ปฟ

Source: https://www.youtube.com/c/FlaSh์ด์˜ํ˜ธ/community

Google translate:

The first and last random ASL to compete!
Only 3rd and 4th place matches are left now!
Will Lee Young-ho be able to win the 3rd and 4th place against Lim Hong-gyu?

Why Lee Young-ho should watch ASL games on YouTube today!

#1 A record of ASL's official broadcast will be uploaded because it cannot be broadcast today.
Let's see the official video broadcast by Park Sang-hyun, Lee Seung-won, and Lim Seong-chun!

#2 Even if it ends in 3:0, even if it ends in 3:1, it is a spoiler prevention video and you do not know the match result!
We upload a spoiler prevention video to prevent spoiling from the number of game videos!
p.s Please refrain from dislike of spoiler prevention video (ใ… _ใ… )

Please wait after subscribing and setting the alarm!

ASL Season 10 3rd Place Match
2020.11.07 19:00(KST)
Youngho Lee (R) VS Hongkyu Lim (Z)
Match 1: Eclipse
Match 2: Plasma
Match 3: Polypoid
Match 4: Benzene
Match 5: Optimizer

I guess this is it! Next ASL Flash will go with his main race, most certainly
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4144 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-09 10:57:40
November 09 2020 10:51 GMT
#392
hope so, either main race or to take a challenge with another race, but random just doesnt produce fun and competitive games, its mostly about BO, scouting advantages and sloppy decisions and plays

p.s. additionally I always thought that they should have made random show what race it gave and they should have done it 15 years ago when BW became competitive. Otherwise its just for gimmicks.
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
November 09 2020 11:24 GMT
#393
On November 09 2020 19:51 M2 wrote:
hope so, either main race or to take a challenge with another race, but random just doesnt produce fun and competitive games, its mostly about BO, scouting advantages and sloppy decisions and plays

p.s. additionally I always thought that they should have made random show what race it gave and they should have done it 15 years ago when BW became competitive. Otherwise its just for gimmicks.

Going third place in highest caliber tournament is just sloppy plays and sloppy decisions? Random is way harder than sticking with just one race. Why do you think that random player should give out the only advantage when the disadvantage of having to practice three times more match ups heavily outweights it? Every other random player have failed to achieve what Flash achieved and saying it's all about builds and gimmicks is definitely an understatement.
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
November 09 2020 11:40 GMT
#394
any way to hate on flash basically and put down his accomplishments

"he just got lucky!" "random is sooo uncompetitive" bla bla. imagine preparing so much as a random player, getting to an unprecedented 3rd in a lan event and still seeing this sort of shit comments online to discredit your effort lolll
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4144 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-09 16:28:45
November 09 2020 16:22 GMT
#395
On November 09 2020 20:24 Piste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2020 19:51 M2 wrote:
hope so, either main race or to take a challenge with another race, but random just doesnt produce fun and competitive games, its mostly about BO, scouting advantages and sloppy decisions and plays

p.s. additionally I always thought that they should have made random show what race it gave and they should have done it 15 years ago when BW became competitive. Otherwise its just for gimmicks.

Going third place in highest caliber tournament is just sloppy plays and sloppy decisions? Random is way harder than sticking with just one race. Why do you think that random player should give out the only advantage when the disadvantage of having to practice three times more match ups heavily outweights it? Every other random player have failed to achieve what Flash achieved and saying it's all about builds and gimmicks is definitely an understatement.

I actually did not mean Flash at all, but the whole dynamic when there is random. The sloppy decisions and plays can come on both sides, mostly affecting the non random player if we have to go into the details. Additionally, I dont think picking random should provide any kind of advantages especially the one that it provides right now - making the other player going sub optimal build orders and guessing for no competitive reasons. You wanna go random and make the other person prepare vs 3 different possible races - be my guest, but it should not stay hidden and rely on imbalanced distribution of critical information imo


p.s. Random being hidden was/is especially dumb for the ladder games where every vs random player was some kind of gimmick that brought nothing meaningful to the table.
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
lamarine
Profile Joined January 2003
587 Posts
November 09 2020 16:54 GMT
#396
On November 10 2020 01:22 M2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2020 20:24 Piste wrote:
On November 09 2020 19:51 M2 wrote:
hope so, either main race or to take a challenge with another race, but random just doesnt produce fun and competitive games, its mostly about BO, scouting advantages and sloppy decisions and plays

p.s. additionally I always thought that they should have made random show what race it gave and they should have done it 15 years ago when BW became competitive. Otherwise its just for gimmicks.

Going third place in highest caliber tournament is just sloppy plays and sloppy decisions? Random is way harder than sticking with just one race. Why do you think that random player should give out the only advantage when the disadvantage of having to practice three times more match ups heavily outweights it? Every other random player have failed to achieve what Flash achieved and saying it's all about builds and gimmicks is definitely an understatement.

I actually did not mean Flash at all, but the whole dynamic when there is random. The sloppy decisions and plays can come on both sides, mostly affecting the non random player if we have to go into the details. Additionally, I dont think picking random should provide any kind of advantages especially the one that it provides right now - making the other player going sub optimal build orders and guessing for no competitive reasons. You wanna go random and make the other person prepare vs 3 different possible races - be my guest, but it should not stay hidden and rely on imbalanced distribution of critical information imo


p.s. Random being hidden was/is especially dumb for the ladder games where every vs random player was some kind of gimmick that brought nothing meaningful to the table.


exactly my thoughts...
in the end, random player gets huge advantage in curtain situations and it's just not fun to watch.
If the race was shown to other player in the beginning of the game, then it would be quite alright.
So... BW is back
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4244 Posts
November 09 2020 17:24 GMT
#397
damn shame
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
November 09 2020 18:02 GMT
#398
tbh it just doesn't feel right whenever flash isn't playing terran.
Brood War loyalist
Neneu
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway492 Posts
November 09 2020 18:50 GMT
#399
Idk, I really loved watching him as random. Too bad he isn't going random next ASL.
Rainalcar
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia427 Posts
November 09 2020 19:13 GMT
#400
He should go P and try and prove that P can be as dominant as T/Z.
j.r.r.
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