FlaSh's Thought on New 973 That Broke ZvP - Page 4

On August 28 2019 17:56 AttackZerg wrote:
Jinjin, I also criticized the titled. I also watched the video and others relating to this new approach.

Thank you for your hard work and for providing such high level content.

Sometimes I think we all forget how lucky we are to have community members like you.

Have a great day/night and may fortune rain coins into your accounts! Cheers.

On August 28 2019 18:00 jinjin5000 wrote:


Title sure, I'm translating the title loosely or in context most of time and Korean vids are pretty clickbaity, but him spewing out asl results while clearly not knowing about context behind this was the trigger part when this 9734 topic has been pretty big new issue recently in korea.

On August 28 2019 17:38 jinjin5000 wrote:


Lol then dont post on it and dont watch it. You are welcome to fuck off. Its literally titled "new sagi 973build? Flash's thought on it" on flashes youtube channel and flash talks about it being currently broken while drawing parallels to the community outburst in korean scene when 111 first came out

Well its obvious you are an idiot and havent watched a single minute if you posted anyway since flash addresses the "brokeness" of build from minute 1. You bringing up those stats when 9734 build only came out recently ( right before ro8) is meaningless as well as action having appendicitis surgery days before his game makes it clear that you are retarded if you said this despite watching the video and knowing context behind this video and situation.


Might want to look at general community trends, spon matches and streamer& community outlook before putting retarded drivel like "bbut look at the recent asl results!!!" when even that point was covered during flash's explanation (ability to blind counter strat).

I'm surprised you can even post given your mental condition tbh

On August 29 2019 08:55 XenOsky wrote:


warned¿¿¿¿ this man should be given a medal.

On August 29 2019 09:54 tankgirl wrote:
I would be interested to poll all the Korean SCBW Pro Gamers to ask what balance changes they would implement. I bet not a single one of them would genuinely like to see Blizzard start messing with the balance of the game. I for one hope that Blizzard never makes changes at all.

If this bothers you, feel free to pick up SCMDraft and make yourself a UMS map. Or play one of the 40,000 UMS maps already in existence?

On August 29 2019 20:21 Liquid`Drone wrote:
zealots were 80-80 and they were strengthened by being made 60/100

On August 29 2019 19:47 AttackZerg wrote:
Wombat - I would counter your argument about a game that wasn't "built with a competitive balance in mind" and say, that is precisely how we luck boxed our way here.

Corporate entities designing the play of an RTS has not yielded fair or balanced, ever.

But the team, originally behind our game was talented and wise. When they increased the cost of the spawning pool and increased build time, slightly weakened zealots (used to be 100/100 100/100) they did this as a result of very obvious early game imbalances. They were not designing a game that is perfectly fair.

(in the text above I incorrectly state that Zealots were weakened, when infact they were strengthed, Thx Eri)

I think the lack of balance is one of the virtues of broodwar. As a zerg, all of my heros have been kilt my terrans and drowned protoss players in rivers. As a player, I have 1 matchup slightly in my favor, another slightly out of my favor and one that is \null\. and in that glorious imbalance, we have our game.

Coming from Chess, it always made sense to me that sometimes I started off an underdog and sometimes an overdog.

Or I just lack the imagination for what a balanced game would look like. All sc2 did was reinforce my idea that there is nobody who is good enough at games, designing the games we play to make these choices and even worse the players who are good, are horrible arbiters of fairness. Imagine if Idra was giving a platform to spout his opinions on Protoss?

I can only imagine them doing worse then now.

This build has not negatively effected Protoss results anywhere except ladder. In competitive play, Zergs are doing even worse then before, not because of the build, but because of poor judgement and decisions directly following it.

I hope Effort gets out early and relearns all these Hydra-homies how zerg is supposed to look.... our super power is to predict any punch and negate it by tactic, trick or tech. We have not been the slaves of tempo based plays in this matchup and I hope this fade passes and we get to see Zergs play well again.

Save the imagination for ZvT my fellow swarm, ZvP is still our matchup. 6 hat lurker-ling/scourge into 10-11 hat lategame is still the best, strongest, most brutal shit you can do to a protoss. They are an evil people who danced with the powers of the X'el naga. Make Them Suffer.


Edit: Also wanted to add, balance would break the gameplay. Draws in a genre without the option for draws make no sense. Imbalance and imperfection stop every match-up from being as redundent as zvz and tvt .... PvP seems to have enough variety to make decent TV, Esp when Rain or Bisu are playing.