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FlaSh's Thought on New 973 That Broke ZvP

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jinjin5000
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1422 Posts
August 24 2019 18:59 GMT
#1


tl;dr: Dazed BTFO
9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
August 24 2019 18:59 GMT
#2
die dazed

User was warned for this post
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
jinjin5000
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1422 Posts
August 24 2019 19:01 GMT
#3
On August 25 2019 03:59 9-BiT wrote:
die dazed


its too late, hes banned
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
August 24 2019 19:36 GMT
#4
As I've been arguing since something like 2015 we need to keep FS and CB out of tournaments to keep improving on what we have.

<3 map evolution
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jinjin5000
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1422 Posts
August 24 2019 19:58 GMT
#5
On August 25 2019 04:36 Qikz wrote:
As I've been arguing since something like 2015 we need to keep FS and CB out of tournaments to keep improving on what we have.

<3 map evolution


He was talking about stragety coming out as counter and innovation. Map changes are last resort that may sometimes be needed. Not really what flash is saying
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-24 20:37:25
August 24 2019 20:34 GMT
#6
Dazed is not here to speak so I will be here to play devil's advocate for him.

This is a mere blip for what is otherwise a STALE meta. It seriously makes me think Brood War fans are a cult. That expanding instead of getting a macro hatchery is seen as revolutionary is just sad. All PvZ is about is just hydras fighting zealot ht. And nothing but a fundamental change in map/unit design will change this.

Sorry but 9734 won't bring my friends back to this stale game. Maybe make guardians shoot broodlings while adding fungal growth on defiler (so that we can have BROODlord-infestor in BROOD War, for Christ's sake). Also, my hydras just get shredded by psi storm. Not fun so let's make hydras have 99 hp to make it more friendly for casual players. A good implication of this buff is that maybe 9734 will be so strong that protoss will have to resort to FRESH ways of playing like sair reaver and 1 base builds.

9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
August 24 2019 21:15 GMT
#7
On August 25 2019 04:36 Qikz wrote:
As I've been arguing since something like 2015 we need to keep FS and CB out of tournaments to keep improving on what we have.

<3 map evolution

You realize that's the exact opposite of what he's saying right?
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
sntct
Profile Joined February 2018
100 Posts
August 24 2019 21:52 GMT
#8
What is the build order for the 973 build? I'm not familiar with it.
jinjin5000
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1422 Posts
August 24 2019 21:55 GMT
#9
On August 25 2019 06:52 sntct wrote:
What is the build order for the 973 build? I'm not familiar with it.


https://tl.net/forum/bw-strategy/550622-zvp-zeros-new-9734-build
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2268 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-24 22:26:14
August 24 2019 22:12 GMT
#10
Flash is right, forge f exp > stargate openning, is weak vs 973 or 9734, so maybe ffexp > robo or ffexp > citadel is the way to go... we will see soon enough... love this wild changes in the meta, keeps the game being very interesting.

To be honest, im not really worried as a protoss of the 9734 build, im much more concerned with the rax bunker expand > 3 vulture build... even tho i think that 1 gate > robo deals with it just fine, the problem comes when T decides to 2 fact after bunker or just take the free eco advantage and throw a cc armory academy... mb 16 nexus after gate is the answer... who knows. We got a lot of strong protoss in korea at the moment so i think protoss is gonna be ok after all.
StarCraft & Audax Italiano.
Chronopolis
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1484 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-24 22:26:17
August 24 2019 22:21 GMT
#11
On August 25 2019 05:34 Anc13nt wrote:
Dazed is not here to speak so I will be here to play devil's advocate for him.

This is a mere blip for what is otherwise a STALE meta. It seriously makes me think Brood War fans are a cult. That expanding instead of getting a macro hatchery is seen as revolutionary is just sad. All PvZ is about is just hydras fighting zealot ht. And nothing but a fundamental change in map/unit design will change this.

Sorry but 9734 won't bring my friends back to this stale game. Maybe make guardians shoot broodlings while adding fungal growth on defiler (so that we can have BROODlord-infestor in BROOD War, for Christ's sake). Also, my hydras just get shredded by psi storm. Not fun so let's make hydras have 99 hp to make it more friendly for casual players. A good implication of this buff is that maybe 9734 will be so strong that protoss will have to resort to FRESH ways of playing like sair reaver and 1 base builds.


BW is based on slight build adjustments, and large amount of micro/positional depth associated with any one unit composition. I mean in fantasy land we could have the same depth but more viable comps, but thats not how the game turned out. Also if you are good enough you can make any kind of off-meta build work.
jinjin5000
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1422 Posts
August 24 2019 23:03 GMT
#12
On August 25 2019 07:21 Chronopolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 05:34 Anc13nt wrote:
Dazed is not here to speak so I will be here to play devil's advocate for him.

This is a mere blip for what is otherwise a STALE meta. It seriously makes me think Brood War fans are a cult. That expanding instead of getting a macro hatchery is seen as revolutionary is just sad. All PvZ is about is just hydras fighting zealot ht. And nothing but a fundamental change in map/unit design will change this.

Sorry but 9734 won't bring my friends back to this stale game. Maybe make guardians shoot broodlings while adding fungal growth on defiler (so that we can have BROODlord-infestor in BROOD War, for Christ's sake). Also, my hydras just get shredded by psi storm. Not fun so let's make hydras have 99 hp to make it more friendly for casual players. A good implication of this buff is that maybe 9734 will be so strong that protoss will have to resort to FRESH ways of playing like sair reaver and 1 base builds.


BW is based on slight build adjustments, and large amount of micro/positional depth associated with any one unit composition. I mean in fantasy land we could have the same depth but more viable comps, but thats not how the game turned out. Also if you are good enough you can make any kind of off-meta build work.


lmao
tankgirl
Profile Blog Joined May 2016
Canada407 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-25 01:23:59
August 25 2019 01:23 GMT
#13
thank you for sharing this video! flash's game sense is astonishing...

in this thread: D-league amateurs argue against the highest rated ELO player / 3 MSL / 3 OSL / Golden mouse winner....

if you dont like the meta, go play something else? or maybe apply your energy elsewhere, like email the Vatican with some suggestions for improving the Sistine Chapel? blizzard. will. never. make. balance. changes.

https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/627255-progamer-settings
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10671 Posts
August 25 2019 01:31 GMT
#14
On August 25 2019 05:34 Anc13nt wrote:
Dazed is not here to speak so I will be here to play devil's advocate for him.

This is a mere blip for what is otherwise a STALE meta. It seriously makes me think Brood War fans are a cult. That expanding instead of getting a macro hatchery is seen as revolutionary is just sad. All PvZ is about is just hydras fighting zealot ht. And nothing but a fundamental change in map/unit design will change this.

Sorry but 9734 won't bring my friends back to this stale game. Maybe make guardians shoot broodlings while adding fungal growth on defiler (so that we can have BROODlord-infestor in BROOD War, for Christ's sake). Also, my hydras just get shredded by psi storm. Not fun so let's make hydras have 99 hp to make it more friendly for casual players. A good implication of this buff is that maybe 9734 will be so strong that protoss will have to resort to FRESH ways of playing like sair reaver and 1 base builds.



Man, if you miss fungal and broodlord infestor, go back to SC2, this was one of the most disgusting comments I've read in awhile...are you drunk or something?

The Meta will continue to evolve, 1base sair reaver isn't fresh, it's minimal multitasking for a newb to try and have fun, this is an RTS not a MOBA. You have to multitask, I think Protoss will most likely start skipping stargate and just going Forge FE -> 4gate with dark archon / archon / zealot legs in order to combat this build, in my experience opening Forge FE into 4-5 gate Zealot legs and skipping stargate absolutely crushes this build, of course it is somewhat blind but that is what the defensive cannons and Archon are for.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
chozen86
Profile Blog Joined May 2017
United States60 Posts
August 25 2019 02:01 GMT
#15
On August 25 2019 05:34 Anc13nt wrote:
Dazed is not here to speak so I will be here to play devil's advocate for him.

This is a mere blip for what is otherwise a STALE meta. It seriously makes me think Brood War fans are a cult. That expanding instead of getting a macro hatchery is seen as revolutionary is just sad. All PvZ is about is just hydras fighting zealot ht. And nothing but a fundamental change in map/unit design will change this.

Sorry but 9734 won't bring my friends back to this stale game. Maybe make guardians shoot broodlings while adding fungal growth on defiler (so that we can have BROODlord-infestor in BROOD War, for Christ's sake). Also, my hydras just get shredded by psi storm. Not fun so let's make hydras have 99 hp to make it more friendly for casual players. A good implication of this buff is that maybe 9734 will be so strong that protoss will have to resort to FRESH ways of playing like sair reaver and 1 base builds.



LMAO immediately thought of Dazed when I watched this. A+ trolling here too, you really channeled the spirit of Dazed well. :D
Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
August 25 2019 02:09 GMT
#16
On August 25 2019 05:34 Anc13nt wrote:
Dazed is not here to speak so I will be here to play devil's advocate for him.

This is a mere blip for what is otherwise a STALE meta. It seriously makes me think Brood War fans are a cult. That expanding instead of getting a macro hatchery is seen as revolutionary is just sad. All PvZ is about is just hydras fighting zealot ht. And nothing but a fundamental change in map/unit design will change this.

Sorry but 9734 won't bring my friends back to this stale game. Maybe make guardians shoot broodlings while adding fungal growth on defiler (so that we can have BROODlord-infestor in BROOD War, for Christ's sake). Also, my hydras just get shredded by psi storm. Not fun so let's make hydras have 99 hp to make it more friendly for casual players. A good implication of this buff is that maybe 9734 will be so strong that protoss will have to resort to FRESH ways of playing like sair reaver and 1 base builds.


It's like he's in the room, A+
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
August 25 2019 02:59 GMT
#17
Hey I really enjoyed this video. I had to rewatch it a few times before I understood all the concepts. I would love jinjin to make a video about what Scan recommended, TvP current meta.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
August 25 2019 03:30 GMT
#18
On August 25 2019 11:09 Wonk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 05:34 Anc13nt wrote:
Dazed is not here to speak so I will be here to play devil's advocate for him.

This is a mere blip for what is otherwise a STALE meta. It seriously makes me think Brood War fans are a cult. That expanding instead of getting a macro hatchery is seen as revolutionary is just sad. All PvZ is about is just hydras fighting zealot ht. And nothing but a fundamental change in map/unit design will change this.

Sorry but 9734 won't bring my friends back to this stale game. Maybe make guardians shoot broodlings while adding fungal growth on defiler (so that we can have BROODlord-infestor in BROOD War, for Christ's sake). Also, my hydras just get shredded by psi storm. Not fun so let's make hydras have 99 hp to make it more friendly for casual players. A good implication of this buff is that maybe 9734 will be so strong that protoss will have to resort to FRESH ways of playing like sair reaver and 1 base builds.


It's like he's in the room, A+


Even though I read the first line .... It still got me.

I rewrote my post twice before .... it realized it wasn't Dazed. Well played sir.

Please stop. The Cancer Is Spreading.
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4231 Posts
August 25 2019 09:27 GMT
#19
It will be sad when this guy goes away from thinking about this game.

He suggesting things to other reaces to deal with their problems is rather funny. It is even funnier that they dont listen to him or at least try it xD (well maybe they tried it and couldnt make it work?)
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25085 Posts
August 25 2019 10:28 GMT
#20
I can imagine Flash just sitting on an Esports throne in future, his face most unimpressed with a large line of people queuing for his counsel. ‘Yes, my child’ before people timidly ask God their question on balance or strategy.

Make it happen I say. I imagine it’s more lucrative and enjoyable for him to stream but it’s far less visually evocative.

I can just imagine him giving a 3 hour impassioned lecture after a certain TL poster braved the line to ask him ‘is Brood War stale?’
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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