WCStl;dr: Dazed BTFO
FlaSh's Thought on New 973 That Broke ZvP
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jinjin5000
Korea (South)758 Posts
tl;dr: Dazed BTFO | ||
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9-BiT
United States941 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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jinjin5000
Korea (South)758 Posts
On August 25 2019 03:59 9-BiT wrote: die dazed its too late, hes banned | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom11264 Posts
<3 map evolution | ||
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jinjin5000
Korea (South)758 Posts
On August 25 2019 04:36 Qikz wrote: As I've been arguing since something like 2015 we need to keep FS and CB out of tournaments to keep improving on what we have. <3 map evolution He was talking about stragety coming out as counter and innovation. Map changes are last resort that may sometimes be needed. Not really what flash is saying | ||
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Anc13nt
861 Posts
This is a mere blip for what is otherwise a STALE meta. It seriously makes me think Brood War fans are a cult. That expanding instead of getting a macro hatchery is seen as revolutionary is just sad. All PvZ is about is just hydras fighting zealot ht. And nothing but a fundamental change in map/unit design will change this. Sorry but 9734 won't bring my friends back to this stale game. Maybe make guardians shoot broodlings while adding fungal growth on defiler (so that we can have BROODlord-infestor in BROOD War, for Christ's sake). Also, my hydras just get shredded by psi storm. Not fun so let's make hydras have 99 hp to make it more friendly for casual players. A good implication of this buff is that maybe 9734 will be so strong that protoss will have to resort to FRESH ways of playing like sair reaver and 1 base builds. | ||
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9-BiT
United States941 Posts
On August 25 2019 04:36 Qikz wrote: As I've been arguing since something like 2015 we need to keep FS and CB out of tournaments to keep improving on what we have. <3 map evolution You realize that's the exact opposite of what he's saying right? | ||
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sntct
16 Posts
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jinjin5000
Korea (South)758 Posts
On August 25 2019 06:52 sntct wrote: What is the build order for the 973 build? I'm not familiar with it. https://tl.net/forum/bw-strategy/550622-zvp-zeros-new-9734-build | ||
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XenOsky
Chile1615 Posts
To be honest, im not really worried as a protoss of the 9734 build, im much more concerned with the rax bunker expand > 3 vulture build... even tho i think that 1 gate > robo deals with it just fine, the problem comes when T decides to 2 fact after bunker or just take the free eco advantage and throw a cc armory academy... mb 16 nexus after gate is the answer... who knows. We got a lot of strong protoss in korea at the moment so i think protoss is gonna be ok after all. | ||
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Chronopolis
Canada1477 Posts
On August 25 2019 05:34 Anc13nt wrote: Dazed is not here to speak so I will be here to play devil's advocate for him. This is a mere blip for what is otherwise a STALE meta. It seriously makes me think Brood War fans are a cult. That expanding instead of getting a macro hatchery is seen as revolutionary is just sad. All PvZ is about is just hydras fighting zealot ht. And nothing but a fundamental change in map/unit design will change this. Sorry but 9734 won't bring my friends back to this stale game. Maybe make guardians shoot broodlings while adding fungal growth on defiler (so that we can have BROODlord-infestor in BROOD War, for Christ's sake). Also, my hydras just get shredded by psi storm. Not fun so let's make hydras have 99 hp to make it more friendly for casual players. A good implication of this buff is that maybe 9734 will be so strong that protoss will have to resort to FRESH ways of playing like sair reaver and 1 base builds. BW is based on slight build adjustments, and large amount of micro/positional depth associated with any one unit composition. I mean in fantasy land we could have the same depth but more viable comps, but thats not how the game turned out. Also if you are good enough you can make any kind of off-meta build work. | ||
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jinjin5000
Korea (South)758 Posts
On August 25 2019 07:21 Chronopolis wrote: BW is based on slight build adjustments, and large amount of micro/positional depth associated with any one unit composition. I mean in fantasy land we could have the same depth but more viable comps, but thats not how the game turned out. Also if you are good enough you can make any kind of off-meta build work. lmao | ||
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tankgirl
124 Posts
in this thread: D-league amateurs argue against the highest rated ELO player / 3 MSL / 3 OSL / Golden mouse winner.... if you dont like the meta, go play something else? or maybe apply your energy elsewhere, like email the Vatican with some suggestions for improving the Sistine Chapel? blizzard. will. never. make. balance. changes. | ||
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GGzerG
United States9442 Posts
On August 25 2019 05:34 Anc13nt wrote: Dazed is not here to speak so I will be here to play devil's advocate for him. This is a mere blip for what is otherwise a STALE meta. It seriously makes me think Brood War fans are a cult. That expanding instead of getting a macro hatchery is seen as revolutionary is just sad. All PvZ is about is just hydras fighting zealot ht. And nothing but a fundamental change in map/unit design will change this. Sorry but 9734 won't bring my friends back to this stale game. Maybe make guardians shoot broodlings while adding fungal growth on defiler (so that we can have BROODlord-infestor in BROOD War, for Christ's sake). Also, my hydras just get shredded by psi storm. Not fun so let's make hydras have 99 hp to make it more friendly for casual players. A good implication of this buff is that maybe 9734 will be so strong that protoss will have to resort to FRESH ways of playing like sair reaver and 1 base builds. Man, if you miss fungal and broodlord infestor, go back to SC2, this was one of the most disgusting comments I've read in awhile...are you drunk or something? The Meta will continue to evolve, 1base sair reaver isn't fresh, it's minimal multitasking for a newb to try and have fun, this is an RTS not a MOBA. You have to multitask, I think Protoss will most likely start skipping stargate and just going Forge FE -> 4gate with dark archon / archon / zealot legs in order to combat this build, in my experience opening Forge FE into 4-5 gate Zealot legs and skipping stargate absolutely crushes this build, of course it is somewhat blind but that is what the defensive cannons and Archon are for. | ||
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chozen86
United States38 Posts
On August 25 2019 05:34 Anc13nt wrote: Dazed is not here to speak so I will be here to play devil's advocate for him. This is a mere blip for what is otherwise a STALE meta. It seriously makes me think Brood War fans are a cult. That expanding instead of getting a macro hatchery is seen as revolutionary is just sad. All PvZ is about is just hydras fighting zealot ht. And nothing but a fundamental change in map/unit design will change this. Sorry but 9734 won't bring my friends back to this stale game. Maybe make guardians shoot broodlings while adding fungal growth on defiler (so that we can have BROODlord-infestor in BROOD War, for Christ's sake). Also, my hydras just get shredded by psi storm. Not fun so let's make hydras have 99 hp to make it more friendly for casual players. A good implication of this buff is that maybe 9734 will be so strong that protoss will have to resort to FRESH ways of playing like sair reaver and 1 base builds. LMAO immediately thought of Dazed when I watched this. A+ trolling here too, you really channeled the spirit of Dazed well. :D | ||
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Wonk
459 Posts
On August 25 2019 05:34 Anc13nt wrote: Dazed is not here to speak so I will be here to play devil's advocate for him. This is a mere blip for what is otherwise a STALE meta. It seriously makes me think Brood War fans are a cult. That expanding instead of getting a macro hatchery is seen as revolutionary is just sad. All PvZ is about is just hydras fighting zealot ht. And nothing but a fundamental change in map/unit design will change this. Sorry but 9734 won't bring my friends back to this stale game. Maybe make guardians shoot broodlings while adding fungal growth on defiler (so that we can have BROODlord-infestor in BROOD War, for Christ's sake). Also, my hydras just get shredded by psi storm. Not fun so let's make hydras have 99 hp to make it more friendly for casual players. A good implication of this buff is that maybe 9734 will be so strong that protoss will have to resort to FRESH ways of playing like sair reaver and 1 base builds. It's like he's in the room, A+ | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1138 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States6874 Posts
Even though I read the first line .... It still got me. I rewrote my post twice before .... it realized it wasn't Dazed. Well played sir. Please stop. The Cancer Is Spreading. | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal3323 Posts
He suggesting things to other reaces to deal with their problems is rather funny. It is even funnier that they dont listen to him or at least try it xD (well maybe they tried it and couldnt make it work?) | ||
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Wombat_NI
Northern Ireland11218 Posts
Make it happen I say. I imagine it’s more lucrative and enjoyable for him to stream but it’s far less visually evocative. I can just imagine him giving a 3 hour impassioned lecture after a certain TL poster braved the line to ask him ‘is Brood War stale?’ | ||
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