Not enough content for F ranked players - Page 2

On September 11 2018 05:47 leublix wrote:
Tournament for low league players (like really low, F-E) would really help.

Ladder numbers are too low so it's really hard to find matches that are somewhat even. Structures tournament can help there and are way more fun to play than ladder.

Additional content to learn the game is not really necessary imo. There is already a lot and having competitive options where you are not crushed by players with 150 apm more than you is more important.

On September 10 2018 15:44 bovienchien wrote:
I have been playing Starcraft so much. Last season, I played more than 2000 games. My max mmr was 1650.

I often get F, D, C rank. I don't know difference between F rank and C rank. They have high apm, most people who play with me, have than 200 apm.

F, D, C rank are the same: apm, strategy, micro, marco, cheese, knowledge about Starcraft.

I also don't know why I won, I lost a lot of games. Yesterday, it was my first time, I reached B rank and immediately I lost 5 games stretch.

Finally, I think ladder games, it isn't for people who play Starcraft less than 6 months seriously. Blizzard should open option to players who choose their level. They can't play a game, when they lose very easily in 10 games stretch. Actually, I have 1500 mmr, it's a success.

I have played Starcraft for 15 years. My level likes a newbie.

On September 09 2018 20:32 nanaoei wrote:
the content is to play the game with people you know, at your level.
hypothetically speaking, that's how you learn organically and can get the quality of game you look for.

On September 11 2018 08:12 thedeadhaji wrote:


I definitely think that having a small community of sorts (or at least 1 friend) that you can play friendly matches with without being toooo stressed out about results, plus post game review is really helpful.

This + playing single player vs computer macroing to 200/200 while moving army around middle of the map was useful for me back in the day when I first started playing.

On September 09 2018 20:39 onlystar wrote:
yeah i dont know what to tell you here.. just do what everybody else does? watch what (safe) buildorders are used at pro level and work from there? you dont need to copy it 100% just basicly do the same opening go from there...

On September 11 2018 10:13 Luddite wrote:


I'm not convinced that pro level build orders are actually good for beginning players. For one thing, they're usually too optimized for economy/tech, with just a bare minimum of defense. As a beginner it's too easy to just get rolled from minor screwups early on, and you probably can't handle all that much economy anyway, so you just end up floating resources. Much easier to just build more static defense instead. I mean, you're not going to win any starleagues that way, but that's probably not a realistic goal anyway so....

Also, it just takes some of the fun away when all you do is blindly copy someone else's build orders. I wish we had more of a community of lower-level players who felt free to try their own and experiment. There's a lot of strategies that don't work at the pro level, but still work just fine at lower levels. Like hydras in ZvZ for example.

On September 11 2018 10:13 Luddite wrote:

I'm not convinced that pro level build orders are actually good for beginning players. For one thing, they're usually too optimized for economy/tech, with just a bare minimum of defense. As a beginner it's too easy to just get rolled from minor screwups early on, and you probably can't handle all that much economy anyway, so you just end up floating resources. Much easier to just build more static defense instead. I mean, you're not going to win any starleagues that way, but that's probably not a realistic goal anyway so....

Also, it just takes some of the fun away when all you do is blindly copy someone else's build orders. I wish we had more of a community of lower-level players who felt free to try their own and experiment. There's a lot of strategies that don't work at the pro level, but still work just fine at lower levels. Like hydras in ZvZ for example.

On September 12 2018 01:24 badpenny wrote:
As a huge noob myself, I think there's not really a problem with the quality/amount of beginner-level resources for teaching strategy and game concepts. The point has already been made in this thread that the information is a bit scattered and disorganized, but that's not anywhere near the biggest hurdle for new players imo. What is really needed are resources for teaching mechanics. And I'm talking something way more than "hotkey your Nexus to 0 because that's close to P" and stuff in that vein. What I really think I would benefit from is some instruction in how to actually perform the mechanics that I need. Someone posted an ASMR video of NaDa in a different thread, which I watched just to see what his hands were doing. There's not a lot of chances for noobs to actually see that part of SC. More stuff like that, but actually designed to be instructional, would be great. People may complain "noobs aren't willing to learn/practice that because it's not as fun", which is probably partly valid, but the fact is, I've found NO such videos or resources at all. And please no one respond by posting that stupid hotkey trainer map with the civilian you have to rescue, I don't find that map helpful or applicable to ladder games.

On September 12 2018 07:00 voltz_sc2 wrote:
I think Jaedong has a video for F ranked players that someone gave English subtitles, on YouTube. I found that helpful to learn standard play.

On September 11 2018 17:13 QuadroX wrote:


That's probably a good point, but is there any solid beginner friendly builds to study?

By solid I mean with a good chance to do well in a long macro game, non-all-in builds. The things I usually see that's kind of easier for lower level players are early game cheese like 4 pool, 9 pool speed, BBS, proxy gates etc.

I think they are easier coz the longer the game goes the more you falling behind unable to keep up with macro. We don't see any 2002 builds as well, but maybe some of them were pretty good. I think sometimes it's useful to get back in history and try to make sense of 1 base zerg, 1 base protoss builds and things like that. But I might be wrong, not sure.

On the other hand instead of practicing easier wrong builds you can focus on improving your mechanics doing the right builds eventually at OK level.

On September 12 2018 11:32 Jealous wrote:

I'm wondering if learning these silly cheesy strategies that have no staying power above a certain MMR is even worth it. Sure, you learn mechanics while you're doing this, but you're learning the game from an angle that will never be relevant to you again. Doesn't it make more sense to do things that are actually viable even if you suck at them, and focus on getting better at not sucking at them? Or at the very least, choosing army-heavy builds like 10/21 Gate Dragoon vs. Terran so that you can learn how to play with a relatively safe build that is at least somewhat similar to real builds?

I get that if noobs aren't winning their games, they might ragequit and never get to the point of nailing that FD timing or defending against that 9 Pool with FFE, but aren't pro builds the better way for them to spend their time and actually improve at the strategic elements of the game?