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Blue post on the matter: https://us.battle.net/forums/en/starcraft/topic/20757485677
Piratezerg
Profile Joined January 2017
54 Posts
June 30 2017 18:25 GMT
#41
I think "promise" is a bit of a stretch. It was advertised, but not very loudly or clearly.

In contrast, I would say they promised not to change the gameplay, with the partial exception of hotkeys. I think that was promised and so far, lived up to.

Also the deterrence of spam accounts on the ladder is a really well made point.
iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1556 Posts
June 30 2017 18:40 GMT
#42
Take a look at Beamdog, they released an enhanced version of Baldur's Gate, technically you don't even have improved graphics, simply widescreen, compatibility with present days OS and a few new contents by adding a couple of characters and their side quests. They sell that 19.99 euros.

For SC-R you get much more than widescreen and the only reason why you are not paying this 39.99 euros is because this is Blizzard and they can afford to cut down price that much. Also did you notice that Starcraft original is now free? You still have to pay for Baldur's Gate vanilla.

Frankly I don't really get why Blizzard would spend that much on a game that is so old and hard to introduce to new comers, my only guess is that it would look just bad for them to not remaster their best game while other famous games are.
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IShowUMagic
Profile Joined August 2010
United States104 Posts
June 30 2017 19:12 GMT
#43
Guys - $15 is such a small amount of money for the hours and hours and hours you will get out of playing this game. By charging people for an account, there will be fewer smurfs and cheaters. I'm happier that they're doing it this way rather than letting free users matchmake to be honest.
Gauje
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada25 Posts
June 30 2017 21:15 GMT
#44
I don't think the problem is about the price (I think a lot of us are likely to pick up SC:R just because) as much as it's about making the ladder irrelevant.

If it's not free, how much of the community stays on ICCUP or Fish or whatever instead of the new ladder? How likely is it that the official ladder becomes a smaller irrelevant community?

I'm looking at getting back into BW (combination of BW:R news and me getting tired of the other competitive game I've been playing) so I came to for forums to get an idea of what ladder people are playing on now, and if the community is likely to switch to the official ladder after SC:R. To be honest I haven't figured out where I should play yet and would love if it was as simple as using the in game client.

I suppose realistically there are more likely reasons the ladder might be irrelevant like a shitty map rotation and the community solution will always be better, but it would be pretty great if Blizzard could actually nail this.
castleeMg
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Canada760 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-30 22:24:03
June 30 2017 22:23 GMT
#45
$15 is nothing for a modern UI update with revised graphic, these developers dont work for free so how are you complaining about spending $15 on a timeless game, im surprised it wasnt $30+, which i still would have paid because ive got more than my monies worth out of BW over the years
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BeaSteR
Profile Joined May 2009
Sweden328 Posts
June 30 2017 22:30 GMT
#46
Seriously, whining about 15$... wow. It's really cheap for what they are bringing out.
Greed is good
IShowUMagic
Profile Joined August 2010
United States104 Posts
June 30 2017 22:53 GMT
#47
Assuming the finished product runs as bug free as 1.18 and asl etc. switch over I can't imagine there will be that many people staying on iccup. Especially since iccup will never support any version after 1.16. I'm curious, though, about how the ladder on fish will work and whether we will be able to play ranked games in our own servers or if they will have to be matchmade.
danielias
Profile Joined August 2012
Chile67 Posts
June 30 2017 22:55 GMT
#48
People complaining are people with less intelligence or LOW IQ.

They dont understand how bussiness work. Nothing in this world is free, nothing.
If you cant pay $15 or have trouble with the idea of not getting the MM for free you should learn to think more deply and think more less of yourself.

And why no better open a email client and write a email to blizzard? Kids, if you can read and play sc and you are poor you are thinking too much of yourself and have little awareness of society and people living in it.

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Chris_Havoc
Profile Joined August 2016
United States600 Posts
June 30 2017 22:57 GMT
#49
On July 01 2017 07:53 IShowUMagic wrote:
Assuming the finished product runs as bug free as 1.18 and asl etc. switch over I can't imagine there will be that many people staying on iccup. Especially since iccup will never support any version after 1.16. I'm curious, though, about how the ladder on fish will work and whether we will be able to play ranked games in our own servers or if they will have to be matchmade.


Fish admins have said they aren't changing the current system and will not support matchmaking. There may however be a Korean Bnet server but that has yet to be confirmed.
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Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
June 30 2017 23:04 GMT
#50
On July 01 2017 03:40 iFU.pauline wrote:
Frankly I don't really get why Blizzard would spend that much on a game that is so old and hard to introduce to new comers, my only guess is that it would look just bad for them to not remaster their best game while other famous games are.


Because sales -> production cost = profit. That's why.
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vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3440 Posts
July 01 2017 00:19 GMT
#51
Everyone who keeps parroting: "It's only 15$ stop complaining you entitled cheapskate" is missing the point. Blizzards made it seemed like matchmaking would be available with 1.18 (regardless of their initial intention) but that turned out not to be. Of course people dislike being false advertised to, purposely or not.
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
July 01 2017 00:26 GMT
#52
On July 01 2017 03:40 iFU.pauline wrote:
Take a look at Beamdog, they released an enhanced version of Baldur's Gate, technically you don't even have improved graphics, simply widescreen, compatibility with present days OS and a few new contents by adding a couple of characters and their side quests. They sell that 19.99 euros.

For SC-R you get much more than widescreen and the only reason why you are not paying this 39.99 euros is because this is Blizzard and they can afford to cut down price that much. Also did you notice that Starcraft original is now free? You still have to pay for Baldur's Gate vanilla.

Frankly I don't really get why Blizzard would spend that much on a game that is so old and hard to introduce to new comers, my only guess is that it would look just bad for them to not remaster their best game while other famous games are.


You cannot go lower than Beamdog behavior. So being better than Beamdog does not mean much.

But otherwise, I agree with you. $15 for the remaster is totally worth it.
raff100
Profile Joined April 2011
498 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-01 18:09:34
July 01 2017 18:09 GMT
#53
I would like to answer to everyone,but it's clear that most people don't even understand the point of this thread. Noone cares about the 15 $ price of the remastered edition,it is a fine,honest deal. The problem is that Blizz said that Matchmaking was going to be free for everyone,giving a false advertesiment that no consumer should be happy about it.
Another problem,even bigger,is how the playerbase will be split between the different ladder systems.RTS are not as popular anymore and split the playerbase between Korea(fish),1.16 (ICCUP),Remastered and 1.18 version(which is always empty) may be an overkill for the future of the game in the foreign scene.
I hope to hear something from Blizzard employers,but they are actually ignoring the question on the official forums.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8505 Posts
July 01 2017 18:28 GMT
#54
On July 01 2017 07:55 danielias wrote:
People complaining are people with less intelligence or LOW IQ.

They dont understand how bussiness work. Nothing in this world is free, nothing.
If you cant pay $15 or have trouble with the idea of not getting the MM for free you should learn to think more deply and think more less of yourself.

And why no better open a email client and write a email to blizzard? Kids, if you can read and play sc and you are poor you are thinking too much of yourself and have little awareness of society and people living in it.

User was warned for this post


You are throwing around with strong words mister. Have you ever thought about the fact that people might complain because of an idealistic point rather than about the set amount of money. 15 $ is totally ok for a remastered version. However, as quoted by the OP in a later post on the first page, Blizzard used the match making as advertisement for the old version (with new patch). I would call that false advertisement if they don't deliver on it afterwards. It's decieving, it's as simple as that. If they wanted to get paid for the MM they should have just said so in the first place - as in, advertise the match making as part of SC:R only.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
July 01 2017 18:38 GMT
#55
Honestly I think it's to stop hackers.

Matchmaking would be awful if people could make infinite accounts for free.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
July 01 2017 18:46 GMT
#56
So, you make one account and you have to pay another 15$ to create another one?

So it seems like there are gonna be some kind of join/remove clan member in-game system?
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
July 01 2017 18:55 GMT
#57
I don't understand why they just simply didn't say matchmaking will have to be paid for. Renegading on an advertised feature only on the order date just seems so dishonest.
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
July 01 2017 19:05 GMT
#58
On July 02 2017 03:55 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I don't understand why they just simply didn't say matchmaking will have to be paid for. Renegading on an advertised feature only on the order date just seems so dishonest.

I think it's pretty obvious they didn't lie just to hurt everyone's feelings. Clearly, one of the statements was either made in error, or things changed after various internal events.
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palexhur
Profile Joined May 2010
Colombia730 Posts
July 01 2017 19:16 GMT
#59
Actually people who si complaining or "whining" are right, if this was a promise that Blizz made three months ago, then they have to keep its words or at least say the real reason whatever it is for that unkeeping promise,and understand that this is not for the U$15, they dont find appeling the R version and they were promised to have matchmaking in their old CD Game for which they have paid before.
ProMeTheus112
Profile Joined December 2009
France2027 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-01 19:45:33
July 01 2017 19:22 GMT
#60
like, if no access to (public blizz servers including europe) ladder with original, then I hope I can use all original graphics & sounds on remastered if I want and have a chat and interfaces of at least same quality
and in any case definitely don't leave crashes or missing features in ogirinal eh also don't let out of kor ladders remain private-only for original thats not cool cause it divide communities between competitive/laddering and public, I think that if no MM for original there should definitely be a way for original players to play ladder games against remastered using the normal interface, so what's the fixxxx, add MM to original and the requirement to use a BnetRemastered ID on original as a check if you want for accessing public, MM-ladder? that seems fair

so basically if you paid you can ladder and MM using original if not you are "free" user you can play on free servers if you want to ladder like always, pay for creating an account that can access blizzard public ladder + remastered gfx/sfx options

(don't region lock the accounts^^)
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