Why isn't Matchmaking free anymore?

On June 30 2017 18:03 Ty2 wrote:
"Everyone" seems kind of vague. A scoularis guy who doesn't seem to be a credible source seems to go along with that assumption.

On June 30 2017 18:05 739 wrote:
This is not thread-worthy.

Also even if the matchmaking is going to be paid only , I feel like I owe Blizzard these 15$ for a game that I've been playing for more than 10 years and not being charged for anything in the past.

Stop whining. The game hasn't even been released yet and I see so many ppl complaining.

On June 30 2017 18:07 739 wrote:
And? I don't mind paying 15$ for the HD graphics and a matchmaking feature.

Hell, I'd even pay up to 39.99$ for SC:R

On June 30 2017 18:12 739 wrote:
You realise that no1 makes you purchasing SC:R? You can still play FREE version of SC:BW.

On June 30 2017 18:09 MildCocoA wrote:
SC 1.18 uses p2p network. It's bad for MM.(lag, dc issue) Maybe SC:R uses Dedicated server network like a SC2.

On June 30 2017 18:17 raff100 wrote:

The main site reported the MM to be free until today so ,yeah, I would like to play MM with the free version of scbw(that I bought like 3 times in the last 10 years so I don't know how much free for me)

Furthermore: How would the many ladder systems impact on ladder population? We could potentially have iccup,fish,shieldbattery and the official blizzard ladder?

On June 30 2017 18:05 739 wrote:
This is not thread-worthy.

Also even if the matchmaking is going to be paid only , I feel like I owe Blizzard these 15$ for a game that I've been playing for more than 10 years and not being charged for anything in the past.

Stop whining. The game hasn't even been released yet and I see so many ppl complaining.

On June 30 2017 18:10 raff100 wrote:


And maybe some people don't care about graphics? So they need to spend 15 $ only for the button "find a game"?
@Mildcocoa: Did they realize the p2p issue 3 months after the announcement?

On June 30 2017 20:11 Wrath wrote:
It is not about the god damned $15. It is about saying you pay only for graphics and then you are being charged for ladder. As for me, I'm not a fan of the new models and was not planning on updating. Was going to play with the standard version as there is nothing in the remaster appealing to spend money on.

Now they are charging for ladder which was not part of the deal first time. It feels paying money for tons of stuff you are not going to use for single thing (ladder) which everyone thought (even blizzard hinted) it will be free.

On June 30 2017 21:50 Ancestral wrote:

Do you use a 4:3 monitor?

On June 30 2017 21:56 raff100 wrote:

Or maybe he prefers the old graphics so he doesn't want to pay 15$ for things he won't use?
I would buy the remastered anyway to support the Starcraft saga,but the fact that they are removing\not implementing the MM in the free version, despite their 3 months long promises, is really sad.
Anyway it's not that unexpected, we are still talking about Activision Blizzard,not about the Blizzard that made the original SC

On June 30 2017 22:12 wallesM wrote:
It's simple - blizzard cares about the money so they want you to pay them for matchmaking. There's nothing more to it.

On June 30 2017 22:43 L_Master wrote:
Do we know MM isn't going to be included for 1.18 users? I realize there is that box, but can we confirm that's accurate?


2) I support paid MM. Right now, you can just spam accounts all you want and troll hard, which is done enough can legitimately start to mess up the actual evaluation of skill and the MM itself. $15 isn't insane, but it's certainly going to stop all but some crazy rich guy determined to troll from buying 15 accounts and messing around. I can't think of any other way to prevent this, and this is a solid solution in my opinion.

On July 01 2017 01:14 JWD[9] wrote:
It is obvious that the discussion about the cost should not be the point of this topic. I preordered remastered today (I think preorder came out today), however, there is a fear that there won't be many new players.

The few new players I met since 1.18 were people that tried the game because it was free. Ladder should be free, maybe at least for people who own other Blizzard games on their account. If someone new to broodwar falls in love with it, I think he is the more likely person to buy remastered because of the new graphics.

On July 01 2017 07:53 IShowUMagic wrote:
Assuming the finished product runs as bug free as 1.18 and asl etc. switch over I can't imagine there will be that many people staying on iccup. Especially since iccup will never support any version after 1.16. I'm curious, though, about how the ladder on fish will work and whether we will be able to play ranked games in our own servers or if they will have to be matchmade.

On July 01 2017 03:40 iFU.pauline wrote:
Take a look at Beamdog, they released an enhanced version of Baldur's Gate, technically you don't even have improved graphics, simply widescreen, compatibility with present days OS and a few new contents by adding a couple of characters and their side quests. They sell that 19.99 euros.

For SC-R you get much more than widescreen and the only reason why you are not paying this 39.99 euros is because this is Blizzard and they can afford to cut down price that much. Also did you notice that Starcraft original is now free? You still have to pay for Baldur's Gate vanilla.

Frankly I don't really get why Blizzard would spend that much on a game that is so old and hard to introduce to new comers, my only guess is that it would look just bad for them to not remaster their best game while other famous games are.

On July 01 2017 07:55 danielias wrote:
People complaining are people with less intelligence or LOW IQ.

They dont understand how bussiness work. Nothing in this world is free, nothing.
If you cant pay $15 or have trouble with the idea of not getting the MM for free you should learn to think more deply and think more less of yourself.

And why no better open a email client and write a email to blizzard? Kids, if you can read and play sc and you are poor you are thinking too much of yourself and have little awareness of society and people living in it.

User was warned for this post

On July 02 2017 03:55 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I don't understand why they just simply didn't say matchmaking will have to be paid for. Renegading on an advertised feature only on the order date just seems so dishonest.

On June 30 2017 19:50 Ansibled wrote:
So what was actually said was

'You're correct in assuming that matchmaking will not be included as part of 1.18. It is currently slated to be available to everyone once we release SC:R'

This is not announcing it would be free for everyone.

On July 02 2017 04:28 BigFan wrote:

Pretty much. Given, I would like it if RM was free for non-rm players but several members have explained the issues with that and why having it only in the remaster is a must.

On June 30 2017 18:05 raff100 wrote:


"Play for free with improved matchmaking and accessibility, or upgrade to Starcraft Remastered to unlock 4k graphics,16x9 aspect ratio and more " cit starcraft.com

Is this a decent source?

On July 02 2017 08:12 Heyjoray wrote:
I feel bad for all those people who bought Brood War with 1.18 just for the matchmaking

On July 02 2017 08:24 eviltomahawk wrote:

Yep. They all threw away $0 on a free-to-play product for a speculative feature.

On July 02 2017 04:59 ProMeTheus112 wrote:
bigfan why would it be a must that MM is only with remaster? I can only see the multi acc problem like good players playing at low ratings but anyway, they can always do that by buying more accounts so.. and it can be fixed by making remastered accounts work to login in original
it aleviates it that you have to buy a new account, and I wouldnt say I find it unfair at all to pay again for all the maintenance and update
then I see no reason for no MM in original, everything is compatible including the chat, just plug the MM button / interfaces in there on original interface, greyed out if you're not logged on a RemasteredAcc gg everybody happy

On July 04 2017 03:54 DarkNetHunter wrote:
Firstly, I think the OP made a valid point and I can't believe the amount of 'stop whining' posts coming out of this thread.

If SC:R had been tagged at 75$ would you still be telling people to stop whining? The price tag is irrelevant for the discussion because it should not give Blizzard leeway on going back on their own statement, which the OP included:



As for dealing with cheaters/smurfs, you can easily implement more stringent time spent online / hours played etc. requirements before being allowed to play on MM Ladder for free copies if you want to reduce smurfing on the ladder.

Cheaters should have their PCs MAC-Address banned if technically feasible, thus preventing them from rejoining the ladder, paid or not. If this were an anti cheat/smurf measure it should be announced as such.

On July 04 2017 04:46 Pr0wler wrote:

Why ? Because you said so ?

No point in complaining about a product. Just vote with your wallet. The best players will stay on Fish anyways, so this matchmaking ladder will be irrelevant.

On July 04 2017 03:54 DarkNetHunter wrote:
Firstly, I think the OP made a valid point and I can't believe the amount of 'stop whining' posts coming out of this thread.

If SC:R had been tagged at 75$ would you still be telling people to stop whining? The price tag is irrelevant for the discussion because it should not give Blizzard leeway on going back on their own statement, which the OP included:



As for dealing with cheaters/smurfs, you can easily implement more stringent time spent online / hours played etc. requirements before being allowed to play on MM Ladder for free copies if you want to reduce smurfing on the ladder.

Cheaters should have their PCs MAC-Address banned if technically feasible, thus preventing them from rejoining the ladder, paid or not. If this were an anti cheat/smurf measure it should be announced as such.

On July 04 2017 10:05 Chris_Havoc wrote:
Welp here is the official blue post on Matchmaking & Ladder being confirmed exclusive to Remastered: https://us.battle.net/forums/en/starcraft/topic/20757485677

On July 04 2017 11:07 Meta wrote:
I'm okay with this. When you give people matchmaking for free it incentivizes hacking. If you get banned for hacking you just make a new account, change your IP and play again. No thanks.

I do think they should add a ladder to the legacy client as a freemium feature. You can spend $10 and get access to the ladder, and matchmaking, but you can still play with your friends or in custom games for free.

On July 04 2017 05:06 DarkNetHunter wrote:

No because the OP made no mention of the price, the OP talked about Blizzard reneging on what they said about MMing being free. If you don't think the OP is what should be discussed, then maybe you should not participate in the thread?

Giving feedback on a product is the only way for Blizzard to know what they are doing right or wrong. Voting with your wallet works, but leaves the reasons for why you voted completely up to the interpretation of the seller when they do not have feedback to why you voted the way you did. What the best players will do and what Fish ultimately decides to do is all speculation at this point.

On July 04 2017 10:55 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
What reasoning? They literally said nothing besides confirming that there won't be matchmaking in the free version, in a very verbose manner.

On July 04 2017 13:23 TT1 wrote:
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/starcraft/topic/20757485677

this is their explanation

On July 04 2017 10:55 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
What reasoning? They literally said nothing besides confirming that there won't be matchmaking in the free version, in a very verbose manner.

On July 04 2017 14:12 nukkuj wrote:
Things change during the development of the game, get over it.

On July 04 2017 14:31 juvenal wrote:

what fucking development, mate?

On July 04 2017 15:24 Pr0wler wrote:

Obviously the new graphics and sounds fell from the heavens and Mike Morhaime just collected them.

On July 04 2017 16:47 thePunGun wrote:
You gotta love the internet! Where else can people, who have little to no knowledge about anything really bless us each day with their wisdom! Please enlighten us Juvenal, how did Blizzard accomplish anything without your magic touch and awareness for the important aspects of game development/matchmaking?!
I mean how can anyone get anything done without your expertise, that's the real mystery here....

On July 01 2017 09:19 vndestiny wrote:
Everyone who keeps parroting: "It's only 15$ stop complaining you entitled cheapskate" is missing the point. Blizzards made it seemed like matchmaking would be available with 1.18 (regardless of their initial intention) but that turned out not to be. Of course people dislike being false advertised to, purposely or not.

On July 04 2017 15:33 FFW_Rude wrote:

You know that games aren't free to make no ? Do you want micro transaction in BW ? What's 15$ to you if you played BW for 12 years ?

On July 04 2017 19:44 raff100 wrote:
I'm happy that Pete answered the question and eventually we know that there won't be any ladder for the free version of BW. However ,I'm still scared about how this decision will impact the future playerbase. Let's hope that everyone buys the remastered and fall in love with Broodwar or the playerbase will be even more split between iccup,fish and remastered...

On July 04 2017 20:15 raff100 wrote:
I honestly hoped in the free to play ladder because, even if every starcraft fan will buy the remastered, I have more than a suspect that the casual players will be quite scared to throw money away, even if it is "only" 15 $.
I invited many friends to play Dota mainly because it was free ,but I don't think they are going to follow me this time

On July 04 2017 14:15 FiWiFaKi wrote:


I only hope we don't have the bonus pool system.

It's the most bullshit artificial way of motivating people to play more games, and giving a sense of improvement that isn't there.

Just a classic Dota, Chess, or Fish type point system will be the best. And points won + points lost = 0

On July 04 2017 21:16 InDi wrote:
The thing is, why should I pay for something that has been implemented by the community several times during the last 10 years for free?

Iccup,
Fish,
Shit even GG.net launched his terrible ladder.

1.18 brings nothing to the gameplay, I am not even commenting on the graphics because... let's be honest, who cares. No big updates to the interface, the only appeal is to matchmake against koreans, which you could do already... and they charge 15$ for it?

It is just another shitty policy by Blizzard trying to get money (which ofc is their goal) based on their best game. And the fact that they were shady about this matchmaking being not free, it was just to kill any non-official ladders. Everyone got hyped moved to 1.18 and cu later iccup

On July 04 2017 18:28 2Pacalypse- wrote:
I can't believe no one has mentioned here that there are *other* (free for users) methods to curb the smurfers/hackers. For one, an actual anti-hack might help a bit. Requiring new users to play a certain amount of "unranked" games before being able to enter official ladder. Hell, as a last resort, you could do what Dota 2 did, which is to require you to link your phone number with an account.

To be fair, putting the ladder behind a paywall will have the similar effect and is the least amount of work, so I can't really blame Blizzard for doing it, but lets not pretend that their sole reason of doing it is out of the goodness of their hearts.

On July 04 2017 10:50 BigFan wrote:

Nice to see them address the matter. Though I would've liked the ladder being available for original starcraft, I have to agree with their reasoning.

On July 04 2017 21:08 Drake wrote:


so ? i love what they did
they also did it mainly for korea

On July 04 2017 17:39 Drake wrote:


and that its GOOD
its a cheater protection in matchmaking since u have a paywall and u can ban the account !

ps: juvenal ur facts are just bad, get better ones

On July 05 2017 02:32 Waxangel wrote:


Blizz did mention that they had made the game much more difficult to hack than in the past, although I have no idea what that means in practical terms. At least, the most recent versions of SC2 seem much harder to hack so maybe they're on to something

On July 05 2017 02:56 ldv wrote:

Give me a fucking break.

NEWS FLASH: BLIZZARD IS NOT GOING TO MAKE A PROFIT OFF OF SC:R

Get off the edgelord proletariat nonsense. This project will cost them AT LEAST what they make in sales, if not more. This entire project is fan service, they priced it extremely fairly, and there will still always be you members of the oppressed, downtrodden, who are enraged that every part of the game isn't free. After all, you all deserve free everything for life.

God this entire conversation is so obnoxious.

On July 05 2017 02:56 ldv wrote:

Give me a fucking break.

NEWS FLASH: BLIZZARD IS NOT GOING TO MAKE A PROFIT OFF OF SC:R

Get off the edgelord proletariat nonsense. This project will cost them AT LEAST what they make in sales, if not more. This entire project is fan service, they priced it extremely fairly, and there will still always be you members of the oppressed, downtrodden, who are enraged that every part of the game isn't free. After all, you all deserve free everything for life.

God this entire conversation is so obnoxious.

On July 05 2017 04:55 Little-Chimp wrote:
Ya we get that 15 doesn't prevent smurfing, but it does lower it.

I mean god damn some people here can't fork over the price once out of blizz spite or something

On July 05 2017 10:16 EsX_Raptor wrote:
It's their game. Not sure why people treat it like public property.

On July 05 2017 10:16 EsX_Raptor wrote:
It's their game. Not sure why people treat it like public property.

On July 05 2017 11:50 blade55555 wrote:


I mean Blizzard could make a Diablo 4, Warcraft 4, WoW 2 and those would be far far more profitable then SCR will ever be. Anyone who thinks that Blizzard is making SCR just for the money isn't thinking clearly. There are far better ways to make a lot more money then remaking Broodwar in HD.

On July 05 2017 00:50 Miragee wrote:


That's not reasoning? Why are people still falling for this PR blablabla of companies, politicians etc.? That's literally like saying "Hey, we have closed your bank account. This is to ensure the best possible experience for all our costumers. Please enjoy our future products and services." Does this explain why they shut down your bank account? No. Would you be satisfied with that "explanation". I'm going to dare you and say no again. Giving a reason without giving specifics is like saying nothing at all, it's completly worthless as an argument.

On July 05 2017 12:19 Jealous wrote:

The difference in my opinion is not that it isn't the most profitable project or that they won't make a ton of money off this. It's that they saw a ton of POTENTIAL earnings being wasted year in, year out. Projects like Shield Battery and OpenBW would have effectively closed out any earning potential for Blizzard from Brood War. By releasing Remastered and putting the matchmaking only available through SC:R they ensured that they would be the ones to profit from any future interest in what was already a scene headed towards revival even prior to the announcement of SC:R.

The thing is that sure, they won't make their money back on SC:R this summer, or maybe even this year. But as we saw in this thread, numerous people had bought the game multiple times in the past. I have three keys myself. That of course won't be the case in the coming years with online copies being available, but it certainly wasn't the case in the past decade or so since everyone started playing on cracked versions on third party servers. By releasing SC:R, Blizzard can openly consider any third party services or cracked games as competitors to their product, and thus enforce more stringent rules. Hell, just by releasing 1.18, they pretty much made it guaranteed that ICCup will get a significantly smaller portion of any potential new users that they could have, especially compared to the past few years. By not giving consent to Afreeca and forcing them to wait for SC:R release, forcing them to play 1.18 even when progamers were complaining about it, it is evident they are trying to push their profit lines and not their product, so to speak. This is very much a way for them to reclaim control of their game and most importantly, the profitability of said game. Blizzards increase in revenue from BW is guaranteed. Blizzard's ability to largely monopolize the majority of future new users and make money from them, something they haven't done/been able to do in over a decade, is guaranteed. Let's not forget that because of them removing match-making from 1.18, they pretty much made 1.18 their free "demo" for the obviously intended full-fledged product, SC:R. "Hey, try this free version which will likely have a smaller population on public servers, with no ladder, for free! But, if you want to really experience this game, give us $15!" This of course all makes sense from a business standpoint, but I am confused as to why more people don't see this, why some are apologists, and why even more are focused on the $15 or the profit margin in the short term as the key elements here. To me, this seems much more of a power grab from community-run efforts than anything else. We have been free of Blizzard's sphere of influence more or less since they pushed SC2 down our throats in Korea, and now they have reined us in anew. All hail King Blizzard.

Also, it is much much easier to simply re-release an already successful and seemingly timeless game than it is to come up with fresh ideas and new games from scratch that are guaranteed to return on their investment.

On July 05 2017 15:26 Jealous wrote:
Why quote the whole post if you're only going to argue semantics? I think it's pretty clear in the context of the thread that I am aware of what the topic of discussion is, and meant that they are removing what they had initially promised for 1.18, just didn't write out the whole thing.

On July 05 2017 04:10 ldv wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me how little this community can think critically.

There's no chance this project makes a profit. What it is, is a way to draw back older customers back to the Battle.net/Blizzard App platform. Blizzard doesn't make money selling SC:R, they make money when people come back, play some BW, see Overwatch and Heroes of the Storm in the Blizzard app and decide to try those. When those people play Hearthstone. I don't know how much you think this project is going to make, but it isn't enough to pay the salaries of the team of developers working on it, much less the infrastructure they're working on and the overhead of the project itself.

This isn't rocket science! They didn't say to themselves, "$15 per person and we'll all be filthy fucking rich!" They said "$15 will recoup some of this project's costs at a price point the average person over the age of 16 will find more than reasonable, and will also address some side concerns like smurfing and hacking."

This isn't some massive conspiracy to drain you all of your cough savings cough. It's extremely reasonably priced, not profit driven, and the complaining about it makes you all look like entitled god damn children.

On July 05 2017 01:30 Little-Chimp wrote:


Stick with those then, but pretty sure the majority of people will be using match making. You aren't forced to part ways with your hard earned 15 dollars

On July 05 2017 15:02 BigFan wrote:

Miragee, please, that's such a terrible example! I'm not even going to bother explaining the problem with it. I already posted a response to someone else in this thread so you'll have to read that for an answer.

Facts are that BW is not going anywhere and neither is 1.18. With it being free to play now, at least any new players can try the game and if they like it, can just get remastered for the graphics and ladder etc... BW is Blizzard's IP and they can do whatever they want with it much to our dismay. If they wanted to be complete assholes, they can easily affect the tournament scene (you can see this with ATB2 being so delayed!) and quite possibly, cause problems for fish, iccup and sb etc...

Blizzard is also free to go back on their original words. It might not look great but the point is that they are offering a product and decided that mm is better suited for rm. You can disagree all you want and that's fine. People are free to dismiss it and continue using BW as is and nothing will change. If you don't agree, you're also free to withhold your money and not buy it. Vote with your wallet.

As a side note: I believe that you can still play someone with remastered using normal BW but can only ladder in remastered (guessing they have a greyed out button or something if you don't have rm).

On July 05 2017 22:46 RCCar wrote:
"You're correct in assuming that matchmaking will not be included as part of 1.18. It is currently slated to be available to everyone once we release SC:R."
available doesn't mean its free right?

On July 05 2017 23:17 Jealous wrote:

As someone who has been banned twice as much as him, I can tell you that the experience practically makes you an expert.

On July 05 2017 23:17 Cele wrote:


FWIW Blizzard has given ICCup problems in the past. That was not the case for SC:R, but we all know that it wasn't necessary. ICCup doesn't have the appeal, marketing and infrastructure anymore to compete with any official Blizzard server.

Fish on the other hand is a very well populated server, it has a very good reputation amongst koreans. There would've been a negative backlash if Blizzard had just tried to shut it out the way it was done with ICCup. Fish has been accepted as semi-official or at least supported server for SC:R and enjoys a limited independence.

ICCup made an official request to Blizzard in order to negotiate terms to become a gateway for SC:R That request was never replied to. Moreover, from my perception, the new layout with matchmaking being only available via SC:R, the launcher being required to play the game et cetera, it's pretty clear to me that Blizzard is trying to shut down the door towards private servers.


I'm ofc aware that it's perfectly fine to do so, legally and IP rights cover this clearly. Then again, this community has held the game upward and going for almost a decade where Blizzard Entertainment didn't do anything about it. And by community i mean the abstract mass of staff people, casters, writers, players, server staff etc. etc. over that time period all around the globe. If not for FISH, WGTour, ICCup, Teamliquid, gosugamers and all the people who contributed, this game would've been dead years ago. Most namely, if not for Kespa and the pro gamers, this game would've faded into oblivion a decade ago. If not for all the passionate fans, SC:R would hold no retail value. Blizzard is generating profit by that collective effort and i don't mind that inherently. They made this game great, but it wouldn't have been the best RTS + Show Spoiler + without the community.

I just think it would've been a sensible move to invite private servers into being SC:R compatible and to guarantee full compatibility between Broodwar and SC:R. Yes perhaps Blizzard would've sold less copies by doing the latter, but i can't say that i care.

On July 05 2017 23:43 ldv wrote:
Cool.

On July 05 2017 23:43 ldv wrote:Get practice partners, like every single other game ever.

False.

They didn't promise anything. They don't owe you anything. They made a decision that differed from their original plan. Get over it.

What? They didn't force fish to disable 1.16, and why would they offer native integration for iCCup? iCCup didn't work with them to do it, while Fish did. If you don't know what's going on behind the scenes why are you offering this wild speculation?

Again, if you don't know what it means, why are you speculating and saying it's "delivering a detrimental blow" lol. The remastered map making tools aren't even out yet.

They have said there will be a new map editor.

Overall, you don't seem to know much about 1.18 or 1.16 for that matter, so what the absolute hell are you talking about?

On July 06 2017 05:19 ldv wrote:

i give zero fucks about your appeal to authority. wrong is wrong.

On July 06 2017 07:14 Little-Chimp wrote:


I hope so, that shit gets the casuals hard as fuck.

Posted by Pete Stilwell:
As a result, Matchmaking and Ladder are exclusive to Remastered. We believe this is the best way to preserve the integrity of the play experience. We want to encourage a healthy, competitive ecosystem for StarCraft, and this measure will limit griefing of new and lower-level players

On July 06 2017 10:13 Lazare1969 wrote:

Isn't League of Legends the most popular game in the world? Isn't it free to play? How are they able to do it?

On July 05 2017 12:19 Jealous wrote:



By not giving consent to Afreeca and forcing them to wait for SC:R release, forcing them to play 1.18 even when progamers were complaining about it, it is evident they are trying to push their profit lines and not their product, so to speak. This is very much a way for them to reclaim control of their game and most importantly, the profitability of said game.

On July 06 2017 10:13 Lazare1969 wrote:

Isn't League of Legends the most popular game in the world? Isn't it free to play? How are they able to do it?

On July 06 2017 12:33 Jealous wrote:

Fresh from the press. Thought you might find it relevant.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/522899-asl-team-battle-season-2?page=7#140

Say it ain't so.

EDIT: Just want to clarify that in my earlier post, all I stipulated was that Blizzard had not (yet?) given consent to Afreeca to run ATB. Now they have flat-out rejected it, according to K.J.H., who in my eyes has been a reliable source for Korean scene information as of late.

On July 06 2017 11:31 Ancestral wrote:


:/

I didn't realize the case. I'm sure many remember clearly how Blizzard mustered a lot of manpower to try and destroy competitive BW in Korea to make way for their shiny new product. They did everything short of deploying brownshirts to smash every CD, computer, and server with the binary install files. After basically going to war with KeSPA, I guess maybe they are just back to their old tactics of trying to have complete control over the entire scene like they did with SCII, which ironically made it a non-starter in Korea, because BW was made great as a competitive game mostly through the work of the community.

I was conceptualizing it as mostly out of recognition for their own history that they decided to do Remastered, but you're right; the timing makes it look like they realized BW was going to succeed in Korea no matter how hard they opposed it, so they just decided that they might as well have control over it if it does.

I guess maybe 100 years from now or whenever BW is in the public domain, it can finally flourish unfettered.

On July 06 2017 12:33 Jealous wrote:

Fresh from the press. Thought you might find it relevant.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/522899-asl-team-battle-season-2?page=7#140

Say it ain't so.

EDIT: Just want to clarify that in my earlier post, all I stipulated was that Blizzard had not (yet?) given consent to Afreeca to run ATB. Now they have flat-out rejected it, according to K.J.H., who in my eyes has been a reliable source for Korean scene information as of late.

On July 06 2017 18:32 thePunGun wrote:
This thread is formal fallacy in a nutshell... The total lack of deductive reasoning gets more hilarious by the day...
It's the munera for the populus Team Liquidus, so let's build a Coliseum and fight to the death!
"Ave Caesar, morituri te salutant!" (finally those greek/roman history classes paid off)

On July 06 2017 21:55 B-royal wrote:

Oh please do us a favour and present your position in a formal argument.

On July 06 2017 23:23 Jealous wrote:

Summary:

"You're all idiots."
"Why?"
"I'm too old to deal with this."

Lol? Thanks for contributing.

On July 06 2017 21:20 Miragee wrote:


Oh god, not again. Fuck Blizzard seriously. If they are going to destroy the BW scene a second time I hope from the bottom of my heart that they will go bankrupt as soon as possible.