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Jae Zedong
407 Posts
On March 21 2017 17:58 -Archangel- wrote:Maybe for 2000 people still playing BW after all these years. You do realize it's much, much more than that in Korea, right? I'm pretty tired of the trope that Korea "doesn't count", when that country is the entire reason BW is still popular. | ||
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Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
On March 21 2017 17:58 -Archangel- wrote: Maybe for 2000 people still playing BW after all these years. But I am pretty sure Blizzard want to get paid for the effort to make BWHD and that means not catering to this small group. They could make two game modes, maybe even with two matchmaking systems but in sc2 they never wanted to have more than one so I doubt it. I would expect they leave an option to keep the game as it is for tournament play in Korea but Matchmaking and all that will need to use a modern UI if they want new players to pick up BWHD and play it. You do not understand that MBS and co. will make the game unplayable with current balance patch, so even those masses, who want MBS, smartcasting, good pathfinding etc. won't play BW:HD, because it would be so unbalanced. | ||
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dacSyzygy
Germany42 Posts
If they released an BW with HD graphics, automine, mbs, fixed pathing, smartcasting, customizeable hotkeys and increased control groups, I'd personally be pretty fine fith it. Would it create new balance problems? Maybe. I am not so sure that they would be instantly gamebreaking, because these benefits apply to all races, not just one. And maybe the players find ways to adapt in the different matchups. Time would tell. I can accept that there are lots of people wo want an exact 1:1 copy of the classic BW with just better screen resolutions but I personally have no problems with certain modernizations that make the game more enjoyable. and in my opinion reducing the amount of "basic tasks" and removing artificial obstacles opens more time for actual commanding the combat units and acting tactical on the map - which is what I as a player want to do and as a streamviewer want to see. | ||
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Jae Zedong
407 Posts
It almost certainly wasn't put in there deliberately, more likely out of neglect or because they envisaged the game to played off of 1 base, 2 base tops with a handful of workers making manual mining a non-issue. We already have partial automining when an SCV finishes a refinery – it starts mining gas with no input from the player. In general though they should be very, very careful not to muck up anything seemingly insignificant (like pathing glitches) that in reality is a core feature of the game. | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
On March 21 2017 17:58 -Archangel- wrote: Maybe for 2000 people still playing BW after all these years. But I am pretty sure Blizzard want to get paid for the effort to make BWHD and that means not catering to this small group. They could make two game modes, maybe even with two matchmaking systems but in sc2 they never wanted to have more than one so I doubt it. I would expect they leave an option to keep the game as it is for tournament play in Korea but Matchmaking and all that will need to use a modern UI if they want new players to pick up BWHD and play it. In Korean PC bangs, BW has 6 times more players than SC2. The ratio of BW:SC2 viewers is even higher. But let us all pamper to SC2 players instead of hardcore BW fans. This is like pampering to American football fans to create a new football, while dismissing the whole world. | ||
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iopq
United States1130 Posts
Maybe fix unit AI so they don't overshoot things, like scourge "Chinese triangle" as well. Sure, there's skill in it, but it makes ZvZ really stupid because there's no way to get back into it when you have a lower muta count. It also makes drops/vessels really strong in ZvT. Or how about fixing "unit pops out of egg and disappears" bug that makes it harder to hold a ramp at your third in ZvT? Losing a lurker to it is really costly. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4428 Posts
On March 21 2017 17:43 -Archangel- wrote: If they expect new players to buy and play this game MBS and automine are 100% required and would not change tactical part of the game, only make the macro part less crazy hard for average players. Smartcasting and unlimited selection can be argued to be left out as both change the tactical part of the game a lot but also not including this could be a deal breaker to many people. Totally agree.If we go back to 1999 and War2 BNE we see that Blizzard added rally points and unit queues to the game in that updated version.I think MBS and automine are a certainty, unlimited selection and smartcasting are unlikely in my opinion. I'm hoping they will include a 'classic' setting with just resolution upgrades and windows compatibility fixes as I'd prefer that over the MBS & automine version. | ||
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Wrath
3174 Posts
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4428 Posts
On March 21 2017 18:41 Wrath wrote: Wait what? Since when there were rally points and queues in WarCraft II? In Battle net edition http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Warcraft_II:_Battle.net_Edition "Features from Starcraft such as right click commands for units and queueing multiple units for production were implemented" | ||
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Jealous
10345 Posts
Please leave BW alone. Don't let them hear your wanton cries for debasement of this game. It is as it should be. Dumb AI, bad pathing, 12 units per hotkey, who would ever want to play this mess? Right guys? Please T_T; | ||
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Jealous
10345 Posts
On March 21 2017 18:36 iopq wrote: I think bug fixes like stuck units would be nice too. That's not a feature, it's clearly a bug. It's frustrating even to good players. Maybe fix unit AI so they don't overshoot things, like scourge "Chinese triangle" as well. Sure, there's skill in it, but it makes ZvZ really stupid because there's no way to get back into it when you have a lower muta count. It also makes drops/vessels really strong in ZvT. Or how about fixing "unit pops out of egg and disappears" bug that makes it harder to hold a ramp at your third in ZvT? Losing a lurker to it is really costly. Pls. That is not a bug. The rest that you have said is also disgraceful. | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
On March 21 2017 18:37 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Totally agree.If we go back to 1999 and War2 BNE we see that Blizzard added rally points and unit queues to the game in that updated version.I think MBS and automine are a certainty, unlimited selection and smartcasting are unlikely in my opinion. I'm hoping they will include a 'classic' setting with just resolution upgrades and windows compatibility fixes as I'd prefer that over the MBS & automine version. Let us all forbid football players to do tricks. From now on, the Stepover, the Marseille turn, the Elastico, the Nutmeg, the Pele Flick, the Cruijff turn, the Seal dribble, the run around, the Rabona etc will be forbidden from the game. This new version of football HD will make it easier for newcomers to play, so that the game will focus only on tactics. You can from now on only kick the ball and run around. No nonsense tricks. Hence it will be closer to American football (also known as Football 2) with its emphasize on tactics instead of mechanics. I mean football viewers today only admire these tricks and the extreme training from players who can perform these, but they should all focus on tactics instead. In my opinion these things must be changed in order for American football players like me to consider football HD a good game. In my opinion the World should just change these things so that we Americans can enjoy football HD. -from an American Football player who played football once. | ||
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Wrath
3174 Posts
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On March 21 2017 18:47 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: In Battle net edition http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Warcraft_II:_Battle.net_Edition "Features from Starcraft such as right click commands for units and queueing multiple units for production were implemented" I played the battle.net edition years ago yet I never remember the queueing every existed.... strange.... | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On March 21 2017 18:49 Jealous wrote: Fuck. This thread is being taken over by "I wouldn't mind if MBS and automine were implemented in BW" people. Abort mission. No further constructive discussion can happen here it will only be of potential detriment. If you play SC2, love automine and MBS and smartcasting, I am very happy for you. Foreigners have begun to win games against Koreans again, Blizzard is balancing your game, there is much content to see. Please leave BW alone. Don't let them hear your wanton cries for debasement of this game. It is as it should be. Dumb AI, bad pathing, 12 units per hotkey, who would ever want to play this mess? Right guys? Please T_T; You can always play BW non HD version. Also by now Blizzard has already decided/implemented these changes if this BWHD exists so no matter what any of us say here it will change nothing. This topic is for exchange of expectations and opinions, not for telling Blizzard how to design anything. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4428 Posts
On March 21 2017 18:56 duke91 wrote: Let us all forbid football players to do tricks. From now on, the Stepover, the Marseille turn, the Elastico, the Nutmeg, the Pele Flick, the Cruijff turn, the Seal dribble, the run around, the Rabona etc will be forbidden from the game. This new version of football HD will make it easier for newcomers to play, so that the game will focus only on tactics. You can from now on only kick the ball and run around. No nonsense tricks. Hence it will be closer to American football (also known as Football 2) with its emphasize on tactics instead of mechanics. I mean football viewers today only admire these tricks and the extreme training from players who can perform these, but they should all focus on tactics instead. In my opinion these things must be changed in order for American football players like me to consider football HD a good game. In my opinion the World should just change these things so that we Americans can enjoy football HD. -from an American Football player who played football once. Dumb argument. Original BW still exists and will continue to exist. If you want to play it go play it. Personally I'm looking forward to an update that will bring tens of thousands of new players in and will allow me to play more of my preferred public 2v2/3v3 games and UMS. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37096 Posts
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Jealous
10345 Posts
On March 21 2017 18:58 Wrath wrote: Who cares what the people discuss? If there is a demo next Sunday (possibly) that mean everything is already completed and only polishing left. It sets up endless manhours of whine. Look at the mech threads in the SC2 section for an example. "BW HD IS COMING OUT YAY! IT WILL BE ALL I EVER HOPED FOR AS A MODERN RTS PLAYER!" ... two hours later... "What do you mean there is no 16 : 9 or MBS?" ... one hour later... "Blizzard should patch this" ... one month later... "Why hasn't Blizzard put the HD in BW HD?" ... in that thread... "They expect us to play Brood War HD with no automine and smart casting? What a fucking joke, *RACE* OP" etc. | ||
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Jae Zedong
407 Posts
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iopq
United States1130 Posts
On March 21 2017 18:51 Jealous wrote: Pls. That is not a bug. The rest that you have said is also disgraceful. stuck units is not a bug? | ||
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