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ASL Power Rank
December 2nd, 2016 05:51 GMT
One of the more popular features of Teamliquid in earlier times, the Power Rank ran through multiple OSL/MSL/PLs, going back to 2006 before it was metaphorically laid to rest back in 2012. With the second season of the Afreeca Starleague (ASL) starting in a couple of days, we thought this would be a great time to revive the Power Rank. Without further ado, please go ahead and read our own rankings, post your own in the comments below and feel free to discuss to your heart's desire! #1: Flash Since being knocked out of the last ASL in the Ro8 by Last, Flash's play has become really solid. He's been topping the monthly ranking with a win rate of ~70-80% far above most of the other competitors and has beaten most players in this upcoming ASL quite convincingly. He's been slowly regaining his form and will be the player to fear the most if he prepares as well as he has done in the past. Is the ultimate weapon charging up to take first place? #2: Last Nicknamed Alphago by Flash, Last has certainly made his mark on the scene. He's been constantly in the top 5 monthly rankings trailing mostly behind Flash and Bisu and has been made numerous final appearances. In SSL10, he lost against sSak in the finals and has been thirsty for a first place finish since then. He was knocked out in the Ro8 by Bisu in VANT, got knocked out of the semifinals by Shuttle in the last ASL after beating Flash 3-0 which was considered a remarkable feat and won silver in Thrill Starleague losing only to ZerO. Will he manage to finally win it all this time around? #3: Bisu Everyone who has seen Bisu play will tell you he is one of the best protoss players to play the game. His multitasking, decision-making and micro among other things are second to none (except Flash). Similar to Flash, he has held a Top 5 monthly spot with a win rate as high as 68.5% for several months. Bisu opted out of participating in the last ASL but he has made it to the finals in past tournaments such as SSL9, SSL11 and VANT despite facing stiff competition (took second in all except SSL9). He has also taken games off all the other players and recently beat Flash and Jaedong in the KT Giga Legends Match. #4: EffOrt Effort has been showing steady improvements in his gameplay since he made his debut on Afreeca. Though he was knocked out in the Ro16 in the previous ASL and has struggled a bit lately to put up some solid results (knocked out in Nal_ra starleague by Sky and Sharp), he managed to take silver in Terror's starleague and one can't forget his first place win over Bisu in VANT. He has also achieved a top 5 monthly ranking in Nov and is one of the only Zergs that is able to handle mech well enough in the late game. He should be a force to be reckoned with this ASL. #5: Shuttle You might be wondering why Shuttle has gotten this spot despite winning the last ASL? Though Shuttle manages to win smaller tournaments and won the last ASL convincingly, his performance is not awe-aspiring. When you watch other BW players, you feel this aura of dominance, yet you don't feel the same from Shuttle. His play is still really solid overall. He knows instinctively when to strike his opponent and has been gradually getting better. Still, winning the ASL once could've been partially luck despite him taking on tough opponents like Last. #6: Sharp One of the more accomplished players on Sonic's now-defunct BBARAS team, Sharp has been making a lot of noise with his recent gameplay. He has been slowly improving as is evident by placing third in VANT followed by second place in the recent ASL. His TvT seems to be his strong suit and has helped his ascent. His TvZ is also solid but he needs to work on his TvP if he wishes to make it as far this time around. #7: by.hero Considered one of the best zergs before Effort made his debut on Afreeca, hero's ZvP is still his best matchup. This has allowed him to best strong opponents like Bisu many times since his SSL9 loss such as beating Bisu 3-0 in SSL11 finals over a year back. Since then, hero's skill level has fluctuated quite by bit. He was knocked out early in the Ro32 in VANT though he made it much further in the previous ASL, to the Ro8 before being eliminated by Sea in a close series. His ZvT needs more work considering his current opponents in this ASL, however, hero has been on the upswing lately. He has finally made the Top 5 monthly rankings, has a winning record against Bisu (7-3) and has also tied Flash (7-7). Everyone beware, hero is coming! #8: Mind Compared to 1-2 years ago where Mind was considered one of the top player in the post-kespa era (only second to Bisu), his game has taken quite a nose dive. It's hard to point to a single reason, whether that's due to loss of motivation or external factors. However, recent rumours indicate that Mind has been practicing frantically so that he can place well in this ASL. He has also been winning more games against players such as Effort, Bisu, ZerO etc... Considering his past history, his performance in Nal_ra Starleague where he placed second, right behind Flash and his most recent performance against high-caliber opponents, we are confident that Mind will make quite the high placement this ASL. #9: Soulkey Like Rain, Soulkey is looking to transfer his success that he has achieved during his Starcraft II career into his new post-KeSPA Brood War career. Also like Rain, Soulkey is a no-nonsense, management style Zerg that was revered for giving the top Terran's trouble in the KeSPA era. Known for being a lazy player with immense talent, his success in the ASL will hinge on how much effort and preparation he will put into the tournament. #10: Jaedong One of the best zergs of all times, Jaedong has been playing under the guise of jiko/424 for several months on Afreeca before he started streaming recently. Both his ZvZ and ZvT need more work especially when you consider his recent losses to lower-caliber players, however, his ZvP is solid overall. He put on a good showing in his match against Bisu in the KT Giga Legends Match despite losing the series 1-2. The Tyrant still has a long way to go and we are confident in his abilities to achieve some of the same highs of the past. Will this tournament be his to lose? Only one way to find out. #11: Rain One of my favorite quotes from a certain user on Team Liquid has always amused me - "Whether By.Sun or By.Rain, he always delivers." More known among the Starcraft II community as 'no-fun Jeong' for innovating how to play defensive Protoss, Rain has re-entered the post-KeSPA system after taking a brief sabbatical to cast SC2 for SPOTV Games. Despite his successes in SC2, we have yet to see whether Rain will be able to replicate this in the post-KeSPA BW scene. Just like in SC2, expect solid, no-nonsense gameplay from him. #12: Sea Oh, how far Sea has fallen. For years after the professional scene ended, Sea was always placing well in many tournaments, taking first place in the smaller ones. He had a solid TvT, TvZ and a work in progress TvP which was taking games off the likes of Bisu. He even placed well in the recent ASL after getting knocked out in the Ro16 in VANT. However, unlike Mind, seems like Sea has been slacking lately. His results against players such as Shuttle, hero, last etc... have been dismal (<50%). We'll have to wait and see if he can pull himself together for this ASL. Sea hwaiting! #13: Light Known as one of the few Terran's not named Flash during the KeSPA era that could go toe-to-toe with Jaedong in the TvZ match-up, the Invisible Terran is unique in that he has participated in the post-KeSPA system of tournaments both before and after serving his mandatory stint in the Korean military. After a brief period of inactivity working for a start-up company, Light has come back onto the scene, and just like his career in the KeSPA era, look out for his TvZ because it's pleasure to watch - just don't hold your breath for his TvP and TvT. #14: free One of the original six dragons during the kespa era, free has had a hard time finding his stride. His last notable performance was during VANT where he was eliminated 1-3 by ZerO in Ro8. Afterwards, he has participated in various small tournaments with mixed results. In the previous ASL, he was eliminated in the group stages losing to sSak and Shuttle. As it stands, free has been losing quite a bit lately, even in his best matchup, PvZ. Whether free makes it past the group stages or falls there is anyone's guess. #15: Stork Stork was one of the most consistent protoss players during the Kespa era. During the qualifiers, it was rumoured that Stork practiced quite a bit, to the point that Sharp was confident that he will advance. His game against Flash in the KT Giga Legends Match seems to suggest that Stork's macro is pretty solid overall and it's mostly his decision making skills and positioning that need work. Still, with no recent BW results, Stork will have to best quite a bit of ex-pros who have years of extra practice under their belt after professional BW ended. #16: Larva Larva has been a madman as of late. His recent games seem to indicate that the Zerg player must have used stim to conquer his foes such as Flash and co on Afreeca especially when you consider his Top 5 ranking. He has not participated in many tournaments lately (knocked out right away in previous ASL, took first place in 41 Ranking tournament in April). We have seen some sparks of brilliance from Larva when he's streaming but whether those materialize on the upcoming ASL stage is a bit of an unknown at this point in time and nothing indicates otherwise. #17: Movie Despite being a force to be reckoned with over the past couple of years even when out of practice, 2016 has not been a kind year for Movie. The young protoss who is currently running a side business has been playing and streaming less BW these days and his skills have deteriorated as a result. His last significant standing was third place in the 41 Starleague Season 4, behind Mong and Last. With the current level of BW players rising ever so steadily, Movie is in the fight of his life if he wishes to make it far in this star-strutted ASL. #18: Mong Known as pig terran, Mong has fallen far from his top form where he was referred to as the Afreecan flash due to his intense multitasking. He has had little success in both VANT and the previous ASL where he was eliminated in the group stages by Last, hero and free. He was eliminated just recently in Thrill Starleague by s2 and Rain and his November stats have shown a great decline in his once formidable matchup, TvZ with a combined record of 8-21 when going up against hero and Effort. It's hard to see Mong going far with his current skill level. Maybe he'll get a power-up with the help of his girlfriend much like during the SSL9 days? #19: Iris Known as the berserker, Iris has not participated in any tournaments since the beginning of 2016. His last tournament was 41 Starleague season 4 where he was eliminated after losing against Sky, Guemchi and Shuttle. An old school player who came incredibly close to winning an OSL back in 2007, there may still be surprises left in store for us. Best not to count him out and tune in to cheer for his fighting spirit and victory! #20: Best Ah Best. Known for his macro-oriented style in PvT during the kespa era, it seems that Best is not as proficient at this style as he once were. His PvZ has also not shown much improvement. He was knocked out in the group stages early on in the last ASL and has a terrible record against both terrans and zergs on Afreeca this past month. While PvP is his current best matchup, he can't rely solely on it to get to the top considering this ASL's race distribution. Based on these results, things don't look too good for our dragon. BeSt not to call it quits yet though! #21: GuemChi Guemchi has been streaming less BW these days but has been gaining followers due to his antics (see this article). He has been knocked out in the earlier stages in the majority of tournaments he has participated in recently. His last good result was in VANT where he lost 1-3 to Effort in the Ro8. Whether he puts more effort into his gameplay is an unknown but G-shizzle will certainly give us a good show. #22: Rush Rush has taken games off PianO, Movie and ZerO this past January in the 41 Starleague Season 4. However, his previous knockout in the Ro16 in VANT does not paint his skills in good light when it comes to offline tournaments. This is the most stacked BW tournament that we have had since professional BW ended and based on this, it is really doubtful that Rush will make it far. #23: MisO MisO has not played in many tournaments over the years. In the most recent Thrill Starleague, he only managed to best Tyson and was knocked out by ZerO and Last. He has went up against several players in this league, most notably Mind, Sea and GuemChi and has lost to them all as well. Much like some of the lesser known players, it remains to be seen whether he makes it further than his usual. #24: Terror Terror managed to make it through the qualifiers on the back of beating Sexy 2-1. He is your atypical BW player. Since becoming a huge hit on Afreeca for his antics, he barely plays BW on his stream, eliciting to do other stuff. With his lack of practice, there's not much to be said about his potentially early exit. Expect one of the largest turnouts when he plays his matches in Group D. #25: Ample Ample has not participated in many tournaments lately. His last tournament was the 41 Starleague Season 4 where he was eliminated early on by Rush and by.hero. His records overall indicate that his best matchup is TvZ with his last win over Bale. Ample used to be quite a notable terran player years ago when the amateur scene first formed, however, he has been surpassed by many of the returning players. #26: force[Name] Much like Ample, Force[name] has been around the scene since the early SRT days where he has beaten plenty of amateurs. His most recent results include early exits from both SSL10 and 11 with a sole win over ZerO. With this large pool of extremely skilled players, only time will tell if force[name] makes a splash of his own this time around. #27: Hint Another amateur player, Hint's last tournament was the 41 Starleague Season 4 where he won several games off July and Last but was eliminated regardless. He has no notable achievements to his name even during the earlier SSL/SRT days where he was a frequent participant and not much expectations on his shoulders either. #28: By.Maru By.Maru is an unknown compared to everyone else on this list. It's commendable that he's made it past the qualifiers but all we can do now is watch his games to find out where he ranks among the rest. Writers: BigFan, GTR Graphics: v1 Editors: BigFan Photo Credits: DailyEsports
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ALLEYCAT BLUES48987 Posts
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Germany3128 Posts
Just earlier today I thought it would be awesome to have the Power Rank back and here you are. Thanks for the great work
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Pretty on point. I might rank BeSt a little higher and Rain a little lower.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES48987 Posts
BeSt had great PvZ when he came back, then he went full BeSt again.
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United States9652 Posts
On December 02 2016 15:13 Wolf wrote: Pretty on point. I might rank BeSt a little higher and Rain a little lower. Rain's PvT is still on fire.
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Holy crap. Didn't realize so many greats were still playing. Oh man this is exciting.
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South Korea2103 Posts
Rain is really quite far up there. Wonder what hes going to bring to the table during his groupplay
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Ahh love reading these! Thanks alot!
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Shuttle is beast these days. He is doing really outstanding games!
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Can you feel the hype??
BROOOOOOD~
WAAAAAAAR~
BABY <3
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On December 02 2016 15:44 Sabu113 wrote: Holy crap. Didn't realize so many greats were still playing. Oh man this is exciting.
Neither did I. I thought these guys retired but apparently they went back to BW? Are they doing this for fun or as their job?
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ALLEYCAT BLUES48987 Posts
why not both?
as full time streamers
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Ok well then it is the latter. Though you can have fun as your job, it is still your job.
Everyone have to do something to bring home the bacon.
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So excited for this!
Although there has been some fairly big BW tournaments this past year, this one should be a better indicator to see how BW can do as an eSport going forward.
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United States4883 Posts
On December 02 2016 17:04 BronzeKnee wrote: Ok well then it is the latter. Though you can have fun as your job, it is still your job.
Everyone have to do something to bring home the bacon.
You'd be amazed how much bacon Flash brings home....
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Super hyped for this!
I would put Stork a bit lower though.
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Yay, Power Rank is back! Can't wait for the upcoming ASL matches.
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Sea and light too high, free too low, soulkey a bit too high too
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Sea was the one who nicknamed Last Alphago, not Flash.
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If Larva can keep his game up in offline-environments he and Sharp should switch places. One thing going for him is that he recently switched to fullscreen starcraft while practicing. The tournaments use fullscreen too which could only have a positive effect.
Soulkey at #9???
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Rooting for Zergs. Mostly hero though... cause he is MY hero
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United States4883 Posts
On December 02 2016 21:09 letian wrote: Hey, where is Zero lol?
...He won't be playing in ASL . Lives too far away from the studio and can't afford to take the time or money to travel; also said he feels really bad when he's struggling with travel, plays badly, and then Afreeca chat insults him. It's a sucky situation to be in :/.
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wow BeSt@20
!!! controversial !!!
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I am so hyped for this ASL, great list! Now we only need liquibets
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Bisutopia19033 Posts
I actually disagree with a lot on this list to the point I think this is just a list after the first 6 and not a ranking.
* by,hero has had terrible results for almost two years, but is put above Mind who has performed better. *Soulkey, Jaedong, and Rain at 9, 10, & 11 is a HUGE insult to players that have actually earned results over the past several years. They need to all move down at least 4 spots. And how can we rank Soulkey so high without anything solid to back this up. Rain at least did well in the Thrill Starleague and Jaedong in GIGA. * Sea has dominated for 5 years now and had great tournament results (see online tournaments) yet is behind players who have no results * Free has had some of the best results as protoss second to only Bisu and Eyewater and owns some of the best PvT still. The fact that he is behind Rain is just wrong. * Stork is above Movie and BeSt even though Movie still randomly takes great results out of nowhere and BeSt had proven over the past year he's a pretty strong protoss too. Stork's giga matches prove nothing * Mong was at his best in 2014-2015 with decent results in 2016 yet we just tossed him down the stairs lol
Here's my power rank. I'd say the top 3 are interchangeable, but this captures their ranks more closely. + Show Spoiler +1. Last 2. Bisu 3. Flash 4. eyewater 5. effort 6. Mind 7. free 8. Sharp 9. Sea 10. Best 11. hero 12. Jaedong 13. Rain 14. Mong 15. Movie 16. larva 17. Soulkey 18. Light 19. Guemchi 20. Rush 21. Stork 22. Iris 23. Miso 24. Terror 25. Ample 26. Hint 27. force 28. By.maru
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i disagree with Flash being #1. Yeah he most likely will earn a top 3 spot soon enough, but he hasn't done so yet. He isn't a SOSPA/Afreeca Starleague Winner yet and past glory isn't enough in my book.
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France1916 Posts
What exactly are the selection criteria for the making of this ranking?
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On December 02 2016 22:42 Cele wrote: i disagree with Flash being #1. Yeah he most likely will earn a top 3 spot soon enough, but he hasn't done so yet. He isn't a SOSPA/Afreeca Starleague Winner yet and past glory isn't enough in my book. How about having the highest win rate since he came to afreeca and having winning record vs all of the players?
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On December 02 2016 22:42 Cele wrote: i disagree with Flash being #1. Yeah he most likely will earn a top 3 spot soon enough, but he hasn't done so yet. He isn't a SOSPA/Afreeca Starleague Winner yet and past glory isn't enough in my book.
Also rating shuttle, the current champion, on #5 ist just wrong, no matter what fancy words you use to explain it. There's no recent data of (big) tournaments to back that up and in my mind you need solid reasons to do so.
Rating Jaedong above accomplished SOSPA Veterans like Sea, Larva, Mong seems wrong too. Yes he is the tyrant, but again you give him this spot for his prestige only, he has no achievements so far (not counting a third place in the TLBS Showmatch..)
But reiterating my first statement, Flash on spot #1 isn't justifiable at all. Rating the player who was defeated 0-3 by Last in last ASL on the first place seems just off. Especially when you rate Last worse ^^
Overall, my first impression is this powerrank is based to much on hype and prestige of players and less on actual results.
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On December 02 2016 22:49 classicyellow83 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 22:42 Cele wrote: i disagree with Flash being #1. Yeah he most likely will earn a top 3 spot soon enough, but he hasn't done so yet. He isn't a SOSPA/Afreeca Starleague Winner yet and past glory isn't enough in my book. How about having the highest win rate since he came to afreeca and having winning record vs all of the players?
sorry but i was thinking the power rank would be created under the same criteria as the iterations back in the ol' days: tournament success. Since when do we make his practice games prime consideration? Yeah things have changed since we see first person streams every day, im open to the idea of taking that into account. But i think, tournament successes should be weighed more, for a couple of reasons. Not gonna go into detail,since i think it's obvious for us where the difference is.
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There we go, it seems that there's no lack of controversy after all.
Thanks for the power rank!
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On December 02 2016 22:49 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 22:42 Cele wrote: i disagree with Flash being #1. Yeah he most likely will earn a top 3 spot soon enough, but he hasn't done so yet. He isn't a SOSPA/Afreeca Starleague Winner yet and past glory isn't enough in my book. Also rating shuttle, the current champion, on #5 ist just wrong, no matter what fancy words you use to explain it. There's no recent data of (big) tournaments to back that up and in my mind you need solid reasons to do so. Rating Jaedong above accomplished SOSPA Veterans like Sea, Larva, Mong seems wrong too. Yes he is the tyrant, but again you give him this spot for his prestige only, he has no achievements so far (not counting a third place in the TLBS Showmatch..) But reiterating my first statement, Flash on spot #1 isn't justifiable at all. Rating the player who was defeated 0-3 by Last in last ASL on the first place seems just off. Especially when you rate Last worse ^^ Overall, my first impression is this powerrank is based to much on hype and prestige of players and less on actual results. The problem simply is that there aren't enough tournaments to make a power rank only using official results. You have to include other results as well. I don't see why results which area extremely old (talking about sospa events from >6 months ago) would be more relevant than recent baloon matches, etc As long as there aren't a lot of offline tournaments going on it's simply the best solution. You can still argue about the weighing of the results ofc
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On December 02 2016 22:58 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 22:49 Cele wrote:On December 02 2016 22:42 Cele wrote: i disagree with Flash being #1. Yeah he most likely will earn a top 3 spot soon enough, but he hasn't done so yet. He isn't a SOSPA/Afreeca Starleague Winner yet and past glory isn't enough in my book. Also rating shuttle, the current champion, on #5 ist just wrong, no matter what fancy words you use to explain it. There's no recent data of (big) tournaments to back that up and in my mind you need solid reasons to do so. Rating Jaedong above accomplished SOSPA Veterans like Sea, Larva, Mong seems wrong too. Yes he is the tyrant, but again you give him this spot for his prestige only, he has no achievements so far (not counting a third place in the TLBS Showmatch..) But reiterating my first statement, Flash on spot #1 isn't justifiable at all. Rating the player who was defeated 0-3 by Last in last ASL on the first place seems just off. Especially when you rate Last worse ^^ Overall, my first impression is this powerrank is based to much on hype and prestige of players and less on actual results. The problem simply is that there aren't enough tournaments to make a power rank only using official results. You have to include other results as well. I don't see why results which area extremely old (talking about sospa events from >6 months ago) would be more relevant than recent baloon matches, etc As long as there aren't a lot of offline tournaments going on it's simply the best solution. You can still argue about the weighing of the results ofc
agree with you on the point, but i think the weighing is the question here.
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Japan11285 Posts
On December 02 2016 19:12 classicyellow83 wrote: Sea was the one who nicknamed Last Alphago, not Flash. Thanks for confirming. There was a post earlier this year about when FlaSh watched Last's FPV, he went like "this guy truly like AlphaGo". So pretty much everyone thought he coined the nickname.
I call bull on this PR. Stork should have been number 1.
@BD
* Sea has dominated for 5 years now and had great tournament results (see online tournaments) yet is behind players who have no results I highlighted the keyword which is the sole reason why he placed that low. xP
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So hyped for this. Nice to see some BW Power rank on the spotlight too.
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Bisutopia19033 Posts
On December 02 2016 23:25 c3rberUs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 19:12 classicyellow83 wrote: Sea was the one who nicknamed Last Alphago, not Flash. Thanks for confirming. There was a post earlier this year about when FlaSh watched Last's FPV, he went like "this guy truly like AlphaGo". So pretty much everyone thought he coined the nickname. I call bull on this PR. Stork should have been number 1. @BD Show nested quote +* Sea has dominated for 5 years now and had great tournament results (see online tournaments) yet is behind players who have no results I highlighted the keyword which is the sole reason why he placed that low. xP Behind players with zero results. And he was in the final four of the last ASL so he even did well offline. Behind jd, soulkey, and rain is completely wrong.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES48987 Posts
Tournament success is no longer the end all be all guys, I'd rate sponmatches a lot more than most online tournaments.
And sea isn't playing with the fire that he used to have anymore
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On December 02 2016 21:14 SC2John wrote:...He won't be playing in ASL . Lives too far away from the studio and can't afford to take the time or money to travel; also said he feels really bad when he's struggling with travel, plays badly, and then Afreeca chat insults him. It's a sucky situation to be in :/.
That's also my situation. I wanted to achieve something at least before i serve the military service.
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I loved Power Ranks back in the day and I love them now.
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On December 03 2016 01:36 BLinD-RawR wrote: Tournament success is no longer the end all be all guys, I'd rate sponmatches a lot more than most online tournaments.
And sea isn't playing with the fire that he used to have anymore I think we still see more strategic play in online tournaments compared to the usual "another macro fest on FS" non-tournament play. And Sea still placed 3rd-4th in ASL without having an easy road, despite his recent online mediocre play. ------ Other than that I would expect Zero for #4/3 had he participated
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On December 02 2016 21:54 BisuDagger wrote:I actually disagree with a lot on this list to the point I think this is just a list after the first 6 and not a ranking. * by,hero has had terrible results for almost two years, but is put above Mind who has performed better. *Soulkey, Jaedong, and Rain at 9, 10, & 11 is a HUGE insult to players that have actually earned results over the past several years. They need to all move down at least 4 spots. And how can we rank Soulkey so high without anything solid to back this up. Rain at least did well in the Thrill Starleague and Jaedong in GIGA. * Sea has dominated for 5 years now and had great tournament results (see online tournaments) yet is behind players who have no results * Free has had some of the best results as protoss second to only Bisu and Eyewater and owns some of the best PvT still. The fact that he is behind Rain is just wrong. * Stork is above Movie and BeSt even though Movie still randomly takes great results out of nowhere and BeSt had proven over the past year he's a pretty strong protoss too. Stork's giga matches prove nothing * Mong was at his best in 2014-2015 with decent results in 2016 yet we just tossed him down the stairs lol Here's my power rank. I'd say the top 3 are interchangeable, but this captures their ranks more closely. + Show Spoiler +1. Last 2. Bisu 3. Flash 4. eyewater 5. effort 6. Mind 7. free 8. Sharp 9. Sea 10. Best 11. hero 12. Jaedong 13. Rain 14. Mong 15. Movie 16. larva 17. Soulkey 18. Light 19. Guemchi 20. Rush 21. Stork 22. Iris 23. Miso 24. Terror 25. Ample 26. Hint 27. force 28. By.maru
This is way off. Last recently went into shadows to improve his game after getting shat by 3 top zergs. Bisu has been sucking and has a losing record vs zergs. His winrate recently dipped below 50%. Effort has 63% win rate but that's VS players like bisu flash last included(70-80 games). I'd say top three are Flash, Effort, and By.Hero
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power rank!! :D will it be updated under TLPD on the right sidebar?
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Of course God is number 1.
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BW is a killer nowadays! Holy Shit
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Bisu is nr 1 in my book. I have seen too many lackluster games from Flash.
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Enjoyed so much but disagree with 9th and 10th spots: JD and Soulkey are really freash to scene. I wanted to see Sea on those spots due to online king got really far last season and lost his ticket into finals on really close TvT. Also 11th place for Rain who never played on real post KeSPa stage but 14th for Free who always passes ro32, mostly gets to ro8? I will put him just below Mind - 9th spot. In other hand of course it's a good idea to put fresh players bit above to hype them up. EDIT: Look above what BisuDagger said, 100% agree with him.
We need a carrier map for Stork to get him into finals. Wanna really see Movie going far this tournament. Mong needs to focus more on his game instead of running other jobs from what I heard to gain his form. Iris qualified for SSL11 but knocked out by Olympus, like his id says "30yearsold" he's bit old to compete with current pro's but I don't wanna count him out. Ah, poor Terror, got into group with God after so much effort to pass pleminiaries. I'm expecting so much from G-shizzle and BeSt. Larva fighting too! By.Maru looks like copy of SC2 expro Squirtle.
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yay Power Rank! hero should have been higher imo.
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Magic Woods9326 Posts
Force[name] has been around the scene since the early SRT days where he has beaten plenty of amateurs
yah boi force[Name] is an SSL champion
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Magic Woods9326 Posts
On December 03 2016 03:33 FyRe_DragOn wrote: power rank!! :D will it be updated under TLPD on the right sidebar? ELO =/= Power Rank
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Japan11285 Posts
Damn I forgot Sea placed quite well in the last ASL and only lost to the eventual runner-up. My bad.
Still, sponmatches matter a great deal more these days imho.
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Very nice, looking forward to the tournament.
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Just from seeing Flash's tournament games, I definitely don't think he should be #1. Can't wait for ASL though, I hope Jaedong does good, but we'll see!
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United States11390 Posts
sky not being #1 let alone even on this list shows that this power rank is a farce
this is an outrage
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How can Stork beat out Larva who crushes nerds on his stream and has a high Fish win rate?
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United States2948 Posts
Great work team, glad folks have something to refer to as a player preview as the tournament begins !
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Liquibet has Peruvian Terror picture instead our crazy antic terror.
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New Power Rank makes me happy
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United States9652 Posts
People in this thread don't realize that because there isn't a proleague, there's a lot of off-time between larger tournaments which means we look at some on-line tournaments and use their sponmatches as a good base for where players are. A player like Hero who went 4-4 against the best TvZ in the world is why he's being ranked higher than expected.
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да флэш просто суший макро терран я не понемаю зачем он вызвался за ничю приемушество было у него на стороне он мог бы просто полететь половиной зданий и поехать войсками в атаку под зданиями зделать сиеге и просто тупо убить тосса у которого был 1 чтормер и пачка кареров с пачкой гунов протев террановского лимита это смешно просто смешно в любом случае у него стояло столько турелей что даже если бы он не смог убить всех кареров то он мог бы просто порубить их интрецепторов а если бы даже не добил то всё равно кареры бы их слили на его туретках которых там было чтук 20
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On December 03 2016 20:55 Cele wrote:да флэш просто суший макро терран я не понемаю зачем он вызвался за ничю приемушество было у него на стороне он мог бы просто полететь половиной зданий и поехать войсками в атаку под зданиями зделать сиеге и просто тупо убить тосса у которого был 1 чтормер и пачка кареров с пачкой гунов протев террановского лимита это смешно просто смешно в любом случае у него стояло столько турелей что даже если бы он не смог убить всех кареров то он мог бы просто порубить их интрецепторов а если бы даже не добил то всё равно кареры бы их слили на его туретках которых там было чтук 20 User was warned for this post
LOL I remember like yesterday this meme.
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TLADT24917 Posts
Something that is constantly getting overlooked is the fact that unlike the past, we don't have a lot of different offline tournaments or PL going on atm. Most of what we have is ASL (originally SSL too but that's folded). With only a single ongoing offline tournaments, we have to consider online tournaments, showmatches etc...
Weighing isn't an exact science here and never is. Sure, some players could potentially move a couple of slots up or down but based on everything on all the above info, I believe the PR captures the true essence of how well the players rank atm. I've seen people claim that I was being unfair to Sea, Best, Mong and several others, rather I was insulting them due to them being placed lower than the fresher faces in the scene.
Thing is, take a look at how those "newer" faces are doing atm. SK has quite a decent record against top players atm. Not the best but far above the rest mentioned above especially considering how long he's been back for. Jaedong has been taking games off more and more terrans and though he lost the legend match to Bisu, he's been improving a lot every day. Rain's PvT is on fire and he recently finished third in Thrill Starleague which had a rather competitive pool.
On the other hand, Sea has been actively going downhill since the first ASL. His record and Best's against any of the top players are outright disgusting. His performance is extremely disappointing to see, whether you are a fan of his or not. Personally, I cheered for him for a long time in the post-kespa era (SRT days, meeting Killer in finals a lot, lots of bizzare games, destroying sSak 4-0 etc... good times) but you can't deny that he doesn't play as well as he used to. Also, let's keep in mind that there were only so many challengers in those days. Nowadays, the player pool skill has increased by quite a bit especially with the return of TBLS.
I could go on and on but suffice to say, the level of the current players fluctuates on a monthly basis.
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Was watching hero's stream when..
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^ Haha nice, too bad he can't read english but I hope he enjoyed it :D
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Netherlands4490 Posts
I imagine he was mad/laughing that Sharp was ranked above him ^^
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In Terror's blurb: "eliciting to do other stuff"
...pretty sure you mean "electing" to do other stuff
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United States9652 Posts
On December 07 2016 02:16 Peeano wrote: I imagine he was mad/laughing that Sharp was ranked above him ^^ well... he was knocked out in the round of 8 and sharp made it to the finals...
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TLADT24917 Posts
On December 08 2016 11:13 kochanfe wrote: In Terror's blurb: "eliciting to do other stuff"
...pretty sure you mean "electing" to do other stuff thanks, fixed
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On December 07 2016 01:23 iamho wrote:Was watching hero's stream when..
What exactly did he write? Are comments in the chat related to that?
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TLADT24917 Posts
Not sure about the comments but it doesn't seem like he wrote anything. I think that's the default text there (the usual "write a comment here").
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Seeing the power rank makes me feel like I'm back home
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How much i missed the old bw power rank. That deserves much much love.
Now, Jaedng please show those scrubs who is the boss here.
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Sea and Best probably read this ranking and got motivated
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Bisutopia19033 Posts
On January 06 2017 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:Sea and Best probably read this ranking and got motivated I'm glad I at least put BeSt in the top 10 (10 ranks higher then TL). Stork, Jaedong, and Guemchi all surprised me though.
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On January 06 2017 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:Sea and Best probably read this ranking and got motivated Yup... putting 'em at #12 and #20 respectively was harsh/off, even before they made the semifinals.
Jaedong at only #10 also didn't make any sense, even with only 2 months practice time... but we all know that now, right?
GuemChi deserved higher than #21 too, though with him you can at least see how someone could've thought that was okay... GC is forever underrated. Though maybe that's starting to change now.
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those pictures of players are really outdated, like 10 years ago
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That's not the picture of Terror we now associate with him!
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On January 18 2017 22:33 [[Starlight]] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:Sea and Best probably read this ranking and got motivated Yup... putting 'em at #12 and #20 respectively was harsh/off, even before they made the semifinals. Jaedong at only #10 also didn't make any sense, even with only 2 months practice time... but we all know that now, right? GuemChi deserved higher than #21 too, though with him you can at least see how someone could've thought that was okay... GC is forever underrated. Though maybe that's starting to change now. 2 months practice time? You know he was actually 424/jiko, right?
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I'm curious what people's speculative power rank top 10 would look like post-ASL. I think Jaedong and Flash as 1-2 is pretty clear.
This is controversial but I actually would still put Best over Sea. I think Best played more good Brood War than Sea did in their match, but that Sea got overwhelmingly lucky time and time again. Also controversially, I think Bisu looked incredibly weak against Sea, so much so that it wasn't primarily Sea's own skill but Bisu's surprisingly poor decisions that made for that loss.
For me it would probably be 1. Flash 2. Jaedong 3. Best 4. Sea 5. Guemchi/Iammong 6. Hero 7. Bisu 8. EffOrt 9. Stork 10. Light 11. Mind 12. Rush 13. Rain
EffOrt got matches in the Ro24 against two of the all-time best Zerg snipers, and so I feel he didn't get to show his true strength, even still generating the legendary EffOrt-Rain game on Circuit Breaker. Likewise Light, a renowned TvZ sniper and very good TvT player got put into a group with three Protoss in the Ro16, not getting to demonstrate his 'true strength'. Stork looked weak in all his wins and got shut down completely by Jaedong's solid play.
I believe a lot of players showed some spectacular games in the Ro24 and Ro16 but just because they didn't advance doesn't mean they aren't among the most powerful players. This is my personal power ranking of the "Lucky 13" of BW right now.
EDIT: Oh wow, I totally forgot about Last. I'd say he's definitely in the top 10 still, maybe above Stork? Definitely above Rush though.
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On January 24 2017 02:03 iopq wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2017 22:33 [[Starlight]] wrote:On January 06 2017 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:Sea and Best probably read this ranking and got motivated Yup... putting 'em at #12 and #20 respectively was harsh/off, even before they made the semifinals. Jaedong at only #10 also didn't make any sense, even with only 2 months practice time... but we all know that now, right? GuemChi deserved higher than #21 too, though with him you can at least see how someone could've thought that was okay... GC is forever underrated. Though maybe that's starting to change now. 2 months practice time? You know he was actually 424/jiko, right?
All I know is he didn't officially retire from SC2 until November 2016.
If he was playing tons of high-level BW (aka enough high-level BW) for a long time while still officially doing professional SC2, then bully for him... he certainly saw the future, what with Evil Geniuses shutting down their SC2 team just weeks after he left.
Their loss is our gain.
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On January 24 2017 03:29 SirKibbleX wrote: I'm curious what people's speculative power rank top 10 would look like post-ASL. I think Jaedong and Flash as 1-2 is pretty clear.
This is controversial but I actually would still put Best over Sea. I think Best played more good Brood War than Sea did in their match, but that Sea got overwhelmingly lucky time and time again. Also controversially, I think Bisu looked incredibly weak against Sea, so much so that it wasn't primarily Sea's own skill but Bisu's surprisingly poor decisions that made for that loss.
For me it would probably be 1. Flash 2. Jaedong 3. Best 4. Sea 5. Guemchi/Iammong 6. Hero 7. Bisu 8. EffOrt 9. Stork 10. Light 11. Mind 12. Rush 13. Rain
EffOrt got matches in the Ro24 against two of the all-time best Zerg snipers, and so I feel he didn't get to show his true strength, even still generating the legendary EffOrt-Rain game on Circuit Breaker. Likewise Light, a renowned TvZ sniper and very good TvT player got put into a group with three Protoss in the Ro16, not getting to demonstrate his 'true strength'. Stork looked weak in all his wins and got shut down completely by Jaedong's solid play.
I believe a lot of players showed some spectacular games in the Ro24 and Ro16 but just because they didn't advance doesn't mean they aren't among the most powerful players. This is my personal power ranking of the "Lucky 13" of BW right now.
That list is certainly in the ballpark, though I'm sure some will argue over the relative placings of Best vs Sea.
Though, I wouldn't... I think a Best vs Flash final might've been a little bit closer than Sea vs Flash was. Sea played like he was scared of Flash, which while understandable, probably guarantees a loss.
Also, while I dig GuemChi and think he's terminally underrated, not sure if he's quite Top 5 yet. Top 10, sure.
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South Korea2103 Posts
Sea's psyche failed him after game 2, he was far too confident after holding that rush on Circuit Breaker and that poor mentality permeated throughout the rest of the game and then map 4 as well.
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I wouldn't put JaeDong as #2 yet though. He needs more time. Getting past some terrans BBS'ing into 9 pool and beating Stork isn't enough yet. He did put up a nice fight against FlaSh, especially in game 1, but it was clear that his play was still lacking. I'm sure he'll get there eventually but lets give him a couple of more months before that.
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On January 24 2017 05:08 StylishVODs wrote: I wouldn't put JaeDong as #2 yet though. He needs more time. Getting past some terrans BBS'ing into 9 pool and beating Stork isn't enough yet. He did put up a nice fight against FlaSh, especially in game 1, but it was clear that his play was still lacking. I'm sure he'll get there eventually but lets give him a couple of more months before that. Best did beat him twice, true.
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I'm also not sure if this is a 'real' thing or not, but I feel like regardless of everything else, this was a really bad league for ZvP. In the whole ASL there were 18 PvZ - of those Zerg only won 5. If you take out Jaedong's 3-0 of Stork, where Stork was obviously totally outclassed, it's only 2/15 or a 13% winrate for Z.
Honestly I think in the current meta, and given the large Protoss presence in the league, the map pool really did not work out well for Z. Maybe the pool of Z players is just too shallow with EffOrt having been eliminated early, but it really seems like ZvP is in a pretty tough place, at least on these maps. Do you guys think this is a Meta issue or just the maps, or is the current pool of Zergs really just under-powered compared to protoss?
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On January 24 2017 06:21 SirKibbleX wrote: I'm also not sure if this is a 'real' thing or not, but I feel like regardless of everything else, this was a really bad league for ZvP. In the whole ASL there were 18 PvZ - of those Zerg only won 5. If you take out Jaedong's 3-0 of Stork, where Stork was obviously totally outclassed, it's only 2/15 or a 13% winrate for Z.
Honestly I think in the current meta, and given the large Protoss presence in the league, the map pool really did not work out well for Z. Maybe the pool of Z players is just too shallow with EffOrt having been eliminated early, but it really seems like ZvP is in a pretty tough place, at least on these maps. Do you guys think this is a Meta issue or just the maps, or is the current pool of Zergs really just under-powered compared to protoss? No. Only Bisu has winning record against Zerg. 6 Zergs have over 60% win rate against Protoss.
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Small sample size. Don't worry about 1 tournament. And when analyzing stuff like this, you can't just take out something like the Stork vs. Jaedong series for a reason like that.
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Post ASL Rankings:
1. Flash 2. Jaedong 3. BeSt 4. Sea 5. Bisu
Not sure about 6-10 though, the Ro8 matches were one sided and some of the Ro16 knock outs could be top 10... hm...
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On January 24 2017 07:07 HyralGambit wrote: Post ASL Rankings:
1. Flash 2. Jaedong 3. BeSt 4. Sea 5. Bisu
Not sure about 6-10 though, the Ro8 matches were one sided and some of the Ro16 knock outs could be top 10... hm... Does Bisu deserve #5 after being completely outclassed by Sea, though.
As in, 'not even close'.
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Germany3128 Posts
On January 24 2017 07:07 HyralGambit wrote: Post ASL Rankings:
1. Flash 2. Jaedong 3. BeSt 4. Sea 5. Bisu
Not sure about 6-10 though, the Ro8 matches were one sided and some of the Ro16 knock outs could be top 10... hm... How does everyone get to the conclusion that Jaedong should be 2nd already?
1. Flash is obvious
But why not Sea or BeSt over Jaedong? Atleast BeSt needs to be placed higher than JD after this ASL.
BeSt for example has shown us probably the best macro after Flash this season and the best games with only two big mistakes against Sea.
Sea reached the ASL finals for a reason and had the mental fortitude to defeat BeSt capitalizing on every mistake of BeSt due to his killer instinct.
You can argue that Sea managed to only advance in 2nd, defeated a horrible Bisu and then again won over a player who made terrible mistakes but JD's run also wasn't the most stellar one. May I remind you that JD advanced 2x times in 2nd place, in both cases behind BeSt, after losing to him? He also beat a Stork who was playing even worse than Bisu did against Sea. And as said before BeSt finished the groups 2x times in 1st place and afterwards defeated hero who atleast wasn't as much of a mess as Stork and Bisu were.
I think the more appropriate Power Rank would look like this: 1. Flash 2. BeSt 3./4. Sea/Jaedong <--- and even here I would probably give it to Sea.
Now if Jaedong keeps practising as hard as he does currently he probably is gonna be 2nd, maybe even 1st, at some point again but I don't think he's quite there yet. Just because he has the potential doesn't mean he's currently stronger than some of the other players.
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