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On March 31 2016 10:49 Bwforverpls wrote:
This is just openly xenophobic. The argument this is a server for Koreans is goofy. Hitler tried to make a country "just for Germans" and that worked out nicely. I honestly hope someone or teamliquid emails fish and tries to get this fixed for us. So unfair.
That's a retarded comparison. Koreans are 99.9%, foreigners were unexpected and, for a while, unwelcome. It's a Korean server for Korean players owned by Koreans hosted in Korea entirely in Korean.
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On March 31 2016 10:59 Jealous wrote:
There is still Melee mode, which on average should satisfy a large portion of foreign players in terms of skill requirement. There is still Garena, Gameranger, Evolve, and other clients that support BW. And, if you know anyone who has a Korean #, you can still ladder.
with the abolishment of the melee requirements, nobody will take melee seriously anymore, all the smurfs that used to populate melee mode will be gone too.
no longer worth it for serious practice
skill level is pretty crap in those other servers too
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On March 31 2016 11:05 Probemicro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2016 10:59 Jealous wrote:
There is still Melee mode, which on average should satisfy a large portion of foreign players in terms of skill requirement. There is still Garena, Gameranger, Evolve, and other clients that support BW. And, if you know anyone who has a Korean #, you can still ladder. with the abolishment of the melee requirements, nobody will take melee seriously anymore, all the smurfs that used to populate melee mode will be gone too. no longer worth it for serious practice
"Serious" is subjective. I'm sure Melee Fish will still be comparable to in terms of skill, if not above, and far more populous than C rank ICCup come April. That is already too high for the bottom ~85?% of ICCup.
EDIT: Skill level being crap on those other servers is true. GameRanger and Garena have resident ~5-10 players that are B and up (ICCup), mostly Fish rejects and people looking to boost confidence. However, if you're just looking for casual or low-level play, then those are also alternatives that were not mentioned by the poster I was responding to. I just wanted to put all the options out there.
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i didn't say anything about popularity, my point is skill level.
at least there used to be an incentive to play melee (to farm wins) and also you get the chance to practice seriously against the smurfs, but now zilch, nada.
it will just used as a fun outlet to test builds or for very weak players to gain confidence, nothing more. it will be worst than f- in fish
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On March 31 2016 11:12 Probemicro wrote:
i didn't say anything about popularity, my point is skill level.
at least there used to be an incentive to play melee (to farm wins) and also you get the chance to practice seriously against the smurfs, but now zilch, nada.
it will just used as a fun outlet to test builds or for very weak players to gain confidence, nothing more. it will be worst than f- in fish
I doubt average skill level will be below C ICCup, which means it is decent practice for anyone above or at that level, satisfying the same position it held before, no?
The loss of Ladder for many upper-level foreigners will be felt, but perhaps this will help centralize foreign interests on ICCup, or something -_-; We should see more Koreans on ICCup as a result of this measure as well, I think.
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iccup is LADDER, ranks to be had, people will take it seriously
melee used to be taken seriously because of 30 wins requirement, now thats gone, who plays 1v1 will now take that seriously? people will do whatever they want like leaving early or giving up at first hint of trouble since its normal stats and not ladder stats, you get my point?
3 accounts per phone is still pretty sizable allowance (not to mention people can also use their relative/friends phones who don't play BW). there will be an influx of koreans to other servers but it won't be that big tbh
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On March 30 2016 12:03 amazingxkcd wrote:
don't blame them for doing this. if this is SOP for their online games and is part of their culture, then why should they accommodate for foreigners? People will figure out how to spoof korean phone numbers regardless
I really like this comment. I think this thread should be closed soon.
Either ask the fish admins politely about non-kr users playing ladder to find an another way to solve, or kr friends to help your situation.
keep complaining and talking trash will never go anywhere.
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On March 31 2016 11:20 Probemicro wrote:
iccup is LADDER, ranks to be had, people will take it seriously
melee used to be taken seriously because of 30 wins requirement, now thats gone, who plays 1v1 will now take that seriously? people will do whatever they want like leaving early or giving up at first hint of trouble since its normal stats and not ladder stats, you get my point?
3 accounts per phone is still pretty sizable allowance (not to mention people can also use their relative/friends phones who don't play BW). there will be an influx of koreans to other servers but it won't be that big tbh
True. Can't argue that.
Actual opponent on the other end is actually a competent player more often than on ICCup though. On ICCup you have people at C rank who got there by only going 2 Fact Port vs P (or insert your favorite cheese/all-in for noobs here) and don't know anything else. I feel like I'd prefer to play good Terrans on Fish melee that leave at the first sign of trouble/are trying new builds than players who know jack squat about the late game and just all-in every game, for example. I know this is anecdotal, so let me put in differently: I feel like melee Fish will have better players at a higher quantity than comparable populations ICCup ranks for everyone except ICCup A rank foreigners. For them, it probably sucks the hardest.
On March 31 2016 11:21 LaStScan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2016 12:03 amazingxkcd wrote:
don't blame them for doing this. if this is SOP for their online games and is part of their culture, then why should they accommodate for foreigners? People will figure out how to spoof korean phone numbers regardless I really like this comment. I think this thread should be closed soon. Either ask the fish admins politely about non-kr users playing ladder to find an another way to solve, or kr friends to help your situation. keep complaining and talking trash will never go anywhere.
I somehow overlooked this post, it says what I wanted to say better than I did on the previous page.
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One of two things will happen:
1. Foreigners will just ask Korean friends to activate their accounts
or
2. Foreigners will leave Fish and join iCCup, guaranteed to bring great players back to the ladder and make it more competitive
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I love the koreaboos who come jumping to fish's defense. I love how you're defending the ability for any race besides Koreans to play. Pretty cool. And If you think this isn't rooted in racism and xenophobia you are wildly ignorant of Korean culture as whole which is ironic because you are defending the decision. Really cute keep it classy dude
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I'm talking to a korean friend on Fish right now. He said he'll let me use his number, but he is saying that this verification is only to obtain 'special benefits.' E.g. If you go on massive loss streak, you won't lose extra points and things like this.
He said we can all still ladder without the identification. Obviously I can't read korean but I do trust his word. Is there some disconnect between what's being said in this thread versus what he is saying?
EDIT: He's saying it's just for if you want to create a new account, you can bypass the 30wins/48 hours. As was said in this thread in a previous post. But it doesn't impinge your right to play, you can just get the 30wins/48hours manually as we do now and still continue to ladder. It's just a step to help most players (koreans) bypass the ridiculous rules to set up a ladder account.
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On March 31 2016 12:00 ProtossGG wrote:
I'm talking to a korean friend on Fish right now. He said he'll let me use his number, but he is saying that this verification is only to obtain 'special benefits.' E.g. If you go on massive loss streak, you won't lose extra points and things like this.
He said we can all still ladder without the identification. Obviously I can't read korean but I do trust his word. Is there some disconnect between what's being said in this thread versus what he is saying?
Nothing ever mentioned that, either the admins changed something and told him or he's lying. Hearing it from admins isn't unrealistic, we have an admin that hangs in our channel quite often and we're a clan with no achievements whatsoever.
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On March 31 2016 11:55 Bwforverpls wrote:
I love the koreaboos who come jumping to fish's defense. I love how you're defending the ability for any race besides Koreans to play. Pretty cool. And If you think this isn't rooted in racism and xenophobia you are wildly ignorant of Korean culture as whole which is ironic because you are defending the decision. Really cute keep it classy dude
Can somebody check if this is mca64? This account was created today and it has two posts, both of which dissing Korea.
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On March 31 2016 12:06 WinterViewbot420 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2016 12:00 ProtossGG wrote:
I'm talking to a korean friend on Fish right now. He said he'll let me use his number, but he is saying that this verification is only to obtain 'special benefits.' E.g. If you go on massive loss streak, you won't lose extra points and things like this.
He said we can all still ladder without the identification. Obviously I can't read korean but I do trust his word. Is there some disconnect between what's being said in this thread versus what he is saying? Nothing ever mentioned that, either the admins changed something and told him or he's lying. Hearing it from admins isn't unrealistic, we have an admin that hangs in our channel quite often and we're a clan with no achievements whatsoever.
Why would he lie though? I doubt lying. If he's wrong it would instead be that's misunderstood it himself lol.
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On March 31 2016 12:00 ProtossGG wrote:
I'm talking to a korean friend on Fish right now. He said he'll let me use his number, but he is saying that this verification is only to obtain 'special benefits.' E.g. If you go on massive loss streak, you won't lose extra points and things like this.
He said we can all still ladder without the identification. Obviously I can't read korean but I do trust his word. Is there some disconnect between what's being said in this thread versus what he is saying?
EDIT: He's saying it's just for if you want to create a new account, you can bypass the 30wins/48 hours. As was said in this thread in a previous post. But it doesn't impinge your right to play, you can just get the 30wins/48hours manually as we do now and still continue to ladder. It's just a step to help most players (koreans) bypass the ridiculous rules to set up a ladder account.
interesting.
someone is not telling the whole story here.
btw i don't trust the OP fully either, hes a BW newbie and not an official authority of fish, even though he behaves like one.
edit: is that it? good i guess :D
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On March 31 2016 12:18 Probemicro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2016 12:00 ProtossGG wrote:
I'm talking to a korean friend on Fish right now. He said he'll let me use his number, but he is saying that this verification is only to obtain 'special benefits.' E.g. If you go on massive loss streak, you won't lose extra points and things like this.
He said we can all still ladder without the identification. Obviously I can't read korean but I do trust his word. Is there some disconnect between what's being said in this thread versus what he is saying?
EDIT: He's saying it's just for if you want to create a new account, you can bypass the 30wins/48 hours. As was said in this thread in a previous post. But it doesn't impinge your right to play, you can just get the 30wins/48hours manually as we do now and still continue to ladder. It's just a step to help most players (koreans) bypass the ridiculous rules to set up a ladder account. interesting. someone is not telling the whole story here. btw i don't trust the OP fully either, hes a BW newbie and not the authority of fish
Agree. I trust my Korean friends on Fish. I'm going with my original statement.
EDIT: And if we're wrong, I guess it is what it is. I have a korean number I can use regardless lol. But let's just hope for the best, I don't know why I'd be misled unless my friend is a complete fool.
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On March 31 2016 12:18 Probemicro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2016 12:00 ProtossGG wrote:
I'm talking to a korean friend on Fish right now. He said he'll let me use his number, but he is saying that this verification is only to obtain 'special benefits.' E.g. If you go on massive loss streak, you won't lose extra points and things like this.
He said we can all still ladder without the identification. Obviously I can't read korean but I do trust his word. Is there some disconnect between what's being said in this thread versus what he is saying?
EDIT: He's saying it's just for if you want to create a new account, you can bypass the 30wins/48 hours. As was said in this thread in a previous post. But it doesn't impinge your right to play, you can just get the 30wins/48hours manually as we do now and still continue to ladder. It's just a step to help most players (koreans) bypass the ridiculous rules to set up a ladder account. interesting. someone is not telling the whole story here. btw i don't trust the OP fully either, hes a BW newbie and not an official authority of fish, even though he behaves like one. edit: is that it? good i guess :D
OP is right lol. I'm korean confirming the truth of OP's words.
They've abolished 30win/50hr policy and replaced it with phone verification method.
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On March 31 2016 11:55 Bwforverpls wrote:
I love the koreaboos who come jumping to fish's defense. I love how you're defending the ability for any race besides Koreans to play. Pretty cool. And If you think this isn't rooted in racism and xenophobia you are wildly ignorant of Korean culture as whole which is ironic because you are defending the decision. Really cute keep it classy dude
lol.
owned by koreans, played predominantly by koreans, located in korea, uses korean language, wants to adopt a very common identification system that can be seen on practically every single website in korea that requires registration, yet somehow this is racist.
stop being so self entitled and grow the fuck up
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this is the posting in question.
I did a quick translation, and posted it below. It may not be perfect, as I don't have time to proofread at the moment.
Source: https://www.fishbattle.net/server_notice/18356656#21
Hello, this is Turtle*Admin.
Starting April 1st, 2016, we will be implementing a ID verification system through a mobile device.
This ID confirmation system is designed to provide some more ways to enjoy [the server] and through this system we hope to remove a lot of the annoyances that currently exist.
If you do not verify your ID, you will still be able to use the server as is, with no changes.
The steps to the ID verification are as below:
1. When you login to the home page, register your phone. Or register your mobile phone in your profile pag at the channel system page (http://clan.fishbattle.net)
2. Confirm with an SNS sent to your mobile device to verify your ID.
* You can create up to 3 ID's per day
* We are planning on allowing users to deregister [their mobile device] in the future.
The benefits of verifying your ID are as follows:
1. Ladder Games
- Verified ID's do not need 30 wins / 50 hours to play in ladder games.
2. Point System
- Verified ID's can send and receive point gifts.
- During the point gift's duration, the current 20% commission charge is reduced by 0.5%
Thank you for using Fish Server!
We hope that you will enjoy the server and the systems that will be implemented!
Thank you.
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안녕하세요. Turtle*Admin 입니다.
16년 4월 1일부터 핸드폰을 통한 아이디 인증 시스템을 도입하고자 합니다.
아이디 인증 시스템은 유저 여러분들께 다양한 편의 기능을 제공하기 위한 것이며
이를 통해 더욱 쾌적한 서버 환경을 조성하고 불편을 최소화 시킬 예정입니다.
아이디 인증시 추가적인 비용은 소요되지 않으며,
아이디 인증을 하지 않아도 그대로 서버를 이용하실 수 있습니다.
아이디 인증은 다음과 같은 절차를 통해 이루어집니다.
1. 홈페이지 로그인 시 핸드폰 번호 등록 또는 개인정보 수정 페이지에서 핸드폰 번호 등록
1. 채널관리 시스템 (http://clan.fishbattle.net/) 에서 핸드폰 번호 등록
2. SMS를 통해 인증번호 수신후 아이디 인증 완료
※ 동일 핸드폰 번호로 최대 3개의 아이디 인증 가능
※ 등록 해제 기능은 추후 구현 예정
아이디 인증 후 이용가능한 항목은 다음과 같습니다.
1. 래더 게임
- 기존 30승/50시간 제한을 폐지하고 인증된 아이디에 한해 래더 게임이 가능합니다.
2. 포인트 시스템
- 인증된 아이디에 한해 포인트 선물하기/선물받기 기능 허용
- 포인트 선물 시 기존 20%의 수수료를 0.5%로 하향 조정
항상 피쉬서버를 이용해 주시는 유저분들께 감사의 말씀을 드리며
앞으로도 다양한 시스템 도입을 통하여 더욱 쾌적한 환경을 만들어 나가겠습니다.
감사합니다.
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