ANOTHER EDIT: Nevermind, Scan and Koreans have confirmed you do indeed need a Korean ID. I thought I mistranslated the post, turns out I was right. Yayyyy *dances over useless forum post*
Another EDIT: They edited it to say this is for "special benefits" which is, unsurprisingly, super fucking vague and says nothing. There was no notice of this edit.
EDIT: Melee, UMS, absolutely everything including making accounts is exactly the same as before. Find a Korean friend that will let you use their number. If you have to go on Twitter or Reddit.
There has not been a post about this, I will add a link if there is an announcement on the FishBattle forums.
This is a huge blow to foreigners, you will need to verify a Korean phone number starting April 1st to access the ladder. Three accounts per phone number, no more for any reason whatsoever. The requirement of 30 wins and 48 hours online will be removed. quick edit: This is to make the ladder more accessible because right now the ladder is extremely difficult due to the 30 melee win requirement. This makes it very hard for newer players to get into StarCraft. With the recent influx of players Fish staff are doing everything they can to make the ladder more accessible.
I don't have much else to put here, but I felt this is extremely important. If you ladder on Fish, find a Korean friend willing to lend their number.
What the actual f*ck? Who does stuff like this? Is it really the medieval ages still? Do you just have to enter a number or are they actually calling and asking you questions?
On March 30 2016 08:04 RoomOfMush wrote: What the actual f*ck? Who does stuff like this? Is it really the medieval ages still? Do you just have to enter a number or are they actually calling and asking you questions?
From what I can tell it'll be a verification text. It's to keep people from making tons of smurfs or pulling a Last and taking up 20% of the top 50 ladder.
Smurfing is a pretty big problem in Korean games that don't require ID, and why would Fish just sit back and let all 100,000 new players since mid-November drive themselves away?
A reasonable anti-smurfing measure, although it really gives Fish a ton of personal data information they should not be having at all.
Any possibility they'll give non-koreans some other option of registration or is this the end for most foreigner's ability to play on Fish?
What about existing IDs, will these be carried through without the new verification process or will all existing accounts have to get verified?
Edit: You said ladder, does this mean anyone can still access Fish server and make accs, they just can't participate on Ladder without this verification code? How is this verification entered once on bnet?
On March 30 2016 08:29 DarkNetHunter wrote: A reasonable anti-smurfing measure, although it really gives Fish a ton of personal data information they should not be having at all.
Any possibility they'll give non-koreans some other option of registration or is this the end for most foreigner's ability to play on Fish?
What about existing IDs, will these be carried through without the new verification process or will all existing accounts have to get verified?
Edit: You said ladder, does this mean anyone can still access Fish server and make accs, they just can't participate on Ladder without this verification code? How is this verification entered once on bnet?
Yes, this is only for ladder. Nothing else will be changed.
The full list of account rules as of April 1st are as follows:
Only three accounts may be created per 14 days by a single user
Boosting yourself with secondary accounts, including melee stats, is forbidden
Phone verification is required to participate in the ladder
Only three accounts may be linked to a single phone number and therefore user
30 melee wins will no longer be required to participate in the ladder
Users banned for map hacking will be IP banned and their phone number will be invalid for activation
Unofficial notes for foreigners by WinterViewbot420 (gotta look snazzy here shhh):
Korean friends are allowed to use their phone number to activate your account
Consistent lag may result in a ban from the ladder, but not from Fish or anything else
Bad manners such as corner floating may result in IP, MAC, HWID and motherboard UID ban
A VPN may result in a ban depending on latency and past actions
On March 30 2016 09:46 Trozz wrote: That's pretty brutal. Now they get to data mine. Bling bling, players lose.
Koreans are really happy about this. Now anybody can play the ladder and F will be what it's supposed to be, which is the lowest level. People got offended when I said F players could beat top iCCup players. I'm not disrespecting foreigners, I'm stating that it's a problem. In what reality should an F player on one server beat an A or B player on another?
On March 30 2016 09:52 evilfatsh1t wrote: wtf is corner floating
Floating your buildings in a hard-to-reach areas of the map so people have to build flying units to kill them
I think it is an okay idea even though non-korean and korean who live in different countries will have the difficulty of entering ladder games. Korean server games, we are always required to verify our ID by cellphone(going through text message; aka: Code). That's why there's not a lot of people smurfing in games(1 ID for 3 accounts i believe, and this is for Riot Games KR LOL).
I would like the admin to think of the people who live in outside and solve this problem in another way instead of borrowing korean friends' phone number.
implement xenophobic policy (though its common in other kor games) to accomodate new casual players, also get to gather personal data to sell to 3rd parties. kill 3 birds with 1 stone, nice.
don't blame them for doing this. if this is SOP for their online games and is part of their culture, then why should they accommodate for foreigners? People will figure out how to spoof korean phone numbers regardless
On March 30 2016 09:46 Trozz wrote: That's pretty brutal. Now they get to data mine. Bling bling, players lose.
Koreans are really happy about this. Now anybody can play the ladder and F will be what it's supposed to be, which is the lowest level. People got offended when I said F players could beat top iCCup players. I'm not disrespecting foreigners, I'm stating that it's a problem. In what reality should an F player on one server beat an A or B player on another?
On March 30 2016 09:52 evilfatsh1t wrote: wtf is corner floating
Floating your buildings in a hard-to-reach areas of the map so people have to build flying units to kill them
I'm going to ignore the semantics about F fish players vs top iccup players and simply ask: Why would a players' rank on iccup or any other server be relevant when they are playing on Fish? What's the problem if F players were actually better than A rank on iccup? Separate servers' ranking systems are independent.
On March 30 2016 09:46 Trozz wrote: That's pretty brutal. Now they get to data mine. Bling bling, players lose.
Koreans are really happy about this. Now anybody can play the ladder and F will be what it's supposed to be, which is the lowest level. People got offended when I said F players could beat top iCCup players. I'm not disrespecting foreigners, I'm stating that it's a problem. In what reality should an F player on one server beat an A or B player on another?
On March 30 2016 09:52 evilfatsh1t wrote: wtf is corner floating
Floating your buildings in a hard-to-reach areas of the map so people have to build flying units to kill them
I'm going to ignore the semantics about F fish players vs top iccup players and simply ask: Why would a players' rank on iccup or any other server be relevant when they are playing on Fish? What's the problem if F players were actually better than A rank on iccup? Separate servers' ranking systems are independent.
While I don't disagree with your main point, please, let's focus on these rule changes. Personally, I think this is pretty big news. Wonder if it'll affect the amount of foreigners who play on fish and if in turn, this will cause some to go back to ICCup.
On March 30 2016 09:46 Trozz wrote: That's pretty brutal. Now they get to data mine. Bling bling, players lose.
Koreans are really happy about this. Now anybody can play the ladder and F will be what it's supposed to be, which is the lowest level. People got offended when I said F players could beat top iCCup players. I'm not disrespecting foreigners, I'm stating that it's a problem. In what reality should an F player on one server beat an A or B player on another?
On March 30 2016 09:52 evilfatsh1t wrote: wtf is corner floating
Floating your buildings in a hard-to-reach areas of the map so people have to build flying units to kill them
I'm going to ignore the semantics about F fish players vs top iccup players and simply ask: Why would a players' rank on iccup or any other server be relevant when they are playing on Fish? What's the problem if F players were actually better than A rank on iccup? Separate servers' ranking systems are independent.
While I don't disagree with your main point, please, let's focus on these rule changes. Personally, I think this is pretty big news. Wonder if it'll affect the amount of foreigners who play on fish and if in turn, this will cause some to go back to ICCup.
gahhh practicing on iccup is completely useless though.
actually it would also cause a new influx of koreans to iccup...now that they can no longer smurf as much accounts as they used to be able to, they will want to look elsewhere for their noob-bashing needs.
the quality of the lower rungs of fish ladder will also drop with many noobs no longer have to contend with multitudes of smurfs and can finally aim for their shiny coveted E rank. E/D rank will mean less than it used to.
OMG total lobsters....... I hope that their servers get on fire and burn to ashes! I thought that in South Korea is "democracy"... Call Obama, Fish server needs some freedom! And now you gonna say that Last is not going to use his family phones to confirm his 100000 smurfs? Maybe they need to do something for accounts registered per IP not phone confirm...
Twilio (e.g.) supports sending texts to numbers in hundreds of countries. I don't know what service Fish is using for SMS, but there's no technical reason their phone verification has to be limited to Korean numbers. Supporting different number formats doesn't increase implementation complexity either since you're just feeding the number to a library.
Whether you see this as an effort to exclude foreigners from the ladder or just an unusually intense form of not caring at all about people outside Korea is up to you.
This is an obvious rule to prevent foreigners from playing on ladder. Anyone who disagrees is naive. As a foreigner, i have already faced so much bigotry on fish as well as many of my foreigner friends. So, this doesn't suprise me. I know this doesn't represent all koreans, as i have many korean friends on fish, but this is still very sad and bigoted. I actually feel more anger than sadness. I do not think i will even atempt to play there anymore unless they change this rule. This is coming from someone who has played several hundred fish games in the past few months..
On March 30 2016 21:31 SolaR- wrote: This is an obvious rule to prevent foreigners from playing on ladder. Anyone who disagrees is naive. As a foreigner, i have already faced so much bigotry on fish as well as many of my foreigner friends. So, this doesn't suprise me. I know this doesn't represent all koreans, as i have many korean friends on fish, but this is still very sad and bigoted. I actually feel more anger than sadness. I do not think i will even atempt to play there anymore unless they change this rule. This is coming from someone who has played several hundred fish games in the past few months..
I can't tell if you're serious or not, StarCraft is literally the only top 10 game in Korea that requires absolutely no form of verification whatsoever. Instead of getting an ID service, they went out of their way for foreigners and made an SMS verification system, and even let you tie three accounts to a single number.
On March 30 2016 18:21 gngfn wrote: Twilio (e.g.) supports sending texts to numbers in hundreds of countries. I don't know what service Fish is using for SMS, but there's no technical reason their phone verification has to be limited to Korean numbers. Supporting different number formats doesn't increase implementation complexity either since you're just feeding the number to a library.
Whether you see this as an effort to exclude foreigners from the ladder or just an unusually intense form of not caring at all about people outside Korea is up to you.
I don't think you understand just how integrated Korea's services are. If the phone number doesn't belong to a legal citizen, it won't work. This has been the case since SMS verification was introduced to South Korea. Every game, every phone number, nearly every service a Korean citizen signs up for has all of this information documented. If the phone number belongs to a random service and not a person, Fish will reject the number. I know this because Fish is using the same system several other private services use. Fish is a non-profit company.
On March 30 2016 21:31 SolaR- wrote: This is an obvious rule to prevent foreigners from playing on ladder. Anyone who disagrees is naive. As a foreigner, i have already faced so much bigotry on fish as well as many of my foreigner friends. So, this doesn't suprise me. I know this doesn't represent all koreans, as i have many korean friends on fish, but this is still very sad and bigoted. I actually feel more anger than sadness. I do not think i will even atempt to play there anymore unless they change this rule. This is coming from someone who has played several hundred fish games in the past few months..
I can't tell if you're serious or not, StarCraft is literally the only top 10 game in Korea that requires absolutely no form of verification whatsoever. Instead of getting an ID service, they went out of their way for foreigners and made an SMS verification system, and even let you tie three accounts to a single number.
On March 30 2016 18:21 gngfn wrote: Twilio (e.g.) supports sending texts to numbers in hundreds of countries. I don't know what service Fish is using for SMS, but there's no technical reason their phone verification has to be limited to Korean numbers. Supporting different number formats doesn't increase implementation complexity either since you're just feeding the number to a library.
Whether you see this as an effort to exclude foreigners from the ladder or just an unusually intense form of not caring at all about people outside Korea is up to you.
I don't think you understand just how integrated Korea's services are. If the phone number doesn't belong to a legal citizen, it won't work. This has been the case since SMS verification was introduced to South Korea. Every game, every phone number, nearly every service a Korean citizen signs up for has all of this information documented. If the phone number belongs to a random service and not a person, Fish will reject the number. I know this because Fish is using the same system several other private services use. Fish is a non-profit company.
Went out of their way for foreigners? What are you smoking? I can't make an account unless i have a korean phone number that i can obtain the verification code. If you dont have a korean friend willing to share one of his numbers you are fucked.
On March 30 2016 21:31 SolaR- wrote: This is an obvious rule to prevent foreigners from playing on ladder. Anyone who disagrees is naive. As a foreigner, i have already faced so much bigotry on fish as well as many of my foreigner friends. So, this doesn't suprise me. I know this doesn't represent all koreans, as i have many korean friends on fish, but this is still very sad and bigoted. I actually feel more anger than sadness. I do not think i will even atempt to play there anymore unless they change this rule. This is coming from someone who has played several hundred fish games in the past few months..
I can't tell if you're serious or not, StarCraft is literally the only top 10 game in Korea that requires absolutely no form of verification whatsoever. Instead of getting an ID service, they went out of their way for foreigners and made an SMS verification system, and even let you tie three accounts to a single number.
On March 30 2016 18:21 gngfn wrote: Twilio (e.g.) supports sending texts to numbers in hundreds of countries. I don't know what service Fish is using for SMS, but there's no technical reason their phone verification has to be limited to Korean numbers. Supporting different number formats doesn't increase implementation complexity either since you're just feeding the number to a library.
Whether you see this as an effort to exclude foreigners from the ladder or just an unusually intense form of not caring at all about people outside Korea is up to you.
I don't think you understand just how integrated Korea's services are. If the phone number doesn't belong to a legal citizen, it won't work. This has been the case since SMS verification was introduced to South Korea. Every game, every phone number, nearly every service a Korean citizen signs up for has all of this information documented. If the phone number belongs to a random service and not a person, Fish will reject the number. I know this because Fish is using the same system several other private services use. Fish is a non-profit company.
Okay, maybe my reading comprehension skills have diminished greatly in the last while or so, or maybe I'm just really tired, because I'm not understanding either the announcement (as per your original post) or your logic (or both). For instance, I see the first and second part of this particular post as contradictory towards one another. How have they gone out of the way for foreigners by implementing this particular Korean-phone-number-only system? How many "foreigners" have a Korean phone number? It doesn't make any sense. Also, how many do you think have Korean friends, on Fish or otherwise, who reside in Korea, who are willing to give up one verification out of three?
On March 30 2016 21:31 SolaR- wrote: This is an obvious rule to prevent foreigners from playing on ladder. Anyone who disagrees is naive. As a foreigner, i have already faced so much bigotry on fish as well as many of my foreigner friends. So, this doesn't suprise me. I know this doesn't represent all koreans, as i have many korean friends on fish, but this is still very sad and bigoted. I actually feel more anger than sadness. I do not think i will even atempt to play there anymore unless they change this rule. This is coming from someone who has played several hundred fish games in the past few months..
I can't tell if you're serious or not, StarCraft is literally the only top 10 game in Korea that requires absolutely no form of verification whatsoever. Instead of getting an ID service, they went out of their way for foreigners and made an SMS verification system, and even let you tie three accounts to a single number.
On March 30 2016 18:21 gngfn wrote: Twilio (e.g.) supports sending texts to numbers in hundreds of countries. I don't know what service Fish is using for SMS, but there's no technical reason their phone verification has to be limited to Korean numbers. Supporting different number formats doesn't increase implementation complexity either since you're just feeding the number to a library.
Whether you see this as an effort to exclude foreigners from the ladder or just an unusually intense form of not caring at all about people outside Korea is up to you.
I don't think you understand just how integrated Korea's services are. If the phone number doesn't belong to a legal citizen, it won't work. This has been the case since SMS verification was introduced to South Korea. Every game, every phone number, nearly every service a Korean citizen signs up for has all of this information documented. If the phone number belongs to a random service and not a person, Fish will reject the number. I know this because Fish is using the same system several other private services use. Fish is a non-profit company.
Went out of their way for foreigners? What are you smoking? I can't make an account unless i have a korean phone number that i can obtain the verification code. If you dont have a korean friend willing to share one of his numbers you are fucked.
This is why I made the edit you people said was useless and that I didn't understand what you're talking about.
You don't need a number for ANYTHING but ladder. Make one account, make ten, make ten thousand, it doesn't fucking matter, but you can only keep up to three accounts in the ladder. Right now it's a disaster and this solves everything.
Would you rather have ID verification? I'm not sure how many Koreans will give you that information lol
On March 30 2016 21:31 SolaR- wrote: This is an obvious rule to prevent foreigners from playing on ladder. Anyone who disagrees is naive. As a foreigner, i have already faced so much bigotry on fish as well as many of my foreigner friends. So, this doesn't suprise me. I know this doesn't represent all koreans, as i have many korean friends on fish, but this is still very sad and bigoted. I actually feel more anger than sadness. I do not think i will even atempt to play there anymore unless they change this rule. This is coming from someone who has played several hundred fish games in the past few months..
I can't tell if you're serious or not, StarCraft is literally the only top 10 game in Korea that requires absolutely no form of verification whatsoever. Instead of getting an ID service, they went out of their way for foreigners and made an SMS verification system, and even let you tie three accounts to a single number.
On March 30 2016 18:21 gngfn wrote: Twilio (e.g.) supports sending texts to numbers in hundreds of countries. I don't know what service Fish is using for SMS, but there's no technical reason their phone verification has to be limited to Korean numbers. Supporting different number formats doesn't increase implementation complexity either since you're just feeding the number to a library.
Whether you see this as an effort to exclude foreigners from the ladder or just an unusually intense form of not caring at all about people outside Korea is up to you.
I don't think you understand just how integrated Korea's services are. If the phone number doesn't belong to a legal citizen, it won't work. This has been the case since SMS verification was introduced to South Korea. Every game, every phone number, nearly every service a Korean citizen signs up for has all of this information documented. If the phone number belongs to a random service and not a person, Fish will reject the number. I know this because Fish is using the same system several other private services use. Fish is a non-profit company.
Went out of their way for foreigners? What are you smoking? I can't make an account unless i have a korean phone number that i can obtain the verification code. If you dont have a korean friend willing to share one of his numbers you are fucked.
This is why I made the edit you people said was useless and that I didn't understand what you're talking about.
You don't need a number for ANYTHING but ladder. Make one account, make ten, make ten thousand, it doesn't fucking matter, but you can only keep up to three accounts in the ladder. Right now it's a disaster and this solves everything.
Would you rather have ID verification? I'm not sure how many Koreans will give you that information lol
Lol. Ladder is the only reason i play fish. I dont care about the other nonsense, seeing as i get banned automatically from most ums or melee games. I play ladder for the quality of players. I don't see how you are saying that we can do everything but ladder should make us feel any better. It is actually quite insulting
On March 30 2016 08:04 RoomOfMush wrote: What the actual f*ck? Who does stuff like this? Is it really the medieval ages still? Do you just have to enter a number or are they actually calling and asking you questions?
It's possible they just want to sell your number to get some extra $$. Given the adware packaged in the installers for Korean launchers, I don't doubt it at all.
If we're very lucky, Blizzard will release a playable version of BW that works on their own servers and you can skip the sketchy malarky.
It would be nice to merge Korea and the rest of the StarCraft community and have some interaction between nations again. But I think the current pool of players has been spoiled by LAN-like latency and may never be able to play SC with the type of lag we used to think was normal / good ten years ago. People who were good at a muta micro online used to just be people who could time their actions to account for the lag. It does make your macro a lot worse when you have to do that though.
I wonder what the number of BW players in Korea vs the number of BW players outside of Korea looks like. A merge may really not be interesting to them, whereas of course for us it would mean a huge increase in competition.
On March 30 2016 21:31 SolaR- wrote: This is an obvious rule to prevent foreigners from playing on ladder. Anyone who disagrees is naive. As a foreigner, i have already faced so much bigotry on fish as well as many of my foreigner friends. So, this doesn't suprise me. I know this doesn't represent all koreans, as i have many korean friends on fish, but this is still very sad and bigoted. I actually feel more anger than sadness. I do not think i will even atempt to play there anymore unless they change this rule. This is coming from someone who has played several hundred fish games in the past few months..
I can't tell if you're serious or not, StarCraft is literally the only top 10 game in Korea that requires absolutely no form of verification whatsoever. Instead of getting an ID service, they went out of their way for foreigners and made an SMS verification system, and even let you tie three accounts to a single number.
On March 30 2016 18:21 gngfn wrote: Twilio (e.g.) supports sending texts to numbers in hundreds of countries. I don't know what service Fish is using for SMS, but there's no technical reason their phone verification has to be limited to Korean numbers. Supporting different number formats doesn't increase implementation complexity either since you're just feeding the number to a library.
Whether you see this as an effort to exclude foreigners from the ladder or just an unusually intense form of not caring at all about people outside Korea is up to you.
I don't think you understand just how integrated Korea's services are. If the phone number doesn't belong to a legal citizen, it won't work. This has been the case since SMS verification was introduced to South Korea. Every game, every phone number, nearly every service a Korean citizen signs up for has all of this information documented. If the phone number belongs to a random service and not a person, Fish will reject the number. I know this because Fish is using the same system several other private services use. Fish is a non-profit company.
Went out of their way for foreigners? What are you smoking? I can't make an account unless i have a korean phone number that i can obtain the verification code. If you dont have a korean friend willing to share one of his numbers you are fucked.
This is why I made the edit you people said was useless and that I didn't understand what you're talking about.
You don't need a number for ANYTHING but ladder. Make one account, make ten, make ten thousand, it doesn't fucking matter, but you can only keep up to three accounts in the ladder. Right now it's a disaster and this solves everything.
Would you rather have ID verification? I'm not sure how many Koreans will give you that information lol
As said before, 99% of foreigners don't give a shit about ANYTHING but the ladder. (as awesome as the fish community might be, we don't speak korean, so we cannot take part except in the ladder)
and for ID verification vs. korean phone number, really doesn't matter to many as neither is an option for them. I even have korean friends were I live, but I am not going to ask them to ask their (extended) family for a confirmation code for a pc game. So unless you have korean friends, living in korea, whom you are comfortable enough with asking for a code for a pc game send to their phone (and giving up their number for it), you are fucked as it stands now.
I am not advertising this service since I only used google to find some site that sold Korean SIM cards. I assume you only activate three accounts and then never pay for the SIM card again.
Ok since whats done is done instead of complaining about it I want to adapt. So.. any awesome korean person in here who would help me overcome this obstacle?
What happened? I was playing on Fish and suddenly disconnected from server. Tried entering with 3 different smurfs and nothing works because I get ????? thing, looks like they deleted account. What the hell. If they really decided to do this by denying access fully - fuck you Fish, kek?
EDIT: Seems server running again but I never witnessed something like that where I can connect but can't pass login screen so thought they nuked me. Also this news is driving me crazy so I don't know what will happen tomorrow T_T
I used to be in n.stOp). I even ran it for a while as Arcneon left me in charge. I was there pretty much on my own for 5 months refusing to leave the clan, but then I eventually leave and a month later Arcneon decides to grace everyone with his precense again and everyone who left came flocking back :x
I used to be in n.stOp). I even ran it for a while as Arcneon left me in charge. I was there pretty much on my own for 5 months refusing to leave the clan, but then I eventually leave and a month later Arcneon decides to grace everyone with his precense again and everyone who left came flocking back :x
On March 31 2016 05:05 outscar wrote: What happened? I was playing on Fish and suddenly disconnected from server. Tried entering with 3 different smurfs and nothing works because I get ????? thing, looks like they deleted account. What the hell. If they really decided to do this by denying access fully - fuck you Fish, kek?
EDIT: Seems server running again but I never witnessed something like that where I can connect but can't pass login screen so thought they nuked me. Also this news is driving me crazy so I don't know what will happen tomorrow T_T
Fish Server refresh from 5:00 AM KST to 5:10 AM KST
On March 31 2016 06:33 Piste wrote: Are there these one time use prepaid sim-cards sold in korea?
For non-Koreans, not that I am aware of.
This doesn't make sense. They don't sell prepaid sim-cards to non-Koreans? Really? That can't be right. I lived in China for five months and everyone used these things. Why would the market shut out non-Koreans on prepaid SIM cards? That's so weird to me...
Unexpected but not surprised. Korean websites had always been one of most brutally difficult places to register for, with their crazy mandatory verification.
On March 31 2016 06:33 Piste wrote: Are there these one time use prepaid sim-cards sold in korea?
For non-Koreans, not that I am aware of.
This doesn't make sense. They don't sell prepaid sim-cards to non-Koreans? Really? That can't be right. I lived in China for five months and everyone used these things. Why would the market shut out non-Koreans on prepaid SIM cards? That's so weird to me...
It's that SIM cards in Korea are tied to citizens and I've never heard of a legitimate outlet to buy SIMs outside of Korea without physically moving there to apply for a cellular company.
BUT, I could be 100% wrong. I am not informed with SIM regulations.
On March 31 2016 09:34 Hesmyrr wrote: Unexpected but not surprised. Korean websites had always been one of most brutally difficult places to register for, with their crazy mandatory verification.
Word, most Koreans hate the ID thing too T_T At least with SMS verification things are easier than that and foreigners can still get in. Albeit hard but I think the foreigners not speaking Korean is something Fish admins don't like. It's a Korean server meant for Korean players, and we need to respect that. Most foreigners that break the rules don't get in trouble because they can't read the rules.
Thats like pretty fascist is you ask me. Why would they not set up a system where foregners can pay a 1 time fee of 10 usd to play? Just ignoring the fact that foreigners slipped into fish and have been playing there for years now is just being ignorant. Like they don' t know what happened yeah.
So is this the end of foreigners playing anywhere but iccup? Or will team liquid make a thread that connects us with kind Koreans that will make us accounts?
This is just openly xenophobic. The argument this is a server for Koreans is goofy. Hitler tried to make a country "just for Germans" and that worked out nicely. I honestly hope someone or teamliquid emails fish and tries to get this fixed for us. So unfair.
On March 31 2016 10:42 pebble444 wrote: Thats like pretty fascist is you ask me. Why would they not set up a system where foregners can pay a 1 time fee of 10 usd to play? Just ignoring the fact that foreigners slipped into fish and have been playing there for years now is just being ignorant. Like they don' t know what happened yeah. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUE0PPQI3is
It's not in their best interest to allow to foreigners to play on Fish to be honest. Lag issues is just one reason. Inability to communicate is a lesser one. An on-average lower skill level is another.
They have absolutely 0 need, benefit, and apparently want, to allow foreigners to play. Hating on them for enforcing the same rules that are applied to most other games in Korea only makes sense because you are in the party that lost out. No one likes to be that guy that didn't get a piece of cake at the company party, and will be quick to cry "injustice." However, there is nothing unjust about it. Complaining is going to achieve exactly nothing.
On March 31 2016 10:49 Bwforverpls wrote: So is this the end of foreigners playing anywhere but iccup? Or will team liquid make a thread that connects us with kind Koreans that will make us accounts?
This is just openly xenophobic. The argument this is a server for Koreans is goofy. Hitler tried to make a country "just for Germans" and that worked out nicely. I honestly hope someone or teamliquid emails fish and tries to get this fixed for us. So unfair.
There is still Melee mode, which on average should satisfy a large portion of foreign players in terms of skill requirement. There is still Garena, Gameranger, Evolve, and other clients that support BW. And, if you know anyone who has a Korean #, you can still ladder.
On March 31 2016 10:49 Bwforverpls wrote: This is just openly xenophobic. The argument this is a server for Koreans is goofy. Hitler tried to make a country "just for Germans" and that worked out nicely. I honestly hope someone or teamliquid emails fish and tries to get this fixed for us. So unfair.
That's a retarded comparison. Koreans are 99.9%, foreigners were unexpected and, for a while, unwelcome. It's a Korean server for Korean players owned by Koreans hosted in Korea entirely in Korean.
There is still Melee mode, which on average should satisfy a large portion of foreign players in terms of skill requirement. There is still Garena, Gameranger, Evolve, and other clients that support BW. And, if you know anyone who has a Korean #, you can still ladder.
with the abolishment of the melee requirements, nobody will take melee seriously anymore, all the smurfs that used to populate melee mode will be gone too. no longer worth it for serious practice
skill level is pretty crap in those other servers too
There is still Melee mode, which on average should satisfy a large portion of foreign players in terms of skill requirement. There is still Garena, Gameranger, Evolve, and other clients that support BW. And, if you know anyone who has a Korean #, you can still ladder.
with the abolishment of the melee requirements, nobody will take melee seriously anymore, all the smurfs that used to populate melee mode will be gone too. no longer worth it for serious practice
"Serious" is subjective. I'm sure Melee Fish will still be comparable to in terms of skill, if not above, and far more populous than C rank ICCup come April. That is already too high for the bottom ~85?% of ICCup.
EDIT: Skill level being crap on those other servers is true. GameRanger and Garena have resident ~5-10 players that are B and up (ICCup), mostly Fish rejects and people looking to boost confidence. However, if you're just looking for casual or low-level play, then those are also alternatives that were not mentioned by the poster I was responding to. I just wanted to put all the options out there.
i didn't say anything about popularity, my point is skill level.
at least there used to be an incentive to play melee (to farm wins) and also you get the chance to practice seriously against the smurfs, but now zilch, nada. it will just used as a fun outlet to test builds or for very weak players to gain confidence, nothing more. it will be worst than f- in fish
On March 31 2016 11:12 Probemicro wrote: i didn't say anything about popularity, my point is skill level.
at least there used to be an incentive to play melee (to farm wins) and also you get the chance to practice seriously against the smurfs, but now zilch, nada. it will just used as a fun outlet to test builds or for very weak players to gain confidence, nothing more. it will be worst than f- in fish
I doubt average skill level will be below C ICCup, which means it is decent practice for anyone above or at that level, satisfying the same position it held before, no?
The loss of Ladder for many upper-level foreigners will be felt, but perhaps this will help centralize foreign interests on ICCup, or something -_-; We should see more Koreans on ICCup as a result of this measure as well, I think.
iccup is LADDER, ranks to be had, people will take it seriously
melee used to be taken seriously because of 30 wins requirement, now thats gone, who plays 1v1 will now take that seriously? people will do whatever they want like leaving early or giving up at first hint of trouble since its normal stats and not ladder stats, you get my point?
3 accounts per phone is still pretty sizable allowance (not to mention people can also use their relative/friends phones who don't play BW). there will be an influx of koreans to other servers but it won't be that big tbh
On March 30 2016 12:03 amazingxkcd wrote: don't blame them for doing this. if this is SOP for their online games and is part of their culture, then why should they accommodate for foreigners? People will figure out how to spoof korean phone numbers regardless
I really like this comment. I think this thread should be closed soon. Either ask the fish admins politely about non-kr users playing ladder to find an another way to solve, or kr friends to help your situation. keep complaining and talking trash will never go anywhere.
On March 31 2016 11:20 Probemicro wrote: iccup is LADDER, ranks to be had, people will take it seriously
melee used to be taken seriously because of 30 wins requirement, now thats gone, who plays 1v1 will now take that seriously? people will do whatever they want like leaving early or giving up at first hint of trouble since its normal stats and not ladder stats, you get my point?
3 accounts per phone is still pretty sizable allowance (not to mention people can also use their relative/friends phones who don't play BW). there will be an influx of koreans to other servers but it won't be that big tbh
True. Can't argue that.
Actual opponent on the other end is actually a competent player more often than on ICCup though. On ICCup you have people at C rank who got there by only going 2 Fact Port vs P (or insert your favorite cheese/all-in for noobs here) and don't know anything else. I feel like I'd prefer to play good Terrans on Fish melee that leave at the first sign of trouble/are trying new builds than players who know jack squat about the late game and just all-in every game, for example. I know this is anecdotal, so let me put in differently: I feel like melee Fish will have better players at a higher quantity than comparable populations ICCup ranks for everyone except ICCup A rank foreigners. For them, it probably sucks the hardest.
On March 30 2016 12:03 amazingxkcd wrote: don't blame them for doing this. if this is SOP for their online games and is part of their culture, then why should they accommodate for foreigners? People will figure out how to spoof korean phone numbers regardless
I really like this comment. I think this thread should be closed soon. Either ask the fish admins politely about non-kr users playing ladder to find an another way to solve, or kr friends to help your situation. keep complaining and talking trash will never go anywhere.
I somehow overlooked this post, it says what I wanted to say better than I did on the previous page.
1. Foreigners will just ask Korean friends to activate their accounts or 2. Foreigners will leave Fish and join iCCup, guaranteed to bring great players back to the ladder and make it more competitive
I love the koreaboos who come jumping to fish's defense. I love how you're defending the ability for any race besides Koreans to play. Pretty cool. And If you think this isn't rooted in racism and xenophobia you are wildly ignorant of Korean culture as whole which is ironic because you are defending the decision. Really cute keep it classy dude
I'm talking to a korean friend on Fish right now. He said he'll let me use his number, but he is saying that this verification is only to obtain 'special benefits.' E.g. If you go on massive loss streak, you won't lose extra points and things like this.
He said we can all still ladder without the identification. Obviously I can't read korean but I do trust his word. Is there some disconnect between what's being said in this thread versus what he is saying?
EDIT: He's saying it's just for if you want to create a new account, you can bypass the 30wins/48 hours. As was said in this thread in a previous post. But it doesn't impinge your right to play, you can just get the 30wins/48hours manually as we do now and still continue to ladder. It's just a step to help most players (koreans) bypass the ridiculous rules to set up a ladder account.
On March 31 2016 12:00 ProtossGG wrote: I'm talking to a korean friend on Fish right now. He said he'll let me use his number, but he is saying that this verification is only to obtain 'special benefits.' E.g. If you go on massive loss streak, you won't lose extra points and things like this.
He said we can all still ladder without the identification. Obviously I can't read korean but I do trust his word. Is there some disconnect between what's being said in this thread versus what he is saying?
Nothing ever mentioned that, either the admins changed something and told him or he's lying. Hearing it from admins isn't unrealistic, we have an admin that hangs in our channel quite often and we're a clan with no achievements whatsoever.
On March 31 2016 11:55 Bwforverpls wrote: I love the koreaboos who come jumping to fish's defense. I love how you're defending the ability for any race besides Koreans to play. Pretty cool. And If you think this isn't rooted in racism and xenophobia you are wildly ignorant of Korean culture as whole which is ironic because you are defending the decision. Really cute keep it classy dude
Can somebody check if this is mca64? This account was created today and it has two posts, both of which dissing Korea.
On March 31 2016 12:00 ProtossGG wrote: I'm talking to a korean friend on Fish right now. He said he'll let me use his number, but he is saying that this verification is only to obtain 'special benefits.' E.g. If you go on massive loss streak, you won't lose extra points and things like this.
He said we can all still ladder without the identification. Obviously I can't read korean but I do trust his word. Is there some disconnect between what's being said in this thread versus what he is saying?
Nothing ever mentioned that, either the admins changed something and told him or he's lying. Hearing it from admins isn't unrealistic, we have an admin that hangs in our channel quite often and we're a clan with no achievements whatsoever.
Why would he lie though? I doubt lying. If he's wrong it would instead be that's misunderstood it himself lol.
On March 31 2016 12:00 ProtossGG wrote: I'm talking to a korean friend on Fish right now. He said he'll let me use his number, but he is saying that this verification is only to obtain 'special benefits.' E.g. If you go on massive loss streak, you won't lose extra points and things like this.
He said we can all still ladder without the identification. Obviously I can't read korean but I do trust his word. Is there some disconnect between what's being said in this thread versus what he is saying?
EDIT: He's saying it's just for if you want to create a new account, you can bypass the 30wins/48 hours. As was said in this thread in a previous post. But it doesn't impinge your right to play, you can just get the 30wins/48hours manually as we do now and still continue to ladder. It's just a step to help most players (koreans) bypass the ridiculous rules to set up a ladder account.
interesting. someone is not telling the whole story here. btw i don't trust the OP fully either, hes a BW newbie and not an official authority of fish, even though he behaves like one.
On March 31 2016 12:00 ProtossGG wrote: I'm talking to a korean friend on Fish right now. He said he'll let me use his number, but he is saying that this verification is only to obtain 'special benefits.' E.g. If you go on massive loss streak, you won't lose extra points and things like this.
He said we can all still ladder without the identification. Obviously I can't read korean but I do trust his word. Is there some disconnect between what's being said in this thread versus what he is saying?
EDIT: He's saying it's just for if you want to create a new account, you can bypass the 30wins/48 hours. As was said in this thread in a previous post. But it doesn't impinge your right to play, you can just get the 30wins/48hours manually as we do now and still continue to ladder. It's just a step to help most players (koreans) bypass the ridiculous rules to set up a ladder account.
interesting. someone is not telling the whole story here. btw i don't trust the OP fully either, hes a BW newbie and not the authority of fish
Agree. I trust my Korean friends on Fish. I'm going with my original statement.
EDIT: And if we're wrong, I guess it is what it is. I have a korean number I can use regardless lol. But let's just hope for the best, I don't know why I'd be misled unless my friend is a complete fool.
On March 31 2016 12:00 ProtossGG wrote: I'm talking to a korean friend on Fish right now. He said he'll let me use his number, but he is saying that this verification is only to obtain 'special benefits.' E.g. If you go on massive loss streak, you won't lose extra points and things like this.
He said we can all still ladder without the identification. Obviously I can't read korean but I do trust his word. Is there some disconnect between what's being said in this thread versus what he is saying?
EDIT: He's saying it's just for if you want to create a new account, you can bypass the 30wins/48 hours. As was said in this thread in a previous post. But it doesn't impinge your right to play, you can just get the 30wins/48hours manually as we do now and still continue to ladder. It's just a step to help most players (koreans) bypass the ridiculous rules to set up a ladder account.
interesting. someone is not telling the whole story here. btw i don't trust the OP fully either, hes a BW newbie and not an official authority of fish, even though he behaves like one.
edit: is that it? good i guess :D
OP is right lol. I'm korean confirming the truth of OP's words.
They've abolished 30win/50hr policy and replaced it with phone verification method.
On March 31 2016 11:55 Bwforverpls wrote: I love the koreaboos who come jumping to fish's defense. I love how you're defending the ability for any race besides Koreans to play. Pretty cool. And If you think this isn't rooted in racism and xenophobia you are wildly ignorant of Korean culture as whole which is ironic because you are defending the decision. Really cute keep it classy dude
lol. owned by koreans, played predominantly by koreans, located in korea, uses korean language, wants to adopt a very common identification system that can be seen on practically every single website in korea that requires registration, yet somehow this is racist. stop being so self entitled and grow the fuck up
Starting April 1st, 2016, we will be implementing a ID verification system through a mobile device.
This ID confirmation system is designed to provide some more ways to enjoy [the server] and through this system we hope to remove a lot of the annoyances that currently exist.
If you do not verify your ID, you will still be able to use the server as is, with no changes.
The steps to the ID verification are as below:
1. When you login to the home page, register your phone. Or register your mobile phone in your profile pag at the channel system page (http://clan.fishbattle.net) 2. Confirm with an SNS sent to your mobile device to verify your ID. * You can create up to 3 ID's per day * We are planning on allowing users to deregister [their mobile device] in the future.
The benefits of verifying your ID are as follows:
1. Ladder Games - Verified ID's do not need 30 wins / 50 hours to play in ladder games.
2. Point System - Verified ID's can send and receive point gifts. - During the point gift's duration, the current 20% commission charge is reduced by 0.5%
Thank you for using Fish Server!
We hope that you will enjoy the server and the systems that will be implemented!
1. 홈페이지 로그인 시 핸드폰 번호 등록 또는 개인정보 수정 페이지에서 핸드폰 번호 등록 1. 채널관리 시스템 (http://clan.fishbattle.net/) 에서 핸드폰 번호 등록 2. SMS를 통해 인증번호 수신후 아이디 인증 완료 ※ 동일 핸드폰 번호로 최대 3개의 아이디 인증 가능 ※ 등록 해제 기능은 추후 구현 예정
아이디 인증 후 이용가능한 항목은 다음과 같습니다.
1. 래더 게임 - 기존 30승/50시간 제한을 폐지하고 인증된 아이디에 한해 래더 게임이 가능합니다.
2. 포인트 시스템 - 인증된 아이디에 한해 포인트 선물하기/선물받기 기능 허용 - 포인트 선물 시 기존 20%의 수수료를 0.5%로 하향 조정
nothing new to translate. protossgg's friend isnt wrong, the notice does say "special benefits". the friend just overlooked the fact that ladder gaming is included as one of the benefits basically everything in op is correct. theres some other stuff regarding points systems but i dont think anyone really cares about that so...
On March 31 2016 14:01 evilfatsh1t wrote: nothing new to translate. protossgg's friend isnt wrong, the notice does say "special benefits". the friend just overlooked the fact that ladder gaming is included as one of the benefits basically everything in op is correct. theres some other stuff regarding points systems but i dont think anyone really cares about that so...
The copy just posted to the end of Page 4 was ninja edited on the Fish forums, so I am not sure wtf is going on. I'd get in contact with an admin but at this point it's easier to just wait
On March 31 2016 11:55 Bwforverpls wrote: I love the koreaboos who come jumping to fish's defense. I love how you're defending the ability for any race besides Koreans to play. Pretty cool. And If you think this isn't rooted in racism and xenophobia you are wildly ignorant of Korean culture as whole which is ironic because you are defending the decision. Really cute keep it classy dude
Can somebody check if this is mca64? This account was created today and it has two posts, both of which dissing Korea.
If mca could write this well this whole time I'd consider him the greatest troll of all time.
On March 31 2016 14:20 Probemicro wrote: "The benefits of verifying your ID are as follows:
1. Ladder Games - Verified ID's do not need 30 wins / 50 hours to play in ladder games."
so..protossgg is correct? if you do not verify, you can just do the usual 30/50 to play ladder.
No. If the account is not verified, you cannot play ladder games on that account. Even if you have 3000++ wins and 5000 ++ hours, no, you won't be able to play.
on page 4, #80, there's some sentences are not translated correctly. 3 accounts can be verified with ONLY 1 phone number. Not per day.
"아이디 인증 후 이용가능한 항목은 다음과 같습니다." Translation: After the verifying the account, you can see what you can do in the next list.
1. Ladder Game - We will remove the previous ladder requirement of 30 wins and 50 hours online, and we will able the accounts to play ladder games that are verified only.
The way this thread reads is hilarious. I feel like this post somehow brought the karmic scale back over the edge:
On March 31 2016 15:41 GeckoXp wrote: Winterbot very strong translator, 27kg, very impressive. If he only could get a special icon for his great topics of high value.
Could a mod add this new info to the OP? there's nothing worse for a scene or a server to have info like this floating around.
Like, now that everyone is happy, you go out of your way to make a kid feel bad about crying wolf when he really saw a fox, therefore Scan had to descend from the heavens to drop unholy wrath upon all of us.
On March 31 2016 14:20 Probemicro wrote: "The benefits of verifying your ID are as follows:
1. Ladder Games - Verified ID's do not need 30 wins / 50 hours to play in ladder games."
so..protossgg is correct? if you do not verify, you can just do the usual 30/50 to play ladder.
No. If the account is not verified, you cannot play ladder games on that account. Even if you have 3000++ wins and 5000 ++ hours, no, you won't be able to play.
on page 4, #80, there's some sentences are not translated correctly. 3 accounts can be verified with ONLY 1 phone number. Not per day.
Even if you have 3000++ wins and 5000 ++ hours, no, you won't be able to play.
On March 31 2016 15:41 GeckoXp wrote: Winterbot very strong translator, 27kg, very impressive. If he only could get a special icon for his great topics of high value.
Could a mod add this new info to the OP? there's nothing worse for a scene or a server to have info like this floating around.
Like, now that everyone is happy, you go out of your way to make a kid feel bad about crying wolf when he really saw a fox, therefore Scan had to descend from the heavens to drop unholy wrath upon all of us. And it's all your fault.
I just like how a few minutes after that guy trash talked me and my posts Scan proved every single one of us wrong.
Who said that? Why message sender is covered? There is something suspicious... I am still curious how they will stop Last. :D Till next 2-3 Ladder restarts they will understand that this is not working... There will be still tons of smurfs in Ladder...
On March 31 2016 15:41 GeckoXp wrote: Winterbot very strong translator, 27kg, very impressive. If he only could get a special icon for his great topics of high value.
Could a mod add this new info to the OP? there's nothing worse for a scene or a server to have info like this floating around.
Like, now that everyone is happy, you go out of your way to make a kid feel bad about crying wolf when he really saw a fox, therefore Scan had to descend from the heavens to drop unholy wrath upon all of us.
On March 31 2016 14:20 Probemicro wrote: "The benefits of verifying your ID are as follows:
1. Ladder Games - Verified ID's do not need 30 wins / 50 hours to play in ladder games."
so..protossgg is correct? if you do not verify, you can just do the usual 30/50 to play ladder.
No. If the account is not verified, you cannot play ladder games on that account. Even if you have 3000++ wins and 5000 ++ hours, no, you won't be able to play.
on page 4, #80, there's some sentences are not translated correctly. 3 accounts can be verified with ONLY 1 phone number. Not per day.
Who said that? Why message sender is covered? There is something suspicious... I am still curious how they will stop Last. :D Till next 2-3 Ladder restarts they will understand that this is not working... There will be still tons of smurfs in Ladder...
Because he's a known name and I don't want him bombarded with messages.
On March 31 2016 16:11 Jealous wrote: Oh shit. Get the furnaces started back up again?!
The way this thread reads is hilarious. I feel like this post somehow brought the karmic scale back over the edge:
On March 31 2016 15:41 GeckoXp wrote: Winterbot very strong translator, 27kg, very impressive. If he only could get a special icon for his great topics of high value.
Could a mod add this new info to the OP? there's nothing worse for a scene or a server to have info like this floating around.
Like, now that everyone is happy, you go out of your way to make a kid feel bad about crying wolf when he really saw a fox, therefore Scan had to descend from the heavens to drop unholy wrath upon all of us.
On March 31 2016 15:59 LaStScan wrote:
On March 31 2016 14:20 Probemicro wrote: "The benefits of verifying your ID are as follows:
1. Ladder Games - Verified ID's do not need 30 wins / 50 hours to play in ladder games."
so..protossgg is correct? if you do not verify, you can just do the usual 30/50 to play ladder.
No. If the account is not verified, you cannot play ladder games on that account. Even if you have 3000++ wins and 5000 ++ hours, no, you won't be able to play.
on page 4, #80, there's some sentences are not translated correctly. 3 accounts can be verified with ONLY 1 phone number. Not per day.
Even if you have 3000++ wins and 5000 ++ hours, no, you won't be able to play.
^ Like this.
And it's all your fault, Gecko.
Fish down, Garena next up. I will singlehandedly destroy BW. Watch me.
With this amount of "Garena" in this thread i'm surprised to not see a wity comment from nina lol.
On March 31 2016 16:11 Jealous wrote: Oh shit. Get the furnaces started back up again?!
The way this thread reads is hilarious. I feel like this post somehow brought the karmic scale back over the edge:
On March 31 2016 15:41 GeckoXp wrote: Winterbot very strong translator, 27kg, very impressive. If he only could get a special icon for his great topics of high value.
Could a mod add this new info to the OP? there's nothing worse for a scene or a server to have info like this floating around.
Like, now that everyone is happy, you go out of your way to make a kid feel bad about crying wolf when he really saw a fox, therefore Scan had to descend from the heavens to drop unholy wrath upon all of us.
On March 31 2016 15:59 LaStScan wrote:
On March 31 2016 14:20 Probemicro wrote: "The benefits of verifying your ID are as follows:
1. Ladder Games - Verified ID's do not need 30 wins / 50 hours to play in ladder games."
so..protossgg is correct? if you do not verify, you can just do the usual 30/50 to play ladder.
No. If the account is not verified, you cannot play ladder games on that account. Even if you have 3000++ wins and 5000 ++ hours, no, you won't be able to play.
on page 4, #80, there's some sentences are not translated correctly. 3 accounts can be verified with ONLY 1 phone number. Not per day.
Even if you have 3000++ wins and 5000 ++ hours, no, you won't be able to play.
^ Like this.
And it's all your fault, Gecko.
Fish down, Garena next up. I will singlehandedly destroy BW. Watch me.
With this amount of "Garena" in this thread i'm surprised to not see a wity comment from nina lol.
I don't think she has posted for a while now, can't recall seeing anything within the last month or so.
At this rate, we rather let the server start this new season (isn't it already Apr 1 over there? the server did just do it's daily reset). The accounts aren't reset yet.
Wow this is so shitty. Like fuck the fish server, we need to get people back to iCCup. Koreans are discriminating exclusively to non-koreans right now. This is bullshit.
On April 01 2016 06:47 BingbingBOPOMOFO wrote: Wow this is so shitty. Like fuck the fish server, we need to get people back to iCCup. Koreans are discriminating exclusively to non-koreans right now. This is bullshit.
No, we are not. There's bunch of verification for Koreans to do for any websites anyways.. They only adopted one simple method to do the verification.
You can always have a chance to talk to the admins. Instead of raging shit out of at Koreans, maybe try to respect their decision and our(Korean) culture.
"When in Rome, do as Romans do." "Quand on est à Rome,on fait comme les Romains"
On April 01 2016 06:47 BingbingBOPOMOFO wrote: Wow this is so shitty. Like fuck the fish server, we need to get people back to iCCup. Koreans are discriminating exclusively to non-koreans right now. This is bullshit.
No, we are not. There's bunch of verification for Koreans to do for any websites anyways.. They only adopted one simple method to do the verification.
You can always have a chance to talk to the admins. Instead of raging shit out of at Koreans, maybe try to respect their decision and our(Korean) culture.
"When in Rome, do as Romans do." "Quand on est à Rome,on fait comme les Romains"
On March 31 2016 14:59 GoShox wrote: This is ridiculous, now we have nothing to be upset about.
hahaha I'm fine with making ICCup alive again, we need it anyways
I hardly play anymore but back when I played a lot, iCCup was where a lot of the Koreans were, even the pro gamers. Fish of course existed but you could get on iCCup at Korean hours and find games immediately against really good players. Sad that that's changed
On April 01 2016 06:47 BingbingBOPOMOFO wrote: Wow this is so shitty. Like fuck the fish server, we need to get people back to iCCup. Koreans are discriminating exclusively to non-koreans right now. This is bullshit.
No, we are not. There's bunch of verification for Koreans to do for any websites anyways.. They only adopted one simple method to do the verification.
You can always have a chance to talk to the admins. Instead of raging shit out of at Koreans, maybe try to respect their decision and our(Korean) culture.
"When in Rome, do as Romans do." "Quand on est à Rome,on fait comme les Romains"
On April 01 2016 06:47 BingbingBOPOMOFO wrote: Wow this is so shitty. Like fuck the fish server, we need to get people back to iCCup. Koreans are discriminating exclusively to non-koreans right now. This is bullshit.
No, we are not. There's bunch of verification for Koreans to do for any websites anyways.. They only adopted one simple method to do the verification.
You can always have a chance to talk to the admins. Instead of raging shit out of at Koreans, maybe try to respect their decision and our(Korean) culture.
"When in Rome, do as Romans do." "Quand on est à Rome,on fait comme les Romains"
Sorry I don't respect xenophobic Korean culture.
"Xenophobia"
It's a fucking Korean server. There was never any intention to attract foreigners.
On April 01 2016 06:47 BingbingBOPOMOFO wrote: Wow this is so shitty. Like fuck the fish server, we need to get people back to iCCup. Koreans are discriminating exclusively to non-koreans right now. This is bullshit.
No, we are not. There's bunch of verification for Koreans to do for any websites anyways.. They only adopted one simple method to do the verification.
You can always have a chance to talk to the admins. Instead of raging shit out of at Koreans, maybe try to respect their decision and our(Korean) culture.
"When in Rome, do as Romans do." "Quand on est à Rome,on fait comme les Romains"
Sorry I don't respect xenophobic Korean culture.
"Xenophobia"
It's a fucking Korean server. There was never any intention to attract foreigners.
Its so cute to watch the koreaboos defend blatant xenophobia. I've been playing on fish for years and besides a few enlightened intelligent Koreans ive experienced nothing but racism and xenophobia from Koreans. Please stop denying Korean xenophobia because anyone who has been in the broodwar scene for years will not deny how bad it is. I have screenshot after screenshot of Koreans calling me a white dog. Thank God I have Korean friends who will let me use their phone number so I can continue practicing with my nice Korean friends on fish. Anyways stop replying to me you're clearly a racist korean or a koreaboo in full defense mode. Please turn off your k pop playlist and come back to reality.
On April 01 2016 06:47 BingbingBOPOMOFO wrote: Wow this is so shitty. Like fuck the fish server, we need to get people back to iCCup. Koreans are discriminating exclusively to non-koreans right now. This is bullshit.
No, we are not. There's bunch of verification for Koreans to do for any websites anyways.. They only adopted one simple method to do the verification.
You can always have a chance to talk to the admins. Instead of raging shit out of at Koreans, maybe try to respect their decision and our(Korean) culture.
"When in Rome, do as Romans do." "Quand on est à Rome,on fait comme les Romains"
Sorry I don't respect xenophobic Korean culture.
"Xenophobia"
It's a fucking Korean server. There was never any intention to attract foreigners.
Its so cute to watch the koreaboos defend blatant xenophobia. I've been playing on fish for years and besides a few enlightened intelligent Koreans ive experienced nothing but racism and xenophobia from Koreans. Please stop denying Korean xenophobia because anyone who has been in the broodwar scene for years will not deny how bad it is. I have screenshot after screenshot of Koreans calling me a white dog. Thank God I have Korean friends who will let me use their phone number so I can continue practicing with my nice Korean friends on fish. Anyways stop replying to me you're clearly a racist korean or a koreaboo in full defense mode. Please turn off your k pop playlist and come back to reality.
First of all I don't even know who MCA is and banning me and giving the ban message "inconsiderate newb or a previously banned user" is cowardly. That was my first tl account ever and banning me without any warning is super messed up. Who do I message to get that account restored? Ive been lurking TL probably longer than the butthurt mod who banned me. I make an account to air my grievances after lurking TL for 7 years and this is what happens? Alright guys enjoy your circlejerk. Fucking cucks
P.s whoever this MCA is I want to applaud him for rustling your jimmies so rank that you assume everyone who doesn't agree with you is him. Bravo. Enjoy your even now deader and fragmented community/game.
On April 01 2016 10:40 Bwforever2 wrote: First of all I don't even know who MCA is and banning me and giving the ban message "inconsiderate newb or a previously banned user" is cowardly. That was my first tl account ever and banning me without any warning is super messed up. Who do I message to get that account restored? Ive been lurking TL probably longer than the butthurt mod who banned me. I make an account to air my grievances after lurking TL for 7 years and this is what happens? Alright guys enjoy your circlejerk. Fucking cucks
P.s whoever this MCA is I want to applaud him for rustling your jimmies so rank that you assume everyone who doesn't agree with you is him. Bravo. Enjoy your even now deader and fragmented community/game.
You need a chill pill ._.
edit: oh and TL can see if you've actually been lurking for 7 years
On April 01 2016 10:40 Bwforever2 wrote: First of all I don't even know who MCA is and banning me and giving the ban message "inconsiderate newb or a previously banned user" is cowardly. That was my first tl account ever and banning me without any warning is super messed up. Who do I message to get that account restored? Ive been lurking TL probably longer than the butthurt mod who banned me. I make an account to air my grievances after lurking TL for 7 years and this is what happens? Alright guys enjoy your circlejerk. Fucking cucks
P.s whoever this MCA is I want to applaud him for rustling your jimmies so rank that you assume everyone who doesn't agree with you is him. Bravo. Enjoy your even now deader and fragmented community/game.
They don't need to give you a warning given your behavior and the amount of time you've spent registered to the site. If the majority of your <5 posts in <1 day are straight up aggressive, entitled, and whiny, then why keep you around?
Let's say I come to your house, kick my shoes off, accuse your friends of being xenophobia sympathizers, use foul language, and refuse to listen to reason. How long would I last before you show me the door? And, let's say that once you kicked me out, I came in through the back door and started being even more belligerent and talking shit about you for telling me off and removing me from your house, while claiming some sort of priority in your own house because I used to drive by it on my way to work for the past 7 years and you only moved in 5 years ago. What would you do?
On April 01 2016 11:28 SolaR- wrote: pretty much most of what he is saying is right though. Just saying lol.
The fact that Korean culture has elements of xenophobia is entirely true. However, this is also entirely true of many other nations.
The fact that a Korean server enforces contemporary identification techniques that are (apparently) ubiquitous in their society and that this negatively affects a tiny minority population of its user base is not reflective of their xenophobia, or at least not solely so. It's a method for them to solve multiple problems in one fell swoop. Is it bad for foreigners? Yes. Was it done solely to spite foreigners? No. Will throwing a tantrum solve anything? No.
Everything else he said falls under the following categories: 1. Whining, 2. Insulting, 3. Willfully ignoring evidence contrary to his position, 4. Aggressively judgmental statements, 5. Generally shitty posting.
Can't say that "most of what he is saying is right though."
At the end of the day, it's not their obligation to cater to the .1% of its playerbase that contributes absolutely nothing to the server and carries within it cancer like Bwforeverpls. It's much smarter to keep the 99.9% of their playerbase happy. It's logical, really. I don't see how people don't see that.
On April 01 2016 11:34 Jealous wrote: At the end of the day, it's not their obligation to cater to the .1% of its playerbase that contributes absolutely nothing to the server and carries within it cancer like Bwforeverpls. It's much smarter to keep the 99.9% of their playerbase happy. It's logical, really. I don't see how people don't see that.
99% of fish playerbase do not play 1v1 ladder.
and tbh if not the new entitled chobos entering the server in recent times whining about smurfs (like OP, ironically) this phone policy might not even be implemented.
On April 01 2016 11:28 SolaR- wrote: pretty much most of what he is saying is right though. Just saying lol.
The fact that Korean culture has elements of xenophobia is entirely true. However, this is also entirely true of many other nations.
The fact that a Korean server enforces contemporary identification techniques that are (apparently) ubiquitous in their society and that this negatively affects a tiny minority population of its user base is not reflective of their xenophobia, or at least not solely so. It's a method for them to solve multiple problems in one fell swoop. Is it bad for foreigners? Yes. Was it done solely to spite foreigners? No. Will throwing a tantrum solve anything? No.
Everything else he said falls under the following categories: 1. Whining, 2. Insulting, 3. Willfully ignoring evidence contrary to his position, 4. Aggressively judgmental statements, 5. Generally shitty posting.
Can't say that "most of what he is saying is right though."
At the end of the day, it's not their obligation to cater to the .1% of its playerbase that contributes absolutely nothing to the server and carries within it cancer like Bwforeverpls. It's much smarter to keep the 99.9% of their playerbase happy. It's logical, really. I don't see how people don't see that.
Basically anything that disagrees with your OPINION is ignoring evidence or shitty posting. Right. I'm not saying ALL Koreans are xenophobic or that no other culture can be. However, there is certainly a large base of Korean players on fish that treat foreigners with disdain and hatred. Very extreme bad manner to the point of aggressive harassment. I have never experienced this level of hatred among any other server or any group of people from other countries in starcraft. I feel like many Koreans have good intentions and don't seem them selves that way and they are unwilling to acknowledge their fellow countrymen that have those animosities. It is just not a small amount of Koreans either, its a large base of Koreans. So through my experience on fish, I would say that I'm not surprised that this ban was created, and it wouldn't surprise me that one of the reasons they created this rule was to reduce the amount of foreigners. Was it the sole reason? probably not, but I do believe it is a significant reason.
I have played thousands of ladder games on fish over the years to experience this insane level of bigotry and harassment. I'm unsure of your level of fish experience.
I am noticing a continuing trend on TL where the mainline opinion asserts aggressive dominance over anyone disagreeing with them to completely shutdown them down as illogical, ignorant or in your case "shitty posing" To be honest nothing has wowed me from your post, and there is also no evidence in your posting. It's filled with opinion just as everyone else who has been posting on this topic.
tbh I haven't met a single Korean on Fish that didn't like foreigners. They're cherished on Fish because there are so few of them and they typically show lots of respect towards the Korean server and culture.
On April 01 2016 12:00 WinterViewbot420 wrote: tbh I haven't met a single Korean on Fish that didn't like foreigners. They're cherished on Fish because there are so few of them and they typically show lots of respect towards the Korean server and culture.
Yeah well when they ask me where i am from and I say USA. They then go on to say FUCK YOU and harass me. Then they tell me to get out. This is a common occurance
"When in Rome, do as Romans do." "Quand on est à Rome,on fait comme les Romains"
First of all, that is French. why? why not italian or at least latin? since we are in Rome, speak Italian, get an italian phone number or get an Italian friend and ask him to use his phone number.
Now on the other hand, Rome is one of the most etnically diverse cities on the planet. People from all around the world live and visit it. And this is true now, and was true when it was the capital of the Roman empire or the republic. in that case the "world that visited and lived here" was europeans, africans, and people from the middle east, simply due to transportation limitations of the old world. Yes its mostly Italians. Doesn' t mean other people did and do not live there too.
Now if you want to come to Rome for a visit or for living, we will not allow this unless you have an italian phone number for verification. We are not making any official statement as to why you have been there before and enjoyed it, and respected it, and cannot any more. In fact, we are not considering you at all as a foreigner. You never existed in our minds, so even if you where there and it was not entirely legit that you could be there, we never acknowelged the fact that you where there in the first place. And now Basically we are making it impossible for you to come to Rome at all any more. We allready have all the tourists, students, and workers we need from the rest of italy and other nearby countries, like France and spain. If you are an art student, and want to study first hand and confront yourself with the best, you can watch the colosseum, the sistine chapel and other such things on streaming. If you want to live or visit, well, you have your own cities or art; If you really want too, get an italian phone number for verification.
How would this be fair to you Scan or any other foreigner?
Mother mary in the sculpture represents Fish admins, and Christ represents us foreigners:
This is a big blow to the starcraft community at large, Fish admins should understand that, it IS their servers and it IS their rules, and it IS also their responsibility to the game at large, the players at large, not only Koreans. Korea is the #1 place for starcraft as far as results. This involves a moral responsibility to the rest. Which they choose to ignore. Wheter they like it or not, they are not acting responsably, they are not taking at interest the whole community of starcraft. Why should they care anyway? they have their own servers, their own leagues, their own everything. Still, good example they are giving; What they are asking is for people to lend phone numbers, for those that do not have, which from what i read from this thread is not allowed. They should either: 1 Officially ban non Koreans (or non whatever they want) with a statement. (which i would not agree on) or 2 Allow for ANY phone number world wide to play without limitations. Or find a solution to allow foreign people to play without limitations like the rest. Individual people are allowed to play games with whom they want, so if Koreans don' t want to play with people who don' t speak korean thats fine. it happens anyway when looking for games. restricting people' s ability to play based on what they are doing is just wrong.
This middle ground and non clarity, this stickyness is making people angry, rightfully so
On April 01 2016 11:28 SolaR- wrote: pretty much most of what he is saying is right though. Just saying lol.
The fact that Korean culture has elements of xenophobia is entirely true. However, this is also entirely true of many other nations.
The fact that a Korean server enforces contemporary identification techniques that are (apparently) ubiquitous in their society and that this negatively affects a tiny minority population of its user base is not reflective of their xenophobia, or at least not solely so. It's a method for them to solve multiple problems in one fell swoop. Is it bad for foreigners? Yes. Was it done solely to spite foreigners? No. Will throwing a tantrum solve anything? No.
Everything else he said falls under the following categories: 1. Whining, 2. Insulting, 3. Willfully ignoring evidence contrary to his position, 4. Aggressively judgmental statements, 5. Generally shitty posting.
Can't say that "most of what he is saying is right though."
At the end of the day, it's not their obligation to cater to the .1% of its playerbase that contributes absolutely nothing to the server and carries within it cancer like Bwforeverpls. It's much smarter to keep the 99.9% of their playerbase happy. It's logical, really. I don't see how people don't see that.
Basically anything that disagrees with your OPINION is ignoring evidence or shitty posting. Right. I'm not saying ALL Koreans are xenophobic or that no other culture can be. However, there is certainly a large base of Korean players on fish that treat foreigners with disdain and hatred. Very extreme bad manner to the point of aggressive harassment. I have never experienced this level of hatred among any other server or any group of people from other countries in starcraft. I feel like many Koreans have good intentions and don't seem them selves that way and they are unwilling to acknowledge their fellow countrymen that have those animosities. It is just not a small amount of Koreans either, its a large base of Koreans. So through my experience on fish, I would say that I'm not surprised that this ban was created, and it wouldn't surprise me that one of the reasons they created this rule was to reduce the amount of foreigners. Was it the sole reason? probably not, but I do believe it is a significant reason.
I have played thousands of ladder games on fish over the years to experience this insane level of bigotry and harassment. I'm unsure of your level of fish experience.
I am noticing a continuing trend on TL where the mainline opinion asserts aggressive dominance over anyone disagreeing with them to completely shutdown them down as illogical, ignorant or in your case "shitty posing" To be honest nothing has wowed me from your post, and there is also no evidence in your posting. It's filled with opinion just as everyone else who has been posting on this topic.
I've only stated things that are true; the only potential "opinion" piece is my description of his posts and my opinion that whining won't do anything. Let's look closer:
The fact that Korean culture has elements of xenophobia is entirely true. However, this is also entirely true of many other nations.
Fact.
The fact that a Korean server enforces contemporary identification techniques that are (apparently) ubiquitous in their society and that this negatively affects a tiny minority population of its user base is not reflective of their xenophobia, or at least not solely so. It's a method for them to solve multiple problems in one fell swoop.
Fact.note the qualifier at the end of the first sentence
It's a method for them to solve multiple problems in one fell swoop. Is it bad for foreigners? Yes. Was it done solely to spite foreigners? No.
Fact.EDIT: should have specified that it is bad for foreigners who want to play ladder on Fish, it might actually be better for foreigners on ICCup in some ways down the line, so we can say I was being vague here and therefore could be seen as a hasty generalization
Will throwing a tantrum solve anything? No.
Opinion.
At the end of the day, it's not their obligation to cater to the .1% of its playerbase that contributes absolutely nothing to the server and carries within it cancer like Bwforeverpls.
Fact.the number is not a true statistic, but I expect I can get away with a little leeway here
It's much smarter to keep the 99.9% of their playerbase happy. It's logical, really. I don't see how people don't see that.
Logical conclusion.again, excuse the number exaggeration here
Now, let's look at your post:
Basically anything that disagrees with your OPINION is ignoring evidence or shitty posting. Right.
Secundum quid.
However, there is certainly a large base of Korean players on fish that treat foreigners with disdain and hatred. Very extreme bad manner to the point of aggressive harassment. I have never experienced this level of hatred among any other server or any group of people from other countries in starcraft.
Anecdotal evidence.
I feel like many Koreans have good intentions and don't seem them selves that way and they are unwilling to acknowledge their fellow countrymen that have those animosities. It is just not a small amount of Koreans either, its a large base of Koreans. So through my experience on fish, I would say that I'm not surprised that this ban was created, and it wouldn't surprise me that one of the reasons they created this rule was to reduce the amount of foreigners. Was it the sole reason? probably not, but I do believe it is a significant reason.
More anecdotal evidence and admitted opinion. Mind projection fallacy.
I have played thousands of ladder games on fish over the years to experience this insane level of bigotry and harassment. I'm unsure of your level of fish experience.
Anecdotal evidence.
Hmmm....
EDIT: @pebble: Fish really does not have any such responsibility as you claim. This just mirrors the entitlement that was expressed by Bwforeverpls. Sure, it would be GREAT if they took that responsibility and decided to go out of their way to make changes that would both ensure limited ladder registration AND allow foreigners to play ladder. However, it is by no means a responsibility or even priority for them.
On April 01 2016 10:40 Bwforever2 wrote: First of all I don't even know who MCA is and banning me and giving the ban message "inconsiderate newb or a previously banned user" is cowardly. That was my first tl account ever and banning me without any warning is super messed up. Who do I message to get that account restored? Ive been lurking TL probably longer than the butthurt mod who banned me. I make an account to air my grievances after lurking TL for 7 years and this is what happens? Alright guys enjoy your circlejerk. Fucking cucks
P.s whoever this MCA is I want to applaud him for rustling your jimmies so rank that you assume everyone who doesn't agree with you is him. Bravo. Enjoy your even now deader and fragmented community/game.
You need a chill pill ._.
edit: oh and TL can see if you've actually been lurking for 7 years
Lol no they can't I've moved every 2 years they only way they could do that is IP. and pls lastscsn don't talk to me you're blatantly xenophobic I don't talk to people so basic and intellectually inferior.
I can't believe pseudo Intellectuals like jealous are saying I'm entitled for wanting to play where the best players are. I just wish fish would outright ban foreigners so they can stop pretending they aren't xenophobic insular people. The wishy washy middle ground is annoying to anyone intellectually honest. I would never make a server just for white people and accept for it to fly. Or making a server just for people over 6 feet. Cannot stand the restriction because I'm not korean. It's discrimatory and unfair and you cannot intellectually justify it. No matter how many Latin phrase toolbox users like jealous will try and justify. Im out of here. One less die hard brood war fan in the community. Exactly what the bw community needs.
On April 01 2016 13:39 Bwforever2 wrote: I can't believe pseudo Intellectuals like jealous are saying I'm entitled for wanting to play where the best players are. I just wish fish would outright ban foreigners so they can stop pretending they aren't xenophobic insular people. The wishy washy middle ground is annoying to anyone intellectually honest. I would never make a server just for white people and accept for it to fly. Or making a server just for people over 6 feet. Cannot stand the restriction because I'm not korean. It's discrimatory and unfair and you cannot intellectually justify it. No matter how many Latin phrase toolbox users like jealous will try and justify. Im out of here. One less die hard brood war fan in the community. Exactly what the bw community needs.
What has the foreign community done that's so different? Koreans are often banned, dodged, and called discriminatory names on ICCup simply because they are Korean. Entire cities have been IP banned on ICCup. Koreans were not allowed to play in TLS due to potential latency issues and perhaps other reasons, I forget if they were outright specified or not or if it was just speculation in the thread, akin to what you're doing now.
Your counterargument for being called entitled is "but I wanna play on Fish because they have good players." That's not an argument. We get that you're upset but that's simply not a valid reason.
"You cannot intellectually justify it," loooooool. Sorry, didn't mean to be discrimatory against true intellectuals.
"When in Rome, do as Romans do." "Quand on est à Rome,on fait comme les Romains"
First of all, that is French. why? why not italian or at least latin? since we are in Rome, speak Italian, get an italian phone number or get an Italian friend and ask him to use his phone number.
Now on the other hand, Rome is one of the most etnically diverse cities on the planet. People from all around the world live and visit it. And this is true now, and was true when it was the capital of the Roman empire or the republic. in that case the "world that visited and lived here" was europeans, africans, and people from the middle east, simply due to transportation limitations of the old world. Yes its mostly Italians. Doesn' t mean other people did and do not live there too.
Now if you want to come to Rome for a visit or for living, we will not allow this unless you have an italian phone number for verification. We are not making any official statement as to why you have been there before and enjoyed it, and respected it, and cannot any more. In fact, we are not considering you at all as a foreigner. You never existed in our minds, so even if you where there and it was not entirely legit that you could be there, we never acknowelged the fact that you where there in the first place. And now Basically we are making it impossible for you to come to Rome at all any more. We allready have all the tourists, students, and workers we need from the rest of italy and other nearby countries, like France and spain. If you are an art student, and want to study first hand and confront yourself with the best, you can watch the colosseum, the sistine chapel and other such things on streaming. If you want to live or visit, well, you have your own cities or art; If you really want too, get an italian phone number for verification.
How would this be fair to you Scan or any other foreigner?
Mother mary in the sculpture represents Fish admins, and Christ represents us foreigners:
This is a big blow to the starcraft community at large, Fish admins should understand that, it IS their servers and it IS their rules, and it IS also their responsibility to the game at large, the players at large, not only Koreans. Korea is the #1 place for starcraft as far as results. This involves a moral responsibility to the rest. Which they choose to ignore. Wheter they like it or not, they are not acting responsably, they are not taking at interest the whole community of starcraft. Why should they care anyway? they have their own servers, their own leagues, their own everything. Still, good example they are giving; What they are asking is for people to lend phone numbers, for those that do not have, which from what i read from this thread is not allowed. They should either: 1 Officially ban non Koreans (or non whatever they want) with a statement. (which i would not agree on) or 2 Allow for ANY phone number world wide to play without limitations. Or find a solution to allow foreign people to play without limitations like the rest. Individual people are allowed to play games with whom they want, so if Koreans don' t want to play with people who don' t speak korean thats fine. it happens anyway when looking for games. restricting people' s ability to play based on what they are doing is just wrong.
This middle ground and non clarity, this stickyness is making people angry, rightfully so
Too long to read :/ but I will read time to time. Yes. I know first one is in English and second one is in French. Why? I typed in Korean "로마에 가면 로마법을 따르라" and see this first two.
Jealous has a hard time distinguishing between facts and opinions. Most of what has been said here between both sides is opinion. I am at least willing to admit that. Sure you state some loose "facts" but your conclusions from them are opinion.
On April 01 2016 13:39 Bwforever2 wrote: I can't believe pseudo Intellectuals like jealous are saying I'm entitled for wanting to play where the best players are. I just wish fish would outright ban foreigners so they can stop pretending they aren't xenophobic insular people. The wishy washy middle ground is annoying to anyone intellectually honest. I would never make a server just for white people and accept for it to fly. Or making a server just for people over 6 feet. Cannot stand the restriction because I'm not korean. It's discrimatory and unfair and you cannot intellectually justify it. No matter how many Latin phrase toolbox users like jealous will try and justify. Im out of here. One less die hard brood war fan in the community. Exactly what the bw community needs.
What has the foreign community done that's so different? Koreans are often banned, dodged, and called discriminatory names on ICCup simply because they are Korean. Entire cities have been IP banned on ICCup. Koreans were not allowed to play in TLS due to potential latency issues and perhaps other reasons, I forget if they were outright specified or not or if it was just speculation in the thread, akin to what you're doing now.
Your counterargument for being called entitled is "but I wanna play on Fish because they have good players." That's not an argument. We get that you're upset but that's simply not a valid reason.
"You cannot intellectually justify it," loooooool. Sorry, didn't mean to be discrimatory against true intellectuals.
they were banned because TLS was a horrible tournament full of noobs looking to coddle the foreigner scene, anyone who enables banning koreans from tournies should probably just go play sc2 because they're not getting above d on iccup..
This is a classic TL thread haha (op with controversial news, dissenting opinions into bitch fest, death loop of worthless posts contributing nothing).
I don't really mind about the Fish ladder if it brings more foreigners and potentially koreans back to ICC. Anyone who is good enough to participate in the upper ranks of Fish ladder should make the effort of knowing a few Koreans to play with, who might be amiable to sharing a phone number.
Foreigners ban koreans from all sorts of tournaments etc. so the xenophobia is really a two-way system.
I think a lot of people forget that up until few years ago we couldn' even play on Fish whatsoever because non-korean IPs were all banned, but hey didn' hear anyone bitching about xenophobia then when ICC was doing well.
On March 31 2016 16:11 Jealous wrote: Oh shit. Get the furnaces started back up again?!
The way this thread reads is hilarious. I feel like this post somehow brought the karmic scale back over the edge:
On March 31 2016 15:41 GeckoXp wrote: Winterbot very strong translator, 27kg, very impressive. If he only could get a special icon for his great topics of high value.
Could a mod add this new info to the OP? there's nothing worse for a scene or a server to have info like this floating around.
Like, now that everyone is happy, you go out of your way to make a kid feel bad about crying wolf when he really saw a fox, therefore Scan had to descend from the heavens to drop unholy wrath upon all of us.
On March 31 2016 15:59 LaStScan wrote:
On March 31 2016 14:20 Probemicro wrote: "The benefits of verifying your ID are as follows:
1. Ladder Games - Verified ID's do not need 30 wins / 50 hours to play in ladder games."
so..protossgg is correct? if you do not verify, you can just do the usual 30/50 to play ladder.
No. If the account is not verified, you cannot play ladder games on that account. Even if you have 3000++ wins and 5000 ++ hours, no, you won't be able to play.
on page 4, #80, there's some sentences are not translated correctly. 3 accounts can be verified with ONLY 1 phone number. Not per day.
Even if you have 3000++ wins and 5000 ++ hours, no, you won't be able to play.
^ Like this.
And it's all your fault, Gecko.
Fish down, Garena next up. I will singlehandedly destroy BW. Watch me.
With this amount of "Garena" in this thread i'm surprised to not see a wity comment from nina lol.
I don't think she has posted for a while now, can't recall seeing anything within the last month or so.
Yeah i'm not around a lot anymlore but it's been a while i didn't see a nina post. Worst. I didn't see a blog :p
Meanwhile this thread as gotten really "interesting"
IMO part of the phone number thing is that foreigners need to get to know Koreans and learn some basic Korean. It's a Korean server meant for Korean players. How would you guys feel if I just came on TL and only spoke Chinese or something? You'd want me out of here because nobody could understand what I was saying. It's not that you didn't like me, it's that you didn't even know if I was cool or not because you had no clue what I was even trying to communicate.
It's a damn gaming server. Foreigners come and they're able to type "E game" you know. Best of the best would even remember the korean spelling of FS (sarcasm). This update is just plain stupid. It's not even like Fish was infested with foreigners, there ain't that many.
ps: also lmao at Scan trying to defend this after pretending to be a foreigner specifically to be able to pillage the first few TLCs.
On April 01 2016 23:10 WinterViewbot420 wrote: IMO part of the phone number thing is that foreigners need to get to know Koreans and learn some basic Korean. It's a Korean server meant for Korean players. How would you guys feel if I just came on TL and only spoke Chinese or something? You'd want me out of here because nobody could understand what I was saying. It's not that you didn't like me, it's that you didn't even know if I was cool or not because you had no clue what I was even trying to communicate.
so you need to know to korean to play ONEvsONE starcraft now? if i dont know a word i can only sit there and stare at the screen with the 4workers and town hall?
memester like you probably don't understand that competitive fields like BW transcend the boundaries of languages where the only communication IS BEING ABLE TO PLAY WELL. that should be the only barrier of entry into the server, if the server wants to be taken seriously i agree with you if its 2v2/team or even ums but 1v1, NO. troll all u like but don't even deny that the policy IS xenophobic in nature.
On April 01 2016 23:10 WinterViewbot420 wrote: IMO part of the phone number thing is that foreigners need to get to know Koreans and learn some basic Korean. It's a Korean server meant for Korean players. How would you guys feel if I just came on TL and only spoke Chinese or something? You'd want me out of here because nobody could understand what I was saying. It's not that you didn't like me, it's that you didn't even know if I was cool or not because you had no clue what I was even trying to communicate.
I remember how the Dutch founder of this page started to ban everyone posting in English and restricting download and forum access to those who had a Dutch passport.
On April 01 2016 23:10 WinterViewbot420 wrote: IMO part of the phone number thing is that foreigners need to get to know Koreans and learn some basic Korean. It's a Korean server meant for Korean players. How would you guys feel if I just came on TL and only spoke Chinese or something? You'd want me out of here because nobody could understand what I was saying. It's not that you didn't like me, it's that you didn't even know if I was cool or not because you had no clue what I was even trying to communicate.
I remember how the Dutch founder of this page started to ban everyone posting in English and restricting download and forum access to those who had a Dutch passport.
..realises its much better to let everyone share their passion of BW irregardless of race and it was opened up eventually.
On April 01 2016 23:10 WinterViewbot420 wrote: IMO part of the phone number thing is that foreigners need to get to know Koreans and learn some basic Korean. It's a Korean server meant for Korean players. How would you guys feel if I just came on TL and only spoke Chinese or something? You'd want me out of here because nobody could understand what I was saying. It's not that you didn't like me, it's that you didn't even know if I was cool or not because you had no clue what I was even trying to communicate.
so you need to know to korean to play ONEvsONE starcraft now? if i dont know a word i can only sit there and stare at the screen with the 4workers and town hall?
memester like you probably don't understand that competitive fields like BW transcend the boundaries of languages where the only communication IS BEING ABLE TO PLAY WELL. that should be the only barrier of entry into the server, if the server wants to be taken seriously i agree with you if its 2v2/team or even ums but 1v1, NO. troll all u like but don't even deny that the policy IS xenophobic in nature.
Server, not game. I'm talking about the whole entire server. It was meant for Korean players, foreigners were never welcome to begin with. This xenophobia, even if true, is completely justified because foreigners are not supposed to be there. Everything is in Korean.
Fish was constructed under the impression that only Koreans would play it.
Fish was constructed under the impression that only Koreans would play it.
heres a korean publicsing about fish on TL back in 2006. thats far enough to believe thats their original vision
On October 29 2006 01:53 africanboy wrote: FishServer can become a first step towards a united playground of korean and international players because it is runned by Koreans who actually speak both languages,they are not affected by the time difference and want to profit by attracting international users.
tutu what? so now the vision is to collect personal data for $ now i guess?
My opinion about this: These changes are implemented because koreans are, how must I say, afraid of foreigner influence. Just look what happened to SC2: WCS, map pool, patches, etc. - 90% of everything is done by influence of non-korean people. Blizzard already announced their patches to old games and BW should be next. They just don't wanna let others there because they think foreigners gonna start whine, then command and force changes.
I'd like to say again, even though I truly enjoy Jealous/Solar- battle, that I'm still riding with my korean friend(s) original statement: Phone verification will be only for special benefits and won't really affect foreigners.
P.S. It's Apr 2 in Korea now. New season reset/these changes were supposed to happen by now... And nothing's changed.
On April 01 2016 23:10 WinterViewbot420 wrote: IMO part of the phone number thing is that foreigners need to get to know Koreans and learn some basic Korean. It's a Korean server meant for Korean players. How would you guys feel if I just came on TL and only spoke Chinese or something? You'd want me out of here because nobody could understand what I was saying. It's not that you didn't like me, it's that you didn't even know if I was cool or not because you had no clue what I was even trying to communicate.
I remember how the Dutch founder of this page started to ban everyone posting in English and restricting download and forum access to those who had a Dutch passport.
..realises its much better to let everyone share their passion of BW irregardless of race and it was opened up eventually.
On April 01 2016 23:10 WinterViewbot420 wrote: IMO part of the phone number thing is that foreigners need to get to know Koreans and learn some basic Korean. It's a Korean server meant for Korean players. How would you guys feel if I just came on TL and only spoke Chinese or something? You'd want me out of here because nobody could understand what I was saying. It's not that you didn't like me, it's that you didn't even know if I was cool or not because you had no clue what I was even trying to communicate.
I remember how the Dutch founder of this page started to ban everyone posting in English and restricting download and forum access to those who had a Dutch passport.
..realises its much better to let everyone share their passion of BW irregardless of race and it was opened up eventually.
fish is going the other way round. your point?
sarcasm
yes while you are here munching your popcorn and trying to be funny with historical quips, would like to thank you for also being staunch believer in the closed systems like as advocated by fish admins, helping to put a nail on BW eventual coffin too.
On April 01 2016 23:10 WinterViewbot420 wrote: IMO part of the phone number thing is that foreigners need to get to know Koreans and learn some basic Korean. It's a Korean server meant for Korean players. How would you guys feel if I just came on TL and only spoke Chinese or something? You'd want me out of here because nobody could understand what I was saying. It's not that you didn't like me, it's that you didn't even know if I was cool or not because you had no clue what I was even trying to communicate.
I remember how the Dutch founder of this page started to ban everyone posting in English and restricting download and forum access to those who had a Dutch passport.
..realises its much better to let everyone share their passion of BW irregardless of race and it was opened up eventually.
fish is going the other way round. your point?
sarcasm
yes while you are here munching your popcorn and trying to be funny with historical quips, would like to thank you for also being staunch believer in the closed systems like as advocated by fish admins, helping to put a nail on BW eventual coffin too.
You do realize this was because smurfing was so out of control people were leaving the ladder, right?
On April 01 2016 23:10 WinterViewbot420 wrote: IMO part of the phone number thing is that foreigners need to get to know Koreans and learn some basic Korean. It's a Korean server meant for Korean players. How would you guys feel if I just came on TL and only spoke Chinese or something? You'd want me out of here because nobody could understand what I was saying. It's not that you didn't like me, it's that you didn't even know if I was cool or not because you had no clue what I was even trying to communicate.
I remember how the Dutch founder of this page started to ban everyone posting in English and restricting download and forum access to those who had a Dutch passport.
..realises its much better to let everyone share their passion of BW irregardless of race and it was opened up eventually.
fish is going the other way round. your point?
sarcasm
yes while you are here munching your popcorn and trying to be funny with historical quips, would like to thank you for also being staunch believer in the closed systems like as advocated by fish admins, helping to put a nail on BW eventual coffin too.
Since when I'm a staunch believer in closed systems? Please educate me.
On April 01 2016 23:10 WinterViewbot420 wrote: IMO part of the phone number thing is that foreigners need to get to know Koreans and learn some basic Korean. It's a Korean server meant for Korean players. How would you guys feel if I just came on TL and only spoke Chinese or something? You'd want me out of here because nobody could understand what I was saying. It's not that you didn't like me, it's that you didn't even know if I was cool or not because you had no clue what I was even trying to communicate.
I remember how the Dutch founder of this page started to ban everyone posting in English and restricting download and forum access to those who had a Dutch passport.
..realises its much better to let everyone share their passion of BW irregardless of race and it was opened up eventually.
fish is going the other way round. your point?
sarcasm
yes while you are here munching your popcorn and trying to be funny with historical quips, would like to thank you for also being staunch believer in the closed systems like as advocated by fish admins, helping to put a nail on BW eventual coffin too.
You do realize this was because smurfing was so out of control people were leaving the ladder, right?
...and you do realise that it will not really curb smurfing, right? or are you naive as well
whatever, you can enjoy and feel proud of your slightly smurfer and foreigner free ladder.
I will congratulate this bot guy,he alone managed to troll the active bw community,he dodge a ban from mods(talks about the mods we have)he also create an amazing guide to fish server that is mostly ok for korean speakers missing important information like u need 48 hours and 30 melee wins to play ladder,and now he saying that korean xenophobe is justified.so i clap for him.clap clap badass!
On April 01 2016 23:10 WinterViewbot420 wrote: IMO part of the phone number thing is that foreigners need to get to know Koreans and learn some basic Korean. It's a Korean server meant for Korean players. How would you guys feel if I just came on TL and only spoke Chinese or something? You'd want me out of here because nobody could understand what I was saying. It's not that you didn't like me, it's that you didn't even know if I was cool or not because you had no clue what I was even trying to communicate.
I remember how the Dutch founder of this page started to ban everyone posting in English and restricting download and forum access to those who had a Dutch passport.
..realises its much better to let everyone share their passion of BW irregardless of race and it was opened up eventually.
fish is going the other way round. your point?
sarcasm
yes while you are here munching your popcorn and trying to be funny with historical quips, would like to thank you for also being staunch believer in the closed systems like as advocated by fish admins, helping to put a nail on BW eventual coffin too.
You do realize this was because smurfing was so out of control people were leaving the ladder, right?
...and you do realise that it will not really curb smurfing, right? or are you naive as well
It was. Thousands of accounts for smurfing are created every week. Melee is a disaster because of it and getting into ladder is ten times harder than it should be.
On April 01 2016 23:10 WinterViewbot420 wrote: IMO part of the phone number thing is that foreigners need to get to know Koreans and learn some basic Korean. It's a Korean server meant for Korean players. How would you guys feel if I just came on TL and only spoke Chinese or something? You'd want me out of here because nobody could understand what I was saying. It's not that you didn't like me, it's that you didn't even know if I was cool or not because you had no clue what I was even trying to communicate.
I remember how the Dutch founder of this page started to ban everyone posting in English and restricting download and forum access to those who had a Dutch passport.
..realises its much better to let everyone share their passion of BW irregardless of race and it was opened up eventually.
fish is going the other way round. your point?
sarcasm
yes while you are here munching your popcorn and trying to be funny with historical quips, would like to thank you for also being staunch believer in the closed systems like as advocated by fish admins, helping to put a nail on BW eventual coffin too.
You do realize this was because smurfing was so out of control people were leaving the ladder, right?
...and you do realise that it will not really curb smurfing, right? or are you naive as well
It was. Thousands of accounts for smurfing are created every week. Melee is a disaster because of it and getting into ladder is ten times harder than it should be.
I still want to know who you are and why you act like you're a fish authority. Not to mention, I can just tell you're not good at BW either so you're not justified to speak on any basis... Except the fact that you're korean so you think you're an authority on this matter. At least when Scan tells us something, he has that reputation so people can more openly take his word for it.
On April 02 2016 01:23 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: I will congratulate this bot guy,he alone managed to troll the active bw community,he dodge a ban from mods(talks about the mods we have)he also create an amazing guide to fish server that is mostly ok for korean speakers missing important information like u need 48 hours and 30 melee wins to play ladder,and now he saying that korean xenophobe is justified.so i clap for him.clap clap badass!
Oh fuck off Sir Salt. You're pissed because after saying that making some Korean friends and learning Korean was useless this came up. Wait till the Fish owner gets back from Japan and have fun on iCCup for not taking my advice.
It's the Korean server, you need to respect this. We all do.
On April 01 2016 23:10 WinterViewbot420 wrote: IMO part of the phone number thing is that foreigners need to get to know Koreans and learn some basic Korean. It's a Korean server meant for Korean players. How would you guys feel if I just came on TL and only spoke Chinese or something? You'd want me out of here because nobody could understand what I was saying. It's not that you didn't like me, it's that you didn't even know if I was cool or not because you had no clue what I was even trying to communicate.
I remember how the Dutch founder of this page started to ban everyone posting in English and restricting download and forum access to those who had a Dutch passport.
..realises its much better to let everyone share their passion of BW irregardless of race and it was opened up eventually.
fish is going the other way round. your point?
sarcasm
yes while you are here munching your popcorn and trying to be funny with historical quips, would like to thank you for also being staunch believer in the closed systems like as advocated by fish admins, helping to put a nail on BW eventual coffin too.
You do realize this was because smurfing was so out of control people were leaving the ladder, right?
...and you do realise that it will not really curb smurfing, right? or are you naive as well
It was. Thousands of accounts for smurfing are created every week. Melee is a disaster because of it and getting into ladder is ten times harder than it should be.
or are just creating excuses for yourself rather than improving? iccup is there as an easier alternative, you dont have to play only peruvians. and in fact fish melee is relatively easy tbh, fuck i once saw a player with 20 apm. the smurfs provide a good challenge and aren't exactly insurmountable unless you are a whiny noobfuck.
also acting like you an authority when you are just a new player yourself. korean american trying to act like mainland korean, funny shit
On April 02 2016 01:23 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: I will congratulate this bot guy,he alone managed to troll the active bw community,he dodge a ban from mods(talks about the mods we have)he also create an amazing guide to fish server that is mostly ok for korean speakers missing important information like u need 48 hours and 30 melee wins to play ladder,and now he saying that korean xenophobe is justified.so i clap for him.clap clap badass!
Oh fuck off Sir Salt. You're pissed because after saying that making some Korean friends and learning Korean was useless this came up. Wait till the Fish owner gets back from Japan and have fun on iCCup for not taking my advice.
It's the Korean server, you need to respect this. We all do.
On April 01 2016 23:10 WinterViewbot420 wrote: IMO part of the phone number thing is that foreigners need to get to know Koreans and learn some basic Korean. It's a Korean server meant for Korean players. How would you guys feel if I just came on TL and only spoke Chinese or something? You'd want me out of here because nobody could understand what I was saying. It's not that you didn't like me, it's that you didn't even know if I was cool or not because you had no clue what I was even trying to communicate.
I remember how the Dutch founder of this page started to ban everyone posting in English and restricting download and forum access to those who had a Dutch passport.
..realises its much better to let everyone share their passion of BW irregardless of race and it was opened up eventually.
fish is going the other way round. your point?
sarcasm
yes while you are here munching your popcorn and trying to be funny with historical quips, would like to thank you for also being staunch believer in the closed systems like as advocated by fish admins, helping to put a nail on BW eventual coffin too.
You do realize this was because smurfing was so out of control people were leaving the ladder, right?
...and you do realise that it will not really curb smurfing, right? or are you naive as well
It was. Thousands of accounts for smurfing are created every week. Melee is a disaster because of it and getting into ladder is ten times harder than it should be.
or are just creating excuses for yourself rather than improving? iccup is there as an easier alternative, you dont have to play only peruvians. and in fact fish melee is relatively easy tbh, fuck i once saw a player with 20 apm. the smurfs provide a good challenge and aren't exactly insurmountable unless you are a whiny noobfuck.
also acting like you an authority when you are just a new player yourself. korean american trying to act like mainland korean, funny shit
I'm the only one providing news and I'm a translator for Fish staff. I'm in no way an authority. Also this isn't a problem with me, it's a problem that thousands of people complain about. Trust me when I say I hate the whining from noobs just as much as you but smurfing is a fundamental flaw in the Fish Server. This is the best they can do without totally locking out foreigners.
If you really want something done, you guys can all put up a list of viable alternatives than the phone number thing and I'll be sure to show Turtle.
On April 01 2016 23:10 WinterViewbot420 wrote: IMO part of the phone number thing is that foreigners need to get to know Koreans and learn some basic Korean. It's a Korean server meant for Korean players. How would you guys feel if I just came on TL and only spoke Chinese or something? You'd want me out of here because nobody could understand what I was saying. It's not that you didn't like me, it's that you didn't even know if I was cool or not because you had no clue what I was even trying to communicate.
I remember how the Dutch founder of this page started to ban everyone posting in English and restricting download and forum access to those who had a Dutch passport.
..realises its much better to let everyone share their passion of BW irregardless of race and it was opened up eventually.
fish is going the other way round. your point?
sarcasm
yes while you are here munching your popcorn and trying to be funny with historical quips, would like to thank you for also being staunch believer in the closed systems like as advocated by fish admins, helping to put a nail on BW eventual coffin too.
You do realize this was because smurfing was so out of control people were leaving the ladder, right?
...and you do realise that it will not really curb smurfing, right? or are you naive as well
It was. Thousands of accounts for smurfing are created every week. Melee is a disaster because of it and getting into ladder is ten times harder than it should be.
or are just creating excuses for yourself rather than improving? iccup is there as an easier alternative, you dont have to play only peruvians. and in fact fish melee is relatively easy tbh, fuck i once saw a player with 20 apm. the smurfs provide a good challenge and aren't exactly insurmountable unless you are a whiny noobfuck.
also acting like you an authority when you are just a new player yourself. korean american trying to act like mainland korean, funny shit
+1. Stop acting like an authority. You're a no one. Even if we all lose out on playing Fish, just remember that you will still remain a no one. I understand when someone like Scan voices his opinion on this matter but he's also got an amazing reputation. People do tend to put more faith in those who actually have skill. iCCUP is complete trash but I still feel like you wouldn't even get B- there lol.
I like how he tries to act like it's not that bad by saying you can still play melee!!!!!
Yeah man we really are going to get the practice we want by playing those scrubs.. When have koreans ever been banned from an entire ladder? Never. Tournaments are a different discussion, so don't mention them.
On April 01 2016 23:10 WinterViewbot420 wrote: IMO part of the phone number thing is that foreigners need to get to know Koreans and learn some basic Korean. It's a Korean server meant for Korean players. How would you guys feel if I just came on TL and only spoke Chinese or something? You'd want me out of here because nobody could understand what I was saying. It's not that you didn't like me, it's that you didn't even know if I was cool or not because you had no clue what I was even trying to communicate.
I remember how the Dutch founder of this page started to ban everyone posting in English and restricting download and forum access to those who had a Dutch passport.
..realises its much better to let everyone share their passion of BW irregardless of race and it was opened up eventually.
fish is going the other way round. your point?
sarcasm
yes while you are here munching your popcorn and trying to be funny with historical quips, would like to thank you for also being staunch believer in the closed systems like as advocated by fish admins, helping to put a nail on BW eventual coffin too.
You do realize this was because smurfing was so out of control people were leaving the ladder, right?
...and you do realise that it will not really curb smurfing, right? or are you naive as well
It was. Thousands of accounts for smurfing are created every week. Melee is a disaster because of it and getting into ladder is ten times harder than it should be.
Yeah, guess what. Casual users at ICCup complain about the same shit for I don't know how long. Korea is not magically better at tackling this particular issue. As a matter of fact, it will more likely hurt them in the long run. Casuals tend to overestimate their skill and overvalue their losses. Even if they somehow manage to get a 50% win rate, they'll be convinced they should win more. Their losses are explained by the "good players smurfing". Even if the smurfs turn out to be just slightly better and a lot worse than the actual pros, which FISH has a lot of. I can only applaud that FISH admins decided to attack this situation not by trying to bind accounts to the BW owner, a MAC adress or whatnot, but to farm for private data, which they in turn can use to actually make money.
As far as the racist card goes: I don't think Koreans are racist, they're just ignorant. They don't care about the rest of the world, not positively or negatively, as their community is well enough to sustain on itself. Racism would imply the main reason of the policy is to shut out the rest. They just never thought of it. You defending their intentions is just ridiculous if you don't care, if you do, it's offending as shit.
Also - if you're not an authority stop defending and giving ridiculous reasons to defend all of this. Just give us the news and translation and go about your way.
You sitting here with your bias and authoritative tone is what is causing folks to hate you.
So many salty people in this thread, simultaneously telling WinterViewBot that he is not an authority but getting mad at him for the situation, lol.
Even if he is a newcomer and has no clout, he apparently can still translate from Korean to English, and is the only one to have done so (until Scan came in way later). Would Scan have even made a thread like this, or would we have been blindsided by this change? Impossible to say now, but the fact remains that he's trying to be proactive and provide stuff for TeamLiquid and you guys are shitting on him because he's new, is bad at StarCraft, doesn't actually live in Korea (lol?), and other wholly irrelevant facts. Y'all acting worse than the supposedly xenophobic Koreans.
On April 02 2016 01:44 Jealous wrote: So many salty people in this thread, simultaneously telling WinterViewBot that he is not an authority but getting mad at him for the situation, lol.
Even if he is a newcomer and has no clout, he apparently can still translate from Korean to English, and is the only one to have done so (until Scan came in way later). Would Scan have even made a thread like this, or would we have been blindsided by this change? Impossible to say now, but the fact remains that he's trying to be proactive and provide stuff for TeamLiquid and you guys are shitting on him because he's new, is bad at StarCraft, doesn't actually live in Korea (lol?), and other wholly irrelevant facts. Y'all acting worse than the supposedly xenophobic Koreans.
Yet again you have a selective reading problem. People don't like him because he has a very authoritative tone without any credentials or history. He has not even been understanding of our concerns or at least to try and undertsand our perspective. He's one-sided and blindlessly agrees with anything the fish admins or koreans in general decide. He then continues to get an attitude when you disagree with him. Need i say more?
On April 02 2016 01:44 Jealous wrote: So many salty people in this thread, simultaneously telling WinterViewBot that he is not an authority but getting mad at him for the situation, lol.
Even if he is a newcomer and has no clout, he apparently can still translate from Korean to English, and is the only one to have done so (until Scan came in way later). Would Scan have even made a thread like this, or would we have been blindsided by this change? Impossible to say now, but the fact remains that he's trying to be proactive and provide stuff for TeamLiquid and you guys are shitting on him because he's new, is bad at StarCraft, doesn't actually live in Korea (lol?), and other wholly irrelevant facts. Y'all acting worse than the supposedly xenophobic Koreans.
I'm totally cool with him providing us news, translating, etc. I can appreciate and respect that. But to then continually defend what's going on with an authoritative "Yes, I'm friends with Turtle!!" and bias tone is what's caused all of this. If he's going to give news, just give it, and go about your way. But if you've been keeping tabs on this guy's posts since he joined TL, every post he makes is seemingly condescending, carries a tone of bigotry, and acts like he is the Fish authority. Obviously people will react a certain way, even if it's attacking him on wholly irrelevant facts. In my opinion, he deserves it.
On April 02 2016 01:44 Jealous wrote: So many salty people in this thread, simultaneously telling WinterViewBot that he is not an authority but getting mad at him for the situation, lol.
Even if he is a newcomer and has no clout, he apparently can still translate from Korean to English, and is the only one to have done so (until Scan came in way later). Would Scan have even made a thread like this, or would we have been blindsided by this change? Impossible to say now, but the fact remains that he's trying to be proactive and provide stuff for TeamLiquid and you guys are shitting on him because he's new, is bad at StarCraft, doesn't actually live in Korea (lol?), and other wholly irrelevant facts. Y'all acting worse than the supposedly xenophobic Koreans.
Yet again you have a selective reading problem. People don't like him because he has a very authoritative tone without any credentials or history. He has not even been understanding of our concerns or at least to try and undertsand our perspective. He's one-sided and blindlessly agrees with anything the fish admins or koreans in general decide. He then continues to get an attitude when you disagree with him. Need i say more?
So he's not allowed to defend actions he finds rational? He's not allowed an opinion? Posting possible explanations/reasons for the change is the same as being one-sided and agreeing "blindlessly?" Ok, got it.
On April 02 2016 01:44 Jealous wrote: So many salty people in this thread, simultaneously telling WinterViewBot that he is not an authority but getting mad at him for the situation, lol.
Even if he is a newcomer and has no clout, he apparently can still translate from Korean to English, and is the only one to have done so (until Scan came in way later). Would Scan have even made a thread like this, or would we have been blindsided by this change? Impossible to say now, but the fact remains that he's trying to be proactive and provide stuff for TeamLiquid and you guys are shitting on him because he's new, is bad at StarCraft, doesn't actually live in Korea (lol?), and other wholly irrelevant facts. Y'all acting worse than the supposedly xenophobic Koreans.
Yet again you have a selective reading problem. People don't like him because he has a very authoritative tone without any credentials or history. He has not even been understanding of our concerns or at least to try and undertsand our perspective. He's one-sided and blindlessly agrees with anything the fish admins or koreans in general decide. He then continues to get an attitude when you disagree with him. Need i say more?
So he's not allowed to defend actions he finds rational? He's not allowed an opinion? Posting possible explanations/reasons for the change is the same as being one-sided and agreeing "blindlessly?" Ok, got it.
I think this has more to do with him feeling like he is 'ENTITLED.' It's this authoritative mindset which has given him (as what he perceives) as entitlement and that's where this tone comes out. It riles folks up. Frankly, it is what it is. I can troll with the best of them. But this is definitely why people do not enjoy this guy, to say the least. So much to the point where people don't even care about the news he gives us anymore lol.
On April 02 2016 01:44 Jealous wrote: So many salty people in this thread, simultaneously telling WinterViewBot that he is not an authority but getting mad at him for the situation, lol.
Even if he is a newcomer and has no clout, he apparently can still translate from Korean to English, and is the only one to have done so (until Scan came in way later). Would Scan have even made a thread like this, or would we have been blindsided by this change? Impossible to say now, but the fact remains that he's trying to be proactive and provide stuff for TeamLiquid and you guys are shitting on him because he's new, is bad at StarCraft, doesn't actually live in Korea (lol?), and other wholly irrelevant facts. Y'all acting worse than the supposedly xenophobic Koreans.
Yet again you have a selective reading problem. People don't like him because he has a very authoritative tone without any credentials or history. He has not even been understanding of our concerns or at least to try and undertsand our perspective. He's one-sided and blindlessly agrees with anything the fish admins or koreans in general decide. He then continues to get an attitude when you disagree with him. Need i say more?
So he's not allowed to defend actions he finds rational? He's not allowed an opinion? Posting possible explanations/reasons for the change is the same as being one-sided and agreeing "blindlessly?" Ok, got it.
Did i say he can't defend his own opinion? I said he speaks with an authoritative tone and fails to at least see or understand our perspective. Hes not democratic at all about this. Attitude goes a long way with people not liking you.
On April 02 2016 01:44 Jealous wrote: So many salty people in this thread, simultaneously telling WinterViewBot that he is not an authority but getting mad at him for the situation, lol.
Even if he is a newcomer and has no clout, he apparently can still translate from Korean to English, and is the only one to have done so (until Scan came in way later). Would Scan have even made a thread like this, or would we have been blindsided by this change? Impossible to say now, but the fact remains that he's trying to be proactive and provide stuff for TeamLiquid and you guys are shitting on him because he's new, is bad at StarCraft, doesn't actually live in Korea (lol?), and other wholly irrelevant facts. Y'all acting worse than the supposedly xenophobic Koreans.
Yet again you have a selective reading problem. People don't like him because he has a very authoritative tone without any credentials or history. He has not even been understanding of our concerns or at least to try and undertsand our perspective. He's one-sided and blindlessly agrees with anything the fish admins or koreans in general decide. He then continues to get an attitude when you disagree with him. Need i say more?
So he's not allowed to defend actions he finds rational? He's not allowed an opinion? Posting possible explanations/reasons for the change is the same as being one-sided and agreeing "blindlessly?" Ok, got it.
I think this has more to do with him feeling like he is 'ENTITLED.' It's this authoritative mindset which has given him (as what he perceives) as entitlement and that's where this tone comes out. It riles folks up. Frankly, it is what it is. I can troll with the best of them. But this is definitely why people do not enjoy this guy, to say the least. So much to the point where people don't even care about the news he gives us anymore lol.
Rofl, that's pretty sad ): Not as in pathetic sad, but as in it's depressing that his contributions get outweighed by his posting history. This is how we lose contributors, even if they might be questionable posters. Fuck, I'm still around somehow, and my "contributions" have been far less useful to the scene and my crimes much greater, lol.
On April 02 2016 01:44 Jealous wrote: So many salty people in this thread, simultaneously telling WinterViewBot that he is not an authority but getting mad at him for the situation, lol.
Even if he is a newcomer and has no clout, he apparently can still translate from Korean to English, and is the only one to have done so (until Scan came in way later). Would Scan have even made a thread like this, or would we have been blindsided by this change? Impossible to say now, but the fact remains that he's trying to be proactive and provide stuff for TeamLiquid and you guys are shitting on him because he's new, is bad at StarCraft, doesn't actually live in Korea (lol?), and other wholly irrelevant facts. Y'all acting worse than the supposedly xenophobic Koreans.
Yet again you have a selective reading problem. People don't like him because he has a very authoritative tone without any credentials or history. He has not even been understanding of our concerns or at least to try and undertsand our perspective. He's one-sided and blindlessly agrees with anything the fish admins or koreans in general decide. He then continues to get an attitude when you disagree with him. Need i say more?
So he's not allowed to defend actions he finds rational? He's not allowed an opinion? Posting possible explanations/reasons for the change is the same as being one-sided and agreeing "blindlessly?" Ok, got it.
Did i say he can't defend his own opinion? I said he speaks with an authoritative tone and fails to at least see or understand our perspective. Hes not democratic at all about this. Attitude goes a long way with people not liking you.
Agree with Solar-.
No one can deny the fact that him giving us news, translation, etc is great. I can respect him 'TRYING' to foster the foreign community a bit. But this is not the right way. At this rate, we rather just hear thru the grapevine (and yes, we would've heard this news even with out him...)
On April 02 2016 01:44 Jealous wrote: So many salty people in this thread, simultaneously telling WinterViewBot that he is not an authority but getting mad at him for the situation, lol.
Even if he is a newcomer and has no clout, he apparently can still translate from Korean to English, and is the only one to have done so (until Scan came in way later). Would Scan have even made a thread like this, or would we have been blindsided by this change? Impossible to say now, but the fact remains that he's trying to be proactive and provide stuff for TeamLiquid and you guys are shitting on him because he's new, is bad at StarCraft, doesn't actually live in Korea (lol?), and other wholly irrelevant facts. Y'all acting worse than the supposedly xenophobic Koreans.
Yet again you have a selective reading problem. People don't like him because he has a very authoritative tone without any credentials or history. He has not even been understanding of our concerns or at least to try and undertsand our perspective. He's one-sided and blindlessly agrees with anything the fish admins or koreans in general decide. He then continues to get an attitude when you disagree with him. Need i say more?
So he's not allowed to defend actions he finds rational? He's not allowed an opinion? Posting possible explanations/reasons for the change is the same as being one-sided and agreeing "blindlessly?" Ok, got it.
I think this has more to do with him feeling like he is 'ENTITLED.' It's this authoritative mindset which has given him (as what he perceives) as entitlement and that's where this tone comes out. It riles folks up. Frankly, it is what it is. I can troll with the best of them. But this is definitely why people do not enjoy this guy, to say the least. So much to the point where people don't even care about the news he gives us anymore lol.
Rofl, that's pretty sad ): Not as in pathetic sad, but as in it's depressing that his contributions get outweighed by his posting history. This is how we lose contributors, even if they might be questionable posters. Fuck, I'm still around somehow, and my "contributions" have been far less useful to the scene and my crimes much greater, lol.
Lol. Yes, well, I guess "first impressions" do go a long way, indeed.
EDIT: He's temp banned now. Guess that tone of his did not go such a long way after all.
On April 02 2016 01:44 Jealous wrote: So many salty people in this thread, simultaneously telling WinterViewBot that he is not an authority but getting mad at him for the situation, lol.
Even if he is a newcomer and has no clout, he apparently can still translate from Korean to English, and is the only one to have done so (until Scan came in way later). Would Scan have even made a thread like this, or would we have been blindsided by this change? Impossible to say now, but the fact remains that he's trying to be proactive and provide stuff for TeamLiquid and you guys are shitting on him because he's new, is bad at StarCraft, doesn't actually live in Korea (lol?), and other wholly irrelevant facts. Y'all acting worse than the supposedly xenophobic Koreans.
Yet again you have a selective reading problem. People don't like him because he has a very authoritative tone without any credentials or history. He has not even been understanding of our concerns or at least to try and undertsand our perspective. He's one-sided and blindlessly agrees with anything the fish admins or koreans in general decide. He then continues to get an attitude when you disagree with him. Need i say more?
So he's not allowed to defend actions he finds rational? He's not allowed an opinion? Posting possible explanations/reasons for the change is the same as being one-sided and agreeing "blindlessly?" Ok, got it.
I think this has more to do with him feeling like he is 'ENTITLED.' It's this authoritative mindset which has given him (as what he perceives) as entitlement and that's where this tone comes out. It riles folks up. Frankly, it is what it is. I can troll with the best of them. But this is definitely why people do not enjoy this guy, to say the least. So much to the point where people don't even care about the news he gives us anymore lol.
Rofl, that's pretty sad ): Not as in pathetic sad, but as in it's depressing that his contributions get outweighed by his posting history. This is how we lose contributors, even if they might be questionable posters. Fuck, I'm still around somehow, and my "contributions" have been far less useful to the scene and my crimes much greater, lol.
Lol. Yes, well, I guess "first impressions" do go a long way, indeed.
EDIT: He's temp banned now. Guess that tone of his did not go such a long way after all.
This thread gave me a heart attack. I finally thought I was settled in nicely, being able to play ladder on both the Fish and iCCup server. Honestly, this is really disappointing. I'm new to brood war and in my opinion it's the best game ever made. It's a shame that it's delivered in such a convoluted and biased package.
Every time I think I've overcome a hurdle, a new one shows up trying to prevent me from enjoying the best game ever made.
I respect the decision of Korean's to want to have a server for their own, it's their right. This doesn't mean that I agree with it though. I like to think I'm an ideal foreigner. I'm fascinated by Korean culture and I'm slowly learning the language to be able to fit in perfectly on the server and understand what my idols are saying during interviews.
I'm scared now, because being able to express myself or make a case for myself in Korean is still a distant future. Off the top of my head I'm hoping that Last.Scan might be able to supply some passionate foreigners with a phone number if given the necessary money to do so. I mean, doesn't a new phone come with a new phone number? If so, we could all just supply the necessary money for a Korean to buy himself a new phone and supply us with the number giving us 3 accounts.
Thanks to anyone that considers the situation of us foreigners and is willing to help us out.
On April 02 2016 07:08 Malkiyah wrote: Scan soon will be a businessman selling korean phone numbers to foreigners
Uh.. Yea. One more quarter to study. April 4th ~ June 24th. Then I'll be going back to my home country. Yes, I'm in a business major, but not sure what kind of job I will have later. Zz.
Looks like the ladder finally reset and our fears are true. I cannot join the ladder channel with my previously valid accounts. FYI I have over 200 melee wins and passed the 48 hours logged on this account by A LOT.
Lot of korean people from ygosu (biggest sc site) are dissapointed with recent ladder system. They're saying that fish might text "ads" to them, using their phone numbers. The logic behind this is that fish is known for ddosing Brain server and corrupted admins. I think ladder system will change more still
On April 02 2016 15:38 iFU.pauline wrote: So sad, I just met a korean yesterday who helped me understanding the autphone process, but she wouldn't give her number -_-
rofl what a player pauline
"hi girl I need your number because of starcraft and stuff"
i think they changed the terms of service. it now says fishbattle is for KOREAN users only. so now we are officially banned. at least we know we are no longer welcome just by virtue of where i was born. rip end of an era.
This is so funny, I have fucking legal CD key and still some korean server with elitist wannabe xenophobic admins ban me from online gaming. Since iCCup is trash now we all need to move to Korea and get citizenship to be able to ladder on BW. Or just wait year two maybe when Blizzard will settle new patch and fix their official gateways.
honestly in 2016 to have a server only for a certain race/country is really mindboggling. oh well, its unfair. the foreign BW scene has been in its death throes for awhile now, just another nail in the coffin.
On April 03 2016 03:27 outscar wrote: This is so funny, I have fucking legal CD key and still some korean server with elitist wannabe xenophobic admins ban me from online gaming. Since iCCup is trash now we all need to move to Korea and get citizenship to be able to ladder on BW. Or just wait year two maybe when Blizzard will settle new patch and fix their official gateways.
On April 03 2016 03:39 sdjklahsjask wrote: honestly in 2016 to have a server only for a certain race/country is really mindboggling. oh well, its unfair. the foreign BW scene has been in its death throes for awhile now, just another nail in the coffin.
People are still really not understanding the fact that this is SOP for many Korean games. Why should Fish/BW be the exception? People are also ignoring the fact that this fixes issues which were much more prevalent than the presence of foreigners on Fish, namely smurfing. The presence of foreigners on Fish is such a small minority that I doubt it was even considered a "problem," although that is my opinion. It's not mind-boggling and it's not elitist. It is "unfair" in the sense that you could play before but not anymore. However, fairness was never part of the equation and life is unfair.
Foreign BW scene, as has been mentioned before in this thread, might actually benefit from this. With top foreigners being forced to either jump through hoops to play on Fish or return to ICCup, the ICCup player population should rise. ICCup/foreigner-only tournaments like TLS were a thing even before this change.
Long story short, people need to check themselves. Talking shit about Fish admins and whining on forums achieves nothing.
anyways i figured out how to verify the account now. you need to sign up for an account ingame, sit around for an hour so the account gets verified. go to the fishbattle website, go to log in. log in with your account you made within the client.
there will be a hangul captcha but just google virtual korean keyboard and if you type the hangul characters as you see them, its really quite easy to get around. msg me if you need help.
after you're logged into the website, you will see a tab for cell phone verification. use your korean friends phone number, and then theres another capcha. after you input it, it will send the SMS to the phone and get ur friend to tell you what it is, enter it and you're done! you can now play on fish ladder. just becareful in game and don't talk ever and always gg don't bm. make sure you get map pack so you don't get banned for not having maps.
if this post isn't allowed, please just delete it, please no ban. since this is private server in korea (which is technically illegal anyways) i don't think this is against any laws. i mean most korean games you need a korean social insurance number to play which i assume is hella illegal to use. although many korean kids use their grand parents to get around restrictions. the worst thing that will happen to you is probably get your account banned then ip banned from fish.
On April 03 2016 04:44 Jealous wrote: Why do you think the server is illegal? Why do you think asking for SSID is illegal?
i thought private servers that arent ran by blizzard were illegal? like fishbattle doesn't own the brood war intellectual property so running a server is technically illegal. blizzard just doesn't care.
On April 03 2016 04:44 Jealous wrote: Why do you think the server is illegal? Why do you think asking for SSID is illegal?
i thought private servers that arent ran by blizzard were illegal? like fishbattle doesn't own the brood war intellectual property so running a server is technically illegal. blizzard just doesn't care.
correct me if im wrong.
I see, that could very well be true. I thought you were going in a different direction, as in illegal by Korean law.
yeah fish battle is definitely not legal. infact blizzard has sued private servers before. my point is that getting around the SMS protect thing probably won't land anyone in trouble and my post should be fine/within team liquid rules.
On April 03 2016 03:27 outscar wrote: This is so funny, I have fucking legal CD key and still some korean server with elitist wannabe xenophobic admins ban me from online gaming. Since iCCup is trash now we all need to move to Korea and get citizenship to be able to ladder on BW. Or just wait year two maybe when Blizzard will settle new patch and fix their official gateways.
On April 03 2016 03:39 sdjklahsjask wrote: honestly in 2016 to have a server only for a certain race/country is really mindboggling. oh well, its unfair. the foreign BW scene has been in its death throes for awhile now, just another nail in the coffin.
People are still really not understanding the fact that this is SOP for many Korean games. Why should Fish/BW be the exception? People are also ignoring the fact that this fixes issues which were much more prevalent than the presence of foreigners on Fish, namely smurfing.
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The fix part has yet to be proven, I seriously doubt it's such a big issue. People have been complaining about this for as long as I can remember. Casuals stop playing not because of the smurfs, but because they're bad and other modern titles allow for faster learning curves. For the established players smurfs also mean shit, because why would they? How does that harm you from improving?
As for the SMS part: Only because it's the standard in Korea doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't critize it. If you actually buy into the "smurf" bullshit you underestimate what really is the driving factor: farming for data which you can use to gain money. There are way less intrusive means to achieve "banning smurfs" or "restricting accounts to a user", at least that's what I've been told by some hobby coders.
That's nothing to do with talking shit about admins or pointing made up racism, it's critizing their policy. And that's okay. They're not giving a shit and Korean users seem to not care.
On April 03 2016 04:09 Jealous wrote: Talking shit about Fish admins and whining on forums achieves nothing.
Lets DDoS them! xD
On April 03 2016 05:01 GeckoXp wrote:
Casuals stop playing not because of the smurfs, but because they're bad and other modern titles allow for faster learning curves.
That's why D ranks in iCCup are Platinum (or how do they call the top league) in sc2. Many of new players in BW say that the game is hard for them. I've never heard that someone is quitting BW because he was smurfed... They could easy ban Last and automatically gets 50% of Ladder places free...
On April 03 2016 04:09 Jealous wrote: Long story short, people need to check themselves. Talking shit about Fish admins and whining on forums achieves nothing.
I'm not trying to achieve anything. If I need I can say this to Fish admins, but I don't know korean. Even if all SC2/CS/HOTS/LoL will gather here they won't achieve anything so trying to prevent people talking shit is clueless. You seem not to understand how ridiculous is this: we lost ONE huge ladder server which we were playing. Being all battle.net servers dead the last remaining hope is iCCup. If it will be down because you can expect everything from russian admins, if DotA kids will donate more to it they can shut down BW and only host one game which gives benefits them we can say farewell to BW.
On April 03 2016 05:01 GeckoXp wrote:
The fix part has yet to be proven, I seriously doubt it's such a big issue. People have been complaining about this for as long as I can remember. Casuals stop playing not because of the smurfs, but because they're bad and other modern titles allow for faster learning curves. For the established players smurfs also mean shit, because why would they? How does that harm you from improving?
As for the SMS part: Only because it's the standard in Korea doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't critize it. If you actually buy into the "smurf" bullshit you underestimate what really is the driving factor: farming for data which you can use to gain money. There are way less intrusive means to achieve "banning smurfs" or "restricting accounts to a user", at least that's what I've been told by some hobby coders.
That's nothing to do with talking shit about admins or pointing made up racism, it's critizing their policy. And that's okay. They're not giving a shit and Korean users seem to not care.
I'm wondering if they implimented this SMS rules due to some admins actually being xenophobic. I only say this because after reading this thread a bit I did some research on xenophobia in Korea and apparently it's a very real issue, especially with the older generations. I've also watched a video with a German caster talking about his experience in Korea and how he received racist remarks several times during his visit. During my time on fish many users would ask me "from?" (I guess due to my ping being above normal) and when I said Canada they'd either be super nice or call me a dog fucker or something and leave the game. I'd say it was 50/50 chance of them being a racist when they found out I was a foreigner
On April 03 2016 05:00 sdjklahsjask wrote: yeah fish battle is definitely not legal. infact blizzard has sued private servers before. my point is that getting around the SMS protect thing probably won't land anyone in trouble and my post should be fine/within team liquid rules.
On the other hand, Blizzard listed Iccup as the official bw ladder on their own website years ago (as far as I remember).
On April 03 2016 06:48 castleeMg wrote: I'm wondering if they implimented this SMS rules due to some admins actually being xenophobic. I only say this because after reading this thread a bit I did some research on xenophobia in Korea and apparently it's a very real issue, especially with the older generations. I've also watched a video with a German caster talking about his experience in Korea and how he received racist remarks several times during his visit. During my time on fish many users would ask me "from?" (I guess due to my ping being above normal) and when I said Canada they'd either be super nice or call me a dog fucker or something and leave the game. I'd say it was 50/50 chance of them being a racist when they found out I was a foreigner
That video IIRC must be Khaldors, right? He is telling about really good example of it IRL, still it got nothing to do with Fish trollers because I'm sure as hell can tell that I encountered this type of shit on iCCup much more. What I wanted to say that Fish population honestly won't gonna give a fuck of 1% foreigner players and just for sake of it implement this bullshit. In other hand if they call you "dog fucker" you can answer them "dog eater" - which is worse - dog raping or consumption?
On April 03 2016 06:48 castleeMg wrote: I'm wondering if they implimented this SMS rules due to some admins actually being xenophobic. I only say this because after reading this thread a bit I did some research on xenophobia in Korea and apparently it's a very real issue, especially with the older generations. I've also watched a video with a German caster talking about his experience in Korea and how he received racist remarks several times during his visit. During my time on fish many users would ask me "from?" (I guess due to my ping being above normal) and when I said Canada they'd either be super nice or call me a dog fucker or something and leave the game. I'd say it was 50/50 chance of them being a racist when they found out I was a foreigner
That video IIRC must be Khaldors, right? He is telling about really good example of it IRL, still it got nothing to do with Fish trollers because I'm sure as hell can tell that I encountered this type of shit on iCCup much more. What I wanted to say that Fish population honestly won't gonna give a fuck of 1% foreigner players and just for sake of it implement this bullshit. In other hand if they call you "dog fucker" you can answer them "dog eater" - which is worse - dog raping or consumption?
IIRC dogs aren't looked at positively in Korea as in Europe/US so I guess dog eating is actually positive . Here you go.
i live in canada and i grew up in a very poor place. most of my neighboorhood = korean immigrants. they mostly kept to themselves but i befriended some of them when i was a younger kid and a lot of them said their parents and grand parents were really racist and didn't like white people. you should listen to what the average korean has to say about black people or asians like viet or philipinos. its scary. my best friend as a kid was korean and his mom would regularly chase me around the house with a spoon calling me a white dog. korean xenophobia and racism is the 30 pound elephant in the room in e-sports.
ive played a lot on fish and when they ask me where im from i say canada and mostly we have a huge korean immigrant population in canada so mostly they're nice to me. when i taught english in korea they were very nice to me but behind my back i was always the white guy. hard to belong.
anyways rant over. i'm doubtful the the admins had the foreigners in mind because almost every korean game has verification stuff like this but since xenophobia and racism is really common in korea its hard to say.
On April 03 2016 06:48 castleeMg wrote: I'm wondering if they implimented this SMS rules due to some admins actually being xenophobic. I only say this because after reading this thread a bit I did some research on xenophobia in Korea and apparently it's a very real issue, especially with the older generations. I've also watched a video with a German caster talking about his experience in Korea and how he received racist remarks several times during his visit. During my time on fish many users would ask me "from?" (I guess due to my ping being above normal) and when I said Canada they'd either be super nice or call me a dog fucker or something and leave the game. I'd say it was 50/50 chance of them being a racist when they found out I was a foreigner
Given Korea, I'm rather surprised that something like this wasn't implemented until now, since most if not all websites require you to provide some sort of confirmation before you sign up for a website/service.
Glad to see lucky start for foreigner terran - Boom boom su4ka indeed! Even if it's hard to find someone who's not from Ladder channel and wishes to help you I think that's only way to achieve something there.
Nice, congrats ^^; If other foreigners don't go on Fish crying allegations of xenophobia and shitting on admins, I'm sure others will be able to help just like he helped here!
wow i dont read this thread for like 2 days and its a complete fking shitstorm too bad winterviewbot got banned. im siding with jealous guy on this. he didnt deserve all the hate he got
On April 03 2016 13:58 supernovamaniac wrote: why did this thread even blow up like this in the first place?
1. WinterViewBot contributes to the Brood War forum by relaying messages about Fish. Informs us that we will be no longer allowed to play ladder without phone verification.
2. This riles people up because DATS RACIST and because WinterViewBot was defending Fish's unpopular decision, in an "authoritative" manner.
3. People start throwing hate around and bringing up old beef they had with WinterViewBot because he has said things in the past that have offended eonzerg (said that top foreigners are F level) and mca (said that his launcher sucks).
4. This lays the groundwork for inconsiderate noobs like Bwforeverpls to start throwing hate around too. When confronted with logic, BW4EP starts getting even more insulting and ignores any counter-argument.
5. Other people who sympathize with BW4EP and think that DATS RACIST start adding their own opinions into the mix and argue with people who are trying to explain the fact that Fish admins probably did not do this out of spite/racism.
6. More people complain without reading the thread, or ignoring previous discussion.
Also at some point there were some misinterpretations of the announcement and competing translations or something, which led to a rollercoaster of emotion for some.
TL;DR: Beef, whining, feelings of entitlement, allegations of xenophobia, people not listening to reason, people with opposing opinions, some translation misinterpretation, a scant amount of justified criticism, tears, tears, falling like the rain.
On April 03 2016 13:58 supernovamaniac wrote: why did this thread even blow up like this in the first place?
1. WinterViewBot contributes to the Brood War forum by relaying messages about Fish. Informs us that we will be no longer allowed to play ladder without phone verification.
2. This riles people up because DATS RACIST and because WinterViewBot was defending Fish's unpopular decision, in an "authoritative" manner.
3. People start throwing hate around and bringing up old beef they had with WinterViewBot because he has said things in the past that have offended eonzerg (said that top foreigners are F level) and mca (said that his launcher sucks).
4. This lays the groundwork for inconsiderate noobs like Bwforeverpls to start throwing hate around too. When confronted with logic, BW4EP starts getting even more insulting and ignores any counter-argument.
5. Other people who sympathize with BW4EP and think that DATS RACIST start adding their own opinions into the mix and argue with people who are trying to explain the fact that Fish admins probably did not do this out of spite/racism.
6. More people complain without reading the thread, or ignoring previous discussion.
Also at some point there were some misinterpretations of the announcement and competing translations or something, which led to a rollercoaster of emotion for some.
TL;DR: Beef, whining, feelings of entitlement, allegations of xenophobia, people not listening to reason, people with opposing opinions, some translation misinterpretation, a scant amount of justified criticism, tears, tears, falling like the rain.
But where is Idra? He has to be behind this. Idrama?
On April 03 2016 15:40 Jealous wrote: Oh I also forgot to mention that Geckoxp is responsible for all of this.
Gecko, I fired up Garena today, and there is no LAN icon in any of the countries I tried. Congratulations, you did it again.
Since this February Garena is only available for Singapore (+ some Southeast Asia IP addresses?). Now this server only for Korea. Majority of ICCUP is DotA. Really hope they will continue supporting BW.
On April 03 2016 15:40 Jealous wrote: Oh I also forgot to mention that Geckoxp is responsible for all of this.
Gecko, I fired up Garena today, and there is no LAN icon in any of the countries I tried. Congratulations, you did it again.
Since this February Garena is only available for Singapore (+ some Southeast Asia IP addresses?). Now this server only for Korea. Majority of ICCUP is DotA. Really hope they will continue supporting BW.
Even Singapore doesn't have the classic LAN icon or StarCraft as a game option lol. There are some videos that have workarounds from 2014 so not sure if they work or not.
On April 03 2016 15:40 Jealous wrote: Oh I also forgot to mention that Geckoxp is responsible for all of this.
Gecko, I fired up Garena today, and there is no LAN icon in any of the countries I tried. Congratulations, you did it again.
Since this February Garena is only available for Singapore (+ some Southeast Asia IP addresses?). Now this server only for Korea. Majority of ICCUP is DotA. Really hope they will continue supporting BW.
Even Singapore doesn't have the classic LAN icon or StarCraft as a game option lol. There are some videos that have workarounds from 2014 so not sure if they work or not.
They still have LAN icon and StarCraft but only if you connect with Singapore IP, which is a big hassle (can use Avast SecureLine for 7day testing). Here a screenshot from 5 minutes ago: http://i.imgur.com/8cRp3Xq.jpg
On April 03 2016 08:41 sdjklahsjask wrote: iccup is very active at D ranks and C. anything higher and don't bother unless specific times. most people play on fish but now that will change.
was that supposed to prove anything? Or just to brag about that mad 92% winrate against F- players? Next time you get banned from a Defiler Tour don't cry.
was that supposed to prove anything? Or just to brag about that mad 92% winrate against F- players? Next time you get banned from a Defiler Tour don't cry.
he is happy to be in the ladder channel :D just korean things
was that supposed to prove anything? Or just to brag about that mad 92% winrate against F- players? Next time you get banned from a Defiler Tour don't cry.
Why are you so toxic? And what makes you to think that i got 92% winrate against F- players? Welp, probably it is irrelevant for me to communicate with you in the first place.
With that salty attitude, I wonder more about your life story.
PS: I helped one foreign user to play fish ladder. Don't get salty. ^^
was that supposed to prove anything? Or just to brag about that mad 92% winrate against F- players? Next time you get banned from a Defiler Tour don't cry.
what makes you to think that i got 92% winrate against F- players?
On April 03 2016 23:57 Endymion wrote: you can also just go on korean omegle and get some rando teenage girl to confirm your account
Only possible if you can speak Korean?
Yea, not like they teach English over there. And it's a shame you can't use the Internet to translate text from one language to another or in reverse, imagine how cool that would be?
I got verified as well. I am very grateful to my Korean friends who sympathize with us, and gave me one of their verification passes. If you guys have some Korean friends they might be willing to help as well. It's a shame it came to this, but there are many Koreans who want to help you. I also heard they may disband this new rule because many Koreans are not liking it as well.
On April 04 2016 03:30 sdjklahsjask wrote: i have a question. my account is verified but i cannot connect to ladder. do i still need 20 ladder wins or 20 ladder games?
I'm pretty sure u need 30 wins and 48 hours logged on still, but I'm not sure if that has changed or not. The account I have already meets those requirements.
On April 04 2016 03:30 sdjklahsjask wrote: i have a question. my account is verified but i cannot connect to ladder. do i still need 20 ladder wins or 20 ladder games?
Read the above www.teamliquid.net You must have 20 melee wins at least to connect ladder channel.
uhm i had luck going on korean subreddits and offering people like 10 bucks. i got 3 accounts off someone. i have a few other people today that are gonna help me make accounts and then ill share them with you guys. just post here what you want your account names or pm me? i duno
As for myself, I've never used fish but since it's so hard to get high level games on Iccup I was thinking of moving over to fish. Alas, I haven't made korean friends on Iccup so what do I do =)
It also saddens me however, wish we could get some better activity on Iccup, and according to latest statistics the activity is rising. However once you reach B/B+ it starts to take a while until you find game and you rarely see more than 1 person in the ladder A-B chat.
You know what makes more sense? Instead of blaming the Koreans for not holding to their morals of upholding StarCraft to everyone standard, why not Teamliquid? They already have an independent server. They have code(ers). There just has to be a calling, and I think now is to put all your emotion aside and start promoting a TL server.
yeah ive always wondered why a massive gaming community like tl doesnt actually have any of their own servers for starcraft. i mean yeah its not profitable, but still, teamliquids whole existence is thanks to brood war
On April 04 2016 07:18 Mengmeng wrote: You know what makes more sense? Instead of blaming the Koreans for not holding to their morals of upholding StarCraft to everyone standard, why not Teamliquid? They already have an independent server. They have code(ers). There just has to be a calling, and I think now is to put all your emotion aside and start promoting a TL server.
You're right, let's keep pointing fingers and expecting things to be done for us. That gets things done.
On April 04 2016 07:18 Mengmeng wrote: You know what makes more sense? Instead of blaming the Koreans for not holding to their morals of upholding StarCraft to everyone standard, why not Teamliquid? They already have an independent server. They have code(ers). There just has to be a calling, and I think now is to put all your emotion aside and start promoting a TL server.
You're right, let's keep pointing fingers and expecting things to be done for us. That gets things done.
Agree.
What kind of post is that? Lol. "Oh, let's not blame the koreans. Let's blame TeamLiquid!!!" - I think that post takes the cake for the most ridiculous out of anything in this entire thread.
On April 04 2016 07:18 Mengmeng wrote: You know what makes more sense? Instead of blaming the Koreans for not holding to their morals of upholding StarCraft to everyone standard, why not Teamliquid? They already have an independent server. They have code(ers). There just has to be a calling, and I think now is to put all your emotion aside and start promoting a TL server.
I dunno who these coders you are thinking off but R1CH is the main coder who's very occupied with a lot of stuff.
On April 04 2016 10:54 evilfatsh1t wrote: yeah ive always wondered why a massive gaming community like tl doesnt actually have any of their own servers for starcraft. i mean yeah its not profitable, but still, teamliquids whole existence is thanks to brood war
The brood community is rather tiny these days and ICcup is still working well at this point in time. The rule change for fish is unfortunate but as mentioned many times in the thread, we can only respect their decision and personally, I don't believe it was done out of malice.
On April 04 2016 07:18 Mengmeng wrote: You know what makes more sense? Instead of blaming the Koreans for not holding to their morals of upholding StarCraft to everyone standard, why not Teamliquid? They already have an independent server. They have code(ers). There just has to be a calling, and I think now is to put all your emotion aside and start promoting a TL server.
There would be no point in dividing an already small community even further when you have iccup still. Time and energy is better spent promoting iccup and help improving it then trying to make another private server especially since its a huge time investment. Also a group of tl posters actually did try to work on their own server but that failed. In the end its just not worth it.
i have 2 accounts verified i can give away. they may not have your name but it will allow you to play. i don't know how to fairly distribute them so maybe raffle? i duno any ideas?
On April 05 2016 08:56 sdjklahsjask wrote: i have 2 accounts verified i can give away. they may not have your name but it will allow you to play. i don't know how to fairly distribute them so maybe raffle? i duno any ideas?
organize an iccup tour winner gets 1 place and a random person gets another?
got 3 more accounts on the way later. im just going to name them random stuff unless you guys post what you want
lol jealous has spent this entire thread defending the korean decision to do this bullshit then he messaged me for an account LOL. i am in no way defending this obviously xenophobic decision but i have no problem helping others get around it.
anyways, im sitting on 5 accounts i can give away. just message me for free account. im not sure if you can change name but most of them are just named teamliquid_dude or teamliquid_dude1. i should have more accounts tommorow because many koreans are just getting on the computer right now. just msg!
On April 05 2016 11:45 sdjklahsjask wrote: got 3 more accounts on the way later. im just going to name them random stuff unless you guys post what you want
lol jealous has spent this entire thread defending the korean decision to do this bullshit then he messaged me for an account LOL. i am in no way defending this obviously xenophobic decision but i have no problem helping others get around it.
anyways, im sitting on 5 accounts i can give away. just message me for free account. im not sure if you can change name but most of them are just named teamliquid_dude or teamliquid_dude1. i should have more accounts tommorow because many koreans are just getting on the computer right now. just msg!
So, because I understand why the Koreans did it and wanted to explain to people that this decision is most likely NOT due to xenophobia as you and many other willfully ignorant people keep claiming, I am in the wrong and don't deserve an account? And deserve to be called out for sending a private message nicely asking for one, after you offered them publicly? I think it's clear who the true jackass is.
I can find accounts on my own, but I figured since you were being nice enough to offer them in the thread, I'd ask you. I guess I forgot I was dealing with a child.
On April 05 2016 11:45 sdjklahsjask wrote: got 3 more accounts on the way later. im just going to name them random stuff unless you guys post what you want
lol jealous has spent this entire thread defending the korean decision to do this bullshit then he messaged me for an account LOL. i am in no way defending this obviously xenophobic decision but i have no problem helping others get around it.
anyways, im sitting on 5 accounts i can give away. just message me for free account. im not sure if you can change name but most of them are just named teamliquid_dude or teamliquid_dude1. i should have more accounts tommorow because many koreans are just getting on the computer right now. just msg!
So, because I understand why the Koreans did it and wanted to explain to people that this decision is most likely NOT due to xenophobia as you and many other willfully ignorant people keep claiming, I am in the wrong and don't deserve an account? And deserve to be called out for sending a private message nicely asking for one, after you offered them publicly? I think it's clear who the true jackass is.
I can find accounts on my own, but I figured since you were being nice enough to offer them in the thread, I'd ask you. I guess I forgot I was dealing with a child.
Ridiculous post. The only one of you two acting childish is you.
On April 05 2016 11:45 sdjklahsjask wrote: got 3 more accounts on the way later. im just going to name them random stuff unless you guys post what you want
lol jealous has spent this entire thread defending the korean decision to do this bullshit then he messaged me for an account LOL. i am in no way defending this obviously xenophobic decision but i have no problem helping others get around it.
anyways, im sitting on 5 accounts i can give away. just message me for free account. im not sure if you can change name but most of them are just named teamliquid_dude or teamliquid_dude1. i should have more accounts tommorow because many koreans are just getting on the computer right now. just msg!
So, because I understand why the Koreans did it and wanted to explain to people that this decision is most likely NOT due to xenophobia as you and many other willfully ignorant people keep claiming, I am in the wrong and don't deserve an account? And deserve to be called out for sending a private message nicely asking for one, after you offered them publicly? I think it's clear who the true jackass is.
I can find accounts on my own, but I figured since you were being nice enough to offer them in the thread, I'd ask you. I guess I forgot I was dealing with a child.
Ridiculous post. The only one of you two acting childish is you.
You're entitled to your opinion. I find it childish to share private messages in public in order to somehow shame someone, you find it childish that I complain about it, to each his own.
On April 03 2016 23:57 Endymion wrote: you can also just go on korean omegle and get some rando teenage girl to confirm your account
Only possible if you can speak Korean?
Yea, not like they teach English over there. And it's a shame you can't use the Internet to translate text from one language to another or in reverse, imagine how cool that would be?
1. Not everyone is familiar with omegle. 2. It was a genuine question. 3. Translating tools are notoriously bad even for languages as pervasive as English. They're quite good to get a general idea about the contents of a foreign language since you can easily deduce meaning even from messy and jumbled sentences. But they're still bad at composing a piece of text in a foreign language. 4. Thanks for being so snarky about it though.
For the heck of it, I wrote a message and translated it with google translate. I'm sure any Korean would be able to testify that the text is full of errors.
Recently the admins of a game I love playing have changed their policy essentially preventing me from playing. Now, you have to have a korean phone number to be able to verify your account. Is anyone willing to share their phone number with me so I can link my account to it? A few verification messages will be send to the number, which I will need to verify my account. So if you could forward those to me in a PM for example, I would highly appreciate it.
Thank you!
Translation:
안녕하세요,
최근에 재생 사랑 게임의 관리자는 자신의 정책이 본질적으로 재생 에서 저를 방지 변경되었습니다. 지금, 당신은 계정을 확인 할 수있는 한국의 전화 번호를 가지고 있습니다. 내가 내 계정을 연결할 수 있도록 저와 함께 자신의 전화 번호를 공유 하고자하는 사람 인가? 몇 가지 확인 메시지가 내 계정 을 확인해야합니다 수, 로 전송 됩니다. 당신은 예를 들어 오후 에 나에게 사람들을 전달할 수 있다면 그래서 , 나는 그것을 매우 감사하겠습니다 .
Hello! Recently I've been much into 18yo korean girls, but korean authorities made it hard to enter one! So could you help me out with it? Will you give me your number? Cheers!
On April 04 2016 07:18 Mengmeng wrote: You know what makes more sense? Instead of blaming the Koreans for not holding to their morals of upholding StarCraft to everyone standard, why not Teamliquid? They already have an independent server. They have code(ers). There just has to be a calling, and I think now is to put all your emotion aside and start promoting a TL server.
I dunno who these coders you are thinking off but R1CH is the main coder who's very occupied with a lot of stuff.
On April 04 2016 10:54 evilfatsh1t wrote: yeah ive always wondered why a massive gaming community like tl doesnt actually have any of their own servers for starcraft. i mean yeah its not profitable, but still, teamliquids whole existence is thanks to brood war
The brood community is rather tiny these days and ICcup is still working well at this point in time. The rule change for fish is unfortunate but as mentioned many times in the thread, we can only respect their decision and personally, I don't believe it was done out of malice.
Teamliquid is our hub. People on iCCup come discuss iCCup things here. It's not iCCup users have no idea what TL is. Or how about another proposal, combine efforts to make one site. Talking about splitting up the community? Then hosting it all on one site, with double the work force.
On April 03 2016 23:57 Endymion wrote: you can also just go on korean omegle and get some rando teenage girl to confirm your account
Only possible if you can speak Korean?
Yea, not like they teach English over there. And it's a shame you can't use the Internet to translate text from one language to another or in reverse, imagine how cool that would be?
1. Not everyone is familiar with omegle. 2. It was a genuine question. 3. Translating tools are notoriously bad even for languages as pervasive as English. They're quite good to get a general idea about the contents of a foreign language since you can easily deduce meaning even from messy and jumbled sentences. But they're still bad at composing a piece of text in a foreign language. 4. Thanks for being so snarky about it though.
For the heck of it, I wrote a message and translated it with google translate. I'm sure any Korean would be able to testify that the text is full of errors.
Recently the admins of a game I love playing have changed their policy essentially preventing me from playing. Now, you have to have a korean phone number to be able to verify your account. Is anyone willing to share their phone number with me so I can link my account to it? A few verification messages will be send to the number, which I will need to verify my account. So if you could forward those to me in a PM for example, I would highly appreciate it.
Thank you!
Translation:
안녕하세요,
최근에 재생 사랑 게임의 관리자는 자신의 정책이 본질적으로 재생 에서 저를 방지 변경되었습니다. 지금, 당신은 계정을 확인 할 수있는 한국의 전화 번호를 가지고 있습니다. 내가 내 계정을 연결할 수 있도록 저와 함께 자신의 전화 번호를 공유 하고자하는 사람 인가? 몇 가지 확인 메시지가 내 계정 을 확인해야합니다 수, 로 전송 됩니다. 당신은 예를 들어 오후 에 나에게 사람들을 전달할 수 있다면 그래서 , 나는 그것을 매우 감사하겠습니다 .
고맙습니다!
I really didn't think the Omegle suggestion was anything more than a joke so I figured you were following suit. Really, unless Omegle has changed significantly since I've last used it/heard about it, you would have to go through thousands of dicks before you get a single Korean teen who is willing to share his or her phone number with you for Brood War. In other words, I didn't think you were asking seriously lol. Sorry for the snarkiness, was under false pretense.
On April 05 2016 15:09 sdjklahsjask wrote: only one left and probemicro you're next on the list after pauline. i have an ESL teacher who gets his cellphone sometime this week.
hope everyone is enjoying. these cost me around 5 dollars a piece but anything to stick it to the xenophobic fish admins is worth it ^_^
Thanks for doing this! Looking forward to getting crushed on Fish >_< I could paypal you $5 or something
On April 03 2016 23:57 Endymion wrote: you can also just go on korean omegle and get some rando teenage girl to confirm your account
Only possible if you can speak Korean?
Yea, not like they teach English over there. And it's a shame you can't use the Internet to translate text from one language to another or in reverse, imagine how cool that would be?
1. Not everyone is familiar with omegle. 2. It was a genuine question. 3. Translating tools are notoriously bad even for languages as pervasive as English. They're quite good to get a general idea about the contents of a foreign language since you can easily deduce meaning even from messy and jumbled sentences. But they're still bad at composing a piece of text in a foreign language. 4. Thanks for being so snarky about it though.
For the heck of it, I wrote a message and translated it with google translate. I'm sure any Korean would be able to testify that the text is full of errors.
Recently the admins of a game I love playing have changed their policy essentially preventing me from playing. Now, you have to have a korean phone number to be able to verify your account. Is anyone willing to share their phone number with me so I can link my account to it? A few verification messages will be send to the number, which I will need to verify my account. So if you could forward those to me in a PM for example, I would highly appreciate it.
Thank you!
Translation:
안녕하세요,
최근에 재생 사랑 게임의 관리자는 자신의 정책이 본질적으로 재생 에서 저를 방지 변경되었습니다. 지금, 당신은 계정을 확인 할 수있는 한국의 전화 번호를 가지고 있습니다. 내가 내 계정을 연결할 수 있도록 저와 함께 자신의 전화 번호를 공유 하고자하는 사람 인가? 몇 가지 확인 메시지가 내 계정 을 확인해야합니다 수, 로 전송 됩니다. 당신은 예를 들어 오후 에 나에게 사람들을 전달할 수 있다면 그래서 , 나는 그것을 매우 감사하겠습니다 .
고맙습니다!
I really didn't think the Omegle suggestion was anything more than a joke so I figured you were following suit. Really, unless Omegle has changed significantly since I've last used it/heard about it, you would have to go through thousands of dicks before you get a single Korean teen who is willing to share his or her phone number with you for Brood War. In other words, I didn't think you were asking seriously lol. Sorry for the snarkiness, was under false pretense.
lol I think I used omegle for 2 days and I really added one korean and one french girl to msn and we ended up chatting for years. That was when omegle was just a couple of months old though and people really used it because they wanted to chat with a random people from different cultures and not because they hope to find one pair of tits between 50 dicks
Also it is fucking hilarious how some of you think this rule change was implemented due to xenophobia.
On April 03 2016 23:57 Endymion wrote: you can also just go on korean omegle and get some rando teenage girl to confirm your account
Only possible if you can speak Korean?
Yea, not like they teach English over there. And it's a shame you can't use the Internet to translate text from one language to another or in reverse, imagine how cool that would be?
1. Not everyone is familiar with omegle. 2. It was a genuine question. 3. Translating tools are notoriously bad even for languages as pervasive as English. They're quite good to get a general idea about the contents of a foreign language since you can easily deduce meaning even from messy and jumbled sentences. But they're still bad at composing a piece of text in a foreign language. 4. Thanks for being so snarky about it though.
For the heck of it, I wrote a message and translated it with google translate. I'm sure any Korean would be able to testify that the text is full of errors.
Recently the admins of a game I love playing have changed their policy essentially preventing me from playing. Now, you have to have a korean phone number to be able to verify your account. Is anyone willing to share their phone number with me so I can link my account to it? A few verification messages will be send to the number, which I will need to verify my account. So if you could forward those to me in a PM for example, I would highly appreciate it.
Thank you!
Translation:
안녕하세요,
최근에 재생 사랑 게임의 관리자는 자신의 정책이 본질적으로 재생 에서 저를 방지 변경되었습니다. 지금, 당신은 계정을 확인 할 수있는 한국의 전화 번호를 가지고 있습니다. 내가 내 계정을 연결할 수 있도록 저와 함께 자신의 전화 번호를 공유 하고자하는 사람 인가? 몇 가지 확인 메시지가 내 계정 을 확인해야합니다 수, 로 전송 됩니다. 당신은 예를 들어 오후 에 나에게 사람들을 전달할 수 있다면 그래서 , 나는 그것을 매우 감사하겠습니다 .
고맙습니다!
I really didn't think the Omegle suggestion was anything more than a joke so I figured you were following suit. Really, unless Omegle has changed significantly since I've last used it/heard about it, you would have to go through thousands of dicks before you get a single Korean teen who is willing to share his or her phone number with you for Brood War. In other words, I didn't think you were asking seriously lol. Sorry for the snarkiness, was under false pretense.
lol I think I used omegle for 2 days and I really added one korean and one french girl to msn and we ended up chatting for years. That was when omegle was just a couple of months old though and people really used it because they wanted to chat with a random people from different cultures and not because they hope to find one pair of tits between 50 dicks
Also it is fucking hilarious how some of you think this rule change was implemented due to xenophobia.
That's when I first used it too, and I had this game where as soon as I connected to someone I'd say RAP BATTLE GO GO and I'd rap battle with people around the world! It was a lot of fun. Got bored one day a year or two later, and was assaulted by dicks and idiots (maybe it was chatroulette, but I hear Omegle has video now and is pretty much the same). It's a shame, anonymity really reveals the darkest sides of humanity on the internet.
It is, and it's kind of sad too. It's a victim complex.
I missed out on the last few responses. Basically Jealous pressured FISH admins into using phone verification because he showed his dick to some Asian chicks via Chatroulette? Finally the true villain reveals himself.
On April 05 2016 11:45 sdjklahsjask wrote: got 3 more accounts on the way later. im just going to name them random stuff unless you guys post what you want
lol jealous has spent this entire thread defending the korean decision to do this bullshit then he messaged me for an account LOL. i am in no way defending this obviously xenophobic decision but i have no problem helping others get around it.
anyways, im sitting on 5 accounts i can give away. just message me for free account. im not sure if you can change name but most of them are just named teamliquid_dude or teamliquid_dude1. i should have more accounts tommorow because many koreans are just getting on the computer right now. just msg!
Can you give me 1 account ?? Thanks I really apprecciate it .
On April 06 2016 03:10 GeckoXp wrote: I missed out on the last few responses. Basically Jealous pressured FISH admins into using phone verification because he showed his dick to some Asian chicks via Chatroulette? Finally the true villain reveals himself.
Experience dictates that doing so would only enamor them and make them my slaves, supplying me with all the accounts I need.
Don't try to shrug off the guilt, I know what you did to Garena you savage.
And that one picture you posted to WinterViewBot in this thread says it all, man. You pushed him, Fish, and this thread over the edge. You're a monster.
On April 05 2016 15:09 sdjklahsjask wrote: only one left and probemicro you're next on the list after pauline. i have an ESL teacher who gets his cellphone sometime this week.
hope everyone is enjoying. these cost me around 5 dollars a piece but anything to stick it to the xenophobic fish admins is worth it ^_^
Thanks for doing this! Looking forward to getting crushed on Fish >_< I could paypal you $5 or something
donate 5 bucks to a charity of your choosing.
i found a korean who is willing to verify accounts but he wants 20 bucks for 3 accounts and he wants the 20 bucks first. he was really rude so i didn't want to give him my money but if you're desperate his name is "ztevo" on the kakao chat app. im sure hes legit but 20 bucks for 3 accounts and being a rude dick isn't cool. the hardest part is finding someone who is korean and speaks english so if u want an account contact him.
also, ive been finding most of my koreans on reddit.com. mostly /r/seoul or some of the ESL subreddits. /r/korea will ban posts asking for verification stuff because they think its illegal or something.
On April 06 2016 07:48 B-royal wrote: So to the people that have succeeded in verifying their accounts (for free), can you point me in the right direction? I don't have any Korean friends.
Share a Korean friend today and receive free praise from me :D
ive gave away like 5 accounts already and verified way more so i think i know what im doing.
you just need to go ask around where koreans who speak english hangout OR foreigners in korea like ESL teachers.
i got a few on /r/seoul on reddit and some buy and sell used korean groups on facebook.
Jealous :D koreans dont wants you, they wants only koreans with korean cell number and you agree with them so why now you wanna fake them and have ladder account there? :D Dont be a hypocrite
its against the fishs rules which you defended, where is your logic?
On April 06 2016 12:49 mca64Launcher_ wrote: Jealous :D koreans dont wants you, they wants only koreans with korean cell number and you agree with them so why now you wanna fake them and have ladder account there? :D Dont be a hypocrite
its against the fishs rules which you defended, where is your logic?
Koreans don't want smurfs. They don't want people possessing more than 1 ladder account per player. They gave some leeway and provided 3 accounts for 1 phone number (maybe 1 for each race? ^^). I don't agree with their decision, I said that their decision sucks for foreigners, and sucks for me by extension. However, I do not view their decision as being xenophobic. The reason why I want a ladder account there is to play ladder. I want to play ladder because that is where the highest level of publicly available play is. By using a Korean number's account, I am not "faking" them in the sense that I am violating their primary objective, which is to have ladder accounts registered to a phone number and not have an unlimited amount of smurfs dominating ladder and melee. By owning 1 account only, I am actually aiding them in this aspect, because the Korean that provided the account I use will have 1 less account to "smurf" on and 1 less account to ladder on. In effect, for one number, they have gotten two active users (at minimum) that are separate and will not "smurf" ladder. There is nothing hypocritical about this. Not once have I stated that I think that their decision is the best solution possible or that I support their decision. I've only stated that they are most likely* NOT being racist in this decision, and that this decision empirically makes sense.
If you can find where in the rules it says that a player cannot share accounts with another player, I will be greatly impressed, because I suspect that your mastery of Korean is even worse than your mastery of English. This is assuming that such a rule exists. If it does, then it would go against many high-ranking players' best interest, which I doubt Fish wants to do in this transitional period.
In other words, you've equated my being against people claiming that this is a racist decision to my accepting this decision wholeheartedly and not playing on Fish anymore. You're wrong. I am still going to play on Fish. I just don't want people to wrongfully paint the people that provide them a server to play on with the brush of racism, when they are most likely concerned about much more than 1% of their active ladder population having a foreign IP and potential lag issues.
Could anyone atleast explain how to activate account? One guy told me that i should call 1541 and then they tell me password and when type like /msg <password> or something like that. So please explain me if any1 knows how to activate.
On April 07 2016 01:50 iFU.pauline wrote: Thanks sdjklahsjask for the account.
np mate. i have like 15+ people waiting for accounts at this point so anyone else wanting one is going to be waiting sorry.
your best bet is to do a bit of work yourself, it's really not that difficult to do this.
Can we get those 15 people to petition Teamliquid to start up a server instead?
Besudes the ridicolous idea that tl somehow responsible for a server. What would it even change? We have a totally acceptible foreign server with icc. The only downside compared to fish is the number of competition at the top foreign level (especially at non peak hours). If the server was tl instead of icc, koreans still wouldnt magically start playing on it. So it wouldnt change a thing.
On April 07 2016 01:50 iFU.pauline wrote: Thanks sdjklahsjask for the account.
np mate. i have like 15+ people waiting for accounts at this point so anyone else wanting one is going to be waiting sorry.
your best bet is to do a bit of work yourself, it's really not that difficult to do this.
Can we get those 15 people to petition Teamliquid to start up a server instead?
Besudes the ridicolous idea that tl somehow responsible for a server. What would it even change? We have a totally acceptible foreign server with icc. The only downside compared to fish is the number of competition at the top foreign level (especially at non peak hours). If the server was tl instead of icc, koreans still wouldnt magically start playing on it. So it wouldnt change a thing.
first sensible post to that subject in a while! Don't get me wrong guys, i'd love to see an active foreign server as much as anyone here, but Keniji pointed out well, what the structural of the foreign scene are atm and why you can't fix it that easy by just creating a TL server.
On April 07 2016 01:50 iFU.pauline wrote: Thanks sdjklahsjask for the account.
np mate. i have like 15+ people waiting for accounts at this point so anyone else wanting one is going to be waiting sorry.
your best bet is to do a bit of work yourself, it's really not that difficult to do this.
Can we get those 15 people to petition Teamliquid to start up a server instead?
Besudes the ridicolous idea that tl somehow responsible for a server. What would it even change? We have a totally acceptible foreign server with icc. The only downside compared to fish is the number of competition at the top foreign level (especially at non peak hours). If the server was tl instead of icc, koreans still wouldnt magically start playing on it. So it wouldnt change a thing.
first sensible post to that subject in a while! Don't get me wrong guys, i'd love to see an active foreign server as much as anyone here, but Keniji pointed out well, what the structural of the foreign scene are atm and why you can't fix it that easy by just creating a TL server.
True.
However, I wonder what the effect would be if foreigners couldn't use fish anymore but instead had to use ICCup. Would we eventually stop playing due to difficulty of getting games at high level, or would it become more easy to get high level games which would eventually inspire more players to come back to brood war and activating the foreign scene.
I'm not sure, and it will be hard to test since foreigners will find a way to get on the fish server.
A normal situation for me would be to first log on ICCup, try to find a game for a while and then turn to Fish if I couldn't find a game. Given that everyone will do something similar, the chances of actually finding games on ICCup diminishes, creating a bad circle. If done the other way around, as in: Only option is ICCup. EIther foreigners would try abit harder and longer, or start smurfing on lower levels. If they try harder and longer, it would be easier to get games over time as more and more people do this.
On April 08 2016 22:56 StylishVODs wrote: EIther foreigners would try abit harder and longer, or start smurfing on lower levels.
That's why Fish got SMS verification... Same will happen with iCCup It is something like for 9 D ranked players there is one who is above. ( http://starcraft.theabyss.ru/?status ) And yes it's so hard to find games early morning on weekdays...
On April 07 2016 01:50 iFU.pauline wrote: Thanks sdjklahsjask for the account.
np mate. i have like 15+ people waiting for accounts at this point so anyone else wanting one is going to be waiting sorry.
your best bet is to do a bit of work yourself, it's really not that difficult to do this.
Can we get those 15 people to petition Teamliquid to start up a server instead?
Besudes the ridicolous idea that tl somehow responsible for a server. What would it even change? We have a totally acceptible foreign server with icc. The only downside compared to fish is the number of competition at the top foreign level (especially at non peak hours). If the server was tl instead of icc, koreans still wouldnt magically start playing on it. So it wouldnt change a thing.
first sensible post to that subject in a while! Don't get me wrong guys, i'd love to see an active foreign server as much as anyone here, but Keniji pointed out well, what the structural of the foreign scene are atm and why you can't fix it that easy by just creating a TL server.
True.
However, I wonder what the effect would be if foreigners couldn't use fish anymore but instead had to use ICCup. Would we eventually stop playing due to difficulty of getting games at high level, or would it become more easy to get high level games which would eventually inspire more players to come back to brood war and activating the foreign scene.
I'm not sure, and it will be hard to test since foreigners will find a way to get on the fish server.
A normal situation for me would be to first log on ICCup, try to find a game for a while and then turn to Fish if I couldn't find a game. Given that everyone will do something similar, the chances of actually finding games on ICCup diminishes, creating a bad circle. If done the other way around, as in: Only option is ICCup. EIther foreigners would try abit harder and longer, or start smurfing on lower levels. If they try harder and longer, it would be easier to get games over time as more and more people do this.
From my perspective the most likely outcome will be just more smurfing and decreased skill over time. I don't want to wait 10min for a game as soon as I hit A- in the current system, so obviously I will just use the next account when that happens. Even if no one would smurf, the skill would still deteriorate because half the time is spent waiting for an opponent. On the other hand on fish the ladder basically starts at the skill level where ICCUP stops, so until you are progamer level you will get games at your level all the time. The best development in regards to games for higher skilled players on ICCUP are the good amount of ICCUP ladder tours which have been happening regularly in recent times.
Is there someone who would like to give me an korean number? I know how it looks but we all want to play Fish so... If there is other possibility then pls point me to that option....
On April 07 2016 01:50 iFU.pauline wrote: Thanks sdjklahsjask for the account.
np mate. i have like 15+ people waiting for accounts at this point so anyone else wanting one is going to be waiting sorry.
your best bet is to do a bit of work yourself, it's really not that difficult to do this.
Can we get those 15 people to petition Teamliquid to start up a server instead?
Besudes the ridicolous idea that tl somehow responsible for a server. What would it even change? We have a totally acceptible foreign server with icc. The only downside compared to fish is the number of competition at the top foreign level (especially at non peak hours). If the server was tl instead of icc, koreans still wouldnt magically start playing on it. So it wouldnt change a thing.
first sensible post to that subject in a while! Don't get me wrong guys, i'd love to see an active foreign server as much as anyone here, but Keniji pointed out well, what the structural of the foreign scene are atm and why you can't fix it that easy by just creating a TL server.
True.
However, I wonder what the effect would be if foreigners couldn't use fish anymore but instead had to use ICCup. Would we eventually stop playing due to difficulty of getting games at high level, or would it become more easy to get high level games which would eventually inspire more players to come back to brood war and activating the foreign scene.
I'm not sure, and it will be hard to test since foreigners will find a way to get on the fish server.
A normal situation for me would be to first log on ICCup, try to find a game for a while and then turn to Fish if I couldn't find a game. Given that everyone will do something similar, the chances of actually finding games on ICCup diminishes, creating a bad circle. If done the other way around, as in: Only option is ICCup. EIther foreigners would try abit harder and longer, or start smurfing on lower levels. If they try harder and longer, it would be easier to get games over time as more and more people do this.
From my perspective the most likely outcome will be just more smurfing and decreased skill over time. I don't want to wait 10min for a game as soon as I hit A- in the current system, so obviously I will just use the next account when that happens. Even if no one would smurf, the skill would still deteriorate because half the time is spent waiting for an opponent. On the other hand on fish the ladder basically starts at the skill level where ICCUP stops, so until you are progamer level you will get games at your level all the time. The best development in regards to games for higher skilled players on ICCUP are the good amount of ICCUP ladder tours which have been happening regularly in recent times.
agreed. In my opinion, it all boils down to the small player base, making it hard for players like you to find suitable opponents in a reasonable time frame. The only way to tackle that problem would be, to bring more good players on the server, which translates to: koreans. With fish being very popular, there are little reasons for Koreans to use ICCup more. In my mind, it is a task for us ( as ICCup Admins) to create incentives for them to do so. (or any other foreign server, as it will struggle with the same issues)
I have been thinking about that for a while now and do have some ideas, but we'll see.
On April 07 2016 01:50 iFU.pauline wrote: Thanks sdjklahsjask for the account.
np mate. i have like 15+ people waiting for accounts at this point so anyone else wanting one is going to be waiting sorry.
your best bet is to do a bit of work yourself, it's really not that difficult to do this.
Can we get those 15 people to petition Teamliquid to start up a server instead?
Besudes the ridicolous idea that tl somehow responsible for a server. What would it even change? We have a totally acceptible foreign server with icc. The only downside compared to fish is the number of competition at the top foreign level (especially at non peak hours). If the server was tl instead of icc, koreans still wouldnt magically start playing on it. So it wouldnt change a thing.
first sensible post to that subject in a while! Don't get me wrong guys, i'd love to see an active foreign server as much as anyone here, but Keniji pointed out well, what the structural of the foreign scene are atm and why you can't fix it that easy by just creating a TL server.
True.
However, I wonder what the effect would be if foreigners couldn't use fish anymore but instead had to use ICCup. Would we eventually stop playing due to difficulty of getting games at high level, or would it become more easy to get high level games which would eventually inspire more players to come back to brood war and activating the foreign scene.
I'm not sure, and it will be hard to test since foreigners will find a way to get on the fish server.
A normal situation for me would be to first log on ICCup, try to find a game for a while and then turn to Fish if I couldn't find a game. Given that everyone will do something similar, the chances of actually finding games on ICCup diminishes, creating a bad circle. If done the other way around, as in: Only option is ICCup. EIther foreigners would try abit harder and longer, or start smurfing on lower levels. If they try harder and longer, it would be easier to get games over time as more and more people do this.
From my perspective the most likely outcome will be just more smurfing and decreased skill over time. I don't want to wait 10min for a game as soon as I hit A- in the current system, so obviously I will just use the next account when that happens. Even if no one would smurf, the skill would still deteriorate because half the time is spent waiting for an opponent. On the other hand on fish the ladder basically starts at the skill level where ICCUP stops, so until you are progamer level you will get games at your level all the time. The best development in regards to games for higher skilled players on ICCUP are the good amount of ICCUP ladder tours which have been happening regularly in recent times.
agreed. In my opinion, it all boils down to the small player base, making it hard for players like you to find suitable opponents in a reasonable time frame. The only way to tackle that problem would be, to bring more good players on the server, which translates to: koreans. With fish being very popular, there are little reasons for Koreans to use ICCup more. In my mind, it is a task for us ( as ICCup Admins) to create incentives for them to do so. (or any other foreign server, as it will struggle with the same issues)
I have been thinking about that for a while now and do have some ideas, but we'll see.
can help with that. You can try to advertise on ygosu sites a lot. Many progamers and korean users still use that site to discuss about starcraft
On April 07 2016 01:50 iFU.pauline wrote: Thanks sdjklahsjask for the account.
np mate. i have like 15+ people waiting for accounts at this point so anyone else wanting one is going to be waiting sorry.
your best bet is to do a bit of work yourself, it's really not that difficult to do this.
Can we get those 15 people to petition Teamliquid to start up a server instead?
Besudes the ridicolous idea that tl somehow responsible for a server. What would it even change? We have a totally acceptible foreign server with icc. The only downside compared to fish is the number of competition at the top foreign level (especially at non peak hours). If the server was tl instead of icc, koreans still wouldnt magically start playing on it. So it wouldnt change a thing.
first sensible post to that subject in a while! Don't get me wrong guys, i'd love to see an active foreign server as much as anyone here, but Keniji pointed out well, what the structural of the foreign scene are atm and why you can't fix it that easy by just creating a TL server.
True.
However, I wonder what the effect would be if foreigners couldn't use fish anymore but instead had to use ICCup. Would we eventually stop playing due to difficulty of getting games at high level, or would it become more easy to get high level games which would eventually inspire more players to come back to brood war and activating the foreign scene.
I'm not sure, and it will be hard to test since foreigners will find a way to get on the fish server.
A normal situation for me would be to first log on ICCup, try to find a game for a while and then turn to Fish if I couldn't find a game. Given that everyone will do something similar, the chances of actually finding games on ICCup diminishes, creating a bad circle. If done the other way around, as in: Only option is ICCup. EIther foreigners would try abit harder and longer, or start smurfing on lower levels. If they try harder and longer, it would be easier to get games over time as more and more people do this.
From my perspective the most likely outcome will be just more smurfing and decreased skill over time. I don't want to wait 10min for a game as soon as I hit A- in the current system, so obviously I will just use the next account when that happens. Even if no one would smurf, the skill would still deteriorate because half the time is spent waiting for an opponent. On the other hand on fish the ladder basically starts at the skill level where ICCUP stops, so until you are progamer level you will get games at your level all the time. The best development in regards to games for higher skilled players on ICCUP are the good amount of ICCUP ladder tours which have been happening regularly in recent times.
agreed. In my opinion, it all boils down to the small player base, making it hard for players like you to find suitable opponents in a reasonable time frame. The only way to tackle that problem would be, to bring more good players on the server, which translates to: koreans. With fish being very popular, there are little reasons for Koreans to use ICCup more. In my mind, it is a task for us ( as ICCup Admins) to create incentives for them to do so. (or any other foreign server, as it will struggle with the same issues)
I have been thinking about that for a while now and do have some ideas, but we'll see.
can help with that. You can try to advertise on ygosu sites a lot. Many progamers and korean users still use that site to discuss about starcraft
Thanks! i will definitely contact you when i have time to put my plan into action :>
So, I'm kinda new to Fish. Does anyone know what this msg means?
I get it both when launching with mc64launcher and wLauncher, and it repeats every 5 seconds if I created the game myself and I get it only once if I join someone elses game.
I dont have korean letters installed so, but I'm guessing some of you might not aswell and still knows what it means hehe
I played some Iccup, and then played some games vs a korean and was very friendly with him. Then after 3-4 games I simply asked for his help and he helped me heh.
I guess you'll have to to something along those lines.
On April 13 2016 04:42 StylishVODs wrote: So, I'm kinda new to Fish. Does anyone know what this msg means?
I get it both when launching with mc64launcher and wLauncher, and it repeats every 5 seconds if I created the game myself and I get it only once if I join someone elses game.
I dont have korean letters installed so, but I'm guessing some of you might not aswell and still knows what it means hehe
wlauncher auto refreshes the lobby, that's what that message is
If anyone can give a fish account ready to play please let me know, at this time I know I have to pay for it, so as long as it's cheap and I can afford it. thanks
On April 25 2016 23:27 StylishVODs wrote: Hey, anyone know why my game freezes like every 15 minutes or so for a few seconds when playing fish?
Playing Iccup I don't have this problem, it's only for fish when using wLauncher.
i have this problem,i thought it was mcalauncher using wlauncher problem,it also happens sometimes my mouse cant click and need to press everykey to be abble to click again ...
Verification you say? Been there, (tried) done that. Koreans seem to be numb, no one answering. Most of them told me why I wanna play there with koreans, why not change server or go play on my playground. This racist shit is fucked up. What the fuck happened to them? I just wanna know why they implemented this. They wanna kill BW?
On May 06 2016 22:36 outscar wrote: Verification you say? Been there, (tried) done that. Koreans seem to be numb, no one answering. Most of them told me why I wanna play there with koreans, why not change server or go play on my playground. This racist shit is fucked up. What the fuck happened to them? I just wanna know why they implemented this. They wanna kill BW?
This is a private server dedicated for Koreans. They implemented this in effort to stop smurfing and ruining the ladder experience for new players. Foreigners were never target customers for Fish to begin with.
On May 06 2016 22:36 outscar wrote: Verification you say? Been there, (tried) done that. Koreans seem to be numb, no one answering. Most of them told me why I wanna play there with koreans, why not change server or go play on my playground. This racist shit is fucked up. What the fuck happened to them? I just wanna know why they implemented this. They wanna kill BW?
This is a private server dedicated for Koreans. They implemented this in effort to stop smurfing and ruining the ladder experience for new players. Foreigners were never target customers for Fish to begin with.
Smurfing kills ladder? C'mon. If you can have at least 3 accounts per number it means you can restart 3 times every ladder from lowest rank. Why high rank players gonna smurf more than that? People defaultly smurf because there are nobody to play. I think making smurf is one of the greatest things in BW. And you can't stop smurf maniacs with just phone verification - they gonna verify ten numbers and access more accounts. This so stupid still.
On May 06 2016 22:36 outscar wrote: Verification you say? Been there, (tried) done that. Koreans seem to be numb, no one answering. Most of them told me why I wanna play there with koreans, why not change server or go play on my playground. This racist shit is fucked up. What the fuck happened to them? I just wanna know why they implemented this. They wanna kill BW?
This is a private server dedicated for Koreans. They implemented this in effort to stop smurfing and ruining the ladder experience for new players. Foreigners were never target customers for Fish to begin with.
They probably did it to raise some money via the numbers they gather. Everything else is just trying to sell this decision, there are other (and easier) ways to get rid of smurfs.
On May 06 2016 22:52 Wrath wrote: This is a private server dedicated for Koreans. They implemented this in effort to stop smurfing and ruining the ladder experience for new players. Foreigners were never target customers for Fish to begin with.
If it was private it would be invite only... Thats how I understand the word private. There will always be smurfers. And phone verification will be always useless... They just wanna stop foreigners from the ladder. Why they dont did it like iCCup with site registration for ladder huh? It is so easy to not let more than 3 registration for IP.
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