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On March 30 2016 12:50 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2016 12:25 fearthequeen wrote:On March 30 2016 09:53 WinterViewbot420 wrote:On March 30 2016 09:46 Trozz wrote:
That's pretty brutal.
Now they get to data mine.
Bling bling, players lose. Koreans are really happy about this. Now anybody can play the ladder and F will be what it's supposed to be, which is the lowest level. People got offended when I said F players could beat top iCCup players. I'm not disrespecting foreigners, I'm stating that it's a problem. In what reality should an F player on one server beat an A or B player on another?On March 30 2016 09:52 evilfatsh1t wrote:
wtf is corner floating Floating your buildings in a hard-to-reach areas of the map so people have to build flying units to kill them I'm going to ignore the semantics about F fish players vs top iccup players and simply ask: Why would a players' rank on iccup or any other server be relevant when they are playing on Fish? What's the problem if F players were actually better than A rank on iccup? Separate servers' ranking systems are independent. While I don't disagree with your main point, please, let's focus on these rule changes. Personally, I think this is pretty big news. Wonder if it'll affect the amount of foreigners who play on fish and if in turn, this will cause some to go back to ICCup.
gahhh practicing on iccup is completely useless though.
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actually it would also cause a new influx of koreans to iccup...now that they can no longer smurf as much accounts as they used to be able to, they will want to look elsewhere for their noob-bashing needs.
the quality of the lower rungs of fish ladder will also drop with many noobs no longer have to contend with multitudes of smurfs and can finally aim for their shiny coveted E rank. E/D rank will mean less than it used to.
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This is really sad for foreigners ): I was just getting on my way to 30 melee wins too ;;
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OMG total lobsters....... I hope that their servers get on fire and burn to ashes! I thought that in South Korea is "democracy"... Call Obama, Fish server needs some freedom!
And now you gonna say that Last is not going to use his family phones to confirm his 100000 smurfs? Maybe they need to do something for accounts registered per IP not phone confirm...
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I'll make an edit on my main post because some of you can't fucking read
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I think we can read. The main reason to go to Fish isn't their melee or UMS scene though, at least not for visitors of this page.
Btw, anyone remembers how ICCup banned an entire city?
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On March 30 2016 14:35 WinterViewbot420 wrote:
I'll make an edit on my main post because some of you can't fucking read
I think you are misunderstanding the complaints as the poster above said.
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Twilio (e.g.) supports sending texts to numbers in hundreds of countries. I don't know what service Fish is using for SMS, but there's no technical reason their phone verification has to be limited to Korean numbers. Supporting different number formats doesn't increase implementation complexity either since you're just feeding the number to a library.
Whether you see this as an effort to exclude foreigners from the ladder or just an unusually intense form of not caring at all about people outside Korea is up to you.
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How often do you have a korean friend who doesn't need the number himself, as in: that doesn't play sc:bw.
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Humm, luckily I have a korean number ^_^
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This is an obvious rule to prevent foreigners from playing on ladder. Anyone who disagrees is naive. As a foreigner, i have already faced so much bigotry on fish as well as many of my foreigner friends. So, this doesn't suprise me. I know this doesn't represent all koreans, as i have many korean friends on fish, but this is still very sad and bigoted. I actually feel more anger than sadness. I do not think i will even atempt to play there anymore unless they change this rule. This is coming from someone who has played several hundred fish games in the past few months..
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On March 30 2016 21:31 SolaR- wrote:
This is an obvious rule to prevent foreigners from playing on ladder. Anyone who disagrees is naive. As a foreigner, i have already faced so much bigotry on fish as well as many of my foreigner friends. So, this doesn't suprise me. I know this doesn't represent all koreans, as i have many korean friends on fish, but this is still very sad and bigoted. I actually feel more anger than sadness. I do not think i will even atempt to play there anymore unless they change this rule. This is coming from someone who has played several hundred fish games in the past few months..
I can't tell if you're serious or not, StarCraft is literally the only top 10 game in Korea that requires absolutely no form of verification whatsoever. Instead of getting an ID service, they went out of their way for foreigners and made an SMS verification system, and even let you tie three accounts to a single number.
On March 30 2016 18:21 gngfn wrote:
Twilio (e.g.) supports sending texts to numbers in hundreds of countries. I don't know what service Fish is using for SMS, but there's no technical reason their phone verification has to be limited to Korean numbers. Supporting different number formats doesn't increase implementation complexity either since you're just feeding the number to a library.
Whether you see this as an effort to exclude foreigners from the ladder or just an unusually intense form of not caring at all about people outside Korea is up to you.
I don't think you understand just how integrated Korea's services are. If the phone number doesn't belong to a legal citizen, it won't work. This has been the case since SMS verification was introduced to South Korea. Every game, every phone number, nearly every service a Korean citizen signs up for has all of this information documented. If the phone number belongs to a random service and not a person, Fish will reject the number. I know this because Fish is using the same system several other private services use. Fish is a non-profit company.
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On March 30 2016 22:04 WinterViewbot420 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2016 21:31 SolaR- wrote:
This is an obvious rule to prevent foreigners from playing on ladder. Anyone who disagrees is naive. As a foreigner, i have already faced so much bigotry on fish as well as many of my foreigner friends. So, this doesn't suprise me. I know this doesn't represent all koreans, as i have many korean friends on fish, but this is still very sad and bigoted. I actually feel more anger than sadness. I do not think i will even atempt to play there anymore unless they change this rule. This is coming from someone who has played several hundred fish games in the past few months.. I can't tell if you're serious or not, StarCraft is literally the only top 10 game in Korea that requires absolutely no form of verification whatsoever. Instead of getting an ID service, they went out of their way for foreigners and made an SMS verification system, and even let you tie three accounts to a single number. Show nested quote +On March 30 2016 18:21 gngfn wrote:
Twilio (e.g.) supports sending texts to numbers in hundreds of countries. I don't know what service Fish is using for SMS, but there's no technical reason their phone verification has to be limited to Korean numbers. Supporting different number formats doesn't increase implementation complexity either since you're just feeding the number to a library.
Whether you see this as an effort to exclude foreigners from the ladder or just an unusually intense form of not caring at all about people outside Korea is up to you. I don't think you understand just how integrated Korea's services are. If the phone number doesn't belong to a legal citizen, it won't work. This has been the case since SMS verification was introduced to South Korea. Every game, every phone number, nearly every service a Korean citizen signs up for has all of this information documented. If the phone number belongs to a random service and not a person, Fish will reject the number. I know this because Fish is using the same system several other private services use. Fish is a non-profit company.
Went out of their way for foreigners? What are you smoking? I can't make an account unless i have a korean phone number that i can obtain the verification code. If you dont have a korean friend willing to share one of his numbers you are fucked.
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On March 30 2016 22:04 WinterViewbot420 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2016 21:31 SolaR- wrote:
This is an obvious rule to prevent foreigners from playing on ladder. Anyone who disagrees is naive. As a foreigner, i have already faced so much bigotry on fish as well as many of my foreigner friends. So, this doesn't suprise me. I know this doesn't represent all koreans, as i have many korean friends on fish, but this is still very sad and bigoted. I actually feel more anger than sadness. I do not think i will even atempt to play there anymore unless they change this rule. This is coming from someone who has played several hundred fish games in the past few months.. I can't tell if you're serious or not, StarCraft is literally the only top 10 game in Korea that requires absolutely no form of verification whatsoever. Instead of getting an ID service, they went out of their way for foreigners and made an SMS verification system, and even let you tie three accounts to a single number. Show nested quote +On March 30 2016 18:21 gngfn wrote:
Twilio (e.g.) supports sending texts to numbers in hundreds of countries. I don't know what service Fish is using for SMS, but there's no technical reason their phone verification has to be limited to Korean numbers. Supporting different number formats doesn't increase implementation complexity either since you're just feeding the number to a library.
Whether you see this as an effort to exclude foreigners from the ladder or just an unusually intense form of not caring at all about people outside Korea is up to you. I don't think you understand just how integrated Korea's services are. If the phone number doesn't belong to a legal citizen, it won't work. This has been the case since SMS verification was introduced to South Korea. Every game, every phone number, nearly every service a Korean citizen signs up for has all of this information documented. If the phone number belongs to a random service and not a person, Fish will reject the number. I know this because Fish is using the same system several other private services use. Fish is a non-profit company.
Okay, maybe my reading comprehension skills have diminished greatly in the last while or so, or maybe I'm just really tired, because I'm not understanding either the announcement (as per your original post) or your logic (or both).
For instance, I see the first and second part of this particular post as contradictory towards one another. How have they gone out of the way for foreigners by implementing this particular Korean-phone-number-only system?
How many "foreigners" have a Korean phone number? It doesn't make any sense. Also, how many do you think have Korean friends, on Fish or otherwise, who reside in Korea, who are willing to give up one verification out of three?
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On March 30 2016 22:15 SolaR- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2016 22:04 WinterViewbot420 wrote:On March 30 2016 21:31 SolaR- wrote:
This is an obvious rule to prevent foreigners from playing on ladder. Anyone who disagrees is naive. As a foreigner, i have already faced so much bigotry on fish as well as many of my foreigner friends. So, this doesn't suprise me. I know this doesn't represent all koreans, as i have many korean friends on fish, but this is still very sad and bigoted. I actually feel more anger than sadness. I do not think i will even atempt to play there anymore unless they change this rule. This is coming from someone who has played several hundred fish games in the past few months.. I can't tell if you're serious or not, StarCraft is literally the only top 10 game in Korea that requires absolutely no form of verification whatsoever. Instead of getting an ID service, they went out of their way for foreigners and made an SMS verification system, and even let you tie three accounts to a single number. On March 30 2016 18:21 gngfn wrote:
Twilio (e.g.) supports sending texts to numbers in hundreds of countries. I don't know what service Fish is using for SMS, but there's no technical reason their phone verification has to be limited to Korean numbers. Supporting different number formats doesn't increase implementation complexity either since you're just feeding the number to a library.
Whether you see this as an effort to exclude foreigners from the ladder or just an unusually intense form of not caring at all about people outside Korea is up to you. I don't think you understand just how integrated Korea's services are. If the phone number doesn't belong to a legal citizen, it won't work. This has been the case since SMS verification was introduced to South Korea. Every game, every phone number, nearly every service a Korean citizen signs up for has all of this information documented. If the phone number belongs to a random service and not a person, Fish will reject the number. I know this because Fish is using the same system several other private services use. Fish is a non-profit company. Went out of their way for foreigners? What are you smoking? I can't make an account unless i have a korean phone number that i can obtain the verification code. If you dont have a korean friend willing to share one of his numbers you are fucked.
This is why I made the edit you people said was useless and that I didn't understand what you're talking about.
You don't need a number for ANYTHING but ladder. Make one account, make ten, make ten thousand, it doesn't fucking matter, but you can only keep up to three accounts in the ladder. Right now it's a disaster and this solves everything.
Would you rather have ID verification? I'm not sure how many Koreans will give you that information lol
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On March 30 2016 22:30 WinterViewbot420 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2016 22:15 SolaR- wrote:On March 30 2016 22:04 WinterViewbot420 wrote:On March 30 2016 21:31 SolaR- wrote:
This is an obvious rule to prevent foreigners from playing on ladder. Anyone who disagrees is naive. As a foreigner, i have already faced so much bigotry on fish as well as many of my foreigner friends. So, this doesn't suprise me. I know this doesn't represent all koreans, as i have many korean friends on fish, but this is still very sad and bigoted. I actually feel more anger than sadness. I do not think i will even atempt to play there anymore unless they change this rule. This is coming from someone who has played several hundred fish games in the past few months.. I can't tell if you're serious or not, StarCraft is literally the only top 10 game in Korea that requires absolutely no form of verification whatsoever. Instead of getting an ID service, they went out of their way for foreigners and made an SMS verification system, and even let you tie three accounts to a single number. On March 30 2016 18:21 gngfn wrote:
Twilio (e.g.) supports sending texts to numbers in hundreds of countries. I don't know what service Fish is using for SMS, but there's no technical reason their phone verification has to be limited to Korean numbers. Supporting different number formats doesn't increase implementation complexity either since you're just feeding the number to a library.
Whether you see this as an effort to exclude foreigners from the ladder or just an unusually intense form of not caring at all about people outside Korea is up to you. I don't think you understand just how integrated Korea's services are. If the phone number doesn't belong to a legal citizen, it won't work. This has been the case since SMS verification was introduced to South Korea. Every game, every phone number, nearly every service a Korean citizen signs up for has all of this information documented. If the phone number belongs to a random service and not a person, Fish will reject the number. I know this because Fish is using the same system several other private services use. Fish is a non-profit company. Went out of their way for foreigners? What are you smoking? I can't make an account unless i have a korean phone number that i can obtain the verification code. If you dont have a korean friend willing to share one of his numbers you are fucked. This is why I made the edit you people said was useless and that I didn't understand what you're talking about. You don't need a number for ANYTHING but ladder. Make one account, make ten, make ten thousand, it doesn't fucking matter, but you can only keep up to three accounts in the ladder. Right now it's a disaster and this solves everything. Would you rather have ID verification? I'm not sure how many Koreans will give you that information lol
Lol. Ladder is the only reason i play fish. I dont care about the other nonsense, seeing as i get banned automatically from most ums or melee games. I play ladder for the quality of players. I don't see how you are saying that we can do everything but ladder should make us feel any better. It is actually quite insulting
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On March 30 2016 08:04 RoomOfMush wrote:
What the actual f*ck? Who does stuff like this? Is it really the medieval ages still?
Do you just have to enter a number or are they actually calling and asking you questions?
It's possible they just want to sell your number to get some extra $$. Given the adware packaged in the installers for Korean launchers, I don't doubt it at all.
If we're very lucky, Blizzard will release a playable version of BW that works on their own servers and you can skip the sketchy malarky.
It would be nice to merge Korea and the rest of the StarCraft community and have some interaction between nations again. But I think the current pool of players has been spoiled by LAN-like latency and may never be able to play SC with the type of lag we used to think was normal / good ten years ago. People who were good at a muta micro online used to just be people who could time their actions to account for the lag. It does make your macro a lot worse when you have to do that though.
I wonder what the number of BW players in Korea vs the number of BW players outside of Korea looks like. A merge may really not be interesting to them, whereas of course for us it would mean a huge increase in competition.
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On March 30 2016 22:30 WinterViewbot420 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2016 22:15 SolaR- wrote:On March 30 2016 22:04 WinterViewbot420 wrote:On March 30 2016 21:31 SolaR- wrote:
This is an obvious rule to prevent foreigners from playing on ladder. Anyone who disagrees is naive. As a foreigner, i have already faced so much bigotry on fish as well as many of my foreigner friends. So, this doesn't suprise me. I know this doesn't represent all koreans, as i have many korean friends on fish, but this is still very sad and bigoted. I actually feel more anger than sadness. I do not think i will even atempt to play there anymore unless they change this rule. This is coming from someone who has played several hundred fish games in the past few months.. I can't tell if you're serious or not, StarCraft is literally the only top 10 game in Korea that requires absolutely no form of verification whatsoever. Instead of getting an ID service, they went out of their way for foreigners and made an SMS verification system, and even let you tie three accounts to a single number. On March 30 2016 18:21 gngfn wrote:
Twilio (e.g.) supports sending texts to numbers in hundreds of countries. I don't know what service Fish is using for SMS, but there's no technical reason their phone verification has to be limited to Korean numbers. Supporting different number formats doesn't increase implementation complexity either since you're just feeding the number to a library.
Whether you see this as an effort to exclude foreigners from the ladder or just an unusually intense form of not caring at all about people outside Korea is up to you. I don't think you understand just how integrated Korea's services are. If the phone number doesn't belong to a legal citizen, it won't work. This has been the case since SMS verification was introduced to South Korea. Every game, every phone number, nearly every service a Korean citizen signs up for has all of this information documented. If the phone number belongs to a random service and not a person, Fish will reject the number. I know this because Fish is using the same system several other private services use. Fish is a non-profit company. Went out of their way for foreigners? What are you smoking? I can't make an account unless i have a korean phone number that i can obtain the verification code. If you dont have a korean friend willing to share one of his numbers you are fucked. This is why I made the edit you people said was useless and that I didn't understand what you're talking about. You don't need a number for ANYTHING but ladder. Make one account, make ten, make ten thousand, it doesn't fucking matter, but you can only keep up to three accounts in the ladder. Right now it's a disaster and this solves everything. Would you rather have ID verification? I'm not sure how many Koreans will give you that information lol
As said before, 99% of foreigners don't give a shit about ANYTHING but the ladder. (as awesome as the fish community might be, we don't speak korean, so we cannot take part except in the ladder)
and for ID verification vs. korean phone number, really doesn't matter to many as neither is an option for them. I even have korean friends were I live, but I am not going to ask them to ask their (extended) family for a confirmation code for a pc game. So unless you have korean friends, living in korea, whom you are comfortable enough with asking for a code for a pc game send to their phone (and giving up their number for it), you are fucked as it stands now.
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Does something like this work?
http://www.onesimcard.com/cell-phone-rates/south-korea/
I am not advertising this service since I only used google to find some site that sold Korean SIM cards. I assume you only activate three accounts and then never pay for the SIM card again.
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