On December 22 2015 06:14 Ty2 wrote: I really don't understand why Rain would want to play Brood War when he was already doing really well in Sc2 and when there's more money to be made. It's hard to imagine he'd go back to Brood war just for the fun of the game. Comparing his career to Effort, Effort was in a slightly different boat where his sc2 career wasn't as successful really. I think Rain recently won a sc2 tournament too?
Lot of sponsored match up, balloons(money), and sponsors like PCMALL.
Example: Shuttle has about 500-1000 viewers. He earns avg of 9k~26k a month. I'm expecting rain to make at least 8k~12k a month since he is really famous among koreans. I mean you have a girl cam making 20k a month with just 100 viewers. I expect rain to have same.
How exactly does this work with so tiny viewer numbers and where do these quotes come from? Is "the 1% " really actively donating and watching, are the sponsor deals a major part or do Koreans just like to donate more than westerners even if their income is average?
Of course even the amounts that get donated on twitch is an amazing story that could have been hard to believe before it became a thing. This seems a couple of levels above even that.
On December 22 2015 06:14 Ty2 wrote: I really don't understand why Rain would want to play Brood War when he was already doing really well in Sc2 and when there's more money to be made. It's hard to imagine he'd go back to Brood war just for the fun of the game. Comparing his career to Effort, Effort was in a slightly different boat where his sc2 career wasn't as successful really. I think Rain recently won a sc2 tournament too?
Lot of sponsored match up, balloons(money), and sponsors like PCMALL.
Example: Shuttle has about 500-1000 viewers. He earns avg of 9k~26k a month. I'm expecting rain to make at least 8k~12k a month since he is really famous among koreans. I mean you have a girl cam making 20k a month with just 100 viewers. I expect rain to have same.
How exactly does this work with so tiny viewer numbers and where do these quotes come from? Is "the 1% " really actively donating and watching, are the sponsor deals a major part or do Koreans just like to donate more than westerners even if their income is average?
Of course even the amounts that get donated on twitch is an amazing story that could have been hard to believe before it became a thing. This seems a couple of levels above even that.
What do you consider "tiny" ? I don't think that they are that low.
Most former pro Korean BW streamers aren't sponsored AFAIK, so that does not apply.
The donations come in the form of "balloons," and the balloon system is really genius. Each balloon is like 5 cents, let's say (I don't know the actual number but I know it's low). Psychologically speaking, a person who pulls up PayPal to donate to a streamer won't do it for like 30 cents. They only will if they are donating a significant amount of money (relatively speaking), probably more than $10. Balloons allow you to make micro donations effortlessly. Bisu is talking too much and you want him to play a game? You are one of 100 people that drop 25. Each one of you only spent a quarter, but Bisu just got $25. Bisu sees your message and replies to you, does a sexy wink? You are kinda obligated to donate like 500 cents to him, while everyone else just gives him 10 cents because they think he's cute. When you donate balloons, your name pops up on the screen with an image that is representative of how many balloons you have donated. It takes up a fair chunk of the chat screen and is quickly recognizable. The streamer sees you donated 1000 balloons? "Oh thank you so much nighcol, I wish you the best in life, thank you." Said by your favorite progamer. I'd drop money for that. This along with the image creates a positive feedback loop, stimulating the reward center in your brain. If you donate less than $20 for an event like AGDQ, they don't even bat an eye.
On December 22 2015 08:36 NarutO wrote: Counter Strike 1.6 Broodwar
in my opinion the only god-tier games to ever exist in eSport. Personally I would love to see Broodwar rise again. Remember its not important how old a game is for eSports, simply if it attracts viewers and sponsors. If companies are willing to invest into Broodwar tournament / the scene overall it might as well grow again ;-)
I really like Starcraft 2 and I love my job but there is really no better feeling than playing Broodwar and being already good at t he game getting matched against a Korean or even a good Korean and he shits all across your face so hard you wonder what the hell just happened. I remember Yellow[ArnC] did 5 pool me on Destination and I completely shut it down and still his 1 HATCH MUTA (WHAT) killed me so hard because his muta control was ridiculous.
Good times.
Don't worry Yarnc was one of the top ZvT players in history, and his muta control even killed Flash. But what was your AKA, and how did you get to play Yarnc?
On December 22 2015 08:36 NarutO wrote: Counter Strike 1.6 Broodwar
in my opinion the only god-tier games to ever exist in eSport. Personally I would love to see Broodwar rise again. Remember its not important how old a game is for eSports, simply if it attracts viewers and sponsors. If companies are willing to invest into Broodwar tournament / the scene overall it might as well grow again ;-)
I really like Starcraft 2 and I love my job but there is really no better feeling than playing Broodwar and being already good at t he game getting matched against a Korean or even a good Korean and he shits all across your face so hard you wonder what the hell just happened. I remember Yellow[ArnC] did 5 pool me on Destination and I completely shut it down and still his 1 HATCH MUTA (WHAT) killed me so hard because his muta control was ridiculous.
Good times.
Don't worry Yarnc was one of the top ZvT players in history, and his muta control even killed Flash. But what was your AKA, and how did you get to play Yarnc?
NaurtO: one of the strongest german terrans right before the beta, Ger-A player.
On December 22 2015 10:08 Jealous wrote: What do you consider "tiny" ? I don't think that they are that low.
Most former pro Korean BW streamers aren't sponsored AFAIK, so that does not apply.
The donations come in the form of "balloons," and the balloon system is really genius. Each balloon is like 5 cents, let's say (I don't know the actual number but I know it's low). Psychologically speaking, a person who pulls up PayPal to donate to a streamer won't do it for like 30 cents. They only will if they are donating a significant amount of money (relatively speaking), probably more than $10. Balloons allow you to make micro donations effortlessly. Bisu is talking too much and you want him to play a game? You are one of 100 people that drop 25. Each one of you only spent a quarter, but Bisu just got $25. Bisu sees your message and replies to you, does a sexy wink? You are kinda obligated to donate like 500 cents to him, while everyone else just gives him 10 cents because they think he's cute. When you donate balloons, your name pops up on the screen with an image that is representative of how many balloons you have donated. It takes up a fair chunk of the chat screen and is quickly recognizable. The streamer sees you donated 1000 balloons? "Oh thank you so much nighcol, I wish you the best in life, thank you." Said by your favorite progamer. I'd drop money for that. This along with the image creates a positive feedback loop, stimulating the reward center in your brain. If you donate less than $20 for an event like AGDQ, they don't even bat an eye.
Well, 500-1000 isn't really tiny but compared to getting 9-26k an month (that's not a very narrow number but even the bottom is a lot) it seems small. 100 concurrents I would really consider tiny though.
Interesting. I can see how it could result in more donations if there are, to borrow the term from amazon, 1-click donations. Lots more if you really get everyone to set up the payment system. Miniscule donations straight from paypal don't work anyway because they like to take their minimum cut and you end up paying instead of receiving. Do people top up first on afreeca or are they billed at the end of the month?
On December 22 2015 10:49 BLinD-RawR wrote: I'm actually surprised, I thought he'd be like MC and stream SC2 since he's had Morse success in it, but hey this is great too
If MC had at least a little success in BW, he would stream BW too. Too bad he only won 1 game in professional BW ever
sure but rain still had considerably more success in SC2 than he did in BW although his BW career was really cut short because of the forced transition and he was a rising star but regardless of all the things I expected him to do, him playing BW wasn't the highest on the list of my expectations of what he'd do, and again I'm not complaining, this makes me quite happy in fact, still he hasn't started streaming yet so I'll wait and see if he fully plans on going through with it.
Are we sure that's Rain? As BR posted, he hit a much higher peak and won a lot more in SCII than in BW when the pro scene ended. Having said that, it's nice to see another protoss in the field and seeing as BW is more popular in Korea, it makes sense for him to stream and play it over SCII. After that, he became a progamer in the first place because he loved BW. Wonder if we'll see him hit rank A soon
On December 22 2015 06:17 amazingxkcd wrote: what if people make more money streaming than being salaried on a sc2 team?
It's funny you bring that up, because there's a post going around the lol community that brings up that the average salary is 21k (I assume its both for lol and sc2) so thats not really improbable.
GRANTED, star players probably make way more, and not every player can stream.
On December 22 2015 11:59 BLinD-RawR wrote: sure but rain still had considerably more success in SC2 than he did in BW although his BW career was really cut short because of the forced transition and he was a rising star but regardless of all the things I expected him to do, him playing BW wasn't the highest on the list of my expectations of what he'd do, and again I'm not complaining, this makes me quite happy in fact, still he hasn't started streaming yet so I'll wait and see if he fully plans on going through with it.
afaik even the biggest streamers in SC2 don't get many viewers and per viewer not many donations. Streaming SC2 over BW makes no sense unless you expect to get no viewers in BW. MC was a complete no name in BW, while Rain is not.
Before the transition, I praised Rain as one of the most exciting candidates to take protoss into the next generation. Gotta love his play back then.
A few notable games from the top of my head: Rain vs Calm, Neo Aztec All I can think back then was "so many stoooorrmmmmsss" Rain vs Stats, Neo Outlier Upset win over one of the best Protoss players then (that I like too) in the biggest stage of Proleague.
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