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RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6204 Posts
December 22 2015 09:27 GMT
#41
On December 22 2015 17:25 endy wrote:
Well I'm not surprised. I remember players being interviewed after the KeSPA switch, saying they enjoyed SC2, and it didn't sound sincere at all.

It can be sincere but they can still like BW more. THat's the game they chose to go pro in in the first place after all.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51433 Posts
December 22 2015 09:38 GMT
#42
Another VOD from YT

Amateur Zerg (HumanCalculator) vs Rain
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
December 22 2015 10:53 GMT
#43
Oooh. Fun!
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-22 11:19:59
December 22 2015 11:18 GMT
#44
On December 22 2015 10:31 miercat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2015 08:36 NarutO wrote:
Counter Strike 1.6
Broodwar

in my opinion the only god-tier games to ever exist in eSport. Personally I would love to see Broodwar rise again. Remember its not important how old a game is for eSports, simply if it attracts viewers and sponsors. If companies are willing to invest into Broodwar tournament / the scene overall it might as well grow again ;-)

I really like Starcraft 2 and I love my job but there is really no better feeling than playing Broodwar and being already good at t he game getting matched against a Korean or even a good Korean and he shits all across your face so hard you wonder what the hell just happened. I remember Yellow[ArnC] did 5 pool me on Destination and I completely shut it down and still his 1 HATCH MUTA (WHAT) killed me so hard because his muta control was ridiculous.

Good times.


Don't worry Yarnc was one of the top ZvT players in history, and his muta control even killed Flash. But what was your AKA, and how did you get to play Yarnc?


Played on iCCup on several accounts -

RickJames
FruitBunker

I believe I hit him when we both were B+ and ofcourse I didnt know it was YarnC but in the end there was always a hunt on smurfs/the Koreans and people checking hotkey patterns etc. So in the end I checked through my match list and f ound out it was YarnC. I also played Julyzerg 3 times and several other Koreans.

Former reply of me vs SKTelecomT1 SEri - practice partner at that time. Zerg is his offrace, still very good zerg -_-

http://www2.ygosu.com/replay/?s_cate=normal&s_race=Z&s_type=ProSemiPro&search=&searcht=&page=37&idx=48675
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kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2037 Posts
December 22 2015 11:34 GMT
#45
Flash will reach A/S rank with a straight series of wins I can image. I mean before he enters B area where most of ex-pros start to show up he'll have enough time to warmup.
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
December 22 2015 12:58 GMT
#46
On December 22 2015 20:34 kogeT wrote:
Flash will reach A/S rank with a straight series of wins I can image. I mean before he enters B area where most of ex-pros start to show up he'll have enough time to warmup.


Normal pros warm up against computer
Flash vs Fish B ranks
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-22 15:07:33
December 22 2015 13:53 GMT
#47
So just watched the vod. Rain looks too good for someone who's supposedly not been playing. Ample is no Sea but he is certainly not a nobody.

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LOL at the end of the amateur VOD. STOOOORM
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50114 Posts
December 22 2015 13:54 GMT
#48
On December 22 2015 22:53 c3rberUs wrote:
So just watched the vod. Rain looks too good for someone who's supposedly not been playing. Ample is no Sea but he is certainly not a nobody.


TvP is supposed to be ample's best matchup
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2037 Posts
December 22 2015 18:49 GMT
#49
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sospa/players/1119

It's not his best match up, although he had some notable wins vs ex-pros.
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
December 23 2015 01:07 GMT
#50
On December 22 2015 10:08 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2015 09:50 nighcol wrote:
On December 22 2015 09:18 Shinokuki wrote:
On December 22 2015 06:14 Ty2 wrote:
I really don't understand why Rain would want to play Brood War when he was already doing really well in Sc2 and when there's more money to be made. It's hard to imagine he'd go back to Brood war just for the fun of the game. Comparing his career to Effort, Effort was in a slightly different boat where his sc2 career wasn't as successful really. I think Rain recently won a sc2 tournament too?


Lot of sponsored match up, balloons(money), and sponsors like PCMALL.


Example: Shuttle has about 500-1000 viewers. He earns avg of 9k~26k a month. I'm expecting rain to make at least 8k~12k a month since he is really famous among koreans. I mean you have a girl cam making 20k a month with just 100 viewers. I expect rain to have same.


How exactly does this work with so tiny viewer numbers and where do these quotes come from? Is "the 1% " really actively donating and watching, are the sponsor deals a major part or do Koreans just like to donate more than westerners even if their income is average?

Of course even the amounts that get donated on twitch is an amazing story that could have been hard to believe before it became a thing. This seems a couple of levels above even that.

What do you consider "tiny" ? I don't think that they are that low.

Most former pro Korean BW streamers aren't sponsored AFAIK, so that does not apply.

The donations come in the form of "balloons," and the balloon system is really genius. Each balloon is like 5 cents, let's say (I don't know the actual number but I know it's low). Psychologically speaking, a person who pulls up PayPal to donate to a streamer won't do it for like 30 cents. They only will if they are donating a significant amount of money (relatively speaking), probably more than $10. Balloons allow you to make micro donations effortlessly. Bisu is talking too much and you want him to play a game? You are one of 100 people that drop 25. Each one of you only spent a quarter, but Bisu just got $25. Bisu sees your message and replies to you, does a sexy wink? You are kinda obligated to donate like 500 cents to him, while everyone else just gives him 10 cents because they think he's cute. When you donate balloons, your name pops up on the screen with an image that is representative of how many balloons you have donated. It takes up a fair chunk of the chat screen and is quickly recognizable. The streamer sees you donated 1000 balloons? "Oh thank you so much nighcol, I wish you the best in life, thank you." Said by your favorite progamer. I'd drop money for that. This along with the image creates a positive feedback loop, stimulating the reward center in your brain. If you donate less than $20 for an event like AGDQ, they don't even bat an eye.

Damn this is way better than twitch system!
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
December 25 2015 03:06 GMT
#51
now B rank 88w 44l
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